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Oh, so that’s what that plot hole looks like!
You ever have something staring so close to you that you know it’s there, but you can’t actually see it? Yeah. That’s this plot hole. I mean, I knew it was there, I just didn’t quite realize how big it was or how little an idea I had on how to solve it until I looked at it juuuuuuuuuuust right and…..
Um.
Yeah.
Oh boy.
Given that my plot is, as far as I know, completely unlike any real life situation that ever happened (although I could be wrong about that?), I don’t even know how to start figure it out. SO!
Crowd sourcing time!
The problem with my Thomas as Heir Novel - other than the fact that it won’t stop growing - is that with the setup I have, it can’t be conclusively proven that he is Robert and Cora’s son. It also can’t be conclusively proven that he isn’t their son. All that any investigator anywhere would be able to do is gather a bunch of evidence and go “Well, this points pretty strongly in the general direction of Yes.”
So say Robert looked at that and went “Eh, it’s good enough for state work….or at least good enough that I don’t want to fight with Cora about it and sleep in my dressing room for the rest of my natural life” - what then? I mean, I know there are no ceremonies until you actually take the title. And if he’d been born and raised Viscount Downton, there wouldn’t have been any pomp and circumstance about it, so there probably wouldn’t be any now. But it’s not like when Matthew became heir and they just shipped him in to learn the job, because he was already listed as the next in line. Thomas isn’t even on record as part of the family. So………
What? Would they just sign three lifetimes worth of paperwork, in triplicate? Send a letter to Buckingham informing their majesties that there was a Situation? Take it to a judge and say “Your honour, are we allowed to recognize this guy as our son and heir based on the existing evidence?”
WHAT?
Thoughts? Opinions?
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I think it depends on the exact circumstances (which, since the story is still in draft, you may be able to tweak?).
The most important thing is whether there is a birth certificate (or other record) of a son born to Cora while she was married to Robert. If there is, then the matter is fairly straightforward–and if there isn’t, it may be impossible.
If there is a record of a legitimate son, then they don’t have to prove that Thomas is the heir. They have to establish that he’s Robert Junior (or whatever name the birth was registered under), and the heirdom comes automatically. I’m pretty sure all it takes is the family making some kind of announcement, “Good news, everyone! We’ve found Robert Junior” (or whatever name), and then everything proceeds as if Robert Junior had had a more typical upbringing.
You could handwave the whole thing with Robert (or someone) saying something about “have Murray take care of the details” and move on, as long as nobody who has standing to do so (like Matthew, who’d be disinherited) objects publicly.
If you want to portray a formal, legal process, on the other hand, you could introduce a surmountable level of complication by saying that Robert Junior had been previously declared dead. In that case, the declaration would have to be overturned. I haven’t found any period-specific information about how that process would have worked, but a court of law would have been involved; you could do a scene where they lay out the evidence before a judge. Again, if the Crawleys are united in saying “Yes, we’re sure this is Robert Junior,” and nobody (with standing to do so) is objecting, it could be pretty pro-forma.
Another complication would be if Robert Junior was not only declared dead, but buried. Like, say, a few months after he was kidnapped, remains were found of an infant the right age and sex. (If the remains were too deteriorated for visual identification, they wouldn’t have had much to fall back on, forensically speaking. Not just no DNA, but no fingerprints/footprints or even blood typing.)
In that case, there would have been a coroner’s inquest, which would have to be reopened in order to have another go at identifying the deceased. (Even if the result was just “unknown male infant.”) That would probably involve a review of the evidence that led the inquest to conclude that the deceased infant was Robert Junior in the first place, as well as the new evidence that it wasn’t (which is to say, the evidence that Robert Junior is still alive and standing right in front of them).
Again, all of these presuppose that the heir–Robert Junior, Robert and Cora’s son–legally existed at some point. (England started requiring legal registration of births in 1837, so that isn’t too heavy a lift. Not everyone actually bothered, but it would be very unusual for a baby born to a married woman of high status not to have a birth certificate.)
If, however, the birth was never registered? In that case, I’m, like, 95% sure that the answer to the question “How do they prove Thomas is the heir?” is they can’t. Inheritance is as much about legal ties as blood ones, and the legal system does not have a mechanism for an adult son appearing out of nowhere*
(*Yes, yes, there’s the Earl of Findlater. But even if you say that Cora gave birth to Thomas before the wedding, and left the birth unregistered for that reason, you’d also have to move Downton Abbey to Scotland. Legitimation by subsequent marriage doesn’t apply to English titles.)
Anyway, or narrative purposes, if it’s necessary to say that there was no record of the birth, you’re pretty much stuck inventing a process, and have the characters hang a lampshade on the fact that this is an unprecedented situation so they have to improvise.
Just spitballing, I’d probably have the process focus on retroactively registering the birth–that is, establishing parentage and legitimacy–rather than anything directly related to him being the heir, for two reasons. One, the whole point of primogeniture and entail is that you don’t get to pick who your heir is. Two, I’m finding some information about a process for late registration of a birth. It isn’t clear whether it was possible to do so in the period in question–that link references a 1965 revision to the Registration of Births Act–but it’s at least something to go on. (For instance, the relevant office is called the General Registry Office, and the official who’d need to approve anything nonstandard is the General Registrar.)
Anyway–interesting question; I hope this helps!
Okay, first off, to @alex51324 , @o-rchidae , and @normadeathmond - THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH! That is very, very helpful and I can probably cobble something together out of what I have. I will absolutely be reading that link as soon as I’m done here.
However, since I was kinda panic flailing last night and I am not good at passing along pertinent information when panic flailing, I’m gonna step back and outline things a bit more, just in case it gives anyone any further insight.
- I started this before the movie was out and set it post series, so I really wanted it to read as something that could, almost conceivably, be canon. For me, that comes up with as plausible a reason as possible for Robert and Cora to not know they had a son for….30 plus years. So, working off information we aren’t given in the show, I came up with the following: Dr. Clarkson wasn’t at Downton at the time. He came there after the Boer war. His predecessor was being blackmailed into making sure Robert and Cora didn’t have a son, so when Cora had twins, he swapped the boy for a different baby (who didn’t survive), and smuggled him off. So as far as the family is concerned, “Robert Junior” is a girl who’s buried in the local cemetery and they don’t talk about her because that’s just not dinner conversation.
- There is a birth certificate, but it was filled out by the doctor and is…….irregular. At best. It doesn’t list a father, but it does list Cora as the mother and the Downton Cottage Hospital as place of birth (which is inaccurate - he was born at the Abbey - but still a clue in the right direction. The doctor was also kinda panic flailing here). There is also a written account of the whole proceeding which the doctor held on to until his death, at which point he willed it to Thomas.
End result is that until Thomas gets his ‘inheritance’ absolutely no one knew Robert Junior was even a thing and everyone feels like a HE shell just went off right in front of them.
Now, as noted, since this is a draft I can tweak things. If people think it’s absolutely 100% essential for Robert’s name to be on the birth certificate, I can have the doctor panic flail a bit less and put it on. I’d rather not if I don’t have to, but I can. It would certainly be easier….
And yeah. That should be a pretty good outline of the set up without, you know, spoiling the entire story.
If that leads to further feedback, lovely, if not, also lovely! As I said, I can work with what I’ve been given pretty handily I think….
….and oh god. I just realized I’ve not actually appraised the Mertons on the situation. They’re going to have to be brought in. ……………..CURSE YOU JULIAN FELLOWES AND YOUR FIVE MILLION CHARACTER CAST! *cries*
Wow, that is a much more elaborate and unlikely scenario than I was picturing! Very melodramatic-but still at least as plausible as the Fake Canadian Patrick storyline, which as you probably recall is my standard for realism when it comes to Downton fic.
Yes, I think if you’re trying to minimize the amount of legal maneuvering and keep the focus on the emotional aspects of the story, then it’s going to be best to have a birth certificate with both parents’ names and the fact of a male baby. I like the idea of having the names misspelled–that would help explain why nobody ever stumbled across it, and it would have been a fairly common error at the time.
(Probably not with a wealthy, high-status family, but if the names are misspelled, then the person who processes it at the General Registry Office won’t know that the they are prominent people: this Bob Crolly of no known occupation nor fixed address probably had the doctor fill out the form because he’s marginally literate at best.)
Another thing, if you’re trying to smooth over the legal entanglements as much as possible: might be a good idea to say that the doctor had his written confession witnessed by some reputable party: a clergyman or solicitor, perhaps.
Oh, you know what, now that I think about it, it might be best if there was a deathbed confession. If period murder mysteries are any indication, at this time, a deathbed confession to a member of clergy had quite a bit of and moral oomph: it was considered highly unlikely that anyone would want to meet his Maker having just lied to a priest, so a deathbed declaration was at least as good as live testimony under oath.
You could say that the doctor previously wrote out all of the details of what he did, and packaged this written confession with whatever supporting documents he had, and then gave this packet to the priest (vicar, whatever) at his deathbed along with a brief verbal confession.
That would allow for a certain amount of suspense–Thomas could get the package in the post, or whatever, and then it takes a while to track down the priest in order to make sure that it isn’t some kind of weird hoax.
Also, how much attention do you want to pay to the details of how the Blackmailed Doctor sourced the extra baby–whether or not crimes were involved, what her birth mother thought happened, etc.–and to the impact of the Third Baby on the Crawleys (finding out that they buried and mourned a baby that wasn’t theirs, deciding what to do about the grave, etc.)?
B/c if the answer is “not much,” it might be more parsimonious to just omit the extra baby and have Blackmailed Doctor say that one twin was stillborn.
At the time, stillborn infants were usually whisked away without the parents seeing them–contrary to current practice, it was thought to be better, mentally, to just pretend the pregnancy had never happened. (And I’d bet on that going double for a pregnancy with a surviving twin: “Just look after the baby you have, don’t even think about the other one.”)
Since a stillborn wasn’t baptized, they weren’t usually eligible for a funeral service–among the poor, they were sometimes tucked into the coffin with whomever else happened to have died nearby, as a way of getting them into consecrated ground. I have no information on what the rich did, but it seems reasonable that if the doctor said, “Don’t worry about it; I’ll handle it,” they wouldn’t have asked further questions. (Indeed, one explanation for why a Victorian doctor carried such a large bag when he didn’t really have much to put in it, was discreet transportation of miscarried or stillborn infants.)
There was also no requirement to register stillbirths until 1926–nor even a way to do so if you wanted to; stillborn babies had no legal existence. As a result, Robert and Cora wouldn’t expect to have any paperwork to full out about about the second baby. (The Blackmailed Doctor can still file the secret birth certificate, whether there’s a third baby in play or not.)
So that would all work out very neatly, and what it gets you (besides not having to come up with a whole backstory for the third baby) is that you can have Cora always having thought there was something “off” about what happened.
(This is based on what you said about Robert not wanting to fight with Cora about it, by the way.)
As for the logistics, it’s actually fairly likely that Cora would have had chloroform, giving birth in the 1880′s or thereabouts. (Queen Victoria used it in 1853, which greatly popularized the practice among those who could afford it.) So even if she, say, heard the second baby cry, the doctor could tell her, “No, you didn’t, you must’ve dreamed that, the baby never drew breath” and everyone, including Cora herself, would figure that sounded reasonable.
But then when she hears the news about the doctor’s confession, she flashes back to hearing those two cries, realizes that in her heart she knew all along that both babies were born alive, and is instantly 100% on board with this unlikely scenario.
HOLY WOW THIS BLEW UP!
Currently feeling about as steam rolled as my characters! ….only, you know, in a really good way rather than a ‘Is the world ending? I think the world might be ending’ sort of a way.
Okay, okay. Trying to get my ducks in a row and make logical responses to…..everyone.
To @lindstrom2020 , @joanib and any other just generally interested parties: No, this is not currently being published. It started in 2017 as a long-short. I now refer to it as my personal Lord of the Rings as it has been busted into three parts, the first part is on it’s third revision, and while it’s looking increasingly promising that part one might be finished before I die of old age I am absolutely not starting to publish until I at least have part one nailed down, preferably a good chunk of part two hashed out in rough draft form. Otherwise we might wind up with a George R.R. Martin situation here. (I learned the hard way not to start posting long works before they’re finished). For the morbidly curious, part one is currently sitting at 22,572 words.
That said, if I ever do finish it will be going up on Ao3 where I write as Ariel_Tempest.
Now, on to the plot points.
@alex51324 Wait, I can get rid of the second baby? You promise? OH THANK GOD! Okay, that cuts out one scene and some general awkwardness. I’ll need to make sure I revise out all mentions, but that…..that kills a bug bear right there. Also, thank you for the chloroform detail. That is one of those things I’ve tried looking into a million times, for different reasons, but Google hates me.
The birth certificate thing gets kinda sticky…ish. I like @normadeathmond ‘s idea of mangling the names. Even if the spellings are on, the good Doctor could have put Robert’s middle name instead of a last. I mean, Robert Alexander or something like that looks perfectly first-and-last-ish. On the other hand, if, as @damianisinsane and Wiki* are right, then I don’t have to have it and I don’t need to revise the investigation I have so far…which I’m pretty fond of.
How does everyone think it would look if we (after dropping the second baby out of things and having a nice glass of something to celebrate that) bring in the whole ‘dying declaration’ thing that @alex51324 and @kitewithfish brought up and have the following scenario: Father’s name is missing from the certificate. Murray does some investigation - checks the documentation they have for forgery, talks to the Barrows, etc - and in the process runs across the priest. Say, for the sake of the vicar’s conscious, the good Doctor was not 100% coherent at time of death and all they could get was “Stole heir of *mumble*bert *mumble*ly” or something along those lines, so he couldn’t exactly go hunting down good ol’ ‘Bert to give him the news?
It would kill the second half of what I have for part one, but that’s…..honestly pretty alright, the second half is pretty rubbish at the moment anyway.
(*Thank you for not suggesting three books for me to go through. I’ve already checked out so many books researching the second half of this thing, I’ll take wiki for once! And any other links people want to give me! ….speaking of which, time to read through some of the ones I have. *rubs hands gleefully* )
Hi! Yeah, I thought getting rid of the Substitute Baby might be a bit of a relief: it’s like, if you don’t develop a backstory for the baby and make the reader care about her, there is a faint but noticeable whiff of Stuffing Women In Refrigerators about it, but if you do develop her character, it’s like, “Why are you making me wade through all this stuff about an Original Dead Baby Character; can’t we get back to Thomas?!?”
Much simpler just to cut that Gordian knot and head the dead baby off at the pass.
Also, @damianisinsane is right about a woman’s husband being the legal father of any child she bears in wedlock. I’d lean toward having Robert’s name on it, though (in some form), because having Cora’s and not his draws the eye toward certain questions about her fidelity, and motives she or he might have had to conceal the existence of a firstborn male. (Having Robert’s name on the certificate doesn’t rule out those scenarios, of course, but if you don’t want to write 10K words about the Crawley’s high-society frenemies gleefully speculating about who Cora had the affair with, and precisely when they decided that an heir with a 50-50 chance of being Robert’s son was better than no heir at all, it’s probably best to avoid shining a spotlight on the matter.)
I’ll cheers to getting rid of the dead substitute baby, I wasn’t sure if you wanted that to create a more sombre tone, but it does make it a bit complicated to add in another wronged family.
I agree with @alex51324‘s reasoning for having Robert’s name on there. Aside from society gossip, I could even see someone within the family with good reason to be sceptical like Mary raising the possibility that Cora had an affair (even if she has to denounce herself as illegitimate as well, she might still do it to protect George’s place in the succession). If you want a reason why the priest didn’t go to Robert, possibly you could do the deathbed confession without mentioning the parents’ titles? The doctor could say he took a baby from the Abbey and told the mother it died and direct the priest to send on the package of info. The priest assumes the mum was Cora the housemaid, not Lady Grantham, and passes everything on without opening it. Someone else reliable like the Crawley’s old housekeeper could then confirm that Cora was the only pregnant woman in the house so it could only have been her baby, then they go to the registry office and find the birth certificate confirming the parents names, if that would work?
fwiw, as well as drugged-out Cora hearing the baby crying, I would maybe add in Violet having seen something sus too. As the mother-in-law she’d be the one most likely to be in the room with Cora and typically I think would be one of the harder members of the family to convince. If she saw something (the “dead” baby moving and dodgy doctor explains it as a muscle spasm or the doctor smuggling off a weird bundle, something like that) that would explain why she’s inclined to believe despite the effect on George’s position.
Oh, so that’s what that plot hole looks like!
You ever have something staring so close to you that you know it’s there, but you can’t actually see it? Yeah. That’s this plot hole. I mean, I knew it was there, I just didn’t quite realize how big it was or how little an idea I had on how to solve it until I looked at it juuuuuuuuuuust right and…..
Um.
Yeah.
Oh boy.
Given that my plot is, as far as I know, completely unlike any real life situation that ever happened (although I could be wrong about that?), I don’t even know how to start figure it out. SO!
Crowd sourcing time!
The problem with my Thomas as Heir Novel - other than the fact that it won’t stop growing - is that with the setup I have, it can’t be conclusively proven that he is Robert and Cora’s son. It also can’t be conclusively proven that he isn’t their son. All that any investigator anywhere would be able to do is gather a bunch of evidence and go “Well, this points pretty strongly in the general direction of Yes.”
So say Robert looked at that and went “Eh, it’s good enough for state work….or at least good enough that I don’t want to fight with Cora about it and sleep in my dressing room for the rest of my natural life” - what then? I mean, I know there are no ceremonies until you actually take the title. And if he’d been born and raised Viscount Downton, there wouldn’t have been any pomp and circumstance about it, so there probably wouldn’t be any now. But it’s not like when Matthew became heir and they just shipped him in to learn the job, because he was already listed as the next in line. Thomas isn’t even on record as part of the family. So………
What? Would they just sign three lifetimes worth of paperwork, in triplicate? Send a letter to Buckingham informing their majesties that there was a Situation? Take it to a judge and say “Your honour, are we allowed to recognize this guy as our son and heir based on the existing evidence?”
WHAT?
Thoughts? Opinions?
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I think it depends on the exact circumstances (which, since the story is still in draft, you may be able to tweak?).
The most important thing is whether there is a birth certificate (or other record) of a son born to Cora while she was married to Robert. If there is, then the matter is fairly straightforward–and if there isn’t, it may be impossible.
If there is a record of a legitimate son, then they don’t have to prove that Thomas is the heir. They have to establish that he’s Robert Junior (or whatever name the birth was registered under), and the heirdom comes automatically. I’m pretty sure all it takes is the family making some kind of announcement, “Good news, everyone! We’ve found Robert Junior” (or whatever name), and then everything proceeds as if Robert Junior had had a more typical upbringing.
You could handwave the whole thing with Robert (or someone) saying something about “have Murray take care of the details” and move on, as long as nobody who has standing to do so (like Matthew, who’d be disinherited) objects publicly.
If you want to portray a formal, legal process, on the other hand, you could introduce a surmountable level of complication by saying that Robert Junior had been previously declared dead. In that case, the declaration would have to be overturned. I haven’t found any period-specific information about how that process would have worked, but a court of law would have been involved; you could do a scene where they lay out the evidence before a judge. Again, if the Crawleys are united in saying “Yes, we’re sure this is Robert Junior,” and nobody (with standing to do so) is objecting, it could be pretty pro-forma.
Another complication would be if Robert Junior was not only declared dead, but buried. Like, say, a few months after he was kidnapped, remains were found of an infant the right age and sex. (If the remains were too deteriorated for visual identification, they wouldn’t have had much to fall back on, forensically speaking. Not just no DNA, but no fingerprints/footprints or even blood typing.)
In that case, there would have been a coroner’s inquest, which would have to be reopened in order to have another go at identifying the deceased. (Even if the result was just “unknown male infant.”) That would probably involve a review of the evidence that led the inquest to conclude that the deceased infant was Robert Junior in the first place, as well as the new evidence that it wasn’t (which is to say, the evidence that Robert Junior is still alive and standing right in front of them).
Again, all of these presuppose that the heir–Robert Junior, Robert and Cora’s son–legally existed at some point. (England started requiring legal registration of births in 1837, so that isn’t too heavy a lift. Not everyone actually bothered, but it would be very unusual for a baby born to a married woman of high status not to have a birth certificate.)
If, however, the birth was never registered? In that case, I’m, like, 95% sure that the answer to the question “How do they prove Thomas is the heir?” is they can’t. Inheritance is as much about legal ties as blood ones, and the legal system does not have a mechanism for an adult son appearing out of nowhere*
(*Yes, yes, there’s the Earl of Findlater. But even if you say that Cora gave birth to Thomas before the wedding, and left the birth unregistered for that reason, you’d also have to move Downton Abbey to Scotland. Legitimation by subsequent marriage doesn’t apply to English titles.)
Anyway, or narrative purposes, if it’s necessary to say that there was no record of the birth, you’re pretty much stuck inventing a process, and have the characters hang a lampshade on the fact that this is an unprecedented situation so they have to improvise.
Just spitballing, I’d probably have the process focus on retroactively registering the birth–that is, establishing parentage and legitimacy–rather than anything directly related to him being the heir, for two reasons. One, the whole point of primogeniture and entail is that you don’t get to pick who your heir is. Two, I’m finding some information about a process for late registration of a birth. It isn’t clear whether it was possible to do so in the period in question–that link references a 1965 revision to the Registration of Births Act–but it’s at least something to go on. (For instance, the relevant office is called the General Registry Office, and the official who’d need to approve anything nonstandard is the General Registrar.)
Anyway–interesting question; I hope this helps!
Okay, first off, to @alex51324 , @o-rchidae , and @normadeathmond - THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH! That is very, very helpful and I can probably cobble something together out of what I have. I will absolutely be reading that link as soon as I’m done here.
However, since I was kinda panic flailing last night and I am not good at passing along pertinent information when panic flailing, I’m gonna step back and outline things a bit more, just in case it gives anyone any further insight.
- I started this before the movie was out and set it post series, so I really wanted it to read as something that could, almost conceivably, be canon. For me, that comes up with as plausible a reason as possible for Robert and Cora to not know they had a son for….30 plus years. So, working off information we aren’t given in the show, I came up with the following: Dr. Clarkson wasn’t at Downton at the time. He came there after the Boer war. His predecessor was being blackmailed into making sure Robert and Cora didn’t have a son, so when Cora had twins, he swapped the boy for a different baby (who didn’t survive), and smuggled him off. So as far as the family is concerned, “Robert Junior” is a girl who’s buried in the local cemetery and they don’t talk about her because that’s just not dinner conversation.
- There is a birth certificate, but it was filled out by the doctor and is…….irregular. At best. It doesn’t list a father, but it does list Cora as the mother and the Downton Cottage Hospital as place of birth (which is inaccurate - he was born at the Abbey - but still a clue in the right direction. The doctor was also kinda panic flailing here). There is also a written account of the whole proceeding which the doctor held on to until his death, at which point he willed it to Thomas.
End result is that until Thomas gets his ‘inheritance’ absolutely no one knew Robert Junior was even a thing and everyone feels like a HE shell just went off right in front of them.
Now, as noted, since this is a draft I can tweak things. If people think it’s absolutely 100% essential for Robert’s name to be on the birth certificate, I can have the doctor panic flail a bit less and put it on. I’d rather not if I don’t have to, but I can. It would certainly be easier….
And yeah. That should be a pretty good outline of the set up without, you know, spoiling the entire story.
If that leads to further feedback, lovely, if not, also lovely! As I said, I can work with what I’ve been given pretty handily I think….
….and oh god. I just realized I’ve not actually appraised the Mertons on the situation. They’re going to have to be brought in. ……………..CURSE YOU JULIAN FELLOWES AND YOUR FIVE MILLION CHARACTER CAST! *cries*
ooh, okay - for Thomas to inherit I do think it’s essential that both Robert and Cora’s names are on the birth certificate (sorry!). If there’s only one it could be questioned who the other parent is and if the child was illegitimate, which as @alex51324 pointed out wouldn’t allow him to inherit under English law. If you want the birth certificate to look a bit dodgy though, you could maybe do something with their names being listed in an odd but still identifiable way, like the surnames being listed as Grantham or misspelled as Crowley or Levenson. Birth certificates required the father’s occupation too, so that could also be unusual but not necessarily false - maybe Robert is listed as ‘landowner’ or ‘peer’ on his other children’s birth certificates but the doctor put him down as unemployed. (There might be a question of why the doctor didn’t just fill out completely false details, but as he goes on to send this info to Thomas imo it can be explained that he felt guilty and left a trail that could be followed if needed.)
With your set up, the other obstacle of family member(s) potentially mounting a court case can mostly be avoided as I think a legal battle between Thomas and George wouldn’t necessarily be an immediate concern until Robert was dying/dead.
I look forward to reading it when it’s published :)
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This source: https://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/19311556.potential-downton-abbey-filming-continues-harwich/
shows how they turned an old cinema into parts of the set. The poster on the left advertises for the movie "The Terror" from 1928. Zoom in and you'll see the names of the actresses May McAvoy and Louise Fazenda. It matches with the movie I found on IMDb. So the movie is probably also set in 1928!
HARWICH received the film star treatment as camera crews returned to shoot in locations around the town.
ooh, doesn't give away much except the timeframe, but based on this we can rule out one possible storyline - the terror wasn't released until the end of 1928, so unless the sequel spans quite a wide timescale edith giving birth will not be a part of the plot.
Orazio Gentileschi, The Lute Player (detail), c. 1612–1615. Oil on canvas, 100 × 74 cm. National Gallery of Art, Washington, D.C
Walk Past five coffins to take the crown
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The price of fame. You’ve got the glory, you gotta take the little heartaches that go with it. Now look at me: I’ve got no fame, I’ve got no glory, I’ve got no big mansions, I’ve got no money! But I’ve got - what have I got? Singin’ in the Rain (1952) dir. Gene Kelly & Stanley Donen
morticia and gomez are my favorite couple…..cara mia ❤️