I mean this in genuine way, but how are you against pro shipping (an ideology based around being able to separate fiction from reality) and you still like horror? I thought that you believe that apparently what you like in media represents your morality in real life so therefore do you condone violence?
so! great question actually. i genuinely wish proshippers would leave me alone but i guess yall keep coming back lmao.
i DO believe it’s important to be able to separate fiction from reality, it’s a very important skill. i DONT believe there should be sexualization of trauma, abuse, or assault.
i don’t believe the media you enjoy represents what you like in real life in most cases, horror is a very wide spread genre.
however, i do believe if you push abusive relationships and whatnot onto characters, and continuously feed into it like “oh he rapes her so good” or whatever (something i’ve actually seen) it’s unhealthy. espically whenever i’ve seen CHILDREN in these communities having adults willfully interact with them.
not to mention, everything has to be taken in with a level of moderation. i can’t watch horror all the time because it will scare me, and effect my mood. i think the same for toxic dynamics.
i don’t mind people trying to show abusive relationships in media or using characters to cope with their own. i don’t like when people are taking trauma millions go through (and many proshippers THEMSELVES haven’t gone through) and making it seem like it is to be desired.
now i’m begging yall to leave me alone. i have a job and everytime one of yall interact with me it makes me #anxious
Also another thing before I log off for another month but I find it so funny when proshippers act like they’re so edgy and different for liking horror and that u can’t like it if ur an anti
hey real horror fans are constantly picking on the horror movies that sexualise the violence against women or how horror is used as an excuse to add r*pe scenes that’s clearly the directors jerk off material or how fiction in general is constantly forced to add in sexy scenes just to appeal to the male audience. Did you know the vast majority of pilot episodes are told to include female nudity to hook viewers in. It’s misogyny, it doesn’t exist in a vacuum. ‘Well im a freak and I like it!!’ OKAYY you also don’t go outside and don’t understand anything. We have real issues in society that are present in how they’re presented through fiction too. They didn’t just add that scene because they could, there is an agenda. You are so susceptible to propaganda. Most mainstream discussion about media is always dissecting it for the horrible writing choices even in horror because it’s not just ‘you’re a prude who hates violence but im such a freak because i find it hot!!’, it’s actually true that you can digest media and criticise it for sexualising abuse and unveiling the directors misogyny. Or how many horror fans are constantly critiquing how old and fat women are already so dehumanised by society that they’re added in as the sole horror of some scenes. An unattractive woman how horrifying. Like why don’t you join a real discussion on horror instead of trying to gatekeep it you fucking larp
And sometimes SA and gross topics are added in because it’s part of the horror and discomfort and creating a message. Like don’t of you understand that elements are added in not just to look cool and edgy for your gifsets but because they’re being . Criticised. Like in Midsommar it’s not ‘she’s found her true love in this incest white supremacy cult <3’ just because she smiled at the end. Are you fucking dumb
‘you can’t like horror surely you think it confined violence’ the movie itself is condemning violence and telling a story that is meant to be tragic and uncomfortable. Exploring dark topics doesn’t mean it’s romanticising it. For people who are so profic you guys are really bad at understanding fiction
I’m sorry but we do not need to entertain these people. There’s no good argument for why we should be producing and distributing fictionalized depictions of child sex abuse or any other kind of abuse.
It would be weird and fucked up if you were purchasing comic books of children being physically beaten too. Why do we need to have these kinds of materials available? Who does it serve? Does it serve children, to have some of the most heinous crimes to be committed against them casually consumed as leisure? Does it serve education about child sex abuse for these materials to be available as a tolerated form of entertainment? We should be asking: what exactly is the purpose of these materials such as lolicon and shotacon?
Because if the fictionalized depictions of the abuse of the marginalized and vulnerable serves as a mass produced commodity sold to the public freely and it doesn’t serve the interests of the subjects of those depictions, then it must serve the interests of capital and patriarchy who normalize all sorts of oppressive violence as entertainment.
Who gives a shit what the apologists for the oil pedocracy think?
the backflips people will do just to defend someone else’s boner…like do u REALLY think men who make like “my BARELY LEGAL stepdaughter was DUMB FEMINIST until I fucked it out of her and showed her HER PLACE” porn are doing that in like a feminist way. truly in ur heart of hearts you think hes like. woke?
it’s so funny how irl and online sex is Everywhere and being sexy and desirable (forever) is the end all be all of our generation, more so than any before us, and then you get on tumblr and people post like they live in a fantasy world where everyone under 30 got turned into sex repulsed catholics and the #1 issue in the world is women not being allowed to be promiscuous or have sex with men
Tumblrinas really think criticism is at the same level as an armed unaccountable death squad busting down your door and forcing you into a tiny hole for years to decades or outright killing you and I can’t imagine a more sheltered perspective.
Woah you fetishize the concept of abuse that's so crazy transgressive no one's ever done that before it's not like woven into the fabric of our bigoted societies or something
Something I realised about all this is that the anger these people feel about us "dehumanising" abusers/pedophiles and whatnot is that it comes from a place of wanting to be in control.
It's the same tactics abusers use to make you feel bad for not wanting to be used. They make you feel like the bad guy for saying "kill all pedophiles"/"the only pedophiles are in rehab or dead" because it gives them less ground to stand on as abusers, and they want control over you and your mind above all else.
It's the same tactics my abusers used to "put me back in line", and it's why I get such a bad taste in my mouth when I see things about "but-but pedophiles are people too!!!". They're people who've crossed the most bare minimum of moral lines by manipulating, abusing and raping a child. Someone who cannot consent, does not know why they are being hurt, and will assume they did something bad.
The only good pedophiles are dead, or in rehab, or jail. Far away from any children, far away from places where they can offend. The only good abusers are dead ones. You are not a bad person for wanting people like this out of society, or dead if they cannot fix themselves or control their urges to harm children. You are not a bad person for wanting your abusers and the people who justify their actions to die.
And I will echo this message til there are none left to hear it.
you can't say "hey has anyone noticed that M/M fic outnumbers F/F like 100:1” or “it feels racist that only 3/202 characters on the ao3 top 100 ships list are Black and two of them are Alastor HazbinHotel” bc some ppl will start going like “oh so you think we should FORCE people to write about things they DON’T CARE ABOUT for WOKE????” and you’ll be like “no, i’m pointing out that the conditions that created this disparity are informed by racism & misogyny” and ppl will say “it’s not BIGOTED to only care about WHITE MEN” and then the gargoyle king appears
why do you only accept requests for shiftingquiet ??? ship and let ship idk why you care about proshipping so muxh its fiction
Okay well… that’s kinda rude. I only accept requests for shiftingquiet because I personally only like drawing canon or canon adjacent stuff when it comes to ships. Not because I think other STP ships are proships? Just because I’d rather not interact with proshippers doesn’t mean I think any ship besides shiftingquiet is weird, I just don’t indulge anything else. I’m totally chill with other STP ships :P
As for why I don’t like proshippers interacting with my blog (which is a whole ass different question) I just think being supportive/neutral about darkshipping is weird. And yes, I do know that just because one uses the proshipper label it doesn’t automatically equate to darkshipping, some use it to mean anti-harassment, but I also disagree with that.
Fundamentally I do not agree with the concept of ‘just block and move on’ because choosing inaction is still a choice. I think it’s perfectly reasonable to want to bring attention to members of a community that do weird shit so that others can avoid them. Shouldn’t that be reason enough? No, it probably wont be satisfactory for you given you felt the need to send this into my requests when I specifically asked for people to not do that. If you want my extended reasoning, it’s below the cut.
If you want to get into the complicated topic of ‘does fiction affect reality’ then I will oblige, and I do think it’s a little more nuanced than people give it credit for, but ultimately I come to the same conclusion there too.
I will ask you one thing. Do you get sad when a character you like dies? Do you feel happy when your favorite character accomplishes something? Is that not fiction affecting reality in some way? It’s not a 1 to 1 transfer, but obviously there is correlation. It’s silly to pretend there isn’t.
Fiction doesn’t exist in a vacuum—all art is political—and all fictional content by extension is influenced by real world existence and the experiences of people who write and consume it. People use fiction to get across their opinions, to bring attention to real issues, to create allegories correlating to irl things! If fiction didn’t affect reality in any way, propaganda would not work, and the advertising industry wouldn’t exist.
If one is attracted to that kind of stuff in fiction what makes it different than being attracted to the actual thing? It’s not ‘real’ per se, but they are still depictions of certain socially unacceptable things that are romanticized. Which I find very… strange.
Saying it’s different is like saying something akin to ‘I’m not jerking off to feet, I’m jerking off to a DRAWING of feet! It’s just a drawing. I don’t have a foot fetish.’ So what makes, say, the fetishization of fictional incest different?
Now onto the ‘censorship’ topic before someone inevitably asks me about that, too. I’m not against portraying incest/pedophilia in fiction as long as it is actually critiqued properly, and with tact. Most darkship content is not doing that. For example people usually bring up the book lolita, but that book was criticizing pedophilla, and portraying it as a wrong thing, it was not an endorsement of it!
And where is all this objection to censorship when it comes to actual authors and journalists being censored? Why do proshippers only care about people who rightfully find their 1k word one-shot on Ao3 about loli smut weird? Why don’t they bring that same energy to real world book banning? Censorship is a tactic used by people in places of power and by governments. A random ass teenager on the internet isn't infringing upon your rights to free speech by blocking and saying that they’re uncomfortable with darkshipping.
If we can say that media can be racist/homophobic/transphobic/ableist (E.g. depictions of harmful caricatures, stereotyping, tropes like the disposable black girlfriend, or having the gay character always die first, or infantilizing an autistic character.) and that it is a BAD thing, what’s the difference when it comes to romanticized portrayals of incest/pedophilia? Why is it when it comes to that topic now its ‘ship and let ship!’ suddenly?
Is it because you actually care about anti-censorship, the nuance behind fiction affecting reality, and creating ‘complex’ relationship dynamics, or do you just want an excuse to be a weirdo under the guise of moral superiority?
Now heres were I might come off as a bit of an asshole, but you cannot be serious coming to MY blog and asking why I want to curate MY content a specific way? Really? There are like a bajillion other people you can interact with.
I don’t like engaging in this stupid ass tired discourse—I’m working on more important things right now since I’m attending college in like a month and I have better things to do than argue about whether proshipping or antishipping is the most bestest.
If you're gonna make weird content just fucking own it and don’t be a pussy by pretending you’re doing it for some grander purpose. Also maybe don’t disrespect peoples boundaries by sending bullshit like this in their asks when it’s specifically stated that I don’t like interacting with proshippers.
a take that should not be hot: when you post something to a public plaza (like most social media), you have no right to complain about who randomly comes across what you post, unless that person shouldn’t be in the plaza in the first place. you are in control of whom you block, and not of who reads your lengthy dni list that takes two clicks and a chrome custom tab to access.
Except they do have the right to complain when a grown ass adult talks over them and their experiences and hijacks their post to villanise children. On a post about adults invading boundaries. You could’ve just blocked and scrolled first. You didn’t need to read their bio to know that the post wasn’t for you
also funny this was posted 2 hours after you got flamed it bothered you that bad lol
how were they meant to block you first if you’re the one who decided to reblog their post to argue with them. It’s on YOU to block them lmfao
putting a "cw: incest" content warning on incest content is not progressive, but reactionary. by doing so, one contributes to the societal marginalization of these relationships and capitulates to bigotry by subtly framing incest as inherently shameful or even harmful. it doesn't matter how much one claims to support something if their actions reinforce prejudice against it.
if you wouldn't put a content warning for gay people being gay, don't put one for incest. it really is that simple i'm afraid
Ao3 allows pornographically and lustfully written scenarios of IDF soldiers torturing women, children, and babies before blowing buildings up, if you donate to them this is what you're supporting.
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