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How I feel everyday knowing that the washerwoman never got to meet shen yuan or know her baby boy ended up with someone who loves and cares for him with all their heart the way shen yuan does
gongyi xiao (pure of heart young man who risked his place in the sect by freeing shen yuan from what he assumed was a non-con situation) meets liu mingyan (filthy fujoshi who wrote non-con rpf of shen yuan)
Reverse AU where Airplane and Cucumber are cutesy slice-of-life comic characters (think Chiikawa) and MBJ is there creator who writes to get away from both his troubled home life and responsibilities as heir of a third generation business.
Cucumber is LBH’s Oshi and thinks MBJ peaked with Cucumber and everything after is a disappointment.
Shen jiu is an impossible character or the problems you get when a character whos not supposed to suddenly gets a fandom
so i lurked a bit on twitter and saw some shen yuan vs shen jiu discourse and thought to myself - i don't have time today, i have to work on something that im procrastinating on for weeks...
lets procrastinate some more
anyway shen jiu vs shen yuan is what happens when you make the original goods to prominent in your novel while holding your characters to a weird double standard
and this shouldn't be a problem but judging from the extras that came after the novel it seems to be a problem for MXTX
lets begin (BTW its awhile since i read the novel and i interacted a lot with fanon - i'll try to stay accurate but i cant help my fanon brain
in every isekai where the mc replaces a character at some point the question will be relevant what happened to the OG-character
most stories handle that in three ways:
1) dont worry about it they were scum anyway (we will never speak of this again)
2) the mc is actually the OG character just in a time loop/a reincarnation (so dont worry about it, we will never speak of this again)
3) the OG character is a complicated character, a lingering ghost who will get some closure during the story or agrees with his/her non-existence (sometimes even playing a prominent role during the story)
so imo scum villain tried to be category 1 and somehow slid into category 3. you werent supposed to worry about it because the og was supposed to be scum you see. he didn't deserve his place in the world, he made everyone miserable, he's responsible for Binghes pain, he's lecherous, everything he does turns to ash etc etc.
and than plot and themes happened:
scum villain is supposed to be a story about the fact that noone is irredeemable and even the worst person can become loveble if someone good takes care of them at least on the surface. that is a theme it never managed to keep because everyone from huahua palace except gonji xao was irredeemably evil anyway but you get the sentiment (BTW if you want to read a fanfiction that manages to cash in those themes far better than the og story read tarnished gold from prim the amazing)
But the scum villain got the ~he's more complicated~ treatment. 1) because he's a mystery of the story that needs to be unravelled - he's the example that some things are more complicated than they appear on the surface. 2) because some things of his past needed to be not be true so they wouldnt tarnish shen yuans reputation: shen jiu couldn't be a sex pest so his body was virginal for Binghe, he couldn't be a cold blooded murderer so that Haitang didn't have a leg to stand on,
At the same time you needed to have challenges which couldn't just come from shen jiu.
something not a lot of people talk about is that in a story where the hero doesn't want anything, the antagonist drives the story. LBH was supposed to be a white lotus- a victim of circumstances - so he couldn't do anything. if shen yuan is in shen jius place he won't do anything. but we still need plot to happen- so the murder of liu qingge for example becomes a nearly fatal qi deviation, the system has to force shen yuan to throw binghe in the abyss.
But shen jiu isn't supposed to be a passive character. he's scum, he doesn't care. he will murder you if needed. So why would he stay in qing jing peak. Enter yue qingyuan and his very complicated relationship to shen jiu
before you know it you have a fully formed compelling character who looks very much like a pretty innocent victim that just got slaughtered by the OG Binghe (who it cannot be said enough is a legit bad guy - a rapist, a murderer, a tyrant, a world destroyer, an incel power fantasy - if you wanted to see scum look no further - i say that with love but it is what it is).
Shen jius's resentment isn't laid to rest (he never heard Yue Qingyuans confession and his enemies where never defeated) and he exists now as an unsolved tragedy in you little comedy you have to worry about. after all he got his life stolen by your supposedly good protagonist. leaves a bit of a bad after taste, doesn't it?
so what is an author to do: make the scum scummy again
enter the first extra which is very well written but on a meta level so fucking funny because it bends over backwards to convince us that a) its all shen jius fault that people misunderstood him, he was a cold blooded killer (hello wu yanzi) and he had legit beef with binghe and tried to kill this child out of jealousy multiple times (you see he did give LBH a faulty cultivation manual, not ming fan...)
it made the character even better imo - and not just imo -
people didn't accept the ~the world would be better without him ~ narrative and produced their fanfiction -
and quite honestly it could've ended here
especially because you could've argued at this point that shen yuan and shen jiu were the same person in different incarnations. it would've even made the story stronger as a whole because it would've fit right into to theme of how you grow up shapes what you becomes - shen jiu suffers abuse after abuse -> self hating abuser LBH suffers abuse after abuse -> terrible tyrant. shen jiu grows up as a lazy second son (something he's accused of in the story) -> becomes a pretty decent and nice person who in turn doesn't abuse LBH -> the scum villain self saving system saved the scum villain by putting a version of himself in the story whose decisions wouldn't turn him into a stick
the bing-ge/bing-mei extra wouldn't be a problem anymore. they are the same person. it also solves the problem that bing-mei never met shen yuan in his real body - shen jius body is in fact shen yuans body, - it also would explain why the differences betweeen shen jiu and shen yuan weren't so bad that the peak lords had to act -> - they are the same. you can even have bingjiu and bingyuan as parallel ships because they are in fact the same ship just in different iterations -> don't worry about it.
but instead MXTX spun the block and doubled down on shen yuan not being shen jiu but instead a really good ceo that binghe of course loved while shen jiu was a scummy abuser in all of his lifetimes because he didn't love OG-Binghe who of course is an innocent little bean and may not be judged for any of his actions ever. Shen jiu deserved his life to be taken away by someone better and also he secretly wanted it anyway and now i'm here and think:
so a slave who worked himself up from the dirt, who fought for everything he had, who got abused again and again only to be killed by an entitled heavenly demon who wants access to his body gets his live stolen by a rich ceo with a loving family who got everything he wanted from the start
I see your point OP, however there is something I want to point out. I don't think the main theme of svsss was that "no one is irredeemable" i got the impression it was more like "nothing is what it seems on the surface" and sort of a critique of that base-level assumption and how those assumptions shape our world
SJ/SQQ was a victim of abuse turned spiteful adult who finds platonic comfort with women which is what makes him an abuser who seems like a lecher
YQY isn't a terrible leader he's a man wracked with guilt over past mistakes which is what makes him neglectful
QHT is an ignorant girl turned ignorant woman who turned a blind eye to her brother's wrongdoings which is what makes SQQ a villain to her
OPM is an actual lecher who was in love with SXY which is what makes him act so kindly to LBH
XF/SQH is a man in a shitty living situation with no friends or family who is obsessed with keeping his audience happy which is what makes him turn PIDW into a male power fantasy
LBH himself is a disciple turned demon lord who got mixed signals from his shizun and was being influenced by xin mo which is why when SY/SQQ immediately conflated his actions with LBG, he was blinded by his confirmation bias
Even SY who the audience is immediately given the impression of lazy rich kid who has nothing going on in his life is later told that he’s a freaking CEO. We assumed that about him and the extras proved that wrong.
I don't know MXTX as an author outside of scum villain, but that's the impression I've got of it. Whether or not she intended that, I don't know. If you saw MXTX making SJ out to be worse than he is I won't deny that, I just got a different impression of the main theme.
I do believe that there was some extra (an interview with sqh???) Where it's mentioned that lbg raped a bunch of people. I could be wrong though (<- fanon brain)
I like the analysis of the theme you mentioned and I can see it. But it kinda makes the last extra worse for me because it flattens shen jiu. Like Shen jiu starts out as a fairly complex character (against his characterization as the scum villain) and just becomes scummier and scummier from extra to extra (really he abused lbh in every world - really???)
it is on the luoshen questions extra!! i genuinely didnt remember it ever being mentioned but maybe its because the word was censored for some reason?? it when theyre talking abt consent
Shen jiu is an impossible character or the problems you get when a character whos not supposed to suddenly gets a fandom
so i lurked a bit on twitter and saw some shen yuan vs shen jiu discourse and thought to myself - i don't have time today, i have to work on something that im procrastinating on for weeks...
lets procrastinate some more
anyway shen jiu vs shen yuan is what happens when you make the original goods to prominent in your novel while holding your characters to a weird double standard
and this shouldn't be a problem but judging from the extras that came after the novel it seems to be a problem for MXTX
lets begin (BTW its awhile since i read the novel and i interacted a lot with fanon - i'll try to stay accurate but i cant help my fanon brain
in every isekai where the mc replaces a character at some point the question will be relevant what happened to the OG-character
most stories handle that in three ways:
1) dont worry about it they were scum anyway (we will never speak of this again)
2) the mc is actually the OG character just in a time loop/a reincarnation (so dont worry about it, we will never speak of this again)
3) the OG character is a complicated character, a lingering ghost who will get some closure during the story or agrees with his/her non-existence (sometimes even playing a prominent role during the story)
so imo scum villain tried to be category 1 and somehow slid into category 3. you werent supposed to worry about it because the og was supposed to be scum you see. he didn't deserve his place in the world, he made everyone miserable, he's responsible for Binghes pain, he's lecherous, everything he does turns to ash etc etc.
and than plot and themes happened:
scum villain is supposed to be a story about the fact that noone is irredeemable and even the worst person can become loveble if someone good takes care of them at least on the surface. that is a theme it never managed to keep because everyone from huahua palace except gonji xao was irredeemably evil anyway but you get the sentiment (BTW if you want to read a fanfiction that manages to cash in those themes far better than the og story read tarnished gold from prim the amazing)
But the scum villain got the ~he's more complicated~ treatment. 1) because he's a mystery of the story that needs to be unravelled - he's the example that some things are more complicated than they appear on the surface. 2) because some things of his past needed to be not be true so they wouldnt tarnish shen yuans reputation: shen jiu couldn't be a sex pest so his body was virginal for Binghe, he couldn't be a cold blooded murderer so that Haitang didn't have a leg to stand on,
At the same time you needed to have challenges which couldn't just come from shen jiu.
something not a lot of people talk about is that in a story where the hero doesn't want anything, the antagonist drives the story. LBH was supposed to be a white lotus- a victim of circumstances - so he couldn't do anything. if shen yuan is in shen jius place he won't do anything. but we still need plot to happen- so the murder of liu qingge for example becomes a nearly fatal qi deviation, the system has to force shen yuan to throw binghe in the abyss.
But shen jiu isn't supposed to be a passive character. he's scum, he doesn't care. he will murder you if needed. So why would he stay in qing jing peak. Enter yue qingyuan and his very complicated relationship to shen jiu
before you know it you have a fully formed compelling character who looks very much like a pretty innocent victim that just got slaughtered by the OG Binghe (who it cannot be said enough is a legit bad guy - a rapist, a murderer, a tyrant, a world destroyer, an incel power fantasy - if you wanted to see scum look no further - i say that with love but it is what it is).
Shen jius's resentment isn't laid to rest (he never heard Yue Qingyuans confession and his enemies where never defeated) and he exists now as an unsolved tragedy in you little comedy you have to worry about. after all he got his life stolen by your supposedly good protagonist. leaves a bit of a bad after taste, doesn't it?
so what is an author to do: make the scum scummy again
enter the first extra which is very well written but on a meta level so fucking funny because it bends over backwards to convince us that a) its all shen jius fault that people misunderstood him, he was a cold blooded killer (hello wu yanzi) and he had legit beef with binghe and tried to kill this child out of jealousy multiple times (you see he did give LBH a faulty cultivation manual, not ming fan...)
it made the character even better imo - and not just imo -
people didn't accept the ~the world would be better without him ~ narrative and produced their fanfiction -
and quite honestly it could've ended here
especially because you could've argued at this point that shen yuan and shen jiu were the same person in different incarnations. it would've even made the story stronger as a whole because it would've fit right into to theme of how you grow up shapes what you becomes - shen jiu suffers abuse after abuse -> self hating abuser LBH suffers abuse after abuse -> terrible tyrant. shen jiu grows up as a lazy second son (something he's accused of in the story) -> becomes a pretty decent and nice person who in turn doesn't abuse LBH -> the scum villain self saving system saved the scum villain by putting a version of himself in the story whose decisions wouldn't turn him into a stick
the bing-ge/bing-mei extra wouldn't be a problem anymore. they are the same person. it also solves the problem that bing-mei never met shen yuan in his real body - shen jius body is in fact shen yuans body, - it also would explain why the differences betweeen shen jiu and shen yuan weren't so bad that the peak lords had to act -> - they are the same. you can even have bingjiu and bingyuan as parallel ships because they are in fact the same ship just in different iterations -> don't worry about it.
but instead MXTX spun the block and doubled down on shen yuan not being shen jiu but instead a really good ceo that binghe of course loved while shen jiu was a scummy abuser in all of his lifetimes because he didn't love OG-Binghe who of course is an innocent little bean and may not be judged for any of his actions ever. Shen jiu deserved his life to be taken away by someone better and also he secretly wanted it anyway and now i'm here and think:
so a slave who worked himself up from the dirt, who fought for everything he had, who got abused again and again only to be killed by an entitled heavenly demon who wants access to his body gets his live stolen by a rich ceo with a loving family who got everything he wanted from the start
I see your point OP, however there is something I want to point out. I don't think the main theme of svsss was that "no one is irredeemable" i got the impression it was more like "nothing is what it seems on the surface" and sort of a critique of that base-level assumption and how those assumptions shape our world
SJ/SQQ was a victim of abuse turned spiteful adult who finds platonic comfort with women which is what makes him an abuser who seems like a lecher
YQY isn't a terrible leader he's a man wracked with guilt over past mistakes which is what makes him neglectful
QHT is an ignorant girl turned ignorant woman who turned a blind eye to her brother's wrongdoings which is what makes SQQ a villain to her
OPM is an actual lecher who was in love with SXY which is what makes him act so kindly to LBH
XF/SQH is a man in a shitty living situation with no friends or family who is obsessed with keeping his audience happy which is what makes him turn PIDW into a male power fantasy
LBH himself is a disciple turned demon lord who got mixed signals from his shizun and was being influenced by xin mo which is why when SY/SQQ immediately conflated his actions with LBG, he was blinded by his confirmation bias
Even SY who the audience is immediately given the impression of lazy rich kid who has nothing going on in his life is later told that he’s a freaking CEO. We assumed that about him and the extras proved that wrong.
I don't know MXTX as an author outside of scum villain, but that's the impression I've got of it. Whether or not she intended that, I don't know. If you saw MXTX making SJ out to be worse than he is I won't deny that, I just got a different impression of the main theme.
my miiyingying fell for my mii for some reason and they got together and got married the next day. the other day my mii had the AUDACITY to suggest HAVING A CHILD????? BITCH UR 19 GO FINISH UR STUDIES
maybe its my fault for using twitter but the way sj stans are talking abt sy recently is pissing me off more than normal. erm anyway sj stans u can int but ur on extremely thin ice
is shen yuan lowkey misogynistic? ppl are arguing abt it now that mxtx edited some svsss chapters on jjwxc. It's just a few changes on some of shen yuan's phrasing to make it less offensive. But hopefully that means the transphobic slur also gets edited
In my opinion shen yuan isn't misogynistic, he objectifies the women he meets because he objectifies everyone. He refuses to accept the people around him are "real" so he places the women around him into misogynistic tropes because he's in a misogynistic book.
There are some times when he's weirdly feminist but overall his issue is he'll see a woman and go "that's fanservice" instead of recognizing her as a human being which again is because he doesn't yet accept that ALL the people around him are human beings
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