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Just a blog where I occasionally post memes, random stuff and criticize any type of pop culture media based on Greek mythology. Greek | Adult | Asks always open

[hazardsoflove]

me to the three people who interact with my posts

[alatismeni-theitsa]

The US folks on this site scare me at times. In a lot of cases they lack basic knowledge of the world outside their homecountry, but they still render judgements on topics. And they need to be right so hard they completely disregard the person on the other side of the conversation. The latter, however is the global internet problem.

I do understand that this is US site. What I find abhorrent is the way these folks act like vultures in a lot of cases, like a rabid mob. No respect no insight no attempts to understand the other person, just the need for crusade. What I also find nauseating, is the way a lot of people here think themselves as leftists, but their blind, ignorant and aggressive confidence in the ideas they spread make them look like your average imperialist from the past, with complete disregard to other people's traditions, culture and upbringing. They need to be right no matter the cost, no matter the insults, no matter the feelings of the person on the other side of the conversation, that is from the other part of the world. The thing they do called cultural imperialism. I congratulate you guys, you became the ones you think you fight against. (kidding, they support American imperialism because some soldiers are POoR AnD WaNt tO PaY FoR coLLeGe)

Well said.

+ their country chooses to send our army wherever they wish. The fact that they don't even know about it shows the type of privilege they enjoy just by being US Americans. Nobody said that they enjoy a full privileged life, but as they often say about the privilege of being white, it's not about how good your life is, but if you benefit from the thing that is discussed - and in our case that is imperialism. It's so funny that they think they are in a bubble and isolated from the world when their country controls a ton of other countries (Greece being one of them).

[alatismeni-theitsa]

Got downvoted to hell on Reddit for saying Beyoncé’s homecoming title with the Greek letters didn’t say Homecoming. The defense was that they’re her culture and she knows what they mean and was making a statement with them 🙄 what

is Beyoncé Greek now? 😂😂 Even if she was, she or her designer totally don’t know how to read this shit properly, otherwise they’d be too ashamed to create the design in the first place

[witches-ofcolor]

I don’t think it was intended to say homecoming though. That’s part of American Greek Sorority and Fraternity life, and to my understanding none of the actual greek actually says “Homecoming” (in beyonce’s case) or “This is a greek organizatoion” in the case of campus frats. 

But a two second google can tell you that Beyonce did not intend for her words to mean Homecoming. Trust me, they could read perfectly. Please read up on American Greek organizations: 

They were a tribute to the Divine Nine, the Black Greek letter organizations that were founded in America beginning with Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Incorporated in 1906. Many of the Black fraternities and sororities were founded at Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs), including Howard University. 

It’s not just a black thing either, there are tons of groups on American college campuses dubbed as “Greek life” There’s even Greek organizations for disabled people, Christians, women, etc. You can read the list here.

So she’s not greek, nor is any American who’s been in Greek life or knows about it (Unless they legit are), it’s just a part of university culture. So trust me, she knew exactly what she was doing. 

You may consider reading up on that before you insult her intelligence or anyone elses on her team.  

[witches-ofcolor]

And if you want to get into the logistics of insulting people for using Greek words or partaking in Greek life, consider getting a spirit board and communing with John Heath because he founded the first Greek club, Phi Beta Kappa. 

Here’s some more information  if you’re interested: 

The very first fraternity, Phi Beta Kappa was founded in 1776, and was kept a “secret”. In 1831 they disclosed their secrets and bylaws. Today, some fraternities keep their traditions and constitutions secret, and some publish them. When many fraternities were founded, initiation rites and ceremonies were often borrowed and/or modified from any combination of the following items in history: Philosophy and Literature from Ancient Greeks and Romans; Jewish and Christian Scriptures; Chivalric traditions; military codes of honor, precepts and forms of Freemasonry; Enlightenment Science and Philosophy and Romanticism.

Like if you do want to blame anyone, blame Mr. Heath. 

[alatismeni-theitsa]

@witches-ofcolor We Greeks who knows how to read Greek, understand how Anglophones use our letters. Σ is often used as E, Λ is A, and so on, so don’t tell us that the poster “i’s not supposed to read Homecoming” because that’s exactly how it reads with the standard use of Greek letter abuse by the Anglophones. And We Can Read It And Make The Direct Connection.

Partaking in “Greek life” for a few years in college has nothing to do with actual Greek culture except from very generic concepts of classical antiquity and tbh is nothing special but another Americanized thing, especially the last decades.

You calling the “Greek life” institutions “Greek” is an insult. Greeks in the US and abroad have expressed disgust with how these institutions claim to be “Greek” and use the “Greek life” motto with no cultural connection to Greece whatsoever. Greek Lifers ™ wouldn’t know a Greek festival if it came outside their house.

Insult people for using Greek words? Are you kidding? We are calling them out them when they insult us by claiming to partake in Greek culture and when they constantly butcher our words and letters. They don’t even bother to pronounce the names of our letters correctly, ffs. Some of them are an insult to people who actually try to learn Greek and the Greek culture. I don’t know if you noticed when we blogging from my blog but my tag #learn Greek is pretty upfront, not to mention my bio.

We know what sororities and fraternities and “Greek Life” are, btw. We have been so forcibly Americanized that we know.

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Ethno-Greek culture is [checks teleprompter] the ONLY identity to have their culture “…forcibly Americanized”.

[alatismeni-theitsa]

It’s not. So? Is it so hard for you to show basic respect to any language?

[sephezade]

You miss both the point and the nuance not only of the performance, but of @witches-ofcolor ’s very palatable response. I can’t help but infer that thats in order to deliberately prioritize your (rightful, but subjective personal) preference.

The way you respond throughout this thread is very telling, in that your focus isn’t on how many cultures have been bastardized “Westernized” for consumption, but that the original, and still extant, linguistics (while it, too, has undergone modernization) does not exist in an very specific entity that holds and expresses separate cultural and social context. 🤷🏾‍♀️

Anyway…

[alatismeni-theitsa]

Ah yes, me saying that putting ΗΔΞΑΗΣΞςΚΣΞςΟςΙΗΣ is stupid and disrespectful is the same thing as preventing another language to function on another social context 🤣

Also me talking about a phenomenon that affects my culture is “bashing brown folks”? Or did you just cared to notice when the discourse involves someone you idolize? You apparently didn’t care enough to pay attention when I was talking about WASPs doing it. You both outright refuse to see another culture’s perspective if it goes against your parrot “progressive” (god make it) talk.

[sephezade]

You assume that everyone (or more specifically every brown person) idolizes Beyoncé, which is predictably inaccurate. But I digress.

The overstylization of already existing language’s alphabet is understandably disconcerting, but when it’s clearly and observably not intended to be interpreted as said extant language, but moreso a stylized “copy”

(loosely used, as this isn’t at all Greek language, merely the using of certain characters that align with English visual phonetics, which from the offset is understood by folks not seeking opportunity to look down their noses at people expressing parts of a culture created without the benefit of profound connection to any other extant identity - classism, btw) based on foregoing imitation, conflating the latter with the former becomes an insult.

Yes, I saw that you mentioned anglophones borrow from Greek. But that’s literally all you said. No context on the impact to anyone of this borrowing. And the fact that you point out that the anglophone stylistic “interpretation” doesn’t align or translate properly back to the original Greek, further demonstrates that either you are unable to grasp stylistic nor sonoetymologic nuance or you’re being deliberately obtuse for the sake of bandwagoning a popular talking point, progressive, conservative, or otherwise.

Who said you were preventing another language from functioning? For that matter, who said Beyoncé was? What I did say, however is that it’s interesting (and again, predictable) that you chose to ignore nuance and context for one specific example, and not the broader issue of impact on linguistics of, say, historical cultural exchange (how we came to have GLOs in the States at all) versus cultural assimilation (how non-European indigenous people wind up speaking European languages outside of Europe). Both are present in the case of the stylized title card of the performance, but I guess that’s not as important as preserving the classical integrity of Greek language specifically.

[alatismeni-theitsa]

You assume that everyone (or more specifically every brown person) idolizes Beyoncé, which is predictably inaccurate. But I digress.

please stop generalizing just once 😩 It’s obvious you love her by your comments, I never said anything about a group of people

The overstylization of already existing language’s alphabet is understandably disconcerting, but when it’s clearly and observably not intended to be interpreted as said extant language, but moreso a stylized “copy”

yeah, still bad. You’ve been treating our language and culture as aesthetics for so long you get baffled that after centuries you happen to pay attention to us complaining about it.

Also I loooove how you read “Greek” and immediately your mind goes to “classical integrity” 😂 You have missed the point by MILES and clearly have no context for our problem as a nation. Please stop talking about Greek NOW and stop clowning on my post in general

[encrucijada]

laughing my ass off at the quote "he is half my soul, as the poets say" coming right after the scene where achilles tells patroclus he is cool with the achaeans dying if agamemnon doesn't beg forgiveness. the girlies all collectively decide to ignore that little detail in favour of their tumblr quotes 💞

[jewlian]

Dumbasses who have never talked to a non-christian in their life will say that religions are cults because they preach salvation and give you rules to keep you in line like y’all do realize that hell isn’t a universal belief???? That Judaism teaches that god wants his people to be just and compassionate??? That Buddhism is about liberation from suffering??? That Hinduism teaches reincarnation? That Islam believes in a just and merciful god? That there are an endless number of diverse and nuanced beliefs that various indigenous peoples struggle to reclaim every day? And you all have the nerve to lump us all in together with the likes of catholicism and jehovah’s witnesses just because you’re too fucking smug and lazy to get off your ass leave your own bubble and read a god damn wikipedia article?

[apricotparrotmemes]

I do agree that criticism of religion as a whole being a cult is silly, but what’s with this romanticising of non chritian religions? I was raised buddhist and uh, yeah, the theravada school has several negative aspects including regular victim blaming, heavily patriarchal cosmology and SIX hells you go to for like practically everything, like some temples have depictions of hell that are so horrifying that they gave me nightmares for YEARS when I was a kid. And as far as I know, Hinduism as practised in most places has an entrenched caste system, which is basically evil. And India is full of the Hindu equivalent of US megachurches that are just as corrupt and exploitative and full of abuses. I mean both Buddhism and Hinduism have positive aspects and wisdom too. I’m just saying reducing all that mix of bad and good to two sentences about liberation from suffering and reincarnation is kind of ignorant given OP is telling other people to read a Wikipedia article?

[witche-nerd]

I might get some shit for this but one of the reasons some of you have such shit critical skills/reading comprehension is because you’re adults who exclusively consume kids’ cartoons, ya books and fanfic and staunchly refuse to engage with anything remotely challenging which is how we ended up with people thinking harry potter is the apex of world literature or that dante’s inferno is the same as fanfiction. I love easily digestible things that are simply fun to consume but I’ve heard people say “ya is a vast diverse genre” and in the same breath add “I don’t like the classics (aka books that shaped, reflected and influenced the world) because they’re all boring and one genre apparently” which is a stance that is not so much anti-elitist as it is anti-intellectual.

[wizard-of-the-cave]

Really getting tired of christian raised Western ass white people talking about "the old gods" every time they see a deer or an unusually large work of art in a public space. You have no old gods. You have no knowledge or context for what old gods are. You are appropriating every culture with old gods every time you say that dumb shit to sound edgy because you like to listen to Hozier and Mitski and fantasize about living in a cottage. Shut the fuck up.

[cardassiangoodreads]

I mean in general, sorry fandom, but there aren't a lot of hard-and-fast rules on what you can and cannot depict "responsibly" whether that has to do with relationship dynamics, representation of women and minorities, or anything else. You kind of have to take every single work on a case-by-case basis and look at the context around which it was made, the way it frames these specific issues, the way the fandom responds to them, and analyze them individually. There are no shortcuts to critical thinking or media analysis. Sorry!

[nefeleshaosfest]

THIS

[bimbogollum]

Every post where it says “history books leave this out” and “historians are trying to hide this from us” is just code for “I have literally never picked up a history book outside of high school history class in my entire life”

[antiloreolympus]

yeah the implication persephone is "twice as beautiful" while also being 19 forever has nasty implications. i realize youth is idealized but rachel has a VERY young audience, and they live by her word religiously. ive already seen readers say theyve gotten body image issues from the comic because of how hard rachel insists on her strict sense of "beauty' which they cant live up to, and now saying teenagers = the only beautiful ones is only going to lead to worse outcomes. those poor girls.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[encrucijada]

madeline miller stop describing female characters as soft and delicate challenge

[xazomara]

[mwagneto]

SCREAMING.........

[nefeleshaosfest]

Why does YouTube keep recommending me awful Greek mythology channels, how do I make it stop

[nefeleshaosfest]

Like, it's so obvious that there is no actual learning value in their videos, most of the times they are ripping apart all symbolism and everything important from a myth and instead they are putting random crap that makes no sense in a desperate attempt to make ancient mythology sound like some kind of YA fantasy, so they can pander to an audience with the toxic mentality of pjo/lo stans

[nefeleshaosfest]

Every single video about Athena and Poseidon completely sucks, is inaccurate and misses the point of the myth.

"PoSeiDoN aNd AtHeNa HaTe EaCh OtHeR" They don't. Those are big words. They literally only had like one competition, stop fucking reading P*rcy J*ckson.

[nefeleshaosfest]

Why does YouTube keep recommending me awful Greek mythology channels, how do I make it stop

[nefeleshaosfest]

Like, it's so obvious that there is no actual learning value in their videos, most of the times they are ripping apart all symbolism and everything important from a myth and instead they are putting random crap that makes no sense in a desperate attempt to make ancient mythology sound like some kind of YA fantasy, so they can pander to an audience with the toxic mentality of pjo/lo stans

[nefeleshaosfest]

Why does YouTube keep recommending me awful Greek mythology channels, how do I make it stop

[nefeleshaosfest]

I would reblog the "we need to stop the fandomification of greek myth" post that goes around, but the notes are full of butthurt pjo and lo stans and actual racist anti-greek people so, yeah

[acethena]

I wouldn't find Rachel questioning things in Disney Hercules to be weird if it weren't for the fact LO is ripped off from it. most of the skins colors from the Disney film are in LO (especially HxP), the "Underworld is a Business" joke that Disney made is in LO but serious, Hades' "fiery temper" is in LO, etc etc. Also yeah, a supposed "folklorist" making a story off her "vast knowledge" on Persephone would fill in her fans on what Disney left out, not ask if DISNEY was being accurate.

For sure, those are definitely my main gripes with this behavior on her part. Thank you for your input, though! You brought up a few connections I didn’t think of, like that temper.