My random Gilmore Thoughts

[theblindassassin]

GILMORE GIRLS - 6x13 - Friday Night's Alright for Fighting

[missallycat]

Did you know? - Gilmore Girls FAQs, trivia and curiosites

I’ve watched this show so many times, I stopped counting years ago when I reached double digits. Is my favorite show of all times and I’ve been told almost nobody knows it as well as I do, so I decided to put together all the knowledge I’ve gained over the years of trivia tidbits, although in that I’m nowhere near an expert ;) my deal is knowing these characters and their personalities and the lines of the show lol but I figured I’d give it a try and collect all the trivia and tidbits of knowledge I’ve gained over the years in one post that I’ll continue to edit to add more stuff (there are a couple that I didn’t get a chance to add right not that will add later on)

1. Yes, that’s Kirk in guardians of the galaxy 2 http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0348231/. And yes Sam Smith (depending on the photo) does look like Kirk (Sean Gunn). Sean Gunn also played the movements of Rocket the racoon.

2. And yes that is Jess dad's girlfriend Sasha now as April's mom (yes she was/is in Twin Peaks http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000145/). Amy wanted to work with Sherilyn and rumor has it she was offered the role for Lorelai first but there’s no article yet to be found stating this directly from the Palladinos mouths.

3. And yes cousin Marilyn and Gran, Lorelai the first, Richard’s mother, are the same actress. (Happy Day’s Mrs Cunningham http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005385/?ref_=nv_sr_1).

3. Yes the girl in SH high unnamed who asks Lorelai a question and Logan’s LBD friend Juliette are the same actress. Different character. Riki Lindhome played the unnamed student of SH high and Juliette

5. Yes the first episode looks completely different (not just in the diner) because it was filmed in a different location (Ontario, Canada).

6. Yes, that’s Luke in Seinfeld. (”sponge worthy guy”) and in Will & Grace, jerk guy obsessed with huge boobs, Grace wanted to impress with the water bra. Lauren was also in Seinfield as one of Jerry’s brief girlfriends. That’s also a young Lauren in Caroline in the city.

7. That’s Chris in friends (hums when he pees guy). Yes that's both Luke and Chris on Will & Grace (Luke water bra artist narcissistic guy, Chris cabin in the woods hot guy).

8. Yes that is Logan (and with Usher for that matter lol) in that scene at 7th heaven . And yes Logan. Matt Czuchry was in the good wife, and he has his own show now “The Resident” on Fox. Currently filming a second season (as in October 1st, 2018)

9. Yes Crazy Carrie was also the Stars Hollow High teacher (by a different name) in the pilot. Same actress that plays crazy Carrie but different name of character

10. No, nobody knows if the show will ever come back (as far as it’s been told everything points to a NO). The Palladinos don’t double book, they are happy doing Mrs Maisel and they devote themselves to one show at the time. The last interview they gave on the subject was to Michael Ausiello in the podcast you can hear in the links. 1. A direct link to the article from November 2017 but is important to listen to the podcast http://tvline.com/2017/11/27/amy-sherman-palladino-podcast-interview-gilmore-girls-mrs-maisel/ 2. This is a link directly to the podcast that opens right up and they say "it would have to be the right time , we don't know but we're open. We said no before and ended up doing more that's why we're open now but it would have to be in a different format", Daniel doesn't repeat the would have to because he already said it right before in the same sentence. Basically is nothing we didn't know. However is a very interesting podcast http://hwcdn.libsyn.com/p/b/8/1/b810a8eea76b5eb5/Amy_and_Dan.mp3?c_id=17932724&expiration=1526427435&hwt=95629606ee9caf86bc57bb8d2d70cf6a. Amy and Dan Palladino show creators and writers and producers, these are the people who made this universe, these are the people who the show belongs to, this is THEIR baby and they made a damn good one.

11. No, Lauren Graham did not have cancer and write a book about it. (different person, same name).

12. No, Lauren and Scott didn't hate each other's guts they just weren't BFFs. They have both said this endlessly, they have respect for each other. Scott had a crush on Lauren when he begun the show. But from what has been told and learned about Scott, it seems he doesn’t like to get along with the rest of the cast unless is for his personal gain.

13. NO Rory is not a surrogate. They never even discussed the surrogacy Lorelai with Rory neither did Paris with Rory and Gilmore Girls is a light dramedy not a soap opera it doesn’t have sudden hidden scenes that come to change the show completely, other shows, soap operas could do that, Gilmore Girls DOES NOT. She is NOT pregnant of the Wookie. She never slept with Paul (the actor even said it wasn’t Paul’s) Milo said Jess is not the father and doesn’t romantically love Rory anymore. Only Alexis and Matt were told who the father of the baby is. The Palladinos have said clearly that the father of Rory’s baby was never meant to be a mystery. The only person that fits is Logan. The only actors they have told are Alexis and Matt and told them they could do what they wanted with the information but they have chosen not to say anything because is Amy’s story.And the Palladinos have said IT IS THE OBVIOUS CHOICE. So, Logan is the father, is no cliffhanger is open ending. Yes it would be lovely to see more of them but the Palladinos don’t have the style of wrapping up things in a big pink bow.

14. Ace is Logan’s term of endearment for Rory, it shows respect and admiration, it comes from what they used to call top reporters in the 50’s movies, he first calls her that in a IM conversation at the Yale daily news in the episode season 5 episode 6 of Norman Mailer, I’m pregnant!. Not in the poker game, not in the LDB first gathering. Is a term of respect for her abilities investigating the Life and Death Brigade.

15. The love rocket. Rory understood the meaning because it was the same model, came from an episode of the Twilight zone that was Logan’s favorite. It didn’t need confirmation from Logan because Rory had already said she understood it and she explained it to Lorelai in the same episode: “When Logan and I were first going out, we were in the pool house one night really late, and we were falling asleep on the couch. And this episode of "the twilight zone" came on -- "the long morrow." There's this astronaut who was supposed to go into space for 40 years, but right before he left, he met this beautiful woman. But for those 40 years that he was going to be in space, he was going to be in suspended animation. So when he came back to earth, he was going to be really young, but she would be really old. So he goes into space, and when he does come back, the woman is still young and beautiful because she put herself in suspended animation to wait for him, but he's really, really old because he took himself out of suspended animation so he could be old with her. He spent 40 years alone in space just waiting to see her, and he was willing to come back as an 80-year-old man, giving up almost his entire life just to spend those last few years with her. The point is, that this is Logan's favorite episode of "the twilight zone." And when we watched it together, he said, "that's true love." That's true love! This is the most romantic gift I've ever been given.”.

16. Chris wasn’t at Rory’s high school graduation. He was however at her college graduation. The reason they give is he had to work. Probably the actor who was a guest star was doing another project and couldn’t be in the episode or they just didn’t want to write him in so they could develop more the arc between Lorelai and Luke.

17. June 3rd is the date of Rory’s court date AND the date chosen by Lorelai for hers and Luke’s wedding in the original show. Is the same date different year, coincidence as Lorelai herself says the date happened to happen. There’s a theory that is ASP’s best friend Helen Pai’s birthday. Since it was in an old interview we haven’t found the confirmation of it yet becaue there’s no data (at least on the searches we’ve done so far by various people) on Helen Pai’s date of birth.

18. Lane’s story is loosely based on Helen Pai’s, executive producer of the show and Amy Sherman Palladino’s best friend. HEP ALIEN is an anagram of her name (Pai’s name). Helen Pai’s husband is real life Dave Rygalski which was the character of Dave initially based on until the actor had to leave for a better offer.

19. The real life Dave Rygalski shows up in the troubadour’s “attack” episode, he was with Daniel Palladino who was singing a beaver ate my thumb Dan is singing and Dave is playing the bass. Daniel Palladino is also the town loner, the one who protests at the church and appears briefly in the pilot episode leaving Luke’s. In total Dan Palladino shows up three times in the show

20. Keiko Agena and Emily Kuroda are Japanese American that’s why when they speak korean in very few moments in the show is very difficult to understand for people who do understand korean. Also Mrs Kim’s real name, at least Korean’s name is Jong Ya. Lane’s is Hyun Kyung, without last names, which come first in Korean Culture so Lane would be Kim Hyun Kyung, Mrs Kim however would not be Kim as last name, that’s a westerner tradition, in Korea women don’t change their last name when they marry and they are referred as Madam, Auntie, or as mother of such (name of youngest child) depending on level of familiarity. There’s never a mention of Mrs Kim’s “westerner” first name.

21. There’s also no idea of what Lane’s father does or where he is during the original show. Amy Sherman Palladino show creator said she never saw the need to create or cast a Mr Kim because it was more to focus in the mother and daughter dinamics. No is not the unnamed Asian waiter at Luke’s. Mr Kim appears in the revival for a brief moment, never before. There’s a fan theory going around that he was never there because he had to constantly be traveling to supply antiques for the store. Lane mentions “my parents”, “my mother and father” in a handful of ocassions through the show. He WAS NOT the unnamed Asian waiter that is always at the background at Luke’s. The Palladinos had never made anyone pass for Mr Kim not even as the back of a head until the revival as a way of fan service and as a joke like saying “oh look, so maybe he had been there the entire time”.

22. The translation of the korean wedding ceremony is here: https://missallycat.tumblr.com/post/173812878159/i-got-a-sidekick-out-of-you (is a tumblr post) complete with before and after.

23. What does Lane’s grandmother say when she arrives at the house before the wedding? Grandma takes her coat and she sees Lane, she calls out her name Hyun Kyung-a (the a is an added sound they use for familiarity when they call someone's name) and tells her to come down. After Lane comes down she pats her in the cheek and says Lane is "oh so pretty!". Lane replies, "welcome, grandmother, I am very happy you came." The grandmother then says, "it's good to have come / I'm glad I came." She then talks to Mrs Kim (Yong Ja-ya Jong Ya is the name the ya the added familiarity informal sound), asking why is that Budha statue here in the room?. Mrs Kim says I was going to move it, mother (formal). Grandma walks through the house she's saying, "ugh, it's so dirty and stuffy in here - open a door." Then Mrs Kim says something that sounds sort of like, "rest first, please." When the camera cuts to Lane and Rory giving each other 'the look,' Grammy Kim is saying, "hey, why didn't you come out to the airport?" Mrs Kim maybe replies, "you said yesterday... that I shouldn't..." (and the sentence doesn't finish). Grammy Kim then says, "the atmosphere/karma is bad [in here]. It needs to be changed. Let's bow 108 times."

24. The episode of Jess in California “Here comes the son” WAS the backdoor pilot episode of what was going to be made into a spin off. But it wasn’t deemed interesting enough by the network to justify the expenses of shooting in the actual locations so it didn’t happen.

25. Miss Celine and Drella the harpist are the same actress. Alex Borstein. She was going to be Sookie, she was in the unaired pilot but due to conflicts with her other show she couldn’t be so she came later as other characters. She was also the voice in Dwight’s answering machine (especially my trivial pursuit!) and the woman’s voice in the museum. Jackson was married to her but they are divorced know.

26. Paris (Liza Weill) initially auditioned for the role of Rory, she didn’t get it but they liked her so much they created Paris for her.

27. Luke was initially going to be a woman but they figured the show needed more testosterone so they casted Scott. This has been the first and only major role Scott Patterson has had in his entire “career” as an actor, the one that led him to get a few more minor roles, rumor has it, he’s very difficult to work with and not talented enought to be worth the pain. He milks Gilmore Girls every chance he gets.

28. Sookie was going to be gay but the network put a stop to that, they didn’t want any openly gay characters in the show. The Palladinos were new at this so they accepted the network’s conditions. Is probably why Michel was always put as bicurious or closeted gay man during the original show and was only fully out in the revival as an obvious thing that needed no explanation or backstory because everyone always assumed Michel was gay.

29. Kirk (Sean Gunn) was initially just an appearance, Mick in the pilot episode, then swan guy, then Kirk new manager at Doose’s new in town who didn’t know Miss Patty or anyone and then became the Kirk Gleason we know and love. Sean Gunn was initially an extra but they loved him so much they created Kirk Gleason as permanent character for him.

30. Gypsy and Berta, the maid in AYITL are both played by the extremely talented, Rose Abdoo. She was hilarious in a reading when they hadn’t casted anyone yet so she was given the part. Her language is “berta-ese” lol She speaks mostly Spanish, a couple of words could be Brazilian portuguese (maybe?), is mostly nonsensical Spanish words in the kind of Spanish that wouldn’t make a sentence with any meaning or sense and Rose Abdoo said she had changed a few vowels of the words to make it more confusing.G

31. The unkown town elder (towel guy) is played by William Morgan Sheppard. He was never in the show before or after.

32. None of the elders were the same actors or characters of Richard’s two friends in the golf outing with Rory. But one of those friends was the reverend that buries gran, and in the revival is Charlie of the gazette.

33. Rory’s resident advisor Tess the girl who hands her the keys on her first day of Yale (SE04 EP2 “The Lorelais first day at Yale”) is a different actress than Sandee from Sandee says in AYTIL (a year in the life, netflix GG revival) Tess name is Joy Darash http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1384632/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t17 Sandee is Julia Goldani Telles http://www.imdb.com/name/nm5065920/?ref_=tt_cl_t3 (if you ever saw ASP’s show bunheads that’s Sasha)

34. When they take the roadtrip to Harvard. The picture of the girl Lorelai stares at when she’s in the hallway is a stranger it has to do with the year not the girl herself. That's the year she would have graduated if she went to an Ivy league college as it was planned. It was sort of a “what if” moment.

35. Emily Gilmore didn’t go to Yale she went to Smith to study History. Women weren’t admitted in Yale at the time Richard and Emily went to college but it was usual that girls colleges and guys colleges would have parties together and visited each other when there were couples. First mention of Emily attending Smith was in season 5. How many kropogs to cape cod. Richard jokes how Emily got kicked out of the women’s softball team for elbowing another girl. In season 7 I’m a kayak hear me roar, Emily says she went to Smith and majored in History.

36. They talk about Richard’s mother in the first season in past tense but later on Trix appears. It was an error of the first season when things weren’t that defined.

37. Alexis Bledel and Milo Ventimiglia did date in real life, apparently it ended really badly. She also dated Jared Padalecki. She didn’t date Matt Czuchry at least not that is known but both are extremely private people, however they are good friends and trust each other a lot from every interview they have given and enjoy working together. She’s now happily married to her Mad Men costar Vincent Kartheiser and they have a beautiful boy together.

38. Luke’s diner has the sign of William’s hardware store and not Danes’ because as a fandom we assume William was his dad’s first name. You’ll see changes in the diner all through the show. However Luke’s parents names are never mentioned ever during the show. The pilot episode was filmed in Unionville Ontario in a building that was formerly Williams hardware. For continuity when they moved to the studio lot at Warner Brothers the name was kept. I don't remember them ever explaining the name on the series other than the hardware store belonged to Lukes father

39. Lorelai’s doll house is NOT the same dollhouse on friends but it is the dollhouse they show on sale at Kim’s antiques, in one episode where Lane is going to talk to her mom about the band and Mrs Kim cracks the joke “but is past their bedtime”.

40. Yes Gil from Hep Alien is Sebastian Bach from Skid Row.

41. Yes the “hug-a-world” that was in the garage in season 4 is on their couch in season 1! (Same as the scary clown pillow is in a number of seasons lying around lol)

42. Alexis Bledel is actually a Latina. She was born and raised in the US but grew in a Spanish speaking, latino, household, her father and paternal grandfather are Argentinian, her mother, like herself was born in the US, but Alexis’ mother grew up in Mexico. Alexis didn’t learn English until she started school. The episode where Rory speaks Spanish with Esperanza (Season 6 episode 2: “Fight face”) she anglicized her native Spanish BECAUSE Rory didn’t know much Spanish. There’s an old interview with Ellen Degeneres on set while filming season 6 or 7 that she’s asked to translate for Lauren, she doesn’t translate everything due to nervousness. (It also happens when you live your adult life in a country that doesn’t speak your first language, growing up bilingual, you tend to adopt the accent of the language you use most and tend to confuse some words when you don’t use your native language often).

43. People praised the chemistry and physical closeness between Lauren Graham and Alexis Bledel, but there is actually a very logical reason for this: Alexis was a model and was just starting out acting and had a tougher time making her marks, so as veteran, Lauren often physically moved Alexis to make sure she was in the right place. Lauren told “The Today Show” in 2015: "The camerawork on that show is very specific and we really had to hit certain marks, which especially when you start out, is just a foreign concept...I remember a lot of times just kind of grabbing her, just kind of leading her arm. So, in the beginning, people are like, 'You have such great chemistry.' And I'm like, 'I'm mauling her. That's why.'"

(check this entry from time to time because I’ll keep writing fun facts)

[jakeperalta]

take me back to the night we met [insp]

[missallycat]

I got a sidekick out of you

or 58 seats 62 koreans Oi! with the weddings already ;)

This is one of my favorite episodes (minus Lorelai’s tequila fueled toast). I use it whenever I just want a laugh. But I barely understand a few words of Korean, so I became slightly obsessed with finding the translation of the interaction between Mrs. Kim and her mother. There was a wonderful tumblr page here that had it but sadly that no longer exists so I digged a little (a lot) on reddit, then I asked for the help of a couple of lovely fellow fans who understand korean. All opinions of those in the know lead to the conclusion that is very difficult to understand because although they made a major effort, Keiko Agena and Emily Kuroda are japanese-american and had no knowledge of korean so their pronunciation wasn’t the greatest. 

** A little background: Mrs Kim’s korean name is Jong Yae, the last “ya” or in Lane’s case “a” is like we would say a term of familiarity, that they add to every name, the opposite of the formal sound “shi” which is a formal way to adress someone. We don’t know her actual last name because she apparently took the westerner tradition of taking her husband’s last name. Korean women traditionally don’t take their spouses last names.**

Dialogue goes like this when grandma arrives at the Kim household.

RORY: That is so weird. LANE: Tell be about it I just discovered today that I am simply the latest link in a chain of Kim women who hide their real lives under floorboards away from their mothers. MRS KIM: [OS] Lane, she's here!

LANE: I want all boys! RORY: Praise Buddha! [Cut to the top of the stairs looking down] RORY: That's your mom's mom? LANE: Yep.

Grandma takes her coat and she sees Lane, she calls out her name

GRANDMA: Hyun Kyung-a (the a is an added sound they use for familiarity when they call someone's name) Come down!.

RORY: I can see the resemblance.

LANE: goes downstairs Grandma pats her in the cheek

GRANDMA: Oh! so pretty!!.

LANE: Hello (a formal hello), grandmother, welcome I am very happy you came.

GRANDMA: (to Lane)It's good to have come / I'm glad I came. (to Mrs Kim) Jong Ya! Why is that Budha statue here in the room?

MRS KIM: I was going to move it, mother.

GRANDMA: Ugh, it's so dirty and stuffy in here - open a door!

MRS KIM: Rest first, please,mother.

GRANDMA: Hey, why didn't you come out to the airport?"

 MRS KIM: You said yesterday... that I shouldn't...

GRANDMA: The atmosphere/karma is bad! (in here) It needs to be changed. Let’s bow 108 times.

The translation of the korean wedding ceremony is as it follows: (more or less, remember they weren’t actually korean so their accents are difficult to understand for people who speak the language and they are not completely accurate)   

GRANDMA:  헉, 불상이 깨졌다! (*Gasps*, the Buddha statue! is broken!)      

MRS KIM: 뭐라고요? (I beg your pardon?) 

GRANDMA:  불상이 깨졌어! (The Buddha statue! It’s cracked!)     

MRS KIM:  어머니! (Mother!)   

GRANDMA:   얘, 불상이 깨졌는데도 식을 시작한단 말이냐? (How could you start the  wedding ceremony when the statue got cracked?)     

MRS KIM: 괜찮아요, 어머니. (It’s okay, mother.)     

GRANDMA: 이리 와봐! (Follow me!)      [They go into the other room.]  <

 어떻게 나한테 말을 그렇게 해?(How can you tell me like that?)     

MRS KIM: 그냥 대답했는데요. (I simply answered.)   

GRANDMA:   아니야. 네가 손님 앞에서 날 망신스럽게 했어. (No. You disgraced me in front of my guests.) 

MRS KIM: 제 손님이기도 해요. (They are my guests too, mother)

GRANDMA: 그리고 오렌지는 아주 작아가지구! (And the oranges, they are too small!)

 OFFICIANT: [Very loudly. So we can’t hear what Mrs. Kim’s saying!)]축복이 가정에 함께하길     진심으로 빕니다! (I sincerely wish the blessings to be with your home!)     

GRANDMA: 결혼식 하고 있는거 알고 있어. 너 내가 노망이 들었다고 하는 거야?(I know we are in the middle of the ceremony. Are you telling me I’m getting senile?)   

MRS KIM: 아니요, 노망들었다고 안했어요!(No,mother, I didn’t say that!)    

LORELAI: The universal sounds of family. 

Cue to the outside of the Kim house when grandmother is about to leave

MRS KIM: Thank you for coming, I’m very happy you were here. Have a safe trip.

GRANDMA: Yong Jae, take care of yourself

MRS KIM: Thank you, mother. Goodbye.

Now of the first sentence the reverend or pastor or I don’t know second officiant, this time of the seventh day adventist wedding ceremony, I only understand the word love.

After that the only korean spoken is when Lane says thank you very much and goodbye to every one of the korean guests who are giving her money as they depart.

**And that, boys and girls concludes our investigation of, Korean words, I do not understand,of today.**

PS: If by chance anyone who happens to read this knows korean and has corrections or can add to what is said during either of the ceremonies exactly, please write in comments here and let me know! :)

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fact: rory gilmore and logan huntzberger have been old married people since they were in their early twenties

[missallycat]

Relationships and revival metaphors

warning, this will be LONG and rambling (but fun if you like to analyze)

I was rewatching the revival once again, fourth fully including the musical, I’ve watched certain parts (ahem Logan parts ahem) more times but the revival as a whole including the unusual musical (I’ve come to the conclusion, the musical is hilarious, what I can’t understand is how the biggest grumps (Tom and Sophie and Gypsy) and the most honest person with Taylor (Babette) are so starry eyed over this… maybe it is to enhance Lorelai’s mortification but the musical was meant to be bad, hilariously stupid just like many other Taylor ideas,to the power of 10, but my peeve is them all being so on board with it given the way they are). I still come to the same conclusion and theory. The engagement of Logan is an arrangement. Yes of course this is only a theory and as all theories it could be wrong but the way things are put in the revival I see a few things that make me say this with a lot of certainty:

- We don’t see any interactions or even know anything about Odette, not even her face, there are no photos no knick knacks of a woman, no nothing not a trace of hers in his apartment. Sure she hasn’t moved in yet but really? no presents? no photos? Logan has photos in his apartment, of his adventures and places but no portraits of a girl, no couple photos, no stuff that’s clearly been bought by a woman in his apartment? How is that a relationship? - He’s been single all these years he hasn’t married anyone he hasn’t had one serious relationship with anyone apparetly (or else he’d be married already, because the Huntzberger pressure to increase the family should be heavy) since Rory, for 10 years and when we see them we have to assume their relationship isn’t new because of the domesticity the way they behave around each other the comfort they take in their interactions.

I think Logan was waiting for Rory to go back to him. Now, I’m not saying he waited pining away for her behaving like a monk (lol) because that would be unrealistic in this day and age, but he was waiting for her. While I don’t agree with some things in the revival and even though I love the characters and the stories created by ASP, I’ve come to the realization is more my desire, my wishful thinking, what I would have wanted to see, that could have suited the story as well, but it isn’t MY story to tell, and if I really think it through from the characters POV and the writers POV it does make sense. He’s giving into his family, not to maintain his status quo in money, after all we know he can certainly work on his own, but is about him giving into the desires of his family because, why not? If he can’t have the relationship he wants with the woman he loves, because she still keeps a (small) length of space between them, still keeps him a little at arm’s length in a way, then why not try and keep the family happy even if he could keep postponing the marriage, they could be engaged forever and eventually end it. She could have her own reasons as well.

Let’s put this Rory and Logan thing in time. We don’t know how long they had this Vegas thing going on, if it started like that from the begining, if it’s been steady for how long or if it’s been on and off. He is engaged and she knows it perfectly well. However his engagement seems very bizarre because is almost like it was non existant.

We have this idea of Rory and Logan together when we see them in the revival, they look so in tune so perfectly happy with each other and with their routines and their domesticity already in place, they look married, actually, or like a couple who has been living together for quite a while. (yes and them BAM Vegas and such but more on this as we go on)

Someone once asked if there were parallels between Romeo and Juliet and Rory and Logan like ill fated lovers the world separating them… I think that’s a little much, life happens, sh*t happens, we all have to take responsability for our actions and behave like adults and be aware that our actions have consequences.  I think these two are not ill fated lovers, no, I think they make or break their own lives due to fears in one side or resignation and why nots, in the other that result in lack of communication because they are afraid to burst their bubble, him of having her in any terms possible, her of having him but no strings attached (the roles have reversed from the original show but pretty much they both want the same, each other).

However I see a few things that could be taken from Shakespeare if we want to draw some parallels… Odette to me, the fact they never show her face that we barely hear her voice once, that she doesn’t have an actual real presence, reminds me of how Paris was only a prop to force Juliette’s hand. Romeo and Juliette’s Paris, if we think about it, doesn’t really have a story or anything much, because he wasn’t relevant, is the same with Odette and who’s to say she’s not in it for the same reasons, to keep the family at bay and to prevent them from forcing a more permanent setting while staying in this arrangement and keeping the family happy.  Paul would be Rosalynd; someone quickly forgotten as soon as love comes by, someone who doesn’t appear to have relevance any longer.

I do have to say though that I also have my suspicions about Paul, why would this guy, any guy regardless of how much of a doormat he may want to be, would accept to be in a relationship with someone he NEVER sees? They don’t live together and she forgets about him even while he’s in the same house… how does that work? We don’t know how their previous two years were but he alludes to the fact that he doesn’t see her much. Who would be so much of a saint or so much of a doormat to take that? To be in a relationship with someone they never see and who constantly forgets about him…? Is Paul some sort of shield for Rory? We know they have said that at the moment we see them they’re going through the motions, and ASP has said is a bad moment for Rory… so perhaps the relationship was real in some way but Rory actually kept him as a sort of shield but forgot about him in every other way when he wasn’t present right next to her?? Paul could be Romeo’s Rosalynd, someone that was a relationship but faded into non existence the moment true love comes around. And lets face it, if anyone is actually braver in the story is Juliet more than Romeo…

I don’t think, however that Rory and Logan themselves fit so much in the Romeo and Juliet metaphor but they have some resemblances in their relationships during the revival. I am convinced that both Odette and Paul are symbols. Paul is a symbol of how much Rory is lost in herself and is trying to keep this guy as an anchor to prevent her from drifting but she doesn’t really care about him, she’s just there and keeps him around because he’s her excuse for not getting involved, her excuse for not fighting for what she actually wants with Logan, he’s her symbol of stability to show that she’s a mature adult because she’s with this guy who is stable and kind and serious… but forgettable.

Odette is the symbol of status the Huntzbergers want for Logan, the rich heiress marrying the rich heir, to give pedigree, to bring more heirs to the name, to bring potential more successful business deals, to take an international market perhaps, both families want the convenience of a union that would be profitable for them, economically beneficial to them (I’m having Sabrina flashbacks here hehe). They want this beneficial relationship and engagement. And if that were the case (“engaged to a girl who lives in another country, smart”, zero photos or things of her in his apartment, her being in there right within earshot distance when he’s talking to Rory) who’s to say that Odette isn’t in it for the same reasons Logan is? 

Maybe to have a relationship that isn’t serious for them but keeps the family at bay (why not marry them already if Logan was ACTUALLY moving on with his life and trying to forget Rory?) while they are together but not so much (the old arrangement you have your things I have mine, we each have our lives but are also together to keep the elders happy) And if they were all in this agreement, who’s it hurting that Rory and Logan are together? Truth is Odette is a symbol to create the conflict to put a body (but not a face) as the bump in the road that always prevents Rory from fully commiting to Logan, because if you add someone else to the mix, even if the someone else is in the practicalities, nonexistant, then you’re not the one with commitment issues, is just that you are not IN the picture. However THERE IS NO PICTURE. Odette is a metaphor for the invisible thing, a bump, an obstacle that Rory and Logan can’t seem to be able to throw aside to really be together, him because he’s leaving the decision to her because he already asked and every time he tries to know more she shuts down, Odette and Paul are each shields of a kind, the difficulty they need to overcome, the problems where they need to shed light in order to get past them. There’s a reason why Odette is literally nobody, she’s a non existent conflict, she’d dissapear as soon as they spoke clearly to each other.

Only Rory doesn’t know that because she cuts Logan off when he wants to explain about Odette, and she doesn’t want to tell him about Paul yet she freaks out when she finds out Odette is moving. If she didn’t care, if they were only in this vegas, sex buddies relationship why would she care that he’s engaged to someone else? why would she care and freak out about her moving in? why would she ask about not wanting to find another girl’s things when she’s staying with him? why would she care if she didn’t want him fully, in an actual real relationship the same way he wants her? Is perfectly clear Logan has been waiting for her and is still waiting for her to make up her mind. 

“The twilight zone: he was willing to wait 40 years and come back as an old man just to spend those last few years with her”. (I know this wasn’t ASP’s season but who knows if she had brought this story to the table for discussion and they decided to use it? They do mention the Twilight zone in earlier seasons so this could have very well been ASP’s idea to bring later on). He might have come to the end of it now that he kept waiting and she said goodbye to him. However I think it will be on Rory this time that this goodbye isn’t forever. This baby, their baby was concieved out of love. And while the man in her life is secondary, as much as I love him, he’s secondary to the story, he will be there for her, he has always been there for her, he’s waiting for her to give him a sign to reach out her hand. He will never force her because he knows that doesn’t work with her, he’s always asking for her permission and her approval before he does anything concerning her.

When he and the boys arrive to surprise her in fall, he’s waiting in the background then he approaches carefully and presents her with the hat and coat, he could have easily put the hat on her, told her to turn around to help her in the coat, yet he pauses to look at her, to give her a questioning look “is your call, Ace”, he’s always allowed her to call the shots, is no different with this small gesture, she can say no and they’ll go away but she accepts it because she’s not ready to say goodbye to him, she’s not ready to let go of him for good, she doesn’t want to but she can’t utter the words that would keep him by her side for real, fully and for good. This pregnancy is important to her path because Rory needs to focus on her life, this new relationship, this mother-child relationship that will come is what is going to re focus her life, that is going to be her new anchor to get her to find her path. She’s nervous and scared sharing the shocking news but she’s her mother’s daughter after all, she will go through with it and she’ll find her own path, and secondary to that path will be her relationship with Logan, because the more important will be the mother and child.

The conversation with Christopher is a clear sign of what will come, she’s asking him, begging him to tell her, why didn’t you fight for me, why didn’t you stay next to me, why did you let others make the choices for you. She doesn’t want to be this person anymore, and that’s her great fear, that she will become this figure in the back, this cookie cutter mold that just because her mom did it in a way that she must be the same, she wanted her father in her life, she yearned to have him there, no matter how much her grandfather and her mom had been the parental figures in her life she wanted her dad, she doesn't want to be in this preordained path and to just accept that her child will have the life she had, as wonderful as it was, and she will find the fight inside her to do things her way, she’ll find the fight in her to not let anyone run her over this time (Mitchum, Shira, Elias Huntzberger). Brave Rory, determined Rory has always made up her mind and kept it, she needs to find it again. The conversation with Chris about Lorelai, “yes she’d back you up”, that it was meant to be, but that doesn’t mean it will be the same for her because she knows Logan WOULD fight her on being a part of the life of his child and Logan isn’t an inmature 16 year old boy he’s a man with a well positioned status and more important a man who loves her and would want to be a part of the life of his child, and if she lets him, to love her fully and be with her, be a permanent full part of her life. She always yearned for her father and she never filled that gap. Richard was a father figure of many sorts but he came when she was already a teenager, Luke was more like a pal than a father figure and even he didn’t help bring Rory up, he was though a stable figure, not an authority figure but a stable friend, a part of her support system. And that’s what she needs, the full picture and she can get it because is in her hands, she’s not going to shut Logan out because she knows what it was like for her. She’s going to give him the choice, and he will choose her and their child.

Now, Jess. I watched the revival once more and got to his part and I have to admit it, I don’t hate Jess, I don’t even dislike him, but his extreme fans make me want to reduce the (albeit little) importance of his character in the revival, because he does have a significance there. 

He is family now, (ASP’s ONLY words on the Jess subject) he came, he listened to her woes, he does know a little about her because whoever knows Rory knows her passion for words, and he comes from that world of words, so he took a chance and gave her an actual good advise. I don’t think now, after putting a pin (A GIGANTIC ONE) on the extreme Jess fans who think he’s God come to live and Rory’s saviour (and apparently she’d be the Virgin Mary because according to them the baby would be his so it would be an immaculate conception all over again) I don’t think now that it was a command or just a random idea, I do believe he listened to her and he knows, coming from that world that she needs to find her footing into writing what she knows, the idea had to come from someone who wasn’t so much involved, and Jess’ job was that, to come and listen for once, and to be a friend who gives advise, nothing more. And let’s face it, if we go to the nitty gritty they don’t really talk personal things and she barely touches him, she grabs his jacked while jumping up and down. Is odd for someone who hasn’t seen a friend in four years, it gives you the impression that they’re not really close or that the relationship between them is not one of much trust.

The look through the window is not longing is regret, because he could have been a part of that world WITH her but it was never in the cards, and I think that now after seeing her again he’s also closing this chapter, maybe with a regret of what might have been, but closing this chapter and finally moving forward himself. He said it himself when she asked him about what was going on with him, he said “nothing stable” that means there IS someone just not someone he thinks worth mentioning or discussing with her, so he is involved with someone, much like Rory with Paul. However since they aren’t in that close contact he just gets away with saying as little as possible on the subject, and finally realizes his role was that, to be the last drop that spills the water in the glass, to be the friend who gives good advise then goes his way again (I do NOT include season 7 in good advise he came, yelled and went away that’s not advise that’s not even conversation in the subject). Is clear they aren’t close because she hasn’t asked him to read her pages, he hasn’t asked him for advise, she goes to Logan, and she doesn’t really discuss what light would she show him (Jess) in her book because it was so brief it doesn’t really matter that much. 

We see the difference in communication and closeness when she randomly bumps into Dean. She hugs Dean. SHE HUGS DEAN!!! She knows all about his wife and his kids and his life, they obviously keep in touch, and when she discusses what she would say of him in her book, jokes aside, she says “you were the best boyfriend you made me feel safe” she knows all about Dean’s life and his wife and his kids and his sister yet about Jess she only knows what she’s been told they haven’t seen each other in four years or more and they still don’t discuss much details “nothing stable nothing permanent” that means Jess DOES have someone just nobody of importance, yet because we don’t see her the whole issue isn’t made this big thing the way it is made with Logan simply because there’s a name and a specific openly discussed situation.

And we come back to Logan. I think Logan shares some personality traits with other men in the show. He’s loyal, loving, he loves Rory and doesn’t want to force her hand by making her do something she doesn’t want, but he also can’t really communicate so well because of the way he was brought up, he loves Rory he’d do anything to make her happy including trying to stay away from her if that’s what she wanted, he has always shown her this world of adventure and he has had his many flaws but he has grown from those, he has learned from them and he always looked for Rory to try and be better for her. For him this woman doesn’t want anything from him as others usually do, the status, the money, the hot guy to brag about, so he wants to give her the world but she’s scared of being trapped inside a family with so much power and money because she doesn’t trust herself to not relive her terror… her grandmother’s life, she doesn’t want to be the "bored society wife” role, and wait a lifetime to have an individual life. She’s been raised in a way that committing to someone equals the end of her freedom the end of herself and she needs to learn that’s not true. She’s been raised to be afraid of loving someone deeply and staying forever because other than her mom, she didn’t have a stable figure close growing up. 

She thinks Logan is gong to make the choices for her when he never has. Rory shares a lot of traits with both Christopher and Lorelai, she has the lack of commitment skills of her parents, she has this fears that she won’t be enough like her dad, and Logan is a lot like Lorelai, this force of nature that comes into her life and suddenly an entire world of adventures shows up to this little bookworm and she’s happy experiencing all, but she’s always afraid she’s going to get steamrolled, she’s going to get overwhelmed by money, that’s why she pulls away like her mother, like her father. Logan shares traits of Lorelai and Christopher as well but also has the good qualities of Luke and Richard a bit without being exactly a mirror of them, just as Rory isn’t a mirror of her grandmother and doesn’t want to be, nor is she a mirror of her mother.  Lorelai Leigh is her own person even though she loses herself from time to time and I think that this story of the baby would be the key piece of the puzzle what would force her to develop her strenghts and finally stand on her own two feet. 

Is not about the guy, like ASP says, although the guy is a big part of the picture but is about Rory standing on her own, Rory solving her own issues so she can finally realize she’s stronger than the trappings and that Logan wouldn’t make her weaker, all the contrary he’d make her stronger. Despite the fact that her love life is secondary to the story, this child will bring her back to her path.

If we go back for a moment to the Oz metaphor, for when she says goodbye to the guys like Doroty from the Tin Man, the Lion and the Scarecrow… Dorothy needs to find her way back home and she’ll find it with the baby, the baby will be sort of her red shoes, she’ll find her footing because everything changes and is not about the guy although in this case is not like in Lorelai’s; he’s not an immature afraid teen and neither is she, she’s not a force of nature, he is, she’s undecisive, he isn’t, she’s not as confident as she was in the past when she confronted Mitchum when she kept her distance from him, she got crushed because she respected him and he thought her untalented but she’s finding new footing and she is a writer, she can be a writer and still be a reporter. (Season 1 her interview with headmaster Charleston maybe I’ll travel the world and write books about what I see I just want to make sure I see something). She didn’t want to marry him because she thought he would keep her from the world when in reality he wanted to share the world with her. I think once she finds her path “back home” we’ll see that the full circle has come, only what happens after the start point is going to be different this time. Because Rory’s “home” is not stars hollow, is her own confident, stubborn, feisty self, ready to fight the world and eat it up. She’s now forced to find new footing because this new life is going to require her growing up, she’s leaving the land of childhood but this time she’s going to the adult world to find that her love is waiting for her, only now it has to be on her to say the word and get him back.

She would tell him because “why didn’t you fight her why did you just let her, did she push you away” she’s making this new path because she’s finding her footing and the baby though is something scary (“I want to remember it all”, she’s leaving the life of immaturity she’s leaving Oz) is a new adventure and she’s not going to be frozen in time anymore. To me the fact that the only permanent figure for her was Logan and the fact that Lorelai is now in this new path as well (she’s actually now fully committed to Luke, not because of the piece of paper but because they finally found permanent footing and open communication) means she can’t stay in Oz she can’t play childhood life in her childhood bedroom she needs to move forward and for Rory that means physically out of Stars Hollow. In her growing up that this new relationship of mother child would bring, the way things were led in the revival I strongly believe that she would go back to Logan not because of obligation but because she’d realize that the excuses and the barriers are flimsy and the fact is that she always goes back to him and he always wants to go back to her because they love each other, they belong together. To me the baby would be the final piece of the puzzle to get Dorothy out of Oz and into the real world, with her child, with her own life, with her love.

[emilieblunt]

She plays with my heart and emotion I give her my love and devotion She gives me thoughts and a notion (requested by anonymous)

[missallycat]

loved this!! <3

[stevenrogered]

Emily & Richard / Rory & Logan

[missallycat]

I love the similarities, despite knowing these two have their own story to write, I can’t help to love all the little similarities ASP threw in there.

[queenofthenorths]

yeah, just like that → a rory & logan ‘a year in the life’ mix

“once in a lifetime experience.” “only if you want it to be.” {listen}

[missallycat]

checking these to see if I add them to the playlist follow it on spotify https://open.spotify.com/user/12148222363/playlist/3Mvh7myY3RDKyXUOPc4ZiY

[rory-logan-shipper]

BREAK THROUGH

Ok so everyone says the same thing that happened to Lorelai and Christopher and Luke with happen to Rory and she will end up with Jess but no the same thing will happen… it’s just that Rory will be Luke and Logan with be Lorelai. Even if Rory has to wait for Logan to marry Odette they’ll get divorced and Rory and Logan will have what Luke and Lorelai have

[missallycat]

They will write their own story but is true Rory is more like her father and Luke

[gilmoregirlsedits]

[missallycat]

THIS!! lol <3 love this!

[missallycat]

Once in the friendzone always a Martyzoned

I don’t like Marty. I don’t understand how is “Team Marty” a thing, how it’s even in existence.

Let’s start with who is naked guy... I’m sorry but so many people insist he was treated badly and I have to say BY WHO?? Other than Colin a couple of times (because they only see each other a couple of times) when was he treated badly? By Logan because he didn’t remember him? They weren’t friends, my guess is they didn’t have classes together since Logan was a year or two ahead in school and lets face it, Logan when he first shows up he partied hard, why did he have an obligation to remember a guy he had hired to work at a party? The “I’m seeing a uniform” thing... I don’t know if it was offensive or him just being “high” lol actually I could be wrong but when Logan first shows up I didn’t like him as much although he did make me laugh, and I really thought he was high lol the way he walked and talked in that first encounter, the squint saying I’m seeing a uniform of some kind... Or maybe he simply didn't remember because why would you if you only see them in a specific context sporadically, why would you remember someone who wasn't your friend or classmate? I get it can be seen as mocking but I honestly thought it was more for the viewers to mock Logan as “frat boy probably high or drunk out of his ass in broad daylight, doesn’t even remember his own name”, than for Logan to mock Marty. Other than that, Marty was always treated with courtesy by Logan (he offered to treat him and that wasn’t meant to be offensive, why would Marty agree to go to the friggin chinese restaurant KNOWING how these guys spent money, when he didn’t have money to pay for himself!? who was to guess he didn’t have money? Why is it so horrible to offer to treat him, is it because it was another guy? because he was interested in Rory? I thought that one was bad on Marty). Colin not so much, but I always thought Marty had a deep inferiority complex. Colin insulted again and Logan gave him a look, again saying although non verbally this time, "don't be an ass". But this time Marty was out of earshot.

Why is it assumed that because a guy is interested in you, and is apparently nice to you, you automatically have to fall head over heels for him??? Why?? Because he happens to be a guy and you’re a girl so you have to take the first dude who happens to be civil because otherwise you’re at risk of what... the big bad wolf? Of actually dating someone you’re... what’s that word again, oh yes ATTRACTED to?

Don’t get me wrong, when we first met Marty (I mean really meet him not naked drunkard passed out in the hallway nor trying to humiliate Rory in her pj’s and bringing her to his creeper friends who say “oh yes nice robe we all took turns trying it on”, seriously? that’s how you try to win a girl?) despite the trying to humiliate her, I liked him, I thought HOW COOL!!! Now Rory can have an actual GUY friend, someone who will be like the male version of Lane, a masculine (softer lol) counterpart for Paris. Other than Michel (but in a little aspect as much as I positively LOVE him, he doesn’t count, I’ll get to it in a sec) the Gilmore girls don’t have any guy friends, straight guy friends who aren’t romantically involved with their closest girl friends (I love Michel but not only was he Lorelai’s friend not Rory’s and older than her, he was also gay so in the not attratcted to them part he’s already not attracted to women), men who while unattached, instead of drooling over them choose to be just friends with them, men who could be into them but really aren’t. 

We saw Rory get rejected by William the laundry guy (now him I thought looked cute too bad nothing but humiliation afterwards came from that, for Rory lol) but we don’t see either Rory or Lorelai have actual guy friends who aren’t into them. Lorelai and Luke were friends for years but there was always this undercurrent of “more” between them. So when I saw Marty appear and I thought FINALLY a new kind of friendship. And at first things seemed to go very well, they were friends and he was funny and they had movie nights and they’d study that was fun

lol I mean he would even try to go head to head with Paris (losing of course but one had to give it to the guy for the sense of humor). 

Two things were perfectly and absolutely clear from day one

1. Rory had ZERO romantic interest in him whatsoever  

2. Marty never made a move for Rory. 

Yes we saw that Marty started taking SOME interest in Rory, asking her if she had a boyfriend, and trying to see how that was doing, but seriously dude? seriously? That’s how you work it? You’re just cowardly feeling out the land to see if she might reject you before you even try? We, viewers saw that, but Rory just saw her friend, a guy to talk to. 

Say whatever you like about the Rory boyfriends or crushes even if you like them or not EACH OF THE GUYS: from Dean to Tristan to Jess to Logan (heck even poor one date Trevor), they all made their intentions perfectly clear once they were into her. Even Logan, he didn’t want to make an actual final big move because he didn’t want a relationship but he flirted with her, he always was very clear like he was interested in her and after that, they started being together and then they got in a relationship. 

Marty was sort of a pet, a lapdog (I love dogs, I have a lapdog, is not an attractive quality outside the canine world) and a sort of a doormat, always ready to be at her feet at her side, at her beck and call.

Why must she owe him anything simply because she was his friend and he felt something else? Facts are:

- Dude never ever asked her out on a date

- He never ONCE said he was interested in her (before it was SPELLED out to him that she wasn’t during Chilton’s little Anna visiting

- In fact when he asked her if she was with anyone, he said I’m just curious, which prompted her to go looking for who? Oh that’s right, NOT Marty ;)

- He was a sort of a lapdog poor thing. 

I feel bad saying it but he was always at her beck and call always around her yet never actually trying to get her attention, never even trying to flirt with her or complimenting her, never ONCE even attempting to ask her out. He was a bit of a doormat, always ready to be relied on, stepped on, never saying no, never denying anything, never having anything else to do but be around her... She liked him as a friend, she considered him a good guy, but he was always going to be a friend and nothing more because he put himself in that spot all on his own and then actually got mad because he had it spelled out.

I mean the guy had clearly SPELLED OUT he was considered a friend, and at first I felt sorry for him. I felt really bad for him because he had been sort of a pet, not really considered a guy not even considered a best friend...

But then this “wonderful” friend decides to simply bolt, he dissapears after sending Rory back in a taxi during the whole Anna debacle and he doesn’t talk to his friend. Same friend he used to visit and talk to daily, he just stops showing up, and so when she suddenly sees him outside decides to try and talk to him, invite him to watch movies, to hang out as they used to, to try and reconect their friendship, and is perfectly clear she was still treating him as a friend, Rory was always a little self centered to notice and honestly, which one of us at 19 in that situation would have noticed the very subtle signals almost non existent that Marty had? And what signals were those? He was at her beck and call, that’s friendship, rather too “doormat-y” because he’d never say no to her, he’d never hang out with other people and her, just always hovered around her, he came running when she called and he asked if she had a boyfriend “just out of curiosity”... are those signals? 

See, I’m one of those people who think men and women can be friends if they want to, no extras whatsoever just friendship, I have guy friends who are my closest friends who treat me like another guy sometimes or sometimes like a sister depending if they’re being annoying or protective. I’m an adult yet I jump up and down while grabbing my best friend’s arm (a guy) while he indulgently rolls his eyes at me (lol) and tells me to calm down. I would hug my guy friends or hang of their arm WHEN is someone I really see as a friend. I don’t see how watching movies with a friend or studying with him, even having her feet on his legs for a while (at 19 I really don’t see the bad of it) I don’t see how that is leading him on. Why? Because she’s a girl and he’s a guy? I’d put my legs up on my best friend’s bed (girl this time) or on top of her legs while watching movies, if she was gay or we were both gay then I’d be leading her on? Or is that only because it was Marty on the recieving end and Rory on the unconscious end? Will it be the same if Marty hadn’t been interested and Rory had, would people still assume he SHOULD have gone out with her? he SHOULD have been interested in her?

I always thought Rory treated Marty as a friend, why shouldn’t she try and invite him to watch movies (Duck soup) when she didn’t know why he had briefly lost touch with her? He only stated he was into her when it was perfectly obvious, after she had already SPELLED IT OUT loud and clear in his face that he was nothing more than a friend to her, when it was clear to a blind man that she was already involved with Logan, that’s when this great friend decides to make a move on her? Why? because that way he can have the excuse to be butthurt and bolt.  See that’s my problem with Marty, I think with friends like that, who needs enemies?.

Marty is this guy who constantly put friendship coins in the little “relationship with Rory” machine, and when “love” or “sex” wouldn’t come out he got offended, angry and left his friend. If it was only that, I’d probably still feel only mildly annoyed over Marty and a little sorry for him and that would be that, but on season 7 he had to show up again... why, Marty? why didn’t you stay doing musicals?

He shows up and instead of being for example “oh hey yes I knew you, you know life, work, school crazy stuff how have you been haven’t seen you since freshman year” or such “crazy how people can lose touch huh?” I mean that would have been a lie but he wouldn’t have seemed like this sad little character who didn’t get over his one sided crush with Rory EVEN while being in a relationship with someone else! WHY??? He could have been awkward but over her, but no, Instead he pretends he doesn’t know her and becomes monosyllabic idiot who grunts and makes Rory uncomfortable. (I’m not defending Rory in this little part, she should have said something after the initial shock, she should have spoken up and confronted him and told Lucy but I’m not talking about that right now) I never understood why he came back? to create a conflict between Rory and her new friends? To make a fight between Logan and Rory? I stopped being sorry for Marty right after Anna shows up to break havock at Yale and I started REALLY hating Marty when he came back in season 7. If only he had stayed as a friend, if only he hadn’t come back as this pathetic little man with a huge inferiority complex, reverse snobbery and still drooling over some girl who had only ever treated him as FRIENDS! from day one!!!! They didn’t even become an item or even kissed, nothing, he was this sad little man still hung up on a first year crush. Oh Marty, you could have been as cool as Lane, but you had to go and ruin everything. For all of the above I just really really REALLY don’t like Marty

[beverlycrushr]

Sophies meme | 10 kisses

[beverlycrushr]

Sophies meme | 10 kisses

[hntzberger]

aka. the moment Rory wants to say something and Logan’s waiting for her to say it and she just doesn’t

[missallycat]

I don’t like Jess for Rory

and neither does Rory actually… if you think about it

 This has been a long time coming and I always was asked to explain why I dislike Jess, for Rory. I don’t hate Jess, as a character I think his backgrounds are interesting and his lashing out understandable because of it. As a teacher I feel for the past they recreate in that character, and his troubles because IRL I know men who have a similar background history. But that doesn’t mean I have to like him… much less believe even in the slighest he’s “the best choice” for Rory or “the only one who truly understands her”. Sorry no, my one and only choice for Rory will always be Logan, why? Because to me if you watch the show and the revival is clear as day who she chooses to be with, and who she turns to. Each and every time regardless on how many times they say goodbye.

I don’t like Jess because he first arrived and was totally not just disrespectful but downright insulting to Lorelai, (honestly the pie comments were far too wholesome I would have slapped his rude mouth and tossed him out). He was a guest in her house and he basically called her a whore because she was talking kindly about her friend. 

He’s rude to Luke and I get it, he’s angry he’s upset to be sent like a package by a mother who is the only parent he has, who can’t control him and doesn’t want to deal with him because she doesn’t know how to be a parent, but at the same time loved him enough to want to do better for him because she knows she can't succeed, so sends him to the one person she KNOWS AND TRUSTS who might make a difference with him, the one person who always helps her. If she didn't care for her son she would have let him be whatever, let him get in trouble, let him end up in jail or worse who knows, but she loved her son enough to want to do something for him that she knew was beyond her. So she sends him away, and I get it, he arrives like a package without a choice, to this little weird town where he doesn’t know anyone or understands if he suddenly landed in a loony bin or in an alien planet (I mean I feel for the guy, he goes out and sees people hanging garlands and little kids doing cartweels and suddenly a mother and daughter wearing THE SAME ONESIE! I mean WTF??! lol I understand his dismay, I do! Lol). I get it and I feel for him, however I don’t find it an excuse and carte blanche for him to be rude to everyone and treat the entire world as if they were beneath him nor I give him the pass for being the crappiest boyfriend to Rory, those things don’t excuse him. However I simply don’t like him FOR Rory because Rory doesn’t like him for Rory. 

Most of Jess’ growth is assumed and not seen, I think is fantastic he lost the MASSIVE chip on his shoulder and started taking responsibility for his life and wrote a book, however we have no clue of what his personal life, because we barely see anything of that when he reappears, and why? Because the writers didn’t consider him that relevant to the show, or maybe he wasn’t that interested but still point is he wasn’t that relevant to the story. He had already been written out and the writers didn’t consider relevant to the story to know Jess’ personal life and backgrounds from the time he wasn’t around, because he was no longer important as any more than to make an effect then be on his way.

Dean, before leaving, had a background and a story, when he came back in the revival too, Logan had a story, he was seen in his many wrongs and in his growth and most of all and I can’t emphasize this enough: His RESPECT for Rory’s will. Say what you want about the situation and whatever Logan’s mistakes have been and whatever Rory AND Logan’s mistakes have been. He was always upfront and clear with Rory from day 1 onwards, he’s still waiting for her but at the same time he’s not hiding anything from her. And while neither of the boyfriends were perfect ever, far, far from it, Jess takes the prize (of the worst one) because he was by far the most disrespectful one and the one who, in the limited time, treated Rory the worst. And present tense (and past) Rory rejected him flat out multiple times in the original show: 

1. The infamous Keg! Max! Incident. We will dwell on that one later on but for now let’s just get to the gist. She said wait, she said no, and he kept going. And if you are of the argument that her protests were too feeble and that’s why he kept going thinking she was game, or that because she went up there she was game, then please grab the nearest brick before I can and throw it at you. No means NO, paraphrasing Paris, “male, female or hermaphrodite” no means no, period.

2. The silent phone call after Chilton graduation: She kept getting hang ups so she finally understands it must be Jess because as usual he doesn’t willingly comunicate so she uses the the chance in order to say her goodbyes. Rejection number 2: “…that’s it for me. I’m going to Europe tomorrow and I’m going to Yale and I’m moving on. And I’m not going to pine. I hope you didn’t think I was going to pine, okay? I think…I think I may have loved you, but I just need to let it go. So, that’s it, I guess.” She wanted him there but since he had yet again failed she decided the only thing left to do was move on. Once Rory makes up her mind about things, she stays headstrong until the end.

Let’s not forget this is the swell boyfriend that after making her feel bad for not sleeping with him (no, it wasn’t his intention but that’s what happened) he went to explain but instead saw her talking to another guy, got jealous, made a snide remark got in a fight and wouldn’t talk to her at all, until she happened to find him in the same bus by chance. Why by chance, you say? Because he admitted taking a later bus. So he wouldn’t have to face her and say goodbye. Left without explanations and then kept calling and hanging up on her because he couldn’t even get the nerve to ask for forgiveness. ("Ghosting, because I'd rather at once show you I'm an asshole than slowly let you know that I suck")

3. When he tried to get her out of Yale, “come with me let’s start over but away from this place we’ll go to New York, we’ll live together we’ll work”, she said no, he said “only say no if you really don’t want to be with me” and she said, guess what? NO. I get it he was desperate because he was finally owning up to his feelings of loving her and he wanted her to go with him there and then because he felt his window of oportunity was shutting down if it wasn’t shut already so he went and he pushed and pushed until he got a firm and loud NO.

And let’s dwell on this for a bit. People say Jess was the only one who really understood how much she loved college, because he really loved her… How is a guy who pretty much proposed her to drop out of college the one and only who truly understands her love for studying? He showed up out of nowhere after once again leaving (not forgetting his previous pop up where he said he loved her and bolted) with no contact at all nor any explanations about his behavior (season 4) and to come get away, run away with him to New York, to what? Oh that’s right to live in a filthy mattress with view to the mold (Luke’s words and let’s face it, the truth) in a crappy apartment with 10 other people. He didn’t ask her to leave to go on a vacation he proposed to live and work in NY. With no qualifications, a Rory who had been trained for nothing in the real world. Who hadn’t even worked in a store yet ever before. What would she have done? Hmm waitressing in NY, probably a messenger too, with crappy hours and crappy pay until she got bored of the boho life (which was never her style to begin with) and went back to Lorelai and back to where? Ah that’s right the place Jess was demanding she dropped off.

4. Season 6 comes, (after the yelling, we’ll get back to it, don’t you worry) after an entire season without him and we find Rory in a fight with Logan. When she went to his open house she was mad at Logan yet she didn’t want Jess, she wanted to use him, she told him she loved Logan. Plain and simple.

Let’s go back for a sec to a moment before in season 6. Him getting credit for getting her back to Yale, I’m sorry but to me is ridiculous. To make him look like the knight in shining armor the one and only who saved her is, to me, just plain ridiculous and also underestimates and insults Rory. He came, yelled, she was already shaken and thinking what am I doing, she sees this guy who had nothing and had accomplished something big professionally and since she was ALREADY shaken she got shaken a bit more and made her choice to go back. I’m not saying he was useless, neither am I saying he didn’t have any influence, he did but it was his presence and what he had accomplished while she had nothing in the works (by her own choice) and he was the last drop that spilled her glass that was already brimming. She was already headed that way. It was HER CHOICE, nobody MADE her go back, Rory may be indecisive so many times and insecure but when it comes to her own life, in the nitty gritty she’s nobody’s pushover. Lorelai knew, Logan knew, Lane knew, SHE.COULDN’T.BE.FORCED. Rory needed to decide on her own, she needed to learn from her OWN mistakes and make her own choices to find her way back. Had Jess come to shout earlier in her path he wouldn’t have made a single difference; He comes out of nowhere and with no previous contact whatsoever, shouts or gives an idea then disappears again. He left her without so much as a goodbye (after the yelling) or actually breaking up (when he first left town) with her. And this is the guy who KNOWS her best? Someone who she doesn’t talk to in years at the time? hmmm…

5. Revival, they talk like old friends who haven’t seen or known of each other for quite a while (YEARS actually hmmm interesting friendship when they haven’t known of each other at all for years) yet she doesn’t share that much with him not even her difficulties while writing. Is a good conversation, is fun and I personally was so happy to see him for the first time EVER, I was so happy to see Jess, he seemed calmer, he seemed in a better place, more grounded, he genuinely tried to give his best advice as someone who was involved in a similar field of work.

But here’s the thing… Why is his growth made SUCH A BIG DEAL? So he grew up! Was he expected to still be a sulky bratty disrespectful punk of a teenage boy at age 32, 33?? Wouldn’t that be sad? If a grown ass MAN was still acting like a resentful teenage BOY? I would feel so sad and it would feel so unrealistic for a human being with a minimum level of intelligence (and Jess has a good level of it) to NOT grow u and leave the ‘tude behind? It would be dumb if he didn’t, is only NATURAL for him to change and grow up, why shouldn’t he? Or are the expectations for his character so PAINFULLY low from his own adoring fans that they expected no change in him from ages 19, 20 to ages 32, 33? Did they really except him to still be the same and that’s why his growth is so highlighted when it should be a natural thing? He was supposed to stop being a sulky disrespectful child at some point. What else do we know about him? Is there a mention of him having a successful relationship with anyone in all these years? Or even a semi committed relationship that in the end just parted ways? Is there any mention of him having had that? No. Because it wasn’t relevant because we don’t have to know if he is in a better place in the romantic world, because (and I can’t stress this enough: HE 👏 ISN’T 👏 A 👏 ROMANTIC 👏 INTEREST 👏 FOR RORY 👏. ASP said it best, Jess and Dean were not meant to be forever. (even though she compared Dean to prince Charming and she said Jess is now family).

So back to the revival conversation (notice how she does not hug her friend even though she hasn’t seen him for years? She doesn’t even come near him, yet she hugs plenty of other people she hasn’t seen in a while) He suggests out of the blue: a book. Why? “he knows her better than anyone!” I hear you say. Sorry, no. He knows Rory as well as anyone who knows Rory. In the words of Dean “A book. Well, you’ve read them all, what’s next is writing them”. He gives a good idea, spends a couple of minutes talking to her, then goes his way, as usual because why not? He’s got his life, he’s got his stuff, he’s always in the moment kind of guy. Is not that he doesn’t feel love (Milo’s words) but is not the romantic love anymore. Rory is Rory she’s in her own world, lost at the moment but finding her path again enthusiastic about the new idea given by Jess. She tells Logan all about it and about her struggles in the meantime, and goes to Logan when she can’t understand her mom and is fighting with her, she tells Lane about it, she meets Dean by chance and HUGS Dean, and tells him about it while thanking him about being such a fantastic first boyfriend for her. And Jess… she jumps up and down excitedly without showing her author friend her pages, and grabbing the front of his shirt and his jacket… why? because he happened to be there.

Now, having finished with the plain and clear rejections. Let’s go back to the first one.

Keg! Max! Makes me mad for many reasons the main one being that she had to PUSH HIM OFF OF HER for him to react. I am completely, 100% sure he wasn’t going to rape her or even hurt her. I’m sure that wasn’t the intention nor the purpose EVER, but the fact he needed to be pushed is what makes me mad and is inexcusable. She was trying to find out what was wrong with him because she was worried, but since he didn’t want to talk he tried to distract her by kissing her and lowering her on the bed to carry with the next “order of business” as a way to shut her up. 

I get it, teens and hormones (although 18, not really THAT excused) but I’m not saying he needed to jump away from her the very second she said wait, he could have kissed her and ASKED what was wrong; he didn’t need to jump, just pause without having to be pushed! He yelled at her and that also makes me mad. I also understand he was frustrated about other things and took it out on her, that the yelling wasn’t really about that and that he felt bad for saying it and was planning to perhaps distract her say it wasn’t his intention or that he’d do better next time, because let’s face it, did he ever actually explain anything owned up to his mistakes? Did he ever apologize for anything, that we see during his time? He’d distract her, try his best to make up but that’s the point he just NEVER talked, (”I don’t know why he was mad at me I don’t know IF he was mad at me because he NEVER tells me anything” Rory’s words). He was just plain rude (rude to her grandma too but let’s not dwell on that) because in his mind actually doing something nice for his girlfriend, and actually communicate with his girlfriend made him a pushover. 

The fight with Dean I actually understand, because if I came out of a room crying because of a fight with a guy and guy then showed up behind me annoyed (annoyed! He actually scoffed!), I have a good number of friends who would want his head, metaphorically speaking of course, even now as an adult. I get he didn’t yell really because she wouldn’t sleep with him but what really pisses me off is that he had to be pushed to react and move (his intention wasn’t to force her because he could have easily done that) then yelled and had the gall to be annoyed and afterwards radio silence, no apology no explanation he simply left and if they hadn’t seen each other by chance she wouldn’t have even seen him that time because he purposely took a later bus. 

The Keg! Max! scene in Kyle’s bedroom is inexcusable and there is no coming back from it period, in my opinion, because how can you trust someone who never explains or apologizes and you never know why things happen with him or what is he going through. 

I don’t think Jess is bad nor that he ever had bad intentions towards Rory, I’m 100% convinced that’s not the case. But he IS a bad boyfriend and that scene is so uncomfortable to me even though I had never had a similar experience and it makes me so mad every time I force myself to rewatch it to make sure I’m not judging too hard. I’m not. Jess wasn’t even a hormone filled teen here. He was 18. He didn’t want to have a conversation and tried to use sex as a distraction, as something interesting to make it happen, both to forget about his problems and get Rory to stop talking and questioning what happened. 

Why is Rory blamed for “forcing” him to talk and he isn’t for trying to force her to have sex with him? That’s what ended up happening. It wasn’t his intention or his plan, absolutely, granted; he did back off, granted; he never meant to hurt her, totally granted. Thing is he wasn’t a hormone riddled 15 year old (and even then, how about RESPECT someone who you apparently like? Never mind he wasn’t taught better, is common sense you don’t push your wants on someone who doesn’t want them, I like this person then I don’t want this person to feel bad because of me), he was a tad older and one would expect a bit smarter, and he knew this would be Rory’s first time but he didn’t ask her to consent, he didn’t pause to make sure she wanted that, to make sure she agreed or was comfortable, in fact he didn’t really care at first when she started to show being uncomfortable. He didn’t ask if she was OK. Instead, he was only caring about himself. He didn’t even wait to ask her how she was feeling, actually he wasn’t very interested in that… and this wasn’t a random teen at a party, this was supposed to be her boyfriend, and in the words of people of Team Jess, the one who loved her and understood her… yet she had to push him off and he still didn’t care about her comfort level he snapped at her berating her why did she come there that he didn’t force her, so on top of pushing he made her feel like crap in what was almost her first time. 

Now, on adult, revival Jess:

I like that later on when he shows up, seems to have dropped most of the ‘tude but what happens in his personal life we don’t have a clue and we see a Rory who, rejects him flat out (season 4), basically says she regrets leaving Dean for him (same season), uses him and tells him she loves someone else (season 6) and hasn’t had contact with him in years and barely tells him much about her writing or personal issues when they talk, doesn’t show him her pages (hello, he’s a writer why not discuss that with him?) and then barely grabs his sleeve and the front of his t-shirt when she’s happy jumping excitedly around him (may I add, the jumping happily is not ABOUT him? He just happened to be there), yet she doesn’t hug her supposed friend at all in any point? (revival) Rory doesn’t want Jess for Rory from what is shown, doesn’t she deserve the chance to be with the one she obviously chooses? And honestly, in my opinion, Jess deserves better than to apparently pine away after 10 years for a girl who doesn’t show any interest in him. So no, I’m not team Jess for Rory because Rory isn’t team Jess for Rory. And I’m damn glad, Milo seems to be of the same opinion and so it would appears, are the writers.

Just:

[missallycat]

Support system and knowledge

I was watching Friday Night is all right for fighting (as well as enjoying the previous episodes and most of seasons 6 and 7) and as much as I don't like the L&L problems, I’m not here to discuss them. I love the paper stuff from that episode. When Logan comes in and starts smiling at her explanations on what happened to everyone and how the paper wasn’t going to come out and how she was trying to do all kinds of things, and he just nods and smiles at her. First of all I LOVE IT that he wasn't mad at all, he didn't care that she forgot to tell him about how she couldn't make it to their date, he didn't care that she was now too busy to even think about going out or even reschedule. He was all "ok, now let's do this!".

To me this proves his always having Rory's back, he hated the paper stuff but he's smart and knows it so since she needs all the help she can get, he jumps in to help her and boy! is all boss mode for him!! She didn’t even think of calling him and that’s what makes him happier, she doesn’t even consider “using” him, she knows he hates all that stuff all she wants is to focus on the task at hand, and THAT is what he loves about her, how she doesn’t want something from him, not the use of his name to gain time, she wasn’t even aware of his writing skills! And that’s why he loves her, this is a woman who doesn’t need anything from him but in the back she does need him so he’s willing to do anything for her because of the love they share. I know he makes fun and says you owe me big for this, but he's there, he's not bored out of his skull waiting to see at what time will she be done so we can go, nor he storms off because he’s not going to be “somebody’s wuss”, This is a man who knows his stuff and knows she needs him so he simply jumps to the task at hand. Even while throwing a little fun in the way.

I love how he simply gets involved because she needs it, that's the best he could have done to win her over and I actually think that a lot of the time he was her best support system other than Lorelai, because let's face it, Rory isn't really that strong, every failure every setback if she didn't have someone constantly pushing her to keep on going, she would have just stayed put, she needed someone to be her support system. Her grandfather was in a big way part of her support system but for him it was more "you're a Gilmore, of course you can do it all", so for her it was an added of the pressure of carrying the name and the legacy to excel, Lorelai was all the time her constant support but when Lorelai stepped back to let Rory take the reigns is when usually Rory would just fall on her face.

I think that, as much as I love Rory and I do, she needs this constant help, this constant support, this constant "cheering" for her, that's why she was so lost in the revival, she has drilled in her brain that she has to excel in the first try and she has to do it without anyone’s help because everyone is convinced she can and will do amazing in everything she tries that when she doesn’t she just doesn’t know what to do without a constant person who got her back who tells her she can move forward, who will argue with her who will motivate her to do best, who will be a sounding board when she needs one or a hug when she needs one.

Revival Rory, she had lost her grandfather, she wasn't telling Lorelai everything that had her troubled and she kept Logan at arms lenght, only in her terms because she was afraid to fully commit and lose herself, without realizing she was already lost. She thinks she’s going to be steamrolled by the power of his name and his contacts and how he’s also doing well on his own talents DESPITE his family name (because lets face it, if he sucked, he would have become a decorative figure in his family world) she fears she’s going to be overshadowed by his impulsiveness, she fears that she will not be able to keep a grasp on who she is,  when all he wants is to be there, support her, love her, join her, he would have jumped right in had she let him... I find that many people are so busy critisizing Rory for her flaws (that she has plenty) that not always do they fully understand what a huge support Logan was for Rory. Yes she changed him for the better. She inspired him to work hard, to make efforts, to stand up for himself, to find his own way, to really focus and be serious, she made a lot of positive change in him, but he was the support and the fun she always needed too and that's what I love about their relationship, how much they complement each other. How well they can support each other emotionally. He was always there for her whenever she needed him even if she didn’t tell him to come. He was far from perfect but he always knew how to be there for her

From all the three guys that were in a relationship with Rory and Marty who attempted a twisted version of friendship with her, Logan was the one who actually took time to know her. Not assume who she was or make conclussions or try to see if she could fit in a version they understood, he got to know her gestures to know her habits. Even from the start he always knew how and where to find her (when Anna visits he “coincidentally” finds Rory in the library, a place he never goes to, he just happens to know her class schedule even though they don’t have any classes together or common friends, to make a joke in order to get her attention (dammit Gilmore! give them back their balls!!),) even when they were fighting he knew how to reach her or find out where she was.

Logan is a guy who knew how to support her knowing how stubborn she really is and knew that she wouldn't have listened to anyone when she dropped out of Yale, he knew like Lorelai that she needed to be truly ready to go back on her own. Rory needed someone in her life who supported her no matter what, or else she would have been floating on air, she didn't want to listen to anyone so at least Logan was there to join her. 

Now this is a guy who lived his life partying and he didn’t deny it, he didn't put it on hold and she willingly joined in, and learned to enjoy the world of the privileged and leisure, but he was always there waiting for her, waiting for her to go back to school, waiting for her to decide on her own, waiting for her to take the last step, waiting for her to decide. He was the most supportive of her of all the guys, because he was always there for her he didn't just say something and left, he was her support system too. He had many flaws but even in the revival that is clear to see, he loves her so much he’s willing to wait 40 years for her, like in the twilight zone, we see a Logan in the revival who is on hold, he hasn’t moved on, he hasn’t gone forward either, he’s worked, he’s succeeded but he hasn’t closed that door, he’s been in suspended animation. That’s why the revival felt so odd to so many, like time hadn’t passed. It was the long morrow, he had put himself in suspended animation waiting for her to come back. He was always waiting for her to decide, to take a step, He loved her so much he was willing to wait for her to be ready to be with him, all she has to do is ask.

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