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[crunchystufff]

Nah cause fr fr.

If you subscribed to say 8 patreons.

Im not gonna say names but give a example off their highest usually most exclusive tiers:

$30

$25

$15

$10

$8

$5

$3

$1

Your paying all of that per month correct?

Added up thats: $97 in total. So if your paying $97 every month thats $1,164 a year.

In comparison the sims 4 most expensive pack is about $40-$50(USD)And they a expansion pack every single year followed by a stuff pack($10)and a game($20) pack a couple of months after within that year.

In total thats $80 a year.

So your paying MORE for custom content than you are for the game as a individual person.

Indont even pay that much for my netflix and hulu subscription a year

And yall keep saying “EA is money hungry”

Yep they are. Definitely agree.

But as a individual consumer, your paying WAY more a YEAR for custom content. Not to count alot of these creators are inconsistent. They could EASILY pause your monthly payments if they know they arent gonna create that month or refund you. Because they advertise it as monthly creations.

Especially for content that is more than likely conversions from imvu, secondlife, turbosquid, 3dsky and more.(Dont believe me? Go look on those websites, bet you’ll find alot of stuff)Also Content that isnt even worth how much its cost. Im talking about simple recolors of other cc, flat plane hairs, bad textures, bad meshes, and bad attitudes.

Should creators make money off their content? Yes. Absolutely should, those who work hard on their stuff and the quality SHOWS it. And they actually made their stuff from scratch at that.

I am also a creator, not a good one outside of my skins, and thats why outside of my poses and the skins I make for commissions(Still on break), I dont charge for my cc. Im not going to make people pay for something I feel is bad quality.

The quickest way to end this debate is to do the following:

Early access tier AND a exclusive tier. You still get to make money, everyone has a chance of getting your content, and you are within EAs TOS when it comes to paywalls.

All in all:

Nobody asked you to make cc. You CHOOSE to.

If you want a career in 3d meshing, rendering and etc: Secondlife is an amazing option, there are also 3d modeling platforms where you can make meshes and upload them and still have liscense and rights to your own content.

Why not go there? Why not take your talents to them? Or is the reason because your stuff wouldnt be accepted on those platforms due to the many issues and quality stuff created has? Or maybe because the stuff is stolen in some cases?????

[miriah01]

100% CORRECT ON EVERY F*CKIN WORD AND POINT!!!!!!! 

[miriah01]

Just a bit of an observation ...

Ever since DWP closed creators are getting pretty petty about “their creations” that all come from EA to start with.  Just going to say this again in case anyone didn’t see it before .... IF EA ISN’T GIVING YOU A CHECK AT LEAST EVERY 2 WEEKS YOU DO NOT WORK FOR THE SIMS.  YOU TURNED A HOBBY INTO WHAT YOU THINK IS A REAL 40 HRS A WEEK JOB.  DAMN YOU ALL ARE SOME GREEDY ASS SHIT.  GETTING YOUR MONEY FROM A COMMUNITY THAT HAS MANY YOUNG PLAYERS.  GO GET A REAL JOB AND STOP MILKING THE SIMS COMMUNITY!!!

[joygucci-deactivated20160123]

Reblog if you're black tumblr.

You don’t have to be black, it just means you support us, you stand by us and your for us.

[miriah01]

Just In : I Hope African Americans Watch This!!!!!!

[miriah01]

What happened to the reddit? :/

DWP doesn’t exist anymore so there was no need for the subreddit to exist either.  The booty has a forum that you are more than welcome to post at.  http://phorum.mustnotbenamed.com/index.php

[miriah01]

Cc creators still releasing patreon only content and not releasing it after the 2-3 week period during this pandemic are fucking evil and deserve to stub their toes a thousand times.

That is probably the nicest mean thing I have ever heard that patreon creators should have happen to them lol.  Well done

[miriah01]

Tell your groupies to stop being rude to anyone who is just trying to revive the site. Saying there’s not enough COVID in the world for stupid people?? Are you serious? PEOPLE ARE DYING. So fucking insensitive and uncalled.

My groupies?  Oh yeah I have 100% control over the actions and comments that others state online.  So your anon comment to me is uncalled for.  If you don’t have the guts to say it out from behind an anon nick then keep it to yourself.  Also quit being rude to me for the actions of others.  

[miriah01]

DWP is NOT associated with them!

I want everyone to know that DWP is gone. It will not come back.  The new site that is trying to claim they are a Revival of DWP are people we do not know nor do we want to be associated with them or their site.    Anything on that site was not given to them by myself or any other person that was from the Original DWP website.   If anyone has any issue with what is posted to their website please take it up with them and only them.   

[toskasims-cc-deactivated2020032]

I have no idea who sent you that anon statement about DWP but it is not true! Your files will never be leaked on DWP website, in fact you are on our support page of creators that we say should be supported. I am so sorry for what happened to you and if i had known about the all that has happened sooner I would have been here letting everyone know that we do not condone what happened to you and are behind you 100%

Thank you Miriah. I know it wasn’t DWP. That anon is just trying to start something. It was people in the rebels discord, and supported by the mods. I’ve decided, at least for now, to leave.

So this is something I think your side (your associates) should consider. When the other side doesn’t follow the rules, then why should creators? We’ll be leaked regardless. Everyone needs to follow the same rules. Again, I understand it wasn’t DWP but it is a group you’re connected to.

I spoke to another creator a little bit ago. She followed EA’s rules and was leaked. She, like me, was upset so she locked her cc up. Agree with it or not but she didn’t want those getting one over on her. Every creator works hard and doesn’t want to be disrespected.

I appreciate you making your stance clear and again, it wasn’t DWP.

[miriah01]

Not anymore we aren’t.  The link to their discord and our association with them has stopped.  If they want to do that to you when they know that we don’t post files from creators that follow the EA guidelines.

As for creators coming to reddit to speak with me, that hasn’t happened.  No one but trouble makers have come and they only complain about files being leaked period.  Creators know they can email us at anytime and we will work with them.  CandySims, Astya94, Utopia Mordor, AHarris00, Enrique, Serenity & Natalia-Auditor have all emailed us and we have agreed to stop posting or not post their files on DWP.

So any creator can come to us, but the ones that don’t want to stop using adfly and other pay links are the ones getting mad because we won’t stop posting their CC.  No matter how you feel about DWP we will stand behind you.  What happened was wrong & we are all disgusted with how you were treated.  I am sorry, you did not deserve to be treated that way.

[toskasims-cc-deactivated2020032]

Thanks for taking down our discord you dumb bitch. From now on we're gonna leak every cc you ever put out. Love from DWP

I didn’t but I’m glad it was taken down. :]

Also you do know you people have pissed of many people, right? I had them in my DMs. Have fun with the rats nonny.

Edit: I see your the same person from patreon. Please go find something meaningful in your life. Even if you just like to collect rocks, it’s something. I hope you find purpose one day.

[miriah01]

This chickenshit anon is NOT part of DWP, we do not & will not ever leak Toskasims CC! Toskasims is a creator we support completely. The entire DWP stands behind Toskasims 100%

[miriah01]

please it is possible to download for sims 4 this: Geisha Kimono Costume for The Sims 4 by Cosplay Simmer

Yes it will be on the DWP website, but the website is moving to a new better spot and hopefully will be back online soon.  To know when there are problems, changes and updates posted follow them on their twitter page at  https://twitter.com/DownWithPatreon

[toskasims-cc-deactivated2020032]

She made a post about you

I feel my original post speaks for itself. She lies and manipulates and I think enough people know her true colors.

“Now because I’m not a bottom feeder” - HMB

Funniest thing I’ve seen in while. 

PS. It’s Toskasims

[miriah01]

Oh but she is the lowest of the bottom feeders.  Yep it is me the bat shit crazy woman lol.  I am the only team member that was doxxed and I was doxxed by someone that “claimed” to be her patron.  So I am not saying her worthless name because she is already claiming she is going to sue me for bullying, lost money, slander and defamation of character.   Yep see you all in court, here in Utah!  Everyone knows all about me so hell let’s have a party on the mormon temple grounds!

[miriah01]

That last anon was 100% HerMajestyBuilds. That’s exactly how she talks and types. Yet the bihh says she don’t talk to children and don’t have tile for that shit? This hoe is lame.

lol Thanks but I already knew that.  All anyone has to do is read the emails she sends because she is “unbothered”.  Thanks for the heads up, it’s much appreciated.  At least I know the doxxing went well =)

[miriah01]

You're pretty pathetic... So much jealousy 'cause someone makes more $ than you? You must think you are some kind of police to tell what other should do lol Lady, go home to your grandkids, stop being so pressed and wasting your time trying to be god. You have no say on what people should do with their content, you can throw your tantrums all you want, but those creators are going to keep making their $ and get support. And you're just going to become balder from all this hatred. NOT. WORTH. IT.

I am pathetic, yet you are hiding behind a nony nick.   Oh yeah you are so wise and know how jealous I am and that they make more money than I do.  You do not know me, you do not know what I do for a living or how much money I do or do not make.   

If I am doing all you claim I am doing, why you are wasting your time even sending me your little words.  Because evidently you think you know me huh?  You know I think I am god, or the police or if I have grandkids oh and that I am bald and going to get balder.  You are right if I am so NOT WORTH IT, why are you even trying.  Oh  you aren’t trying, because you are hiding behind that anonymous nick.    Wow so brave, and so knowedgeable

[hermajestybuilds-deactivated201]

The Case for Paid Content

This will likely be an unpopular opinion, but I don’t care about that. So here we go!

I see a lot of anti-Patreon, anti-paywall posts flooding my timeline and feel the need to speak on these perspectives. I understand the frustration. Some of you are underage, underemployed or unemployed altogether and use the game as respite from the stresses of real life; not everyone can afford to pay for content. You just want to play, have fun while doing so and escape from reality. I get that. But here’s the thing: you are still not entitled to anyone’s work. This is applicable not just to The Sims, but art in general. As a society, we undervalue artistic expression because we don’t “need” it to survive or because it’s “fun” so it can’t feel like real work. That is unequivocally false. In order for anything to look or feel effortless, a LOT of work goes into it. Kind of like how “everyday wear” or “barely there” makeup tutorials still seem to take 40 minutes and use 20 products. Effortless does not mean EASY.

So that brings me to paid content from CC creators and Sims creatives alike: they deserve compensation for their work. Period. If creating, building or designing was so easy, you would just do it yourself. Why pay someone for, or put your computer at risk via ad walls, for something that you can easily do yourself? Because you can’t. The sense of entitlement within this community is overwhelming at times. The easiest thing to do is to just stop sharing. Is that really what people want? To play with EA’s unseasoned Maxis content? Of course not. More disappointing than finding out that a creator has a Patreon, is finding their CC and realizing that they’re refusing to share any of it at all because of constant backlash. You’d happily shell out money for half assed stuff packs from EA, but you turn your nose up at the modders who also seek compensation for BETTER content? Make it make sense. I’m personally spending hours every week studying meshing tutorials so that I can just create what I want for my game instead of paying for it; which I have done, and will continue to do. Even from my FRIENDS. You can try that too. But complaining is easier than investing the same time, energy, effort and resources that the creators you despise do, to create the stuff you think you’re owed.

Now to the creators who are stealing content from others AND charging for your stolen meshes: this doesn’t include you. You don’t count. You deserve the backlash. This is in defense of those who put the work in to create their own work.

[miriah01]

Look kiddo, I don’t complain that I don’t get cc for free, I complain that there are those out there that think they they are entitled to be paid above and beyond what EA has said they deserve and have a right to.  

NO ONE makes you learn how to make content and if you or any one of those patreon creators thinks that you are entitled to be paid for your HOBBY, because let’s be real honest about this it is a hobby.  There is no one that says you put in this amount of hours to learn this and you will get this amount of dollars. NO ONE cause it is NOT your job.  So why on this green earth do you think WE the community OWE it to you that you spend hours learning how to make cc?  That we told you that we would pay you X amount of dollars and cents if you spend hours on learning how to make meshes/cc/whatever. IT IS NOT WORK, IT IS NOT A JOB!  You do NOT work for EA so it is NOT yours to charge for. 

I don’t despise the creators, I despise their PAY ME attitude they have about this and if it is. 

Here’s the REAL thing you are not entitled to be paid for your cc.  We are not entitled to pay you for your cc. You want to keep it to yourself and your friends go right ahead!  And guess what is is easy, I create and design my own houses in the sims and I use the same FREE cc that you put in your downloads that you CHARGE people for on patreon.  Tell me something, do all those cc creators know you are uploading their hard work cc into a file that you charge others to download?  

If I wanted to spend the time to make cc I would, but my family is more important to me than money.  And guess what, a real lot of the cc put on patreon and charged for is worse than what EA puts out there.  So you go right ahead and defend that shit, cause I have been to those sites that upload it for free and many times it wasn’t worth the wasted time or effort to download and put into my game.  So you go right ahead and keep defending that, and those money hungry copyright breaking creators on patreon that you seem to think are worth this much effort and time.  Like a good man once said “Don’t be stupid, stupid!”

Have a good life with all that hard earned money you make on patreon.  Really hope your soul and energy is worth it all

[hermajestybuilds-deactivated201]

The Case for Paid Content

This will likely be an unpopular opinion, but I don’t care about that. So here we go!

I see a lot of anti-Patreon, anti-paywall posts flooding my timeline and feel the need to speak on these perspectives. I understand the frustration. Some of you are underage, underemployed or unemployed altogether and use the game as respite from the stresses of real life; not everyone can afford to pay for content. You just want to play, have fun while doing so and escape from reality. I get that. But here’s the thing: you are still not entitled to anyone’s work. This is applicable not just to The Sims, but art in general. As a society, we undervalue artistic expression because we don’t “need” it to survive or because it’s “fun” so it can’t feel like real work. That is unequivocally false. In order for anything to look or feel effortless, a LOT of work goes into it. Kind of like how “everyday wear” or “barely there” makeup tutorials still seem to take 40 minutes and use 20 products. Effortless does not mean EASY.

So that brings me to paid content from CC creators and Sims creatives alike: they deserve compensation for their work. Period. If creating, building or designing was so easy, you would just do it yourself. Why pay someone for, or put your computer at risk via ad walls, for something that you can easily do yourself? Because you can’t. The sense of entitlement within this community is overwhelming at times. The easiest thing to do is to just stop sharing. Is that really what people want? To play with EA’s unseasoned Maxis content? Of course not. More disappointing than finding out that a creator has a Patreon, is finding their CC and realizing that they’re refusing to share any of it at all because of constant backlash. You’d happily shell out money for half assed stuff packs from EA, but you turn your nose up at the modders who also seek compensation for BETTER content? Make it make sense. I’m personally spending hours every week studying meshing tutorials so that I can just create what I want for my game instead of paying for it; which I have done, and will continue to do. Even from my FRIENDS. You can try that too. But complaining is easier than investing the same time, energy, effort and resources that the creators you despise do, to create the stuff you think you’re owed.

Now to the creators who are stealing content from others AND charging for your stolen meshes: this doesn’t include you. You don’t count. You deserve the backlash. This is in defense of those who put the work in to create their own work.

[miriah01]

Oh so I have to build a house and use other peoples cc in it to have an opinion on this?  SERIOUSLY!  GET the f*uck over yourself!  I support the creators that DO NOT TRY TO STEAL from this community! I have been part of The Sims community since The Sims original game! Only now do people feel they are owed for their hobby, for signing into their game and making houses/clothes/objects after they get out of school every day so they can make money off everyone else.  If it is so damn hard to make everything that you think WE owe you money for it then it is time to get into reality and off your pc then pull on those big kid pants and go get a JOB where you deserve to be paid for your damn hard work.  

This crap wasn’t accepted with The Sims 2 or The Sims 3, why should we accept it now?  Cause your generation thinks it is owed to you?  Like I said before you want to get paid for your “hard work” GO GET A JOB and stop trying to make your living off another company’s game!  

If you still have an issue with that I suggest you go read over and study EA’s TOS/UGC so you understand that ANYTHING made by ANYONE that has to do with The Sims is FREE FOR EVERYONE!   So if it is ok for you to take other creators content and put it up for download in your houses that you want people to pay you for on patreon, then why isn’t it ok for others to share your houses with everyone else for free ... Oh cause you don’t get any money that way  HUH

[hermajestybuilds-deactivated201]

The Case for Paid Content

This will likely be an unpopular opinion, but I don’t care about that. So here we go!

I see a lot of anti-Patreon, anti-paywall posts flooding my timeline and feel the need to speak on these perspectives. I understand the frustration. Some of you are underage, underemployed or unemployed altogether and use the game as respite from the stresses of real life; not everyone can afford to pay for content. You just want to play, have fun while doing so and escape from reality. I get that. But here’s the thing: you are still not entitled to anyone’s work. This is applicable not just to The Sims, but art in general. As a society, we undervalue artistic expression because we don’t “need” it to survive or because it’s “fun” so it can’t feel like real work. That is unequivocally false. In order for anything to look or feel effortless, a LOT of work goes into it. Kind of like how “everyday wear” or “barely there” makeup tutorials still seem to take 40 minutes and use 20 products. Effortless does not mean EASY.

So that brings me to paid content from CC creators and Sims creatives alike: they deserve compensation for their work. Period. If creating, building or designing was so easy, you would just do it yourself. Why pay someone for, or put your computer at risk via ad walls, for something that you can easily do yourself? Because you can’t. The sense of entitlement within this community is overwhelming at times. The easiest thing to do is to just stop sharing. Is that really what people want? To play with EA’s unseasoned Maxis content? Of course not. More disappointing than finding out that a creator has a Patreon, is finding their CC and realizing that they’re refusing to share any of it at all because of constant backlash. You’d happily shell out money for half assed stuff packs from EA, but you turn your nose up at the modders who also seek compensation for BETTER content? Make it make sense. I’m personally spending hours every week studying meshing tutorials so that I can just create what I want for my game instead of paying for it; which I have done, and will continue to do. Even from my FRIENDS. You can try that too. But complaining is easier than investing the same time, energy, effort and resources that the creators you despise do, to create the stuff you think you’re owed.

Now to the creators who are stealing content from others AND charging for your stolen meshes: this doesn’t include you. You don’t count. You deserve the backlash. This is in defense of those who put the work in to create their own work.

[miriah01]

@lorry612 You know that LeoSims steals everything she puts out from IMVU and Second Life creators and just puts a piss poor texture on it instead of the good ones that the original creators put on it.  Everyone knows that LeoSims doxxed (gave out all of their real life information) several people that shared “her” content and has even sent others viruses for doing so.  Of course LeoSims puts out good stuff, IT ISN”T HERS!