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@my-fandom-mania
Ok can we talk about how john just rocks this beard???
I saw thunderbolts on April 30th, since then 3 times. And i never recognized John has a beard now 😶
But the same time he still looks younger than Steve did with a beard (for me at least)
People are gonna look at this man in his reddish blonde hair and NOT say he’s hot as hell?
they’re straight up lying.
the beard was SUCH an upgrade
John Walker finds out his three teammates have had terrible childhoods and have never been to Disney World
(This is just a loose excuse for me to draw the gang in their civilian clothes. Bonus Alexei and Bucky under the cut
Okay, okay, okay, okay. This is adorable and also canon, but what I want to know is-
Who is the one being put on a leash?
Who is the one crying when they have to leave?
Who is the one complaining because their feet hurt?
Who spends too much money?
Who does nothing at all?
These are the important questions we need to be asking ourselves.
I can answer these. Easy.
Bob is on the leash. He wanders off.
Yelena is gonna fall in love with the place and cry as we leave.
Ava is gonna complain the entire time (but I'm pretty sure she's having fun).
I spend too much money because I want a lightsaber. Alexei also buys all of the merch related to himself.
I won't allow anyone not to do anything that is unacceptable. Forcing Bucky to ride at least one ride.
The Thunderbolts* obsession is in full swing. I am reverting back to the era of pop tarts and Cap not understanding references. I watched Thunderbolts* without watching anything the other characters were in (minus Bucky in prior films).
And now I'm back tracking and OH BOY. OHHHHH MAN. Just watched TFATWS and how can people hate John Walker. That man is a tragedy rolled into a tragedy rolled into more tragedy.
Literally everyone lets him down. Everyone. The government, the remaining Avengers, his wife. Like that poor man. I love him, your honor. And by God SentryAgent is ringing in my head. These two tragedies. These boys who have been left behind and failed time and time again.
John finding someone who understands what it is like to be failed over and over again, Bob finding someone to stand up for him and say this is not how you should be treated. The anger they both share. The way Val uses them. You know damn well Walker ain't going to let Bob be abused by the system that has abused him so readily.
Walker's court hearing scene broke me. The "you built me" line jesuuuus. He needs a Bob hug, someone get him a Bob hug stat. Sentry will deck a man for Walker, Bob will lay on the floor and color with his son on the weeks John gets to see him. They deserve each other.
My favorite comedic bit in Thunderbotls*
Yelena is absolutely destroying Walker, and he just goes "Jesus" 😭😭😭😭
The line delivery? Wyatt Russel, you're the best nepo baby to ever nepo baby, trust <3
The body language? The tone of voice? The quick back and forth? the unexpectedness? Because you sorta expect John freaking Walker to get angry, maybe a bit defensive, and definitely try to hit back, but he just??? Takes it??? Can't wait for the film to drop so I can rewatch the same 10-second scene
Haha the dry “Oh it’s my turn?”
It’s pretty clear that John accidentally opened the container, which released Bob—and the way he snapped at Bob seemed to trigger Sentry’s appearance. He even made contact with the Void. Could he be the one who ends up being able to wake Sentry in the future?
Would be a really cool recurring thing to have John be the catalyst for Bob’s Sentry/Void switching
AND Yelena being the one who switch off probably?
YESSSSS I SEE THE VISION
It’s pretty clear that John accidentally opened the container, which released Bob—and the way he snapped at Bob seemed to trigger Sentry’s appearance. He even made contact with the Void. Could he be the one who ends up being able to wake Sentry in the future?
Would be a really cool recurring thing to have John be the catalyst for Bob’s Sentry/Void switching
Since the OG Avengers didn’t have fully realized/canon ships, I want the Thunderbolts/New Avengers to be the complete opposite and give us ALL THE SHIPS. Give me Boblena and Ghostwalker. Hell, give me Yelena/Ava, Bob/John, Bucky/Bob, Bucky/John. Make them a mf ASTERISK* POLYCULE (with Bob, no Alexei), idc I just want full-on ships in the Avengers haha
loving the love for thunderbolts* because it's more than deserved but there's also an interesting attitude i'm seeing around john walker. he's started to get silly guy-ified and that feels like a fundamental misunderstanding.
john isn't a silly guy who doesn't know any better. he's an asshole who doesn't know any better - and that's why he's a problem. the man is a cop.
and he's charismatic at times sure!! wyatt russell brings that out and that's a huge part of why he's so problematic (and fascinating as a character).
this is a guy who's been led down the fascist pipeline. conservative worldview, following government orders without hesitation, military pride and righteousness, the whole deal. but this isn't some "look at this doofus who can't figure it out poor guy" situation. he hasn't been able to figure his way out because he's never had a support system (because patriarchy and the hero complex that often comes along with it) and has in fact been rewarded for his terrible and shitty actions so his behaviour and outlook is only re-enforced to him. (and while we're at it, thank fuck he didn't get the chance to do any damage to his kid's life and well-being as that kid was growing up because YIKES)
and, as brennan lee mulligan put it so eloquently, "before you were a fascist, you were a bully and an asshole".
john walker is this maddening reverse sisyphus of a guy who started at the top, rolled the boulder down the hill, which crushed somebody, said "sorry sorry let me drag this back up", and once at the top again said "yeah but this time it'll be fine if i let it roll back down surely", rinse and repeat.
and this isn't a weird "you're problematic for liking this character" moralizing post. he's an INCREDIBLY fascinating character.... who is problematic as a person in that world and those shouldn't get twisted, that's all.
He’s not a cop…
He’s a discharged Army Captain. And based on his skillset wasn’t even military police
But anyway I wanna offer a counterpoint to the above: he is an asshole AND he does know better than what he’s displaying - the Thunderbolts shows that.
He says a lot of shit that makes him sound like an idiot, but he knows he’s an asshole and uses that against others to deflect from his own problems that he’s obviously very conscious of. It’s shown by his answer when Ava asks “wife and kid, how do you do it,” (“one day at a time” obviously he’s lying) or that shrug to Yelena when they find out his wife and kid aren’t in his life anymore, and his ‘shame room.’ He does know better and he KNOWS he’s the problem.
I think his character has so much depth, and to touch on that a bit, piggybacking off what you posted:
He did have hesitations. The beginning of his assignment as Captain America literally shows him struggling with taking on the mantle, he seeks advice and encouragement from Olivia and Lemar. He’s hesitant about taking the super serum, even after his best friend tells him he should, until said best friend is taken hostage and he doesn’t see a way to face the Flagsmashers and rescue him without it.
He had a support system and lost it: his wife (mostly his fault) and his best friend, the latter of whom died saving his life. He got scapegoated by another that should have been his support - the military. Sure they rewarded him (3 medals of honor, being chosen for CA), but they also threw him away.
He actually starts out as a great, pretty relatable, pretty humble, wants-to-help-people character, but things kept getting harder and worse for him, so he spiraled hard. But I don’t even think he’s any more problematic than Yelena, Ghost or Taskmaster. They’re all basically in the same place when Thunderbolts starts - Valentina’s shadow operatives who kill on orders and have nothing else going for them.
“Once we were on set and we were moving from shame room to shame room [in the film’s third act], I realized the power of the symbolism and getting to visualize these labyrinths of anxiety and trauma we subject ourselves to. It really uses the format incredibly intelligently because so much of what we’re talking about takes place in our minds. Wyatt Russell [who plays John Walker] said something brilliant the other day. He said, ‘A lot of Marvel is about the exploration of outer space, and this is the exploration of inner space, of the mind, which is just as limitless as outer space is.’ I thought that was a good way to frame it.”
LEWIS PULLMAN — about the visual metaphor for mental health by taking the characters traverse a series of ‘halls of shame’ that confront them with their own insecurities and failures.
What makes this scene where John jumps in to save the woman from the concrete slab better is it actually becomes about saving John
When he arrives to hold up the concrete, it’s for one woman they could pull out of the way while he’s stopping it.
But then he’d be crushed.
So one by one they put themselves at risk to help him and it’s beautiful
*Thunderbolts fighting a random enemy*
Enemy: *takes off Bucky’s arm again*
Thunderbolts:….
Yelena: that is so uncool
Ava: I swear to god the next person to take off that fucking arm is gonna-
Enemy: ??
John: yeah how would you like it if I just took off your leg in return?
Alexei: in what world is it okay for us to take off each other’s limbs?
Ava: apologise.
Enemy: what….
Alexei: fight will not resume without an apology for the disrespect
Enemy: *awkwardly handing the arm over* sorry….
Bucky: ….yeah no it’s cool
*Fight resumes*
With the Thunderbolts being promoted as the New Avengers, I wanted to see where they would "fit" with the original lineup.
Bob/Sentry - Bruce Banner/Hulk: Bob and Bruce share similar backgrounds and similar "uncontrollable" powers, except the other Thunderbolts seem much more sympathetic and understanding to Bob than the Avengers so hopefully he won't be done as dirty as the MCU did Hulk.
Ava/Ghost - Natasha/Black Widow: Despite there being an actual Red Room person on the team, I think Ava fits the technical slot of Black Widow more. She's good at sneaking into and out of places and can usually find a "last minute" escape for her teammates against the odds. She's reliable but, like Natasha in the earlier films, her teammates wondered about her ulterior motives. Like Nat, Ava also has difficult getting close to others, though in this case it's additionally because of her particle instability.
Alexei/Red Guardian - Thor: Both Alexei and Thor reminisce on their past conquests, holding them in high regard. They also feel a strong duty to their homeland. Like Thor, Alexei is the most openly friendly and carries humor similarly to how Thor would in previous films, sometimes at the expense of being tone deaf to his teammates. Thor was also from a different planet, though, so Alexei is slightly more socially aware.
John Walker - Tony Stark/Iron Man: Self-important, concerned with his own image, kind of a nuisance to deal with, but also "the best" at what he's supposed to do. Deals with a lot of personal issues that the other teammates don't realize (unless someone like Bucky reveals them). Often brings up useful information and strategy. Also, based on his turnaround from FatWS to Thunderbolts, he might end up having the most character redemption/transformation out of the group (depending on however long they intend to use these characters, which will hopefully be a good amount of time).
Bucky Barnes - Steve Rogers/Captain America: Bucky and Yelena were the biggest toss-up between Cap and Hawkeye, but I decided that Bucky is still essentially the main strategist and leader of the group. He's the one who got everyone to their location, he's a super-soldier who wants to se his talents to help but gets fed up by bureaucracy, and it's sort of understood in the group that he has his own private life that doesn't really overlap. He's shown along with Yelena to have the most competent leadership during the end credits, and he's the most well known (aside from John Walker) to the in-universe public, so he has the "oldest" reputation to deal with when he interacts with others.
Yelena - Clint Barton/Hawkeye: Yelena is the glue. Her and Bucky are shown as the most active leaders in the end credits, but she's not flashy in the way that Tony Stark was. She's exceptionally skilled and well-rounded in both strategy and fighting, but her strongest asset is being able to communicate with others. Clint was the most "human" of the group, and he helped keep all of his teammates' personalities from blowing up against each other. Every time he left, the Avengers imploded. Clint was also the most willing to offer second chances, and Yelena shares that willingness to risk herself to help someone else. Like Clint, she doesn't always immediately jump to fighting; she tries to reason with others if fighting isn't necessary. She's the most emotionally open; she realizes and begins to prioritize real relationships and a life outside of the job.
Something I love about John is that he’s a true brother in arms who is meant to hold a shield.
He jumps in to defend his team - physically like when he jumps in front of Bucky when Sentry sends the bullets back at him, and verbally when he tells Yelena to lay off Alexei
He doesn’t leave people behind - elevator idiocy aside because that was dumb of him and of all of them. They should’ve gotten higher above the doorway for starters!
He makes sure others go ahead of him, and this is most evident in the Void maze, where the only exception is THE Red Guardian who makes sure John goes ahead of him
I love that military side of him, that defends his team mates and doesn’t leave them behind
Go see Thunderbolts* and bring a tissue box.
The VERY FIRST SCENE already had me choking up. I think 70% of this movie had me either on the verge of tears or just crying. And it was honestly so cathartic. I love how much of a team they are and how much they take care of each other. Every little thing they did made my heart swell.
I want to watch it again and again. I want to own it right now.
