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They deserved a better writer.
every day i wake up and hate the finale a little bit more. what do you mean you made me watch them kill themselves with zero prior indication this is where the story was going. what do you mean the threads introduced in the previous season got absolutely zero resolution. what do you mean new threads were introduced on a significantly smaller runtime just to also get no resolution. what do you mean the ultimate message is that the only way to fix something broken is to destroy it and start over. what do you mean this is good omens
the thing...the thing is that...the part that really gets me...
It's that Crowley fell out of love with Aziraphale, I don't know how else I'm supposed to read this characterization I saw on my television screen.
It's part of the just complete thrashing Aziraphale receives in the finale for no fucking reason, but Crowley absolutely does not care to give Aziraphale one fucking inch of compassion or understanding. Even when Aziraphale is asking for it, openly. Standing to the side while God tears Aziraphale to shreds, looking on at it smugly like you seriously want me to believe there is a universe in which Crowley would find satisfaction in Aziraphale being hurt. What The Absolute Fuck.
And then the dream that Crowley has been holding onto for the longest time in the narrative, 'Our Side, A Group of the Two of Us, We'll run away together, We Could have been Us.' is just thrown away.
Crowley gave up on that dream, he was the one in the end to give up on them - which is endlessly ironic given how that's what Aziraphale has been accused of in this fandom since the s2 finale - and asks Aziraphale to give up on it too (for nothing)
And then he sees Aziraphale crying, and see's Aziraphale swallow his words and his pain and you're telling me Crowley isn't interested to hear what Aziraphale is really thinking or feeling at all?
You want me to believe there is a world in which Crowley isn't devastated that Aziraphale is too afraid to say something to him? Of all people?
And frankly, I just don't buy it, I refuse it patently, there is simply no way that Crowley falls out of love with Aziraphale after 6000 years because they had an argument and he got his feelings hurt.
Aziraphale didn't do anything to deserve this treatment from him, he's being a fucking prick, withholding affection and love and forgiveness from someone because they 'wronged you' instead of talking about it is fucking toxic. There is simply no way, that destroys the finales legitimacy in one fell swoop, done deal. That's not Crowley.
Ya know what, I feel really compelled to say this, bombs away;
I really really don't care for the way people who are critical of the finale are treated in the main populated spaces of the Good Omens fandom. and that's why I'm not there.
If you want to play on that side of the sandbox, if you want to get out the board and the red strings and try to manufacture, from absolutely nothing but hopes and dreams, a happy ending for characters we know are dead, then more power to you, have fun.
But don't be surprised and angry when we don't want to do that, and don't act as if that your theories are the end all be all and if anyone dares to not eat it, demand they we leave the space because we're too negative, that's not cool.
On top of that, if you choose to butt into a conversation where people are critical of the finale and fan theories and that bursts your bubble, its also not cool to go and paint anyone critical of the finale as bullies.
Especially when :) there is a not insubstantial amount of people :) just straight up do bully people upon any hint that they aren't on 'your side.'
Making hateful illustrations, telling people to just 'shut up and enjoy it already', putting people critical of the finale in the same category as bigots.
In another life we could have all been friends, it just makes me really sad.
Me reading good omens book: uninhibited joy and exhilaration
Me watching GO1: I have lived to see the day in which a book so adored by the masses(and me) get an adaptation worthy of it!
Me watching GO2(although I did like parts of it) and GO3: ABORT MISSION ABORT MISSION
I recently read the book and found this sparkly little apple of a show dangling in my feed urging me to watch it. And the absolute horror I am met with when I watched GO3 on the same day as GO2. I was baffled by this sheer monstrosity. I'm beyond grateful for all of you who showed up to this platform and expressed your disappointment; finding people who shared my thoughts has been a great help in processing everything that has happened. And I can only hope to understand the feeling of being absolutely betrayed after years and years of waiting and watching something important to you come to this vile culmination. My thoughts go out to you and David Tennant and Micheal Sheen, who went with the script as far as they can.
P.s. Looking back I can't help but remember this one post credits scene from cowboy bebop in which spike tells kids something along the lines of 'it is okay to watch it given that you are 1000m away from the tv' and that is exactly what I'd like to say to anyone who loved the book and wants to watch GO3.
Radio Omens!
Oh look, another opinion on GO3, because why not at this point
I have nothing new to add. I'm not going to say anything insightful, or clever, or witty. These are just my own personal feelings, and I finally need to say them somewhere.
The thing is, I'm sad. GO3 just makes me sad. Not sad like a terrible tragedy has occurred, not any more, more like the kind of sadness you feel when you think about a dead pet. Not a recent one. Like a dead pet from ten years ago. I think of GO3 and I just feel sad and kind of...flat.
And I have tried! I have! I've read analyses from both 'sides' (god I hate that we have sides now). I've tried to convince myself of its merit. I was so prepared to love it, I would have forgiven almost anything for a happy ending. Does that make me shallow? Stupid?I feel like an idiot. Why can't I appreciate the 'in every universe' ending? Why doesn't it work for me? Why are they alive for some people, but for me they're just dead?
I feel so flat I've even run out of steam on this post, so...that's the end.
P.S. Fanfiction helps, as ever.
Maybe Iâd be more impressed with the Finale having room for sooooo many possible interpretations if it wasnât for the fact all of these interpretations are fucking dismal!
Like, Crowley and Aziraphale reincarnating into Anthony and Asa is probably the one GO3 interpretation/copium thatâs closest to being, like, an actual âHappy Endingâ for them in terms of narrative and themes and character.
Itâs still pretty sucky! Giving the Ineffable Husbands their ââromantic happy endingââ not by emotionally resolving the issues raised in the Final Fifteen (and beyond, and before), but by basically resetting them into a blank slate that never hurt each other and donât even seem to have the personal and interpersonal flaws that caused the issues in the first place makes their relationship and love seem a lot weaker, implying they could never actually overcome their issues. And itâs also a very Magical way to solve one of the central emotional conflicts of the show in an ending thatâs supposed to be about the joys of mundanity. And itâs kinda counterproductive to the message of appreciating the imperfection of human existence when the limited time we have with Asa and Anthony only allows us to see very superficial flaws about their own lives and they otherwise feel much more inhuman and imperfect compared to the very messy and very human Aziraphale and Crowley. And it hurts the message of appreciating Humanity in general that Asa and Anthony are like the blandest, least compelling, most desaturated versions of Aziraphale and Crowley ever. Like, if these are really the versions of Crowley and Aziraphale that have True Free WillTM, they shouldâve gotten even weirder. Oh! And of course it weakens the theme of âFree Willâ if they were somehow âdestinedâ to meet and fall in love. And then of course, you can raise the Jim Question, that even if these are Crowley and Aziraphaleâs consciousnesses, can they be said to be Crowley and Aziraphale without their memories? And the question of whatever any sort of reincarnation should even exist in a âGoddlessâ Universe. And that it really removes a lot of their appeal to take away their 6000 years of history and Slow Burn and loving against the odds and replacing it with a very generic Meet Cute. And also of course, some people would always be devastated that Crowley and Aziraphale seemed like theyâre going to have an Eternity together and they only ended up with 40-30 years.
BUT EVEN WITH ALL OF THAT SAID (and maybe a few more complaints I forgot), this is STILL the least bad ending possibility of the Finale, both for the characters and the narrative as a whole. Obviously the Worst Option is that Crowley and Aziraphale are just straight-up permadead. But a lot of the other options people have suggested to make that ending âhappyâ are still, in fact, kinda Worse than Crowley and Aziraphale spending 40-30 amnesiac years together. Like, the concept of Ineffable Husbands as a Reincarnation Romance or a Multiversal Constant only weakens the appeal of the Husbands as a love that triumphed against the odds and the theme of Free WillTM (not to mention that with how little actual reconciliation Crowley and Aziraphale had, how many of these times they âfoundâ each other they were actually happy and functional?). And then there are the âHappy Endingsâ that take the Husbands away from Earth and Humanity, put them in a Snowglobe or âthe Garden of Edenâ or outer space or whatever, when the entire original concept around which their storyline in the original book revolved around, the Humanist theme they originally conveyed, is that thereâs nothing more wonderful than the experience of living in our world among the Humans, and this is so wonderful and important and fun to them that itâs worth defying both Heaven and Hell to preserve. Itâs almost as hard to image a âHappy Endingâ for them that separates them from that human world as it is to imagine a âHappy Endingâ that keeps them apart from each other. Especially as so many interpretations put them into the exact same stagnant unchanging eternities they were afraid of in the first place. Even if these specific worlds are full of only the things they loved, they also loved the ever-changing nature of the Earthly Experience (Aziraphale goes slow, but not slow enough for Eternity) and they wanted to experience it, and not just watch it from afar. And then there are the Interpretations that hinge on some variation of Crowley and Aziraphale having Ascended to a Higher Plane of Existence, becoming the Universe or Stars or Cosmic Consciousness or the embodiment of Love or the Guardians of Humanity or Watching Over Us All (which can also intersect with some of the âGarden of Edenâ stuff). Which⊠also feels counterproductive with Crowley and Aziraphaleâs very earthly love of earthly experiences. Again, they loved experiencing the pleasures of this world the way humans do, so much that Aziraphale gave up on an Eternal Heaven and Crowley risked Hellâs Wrath for it. Why should we believe that theyâre happy to leave that behind forever for some cosmic experience we canât even comprehend? Why should this supposedly âHumanistâ story about the most Human Angel and Demon end with them having to becoming something even further away from Humanity than ever before? And the whole central joke their characters (and their whole setting) hinged on is the idea divine and cosmic entities being Just Some Guys With a Job. Crowley and Aziraphaleâs friendship was built upon them trying to minimize work as much as possible, they spent years trying to retire. Why should I be happy to see them take on another Cosmic Job thatâs even more impossible for them to ever leave or separate their identities from or ever stop doing? And thatâs not getting to cases where this âHappy Endingâ gives them a very God-like role, so it also kneecaps whatever âmessageâ this ending tries to have. Making it even less about dismantling harmful systems, and now the message is that it could all be better by just putting the Right People at the top of the SystemâŠ
So many options for interpretations! And none of them feel like it would make Crowley and Aziraphale actually happy and make their sacrifice to feel worthwhile! Absolutely amazing!
Also, like, I feel this angle canât really work if youâre also trying to argue that âOh, this story isnât really about Crowley and Aziraphale, itâs about Humanity uwuâ. Because these âalternative interpretationsâ and âHappy Endingsâ only really matter if youâre considering the fate of Crowley and Aziraphale to be the Only Thing That Matters. Like, Iâm pretty sure Anathema didnât get her own custom Snowglobe. I donât think that Mrs. Sandwich got invited to the Garden of Eden. I highly doubt Nina and Maggie got to find each other in every timeline. For pretty much everyone in the Universe except Aziraphale and Crowley, there are only two options, they either reincarnated into the New Universe (did they all get happier and more content lives than what they had in the previous World? Considering itâs supposed to be our real world, thatâs hard to imagine) or they are all fucking dead forever!
Every time I reread my old posts that I made before the finale came out, I feel like I should put this on: đ€Ąđ€Ąđ€Ą
@loveheartsandwich SOOO THIS
Three damn years filled with incredible breakdowns, meta-analyses of characters and events, gripping theories and speculation about where the plot would turn, how the personal Aziracrow conflict would fully unfold, what clever way out they would find again to trick the system and outmaneuver everyone, and what role the human characters from season 1 would play. Searching for symbolism and small details that could point to possible season 3 events that would explain everything and bring it all together.
There was a huge number of theories about F15. Every time I read them, I feel like Iâm reading a scientific dissertation, and itâs wonderful! Everyone offered their own interpretation of what was happening, one smarter and more interesting than the previous/pos. Everyone rejected the most basic interpretation that formed in everyoneâs minds after the very first viewing and were convinced that something happened there that we werenât shown, something left unsaid, that there was something hidden and ambiguous. And I am absolutely sure that this was the case.
But the finale chose exactly that damn first and simplest interpretation of them all, showing that its own audience was smarter than a huge corporation with an army of professionals at its helm.
Every time I reread my old posts that I made before the finale came out, I feel like I should put this on: đ€Ąđ€Ąđ€Ą
Mickey Ralph, the Good Omens production designer, on perhaps the most shut-book, closed ending finale in the history of TV finales đ€
sometimes i see someone's reasoning/theory of why go3 made sense or was a happy story and whatever and i just feel like chidi
Crowley in Good Omens 3:
"Aziraphale! We' are the good guys. Okay? We are not killing anyone. What we'll be doing is... simply not bringing them back."
So I've just finished 'season' 3 of Good Omens.
I'm gonna put a cut here because it can be taken as a spoiler.
Be warned.
Happy last days of pride month đ
I guess this is a hot take but no matter whose idea/story the ending was, it wonât change the fact I think it was ASS.