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I mourn the fact that the knights were almost 24/7 in their armor cause their civilians clothes are so distinct with personality and so cool.
Morgana conquered Camelot twice and declared herself Queen. And what she did after that?
She killed innocent civilians. She burned their crops. She let their children starve. She tortured and killed the Knights. She tortured Gwaine by forcing him to fight for her own amusement. And then she tried to help magic users like her! ah no, she didn’t lol
I mean, i love Morgana because she’s a good villain and Katie is freaking amazing, but DON’T TELL ME she was fighting for freedom and justice 😭 Don’t tell me she was fighting for her people. She didn’t care about them. As someone said in another post “Morgana’s quest was personal vengeance disguised as revolution”. She wanted vengeance and power, she wasn’t doing all this horrible things for revolution and for a change. Mordred KNEW she was bad, but he joined her because at some point he had something to avenge himself.
Just because you sympathize with an antagonist or villain, doesn’t mean they aren’t an antagonist or villain^^“ Morgana had good intentions in season 1 and 2, but after that? Nope!
Preach it!! She may be hot and powerful, and you can love her, but she is a fucking villain from season 3 onward.
There’s a reason that the Catha don’t support her, that several magic users Merlin runs into desperately give him advice to stop her. I mentioned this in a post about whether or not Merlin could’ve saved her from falling: in the beginning, it felt like Morgana wanted the throne out of spite to me.
She was going to kill Uther immediately after learning the truth, even when Morgause told her not to. I’m not sure how she could’ve proved she was his daughter if he was dead. When she’s crowned, Uther’s silence and expression is proof she’s right even if he doesn’t outright admit it.
If Morgana had killed Uther that night, she, Morgause, Merlin, and Gaius would be the only people who knew the truth. Gaius is the court physician; his word is stronger than hers because he was literally there for Arthur’s birth and he had served Uther for decades. If he had a daughter, Gaius would likely know about it in the eyes of the nobles.
Gaius would lie and say it was false. Merlin wouldn’t say anything, and they certainly wouldn’t listen to Morgause, so how would Morgana have claimed her throne? She couldn’t have, lawfully and legitimately, which is a big component of getting the people’s acceptance. They didn’t even accept her rule when she was confirmed to be a Pendragon. She would’ve had to literally destroy all of Camelot and rebuild it her way to actually have her rule ever recognized.
This is all to say that initially I don’t think she even actually cared about the throne. Her motivation is purely revenge.
I think Morgana is a fascinating character, and for the most part I agree with what’s been said here.
However, a caveat: both combined, Morgana’s “reign” lasts what, a month? That’s nowhere near enough time to actually settle as a ruler, especially when she is still trying to sway the people to her side.
Her first attempt, she says it outright that she needs the knights’ alliance, “without that, the people will not yield”. We aren’t exactly given an accurate timespan for that particular invasion, but going just by how it looks, I’d say it lasted maybe a week, possibly two at a stretch.
I think in Morgana’s first coup, she actually did want the throne for more than just revenge. Yes, her motivations were still petty and slightly malicious, an urge to “prove herself” to a father who wouldn’t even acknowledge her in private. (Ironically, Morgana claimed Camelot in exactly the same way that Uther did: by conquering it. Do we think that Uther was fair and kind to the people he’d conquered immediately? Doubtful.) But I do think that she genuinely believed that she would be a fairer ruler than Uther was, that she would free magic and save her people (a lot of that was Morgause’s manipulation, I honestly don’t think Morgana would’ve tried for the throne at all without Morgause’s influence. Dethroned Uther? Yes. Taken Camelot? No.)
Her second attempt was a bit longer, but by then she just didn’t care anymore. I don’t think she was even after revenge that time. She just wanted to hurt Arthur, and taking the one thing he loved the most was a sure-fire way to do it. I also don’t think that Morgana actually wanted to be queen the second time. It was just a means to an end.
All this, though, none of it would’ve happened at all if Merlin hadn’t poisoned Morgana to stop Morgause’s attack. Think about that from her perspective: Merlin knows she has magic. Merlin knows that somehow her magic is protecting her from the sleeping spell. Merlin is Arthur’s manservant, ergo, Merlin must be as equally suspicious and hateful towards magic as Arthur is. Merlin slips poison into her drink and watches as she dies, and he nods. He’s killing her for having magic, that’s the most obvious answer, he thinks she’s controlling the spell so he’s killing her.
And then Morgause just doubles down and confirms all of that. For a year.
Who do you think Morgana would ally with after that?
So yes, Morgana is a villain in her own right by I’d say season 4. But she didn’t start out that way, and she likely thought at first that she was doing the right thing. Either way, she is a fascinating character. So much potential for redemption in the early days if Merlin had just been honest with her. Same goes for Mordred. If Merlin had just trusted his kin…. I digress.
(Anyway I could write wholes theses about this show and how Merlin’s actions impact the other characters, up to and including shifting allegiances, but that’s a rant for another post.)
I’m very late to this probably but I heavily disagree. I made a whole post about why blaming Merlin for Morgana becoming a villain is crazy but to just repeat:
1) Merlin only poisoned Morgana because she was holding the sleeping curse onto Camelot. A fact that she’s 𝑤𝑒𝑙𝑙 aware of. She 𝑘𝑛𝑜𝑤𝑠 Merlin didn’t poison her for having magic. And I’m not saying she doesn’t have a right to feel betrayed she does. But I’m fairly certain it’s cancelled out by the seven other times she tries to kill him afterwards.
2) Morgana didn’t know about Merlin having magic— but what she 𝑑𝑖𝑑 know is that he was a magic sympathizer. Considering he leads her to the druids,offers to distract the Camelot army so she could go away with them like she wanted (at great personal risk btw) and when that fails comes to assure her that he will keep her secret and he doesn’t magic is evil. Lies to Arthur the entire episode where the sleeping curse happens as to not make him suspicious about why Morgana is still awake(before he’s told that she’s behind said sleeping curse). A fact that Morgana is -again- well aware of. That’s why she uses daegal as bait in season 5 because"Merlin has a soft spot for druids".
3) for the love of god, Merlin. Did. Not. Owe. Morgana. His. Secret. What he owed her as his her friend and someone of her kind was 𝐬𝐮𝐩𝐩𝐨𝐫𝐭. And as we’ve established,he went above and beyond in that regard. Merlin did EVERYTHING short of actually telling her he has magic- which is not his responsibility -. And why are you certain that that would have changed Morgana and not just made Merlin a bigger target when she went Darkside? it’s always about how he could’ve benefitted Morgana more and never about how this risky this would be for Merlin.
4) Morgana is pretty firmly a villain by episode 10— and that’s me being generous. When she uses her influence and the anti magic laws(yk.. the one she’s supposed to be fighting to change) to try and get gwen-her best friend who has done nothing wrong - executed because she would become queen. And does nothing when an 𝑎𝑐𝑡𝑢𝑎𝑙 sorcerer shows up to take the blame. If not that,then having a bunch of civilians shot at on her first day as queen because the 𝑘𝑛𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑡𝑠 -not said civilians- wouldn’t bow to her rule.(Using Uther as your example here is so funny if there’s one thing the fandom agrees on is that he fucking sucks i don’t understand what you’re trying to prove).
5) i don’t completely disagree on the Mordred bit. However Merlin wasn’t irrational in his distrust. And there was far more at risk than Arthur’s life. But to make one thing clear, what pushed mordred to Morgana was the fact that 𝐴𝑟𝑡ℎ𝑢𝑟 sentaced Kara to death. I Merlin culpable?sure I’m not going deny that,but it was ultimately Arthur that did it instead of acknowledging that she was right.
Mordred knew full well that Morgana was wrong. That her “mission” was actually power lust and personal vengeance cloaked as righteous fury over the persecution of magic users. He knew that and wanted no part in it until 𝐇𝐞 had something to avenge.
In conclusion I fail to see how Morgana *checks notes* killing a bunch of her civilians, unleashing those ghost thingies (I can’t remember their names) on Camelot-killing even more-, enslaving people at ismere, having Gaius tortured, killing other magic users like alator and finna for no wrong doing aside from them not giving up Merlin and not supporting her. And everything else Merlin’s fault. No he’s not as bad as she is not is it his responsibility what she became that’s fucking stupid.
the way you so completely misunderstood my post is actually almost impressive. anyway, let’s chat, shall we?
“Merlin only poisoned Morgana because she was holding the sleeping curse onto Camelot. A fact that she’s 𝑤𝑒𝑙𝑙 aware of. She 𝑘𝑛𝑜𝑤𝑠 Merlin didn’t poison her for having magic.”
Incorrect for several reasons. Firstly, Morgana didn’t know that she was the anchor of the curse. Or did you forget that Morgause knocked her out before casting that spell? Morgana might have had suspicions, but she didn’t KNOW for certain, and so how could she think that Merlin knew? The ONLY information she had at the time was that Merlin knew about her magic. And it’s not like he stopped to tell her that he was killing her because she was the anchor. Once again: all he did was nod. SHE made the assumption that her magic was protecting her, SHE made the assumption that Merlin was lying to cover for her magic, SHE made the assumption that Merlin was killing her for that reason. You assume malevolence where there is only misunderstanding.
2. “Morgana didn’t know about Merlin having magic— but what she 𝑑𝑖𝑑 know is that he was a magic sympathizer.”
You know who else she “knew” was a magic sympathiser? Gaius. And yet, he did nothing to help her. Why should Morgana trust “magic sympathisers” when not even those closest to her would help her? Gaius practically helped to raise her, and yet when she went to him in fear, he gaslit her and told her that she was delusional. Once again, you’re assuming malevolence. Morgana, especially in the early seasons, was afraid. She could have easily been killed had anyone found her out and told Uther, and she had no reason or proof to believe that any “sympathisers” would actually be on her side. That, coupled with Morgause’s manipulation, is the foundation she started with. Fear, paranoia, isolation, and manipulation.
3. “for the love of god, Merlin. Did. Not. Owe. Morgana. His. Secret. What he owed her as his her friend and someone of her kind was 𝐬𝐮𝐩𝐩𝐨𝐫𝐭.”
I agree.
3. (cont.) “And why are you certain that that would have changed Morgana and not just made Merlin a bigger target when she went Darkside? it’s always about how he could’ve benefitted Morgana more and never about how this risky this would be for Merlin.”
I’m not certain. I think it could have helped, if it had happened very early, before Morgause had time to manipulate her way into Morgana’s confidence. And it would have benefitted Merlin as well, to have someone like him that he could be himself with, someone with whom he could be wholly honest. Because his only other confidants in the series are Gaius, who was obsessed with Uther to almost the same degree that Merlin becomes obsessed with Arthur, and Kilgharrah, who very clearly had his own agenda that did not always align with Merlin’s morality or the prophecy. Merlin has no other magical friends within the series. Every other magic user either hates him or reveres him, but there are absolutely none with whom he is on an equal level with. He and Morgana could have had that. But again, only if it happened very early, and only if it happened before Morgause intervened. (You seem to be ignoring or forgetting that Morgause is a strong influence for Morgana for more than half the series.)
4. “Morgana is pretty firmly a villain by episode 10— and that’s me being generous. When she uses her influence and the anti magic laws(yk.. the one she’s supposed to be fighting to change) to try and get gwen-her best friend who has done nothing wrong - executed because she would become queen.”
“by episode 10” of season 3. And again, it was done under Morgause’s influence. Morgause is the one who encouraged Morgana to get Gwen out of the way. Morgana of season one and two would have never put Gwen in harm’s way. Morgana free of influence would have never hurt Gwen. Again, you are ignoring outside influences here in order to paint Morgana as some born-evil villain.
Morgause is also responsible for the first coup on Camelot - it was her decision to usurp Uther, to put Morgana on the throne, to claim her inheritance as the “rightful heir” as Uther’s daughter. Morgause is responsible in equal part for the atrocities committed in Camelot against the people. Morgana did not take Camelot alone.
5. “i don’t completely disagree on the Mordred bit. However Merlin wasn’t irrational in his distrust. And there was far more at risk than Arthur’s life. But to make one thing clear, what pushed mordred to Morgana was the fact that 𝐴𝑟𝑡ℎ𝑢𝑟 sentaced Kara to death. I Merlin culpable?sure I’m not going deny that,but it was ultimately Arthur that did it instead of acknowledging that she was right.”
This is all true. I actually despise season five for this exact reason. Merlin wasn’t wholly irrational, but to be clear, in my original response I’m talking about early seasons, not the end of the show.
Merlin had good - if somewhat questionable - reason to distrust Mordred. But in distrusting Mordred, Merlin played a role in the fulfilment of the prophecy he was so afraid of. A key theme in this show is that many of the prophecies are self-fulfilling or circular - in trying to avoid them, most of the time, the decisions made lead to the prophecies coming true. For example, Merlin being shown a vision in the Crystal of Neahtid about Morgana killing Uther, and his attempt to stop her leading to her being on her deathbed, which is how she discovers that Uther is her father, which then stokes her hatred for him - which up until that point had been solely focused on magic - and leads to her ultimately killing him by proxy (Agravaine). In his attempt to prevent that prophecy, Merlin’s choices led to it coming true.
The point is, if Merlin had tried to befriend Mordred, instead of trying to kill him (as a child), their story could have been different. Again, very similarly to Morgana, can it guarantee a change? No, of course not. But it could have. That’s the tragedy of Merlin, so many things could have been different, but they weren’t, because it was always going to end that way. The characters were always doomed.
My point with my original post was not to “shift blame” onto Merlin. Nor was it to strip responsibility from Morgana. However, you in your apparent hatred of her character, have chosen to ignore the underlying context and the circumstances surrounding her decisions in order to paint her as someone who has always been and will always be evil. That is a gross misunderstanding of the show, the character, and the narrative itself, not to mention a blatant misunderstanding of my own post, where I made all of this very clear.
Morgana was a villain by the end of the show. But she did not start that way, and she did not become a villain alone.
Merlin does bear responsibility for what happened to her, because ultimately, his betrayal of her, coupled with Morgause’s influence, Uther’s warmongering, Gaius’s gaslighting, and Arthur’s ignorance, is what set her on that path in the first place.
She could have been good. Just as Merlin could have been evil. They share responsibility. And so they share the blame.
See,what I find very interesting I’d you repeatedly mentioning that morgause was “influencing” Morgana as if that means morgause was brainwashing her. Yes morgause was influencing Morgana. And yes all those were still Morgana’s decisions. Morgana wasn’t forced nor manipulated into trying to get Gwen executed. 𝑠ℎ𝑒 chose to do that because she was offended at the idea that a mere servant would take “her” place. Nor is that true for her choosing to shoot at civilians. When did I say that morgause was blameless? She isn’t,both her and Morgana are equally to blame. Morgana isn’t absolved just because morgause was “influencing” her.
I never said that Morgana was born evil nor do I say that this path was inevitable.
Your whole argument is essentially that Morgana became evil because of morgause’s influence and Merlin was a part of what pushed her into that thus he’s culpable in what she became. Which only Serves to again blame Merlin for Morgana’s villainy. These are extenuating circumstances that contributed to Morgana’s descent,prime of her own classism and choices. No Merlin doesn’t share the blame and you aren’t going to be able to convince me of that. Considering he’s one of the few people that tried to help her. All of this is you trying to paint it as if Morgana was 𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐜𝐞𝐝 to become a villain.
If you insist on misinterpreting my argument, there's no point in having one.
Morgana made her own choices. Those choices were INFLUENCED by the people around her. The same can be said for Merlin. He made his own choices, but he was still INFLUENCED by Gaius and Kilgharrah.
The narrative is a TRAGEDY. Things COULD HAVE been different, if different choices were made. If some allegiances happened, if others did not.
Morgana is the way she is because of the people surrounding her. Merlin is the same.
You think I'm saying Merlin could have prevented her turning into a villain. What I'm ACTUALLY saying is that MORGANA could have made different choices if she had a more secure support system in Camelot. But instead, she was dismissed by Arthur, gaslit by Gaius, intimidated by Uther, and betrayed by Merlin. (Just because he had good cause to poison her does not mean it wasn't still a betrayal. They were friends. He tried to kill her. His reasons don't matter, especially when they were never explained TO Morgana.)
Meanwhile, Morgause gave her a connection to her mother, showed her affection, encouraged her power, helped to train her in magic, and saved her life.
Who would YOU side with, in Morgana's position?
YES, Merlin shares blame. So does Arthur, and Gaius, and Uther, and Kilgharrah, and Morgause. Morgana's story is not isolated. You fail to recognise that. You just want Merlin to be innocent.
He isn't. No one is. Because it's a TRAGEDY. That's the whole fucking point.
Morgana conquered Camelot twice and declared herself Queen. And what she did after that?
She killed innocent civilians. She burned their crops. She let their children starve. She tortured and killed the Knights. She tortured Gwaine by forcing him to fight for her own amusement. And then she tried to help magic users like her! ah no, she didn’t lol
I mean, i love Morgana because she’s a good villain and Katie is freaking amazing, but DON’T TELL ME she was fighting for freedom and justice 😭 Don’t tell me she was fighting for her people. She didn’t care about them. As someone said in another post “Morgana’s quest was personal vengeance disguised as revolution”. She wanted vengeance and power, she wasn’t doing all this horrible things for revolution and for a change. Mordred KNEW she was bad, but he joined her because at some point he had something to avenge himself.
Just because you sympathize with an antagonist or villain, doesn’t mean they aren’t an antagonist or villain^^“ Morgana had good intentions in season 1 and 2, but after that? Nope!
Preach it!! She may be hot and powerful, and you can love her, but she is a fucking villain from season 3 onward.
There’s a reason that the Catha don’t support her, that several magic users Merlin runs into desperately give him advice to stop her. I mentioned this in a post about whether or not Merlin could’ve saved her from falling: in the beginning, it felt like Morgana wanted the throne out of spite to me.
She was going to kill Uther immediately after learning the truth, even when Morgause told her not to. I’m not sure how she could’ve proved she was his daughter if he was dead. When she’s crowned, Uther’s silence and expression is proof she’s right even if he doesn’t outright admit it.
If Morgana had killed Uther that night, she, Morgause, Merlin, and Gaius would be the only people who knew the truth. Gaius is the court physician; his word is stronger than hers because he was literally there for Arthur’s birth and he had served Uther for decades. If he had a daughter, Gaius would likely know about it in the eyes of the nobles.
Gaius would lie and say it was false. Merlin wouldn’t say anything, and they certainly wouldn’t listen to Morgause, so how would Morgana have claimed her throne? She couldn’t have, lawfully and legitimately, which is a big component of getting the people’s acceptance. They didn’t even accept her rule when she was confirmed to be a Pendragon. She would’ve had to literally destroy all of Camelot and rebuild it her way to actually have her rule ever recognized.
This is all to say that initially I don’t think she even actually cared about the throne. Her motivation is purely revenge.
I think Morgana is a fascinating character, and for the most part I agree with what’s been said here.
However, a caveat: both combined, Morgana’s “reign” lasts what, a month? That’s nowhere near enough time to actually settle as a ruler, especially when she is still trying to sway the people to her side.
Her first attempt, she says it outright that she needs the knights’ alliance, “without that, the people will not yield”. We aren’t exactly given an accurate timespan for that particular invasion, but going just by how it looks, I’d say it lasted maybe a week, possibly two at a stretch.
I think in Morgana’s first coup, she actually did want the throne for more than just revenge. Yes, her motivations were still petty and slightly malicious, an urge to “prove herself” to a father who wouldn’t even acknowledge her in private. (Ironically, Morgana claimed Camelot in exactly the same way that Uther did: by conquering it. Do we think that Uther was fair and kind to the people he’d conquered immediately? Doubtful.) But I do think that she genuinely believed that she would be a fairer ruler than Uther was, that she would free magic and save her people (a lot of that was Morgause’s manipulation, I honestly don’t think Morgana would’ve tried for the throne at all without Morgause’s influence. Dethroned Uther? Yes. Taken Camelot? No.)
Her second attempt was a bit longer, but by then she just didn’t care anymore. I don’t think she was even after revenge that time. She just wanted to hurt Arthur, and taking the one thing he loved the most was a sure-fire way to do it. I also don’t think that Morgana actually wanted to be queen the second time. It was just a means to an end.
All this, though, none of it would’ve happened at all if Merlin hadn’t poisoned Morgana to stop Morgause’s attack. Think about that from her perspective: Merlin knows she has magic. Merlin knows that somehow her magic is protecting her from the sleeping spell. Merlin is Arthur’s manservant, ergo, Merlin must be as equally suspicious and hateful towards magic as Arthur is. Merlin slips poison into her drink and watches as she dies, and he nods. He’s killing her for having magic, that’s the most obvious answer, he thinks she’s controlling the spell so he’s killing her.
And then Morgause just doubles down and confirms all of that. For a year.
Who do you think Morgana would ally with after that?
So yes, Morgana is a villain in her own right by I’d say season 4. But she didn’t start out that way, and she likely thought at first that she was doing the right thing. Either way, she is a fascinating character. So much potential for redemption in the early days if Merlin had just been honest with her. Same goes for Mordred. If Merlin had just trusted his kin…. I digress.
(Anyway I could write wholes theses about this show and how Merlin’s actions impact the other characters, up to and including shifting allegiances, but that’s a rant for another post.)
I’m very late to this probably but I heavily disagree. I made a whole post about why blaming Merlin for Morgana becoming a villain is crazy but to just repeat:
1) Merlin only poisoned Morgana because she was holding the sleeping curse onto Camelot. A fact that she’s 𝑤𝑒𝑙𝑙 aware of. She 𝑘𝑛𝑜𝑤𝑠 Merlin didn’t poison her for having magic. And I’m not saying she doesn’t have a right to feel betrayed she does. But I’m fairly certain it’s cancelled out by the seven other times she tries to kill him afterwards.
2) Morgana didn’t know about Merlin having magic— but what she 𝑑𝑖𝑑 know is that he was a magic sympathizer. Considering he leads her to the druids,offers to distract the Camelot army so she could go away with them like she wanted (at great personal risk btw) and when that fails comes to assure her that he will keep her secret and he doesn’t magic is evil. Lies to Arthur the entire episode where the sleeping curse happens as to not make him suspicious about why Morgana is still awake(before he’s told that she’s behind said sleeping curse). A fact that Morgana is -again- well aware of. That’s why she uses daegal as bait in season 5 because"Merlin has a soft spot for druids".
3) for the love of god, Merlin. Did. Not. Owe. Morgana. His. Secret. What he owed her as his her friend and someone of her kind was 𝐬𝐮𝐩𝐩𝐨𝐫𝐭. And as we’ve established,he went above and beyond in that regard. Merlin did EVERYTHING short of actually telling her he has magic- which is not his responsibility -. And why are you certain that that would have changed Morgana and not just made Merlin a bigger target when she went Darkside? it’s always about how he could’ve benefitted Morgana more and never about how this risky this would be for Merlin.
4) Morgana is pretty firmly a villain by episode 10— and that’s me being generous. When she uses her influence and the anti magic laws(yk.. the one she’s supposed to be fighting to change) to try and get gwen-her best friend who has done nothing wrong - executed because she would become queen. And does nothing when an 𝑎𝑐𝑡𝑢𝑎𝑙 sorcerer shows up to take the blame. If not that,then having a bunch of civilians shot at on her first day as queen because the 𝑘𝑛𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑡𝑠 -not said civilians- wouldn’t bow to her rule.(Using Uther as your example here is so funny if there’s one thing the fandom agrees on is that he fucking sucks i don’t understand what you’re trying to prove).
5) i don’t completely disagree on the Mordred bit. However Merlin wasn’t irrational in his distrust. And there was far more at risk than Arthur’s life. But to make one thing clear, what pushed mordred to Morgana was the fact that 𝐴𝑟𝑡ℎ𝑢𝑟 sentaced Kara to death. I Merlin culpable?sure I’m not going deny that,but it was ultimately Arthur that did it instead of acknowledging that she was right.
Mordred knew full well that Morgana was wrong. That her “mission” was actually power lust and personal vengeance cloaked as righteous fury over the persecution of magic users. He knew that and wanted no part in it until 𝐇𝐞 had something to avenge.
In conclusion I fail to see how Morgana *checks notes* killing a bunch of her civilians, unleashing those ghost thingies (I can’t remember their names) on Camelot-killing even more-, enslaving people at ismere, having Gaius tortured, killing other magic users like alator and finna for no wrong doing aside from them not giving up Merlin and not supporting her. And everything else Merlin’s fault. No he’s not as bad as she is not is it his responsibility what she became that’s fucking stupid.
the way you so completely misunderstood my post is actually almost impressive. anyway, let's chat, shall we?
"Merlin only poisoned Morgana because she was holding the sleeping curse onto Camelot. A fact that she's 𝑤𝑒𝑙𝑙 aware of. She 𝑘𝑛𝑜𝑤𝑠 Merlin didn't poison her for having magic."
Incorrect for several reasons. Firstly, Morgana didn't know that she was the anchor of the curse. Or did you forget that Morgause knocked her out before casting that spell? Morgana might have had suspicions, but she didn't KNOW for certain, and so how could she think that Merlin knew? The ONLY information she had at the time was that Merlin knew about her magic. And it's not like he stopped to tell her that he was killing her because she was the anchor. Once again: all he did was nod. SHE made the assumption that her magic was protecting her, SHE made the assumption that Merlin was lying to cover for her magic, SHE made the assumption that Merlin was killing her for that reason. You assume malevolence where there is only misunderstanding.
2. "Morgana didn't know about Merlin having magic— but what she 𝑑𝑖𝑑 know is that he was a magic sympathizer."
You know who else she "knew" was a magic sympathiser? Gaius. And yet, he did nothing to help her. Why should Morgana trust "magic sympathisers" when not even those closest to her would help her? Gaius practically helped to raise her, and yet when she went to him in fear, he gaslit her and told her that she was delusional. Once again, you're assuming malevolence. Morgana, especially in the early seasons, was afraid. She could have easily been killed had anyone found her out and told Uther, and she had no reason or proof to believe that any "sympathisers" would actually be on her side. That, coupled with Morgause's manipulation, is the foundation she started with. Fear, paranoia, isolation, and manipulation.
3. "for the love of god, Merlin. Did. Not. Owe. Morgana. His. Secret. What he owed her as his her friend and someone of her kind was 𝐬𝐮𝐩𝐩𝐨𝐫𝐭."
I agree.
3. (cont.) "And why are you certain that that would have changed Morgana and not just made Merlin a bigger target when she went Darkside? it's always about how he could've benefitted Morgana more and never about how this risky this would be for Merlin."
I'm not certain. I think it could have helped, if it had happened very early, before Morgause had time to manipulate her way into Morgana's confidence. And it would have benefitted Merlin as well, to have someone like him that he could be himself with, someone with whom he could be wholly honest. Because his only other confidants in the series are Gaius, who was obsessed with Uther to almost the same degree that Merlin becomes obsessed with Arthur, and Kilgharrah, who very clearly had his own agenda that did not always align with Merlin's morality or the prophecy. Merlin has no other magical friends within the series. Every other magic user either hates him or reveres him, but there are absolutely none with whom he is on an equal level with. He and Morgana could have had that. But again, only if it happened very early, and only if it happened before Morgause intervened. (You seem to be ignoring or forgetting that Morgause is a strong influence for Morgana for more than half the series.)
4. "Morgana is pretty firmly a villain by episode 10— and that's me being generous. When she uses her influence and the anti magic laws(yk.. the one she's supposed to be fighting to change) to try and get gwen-her best friend who has done nothing wrong - executed because she would become queen."
"by episode 10" of season 3. And again, it was done under Morgause's influence. Morgause is the one who encouraged Morgana to get Gwen out of the way. Morgana of season one and two would have never put Gwen in harm's way. Morgana free of influence would have never hurt Gwen. Again, you are ignoring outside influences here in order to paint Morgana as some born-evil villain.
Morgause is also responsible for the first coup on Camelot - it was her decision to usurp Uther, to put Morgana on the throne, to claim her inheritance as the "rightful heir" as Uther's daughter. Morgause is responsible in equal part for the atrocities committed in Camelot against the people. Morgana did not take Camelot alone.
5. "i don't completely disagree on the Mordred bit. However Merlin wasn't irrational in his distrust. And there was far more at risk than Arthur's life. But to make one thing clear, what pushed mordred to Morgana was the fact that 𝐴𝑟𝑡ℎ𝑢𝑟 sentaced Kara to death. I Merlin culpable?sure I'm not going deny that,but it was ultimately Arthur that did it instead of acknowledging that she was right."
This is all true. I actually despise season five for this exact reason. Merlin wasn't wholly irrational, but to be clear, in my original response I'm talking about early seasons, not the end of the show.
Merlin had good - if somewhat questionable - reason to distrust Mordred. But in distrusting Mordred, Merlin played a role in the fulfilment of the prophecy he was so afraid of. A key theme in this show is that many of the prophecies are self-fulfilling or circular - in trying to avoid them, most of the time, the decisions made lead to the prophecies coming true. For example, Merlin being shown a vision in the Crystal of Neahtid about Morgana killing Uther, and his attempt to stop her leading to her being on her deathbed, which is how she discovers that Uther is her father, which then stokes her hatred for him - which up until that point had been solely focused on magic - and leads to her ultimately killing him by proxy (Agravaine). In his attempt to prevent that prophecy, Merlin's choices led to it coming true.
The point is, if Merlin had tried to befriend Mordred, instead of trying to kill him (as a child), their story could have been different. Again, very similarly to Morgana, can it guarantee a change? No, of course not. But it could have. That's the tragedy of Merlin, so many things could have been different, but they weren't, because it was always going to end that way. The characters were always doomed.
My point with my original post was not to "shift blame" onto Merlin. Nor was it to strip responsibility from Morgana. However, you in your apparent hatred of her character, have chosen to ignore the underlying context and the circumstances surrounding her decisions in order to paint her as someone who has always been and will always be evil. That is a gross misunderstanding of the show, the character, and the narrative itself, not to mention a blatant misunderstanding of my own post, where I made all of this very clear.
Morgana was a villain by the end of the show. But she did not start that way, and she did not become a villain alone.
Merlin does bear responsibility for what happened to her, because ultimately, his betrayal of her, coupled with Morgause's influence, Uther's warmongering, Gaius's gaslighting, and Arthur's ignorance, is what set her on that path in the first place.
She could have been good. Just as Merlin could have been evil. They share responsibility. And so they share the blame.
Katie McGrath as Morgana Pendragon
MERLIN (2008) | 3.12 - The Coming of Arthur: Part One
I always forget there are maga people on tumblr, this doesn’t feel like a website you’d find them on, so to keep them away:
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as much as i like fic scenarios where gwaine flirts very blatantly and straighforwardly with merlin i think these 2 people would realistically find rituals far more intricate and sinister than that. yall i know we agree merlins got walls around him but we should talk more about gwaine, like i swear everyone underestimates that mans repression and avoidance. merwaine is about subtext. about saying one thing and meaning something else, or about not saying anything at all and the unsaid hanging in the air between them and making every interaction charged and never finding its way out into the open. far too many of you fail to grasp the inherent pathos of merwaine
I wonder for how long it stung Arthur when Morgana betrayed them all and Camelot. Did he ever lay awake at night thinking about it? Did he wonder at which point the sweet, feisty girl he grew up with became the treacherous woman he's fighting now? Did he cry? For how long did the thought of her sting?
Imagine having someone who grew up with you, kept you company in the lonely halls of your title and position. Maybe not always on equal ground, but still suffering the same as you. Imagine that person being someone you always argued with, but still being someone who protected you, who despaired at the thought of you hurt. And then that person becoming the one doing the hurting. All without you knowing precisely why.
I wonder if, had Arthur lived after Morgana died, he would've eventually found the will to forgive her.
I mean... canon kinda gives us this answer.
The show's timeline runs approximately ten years (~1 year per season, ~1 year gap between seasons until the season 4-5 hiatus, which is three years). Arthur discovers Morgana's betrayal at the end of season 3, and yet, when they face each other in season 5, we see that Arthur still hasn't stopped mourning her, wondering what went wrong, etc.
That's about 5-6 years in canon, and Arthur isn't even close to reaching closure by the time he and Morgana both die. He mourns her the entire time, even as he's trying to protect his kingdom from her.
I don't think he ever would have gotten past it. I also don't think he ever could have forgiven her, not unless she gave up her revenge/hatred. I think he would've hated himself all the more for that, because what kind of a man can't forgive his own sister? That's not how he was raised. But Morgana cost him so much, and took so much from him, and betrayed him and their father, and I don't think he could've forgiven that, in the end.
I think he never stopped loving her, missing her, mourning her, but forgiveness was out of reach.
They give me the sillys, I’m gonna combust.
I think this is the last post of them for a while. I finally got them out of my system, though I still have some ideas I want to finish someday.^^
It's always struck me as odd when people talk about Arthur's death as some sort of narrative betrayal, when growing up watching the show I was always certain that Arthur dying was where it was going to end. Maybe it's because the show was originally intended for a British audience who presumably where going into the viewing with at least a cursory knowledge of Arthurian legend, but as someone who was a part of that audience it was always my interpretation that the show would end with Arthur dying, because if Arthur doesn't die then it's defeating the point of the Arthurian tale. Arthur always has to die, because otherwise he can never rise again, and the rising again is the crux of the myth. The return to Albion in its time of need.
For me, that knowledge was always a part of what made Merlin such a compelling story. From episode one, we know that this will end in tragedy. From the moment we are introduced to Morgana, we know that she will become a villain. From the moment we meet Mordred, we know that he is destined to kill Arthur. From the moment we meet Merlin, we know that whatever happens, he will end up alone. The entire story is haunted by this looming sense of inevitability, because the audience knows.
I've always thought that the most compelling tragedies are the ones where we know the ending and therefore know we can't prevent it. It's very Romeo and Juliet, in a way, and it's a huge part of why I love the show so much.
The thing that kills me about Merlin and Morgana's whole situation is that Merlin keeps trying to do the "fuck destiny, I'm gonna go help my friend" thing, and yet he can't. He insists on taking Morgana to the druids despite Gaius and Kilgharrah's advice, he protects Mordred from Uther's men even though he's been told that it will lead to Arthur's death, etc. He's willing to go against the prophecies to help people he cares about, and yet he still can't ignore those prophecies. He saves Mordred's life, but still treats the kid like a ticking time bomb every time he sees him. He's more honest with Morgana than Gaius is, but while he validates her feelings about her own magic he still refuses to tell her about his. While Merlin hopes that he can change things, he can't stop seeing Morgana and Mordred as potential threats who must be guarded against.
In "The Tears of Uther Pendragon," Merlin does the classic appeal to friendship when he faces Morgana, and begs her to trust him that overtaking Camelot is not the right way to get what she wants. He's asking her to make a huge leap of faith and to believe in their friendship (after he literally poisoned her) more than she believes in her sister's advice, but he doesn't believe in that friendship enough to admit to her that he's got magic too and explain why he thinks it's best for magic-users to wait for Arthur to assume the throne. And yeah he may have made the right call in that moment (revealing his magic might have persuaded Morgana to betray Morgause and return to Camelot, but it might also have just given her more resources with which to destroy him), but the point is that Merlin refuses to risk it. He wants to believe that his friend can still be reached, but he isn't willing to actually put anything on the line while trying to reach her (just in case the Dragon was right).
I dunno, it just adds to the tragedy of the situation that Merlin could have either fully unburdened himself to Morgana at the beginning and perhaps changed fate into something kinder, or he could have killed her and Mordred and thus eliminated the threat to Arthur's rule before it developed; but instead he played it safe until it was too late. He wants to challenge destiny for the sake of his friends, but he can't commit to it enough to make any difference because on some level he's still afraid that Morgana will turn out evil no matter what he does.
no I'm still not over this. "merlin, you are not a sorcerer... I would know," is literally the craziest thing arthur could have said in that situation. he's seeing a crying, visibly distressed merlin like this for the first time since he met him ten years ago, and nothing that merlin is saying seems to make any sense. so even though this earnestly miserable merlin is new to him (already proving that arthur does not know him as well as he thought), arthur tries to use logic of all things – a flawed logic that he knows merlin better than merlin knows himself – to calm him. merlin cannot be a sorcerer because arthur knows he isn't. don't worry merlin, don't be silly merlin, I would obviously know if that were the case, so everything is fine, you don't need to be upset! I would know. check and mate. outwitted you! back to the way things were before
@merthurmicrofic prompt: shadow (123 words)
Merthur Microfic Bingo: POV: third person / future tense
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the merlin cat returns
there is not enough cheeky and forward lancelot in fics. he would tease the absolute hell out of merlin alongside doting on him you can't convince me otherwise