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Thoughts about jonmartin from a future therapist (in grad school)
Half of you are going to hate me and half are going to love me for this, but I need to say it: jonmartin is toxic. Yes, even S5 jonmartin.
Donāt get me wrong, I love the ship as much as the next person, but looking at it from a therapeutic standpoint is so hard not to do (for me lol). Iāll explain:
Jon and Martinās bond is 100% trauma-based.
In reality, this can go okay if the trauma bond moves from shared traumatic experiences to things the couple actually has in common. But Jon and Martin never have a chance to get their relationship out of the survival stage.
This too might have been acceptable if we hadnāt seen what their relationship was like before the trauma bond. Jon hated Martin, and not just out of a misunderstanding - he fundamentally disliked Martin because of who they both were as people.
Jon only started to like Martin after he was socially isolated from his peers.
As much as Iād like to believe otherwise, this looks to me like a survival technique. Every single person in Jonās life hated him - except for Martin. Itās only human for Jon to latch onto the one person who wasnāt actively hostile towards him on a daily basis.
His dislike of Martinās personality didnāt go away, as evidenced by his sniping at Martinās quirks in S5. He suppressed it so as to cling to the one person who didnāt hate him.
Martin has no boundaries or self-respect.
Martinās self-esteem is extremely low. Understandable, due to the castās behavior towards him throughout the whole podcast. His crush on Jon - despite Jonās open dislike of him is S1&2 - never wavers.
When Jon commits crimes such as stalking his coworkers in S2, Martin is the only one who stands by him. This is the textbook recipe for an abusive relationship: one person does bad things and the other person is blind to it because they donāt believe they deserve or can have better.
This pattern continues even in S5. Martin does 95% of the communication, often forcing it onto Jon in a variety of ways: arguing, cajoling, wheedling. In a good relationship, Jon would meet Martin halfway, but he doesnāt.
If things are this bad in the height of the trauma, what happens after?
If Jon and Martin had survived after S5, my prediction for their relationship would be this:
Jon would come down from survival mode and fairly quickly realize that he is still annoyed by his and Martinās fundamental differences. He would become snappish and completely closed off, like he was in S1.
Martin, still unable to see that he deserves better treatment, would cling tighter to Jon the more Jon tries to push him away.
After that, itās more up to conjecture than anything else, but I donāt think they would fall apart right away. Rather, they would continue this cycle of Jon retreating and Martinās forced communication until one or both of them has had enough.
In conclusion, I love them both. And I love watching their dynamic, Iām still a huge fan. I just think they need so, so much therapy. Thanks for coming to my TedTalk āļø
hi, before i say anything i do not mean to be agressive, i just love their dynamic and i am excited to talk in depth about the complexicity of it! so please don't take anything i say personally or as an attack on your stance, i just want to have some civil fandom discussion :) i went off on a tangent so sorry for the long post
i dislike this take a bit because it acknowledges something that's obvious but refuses to acknowledge how complex their relationship actually is? yes their dynamic isn't perfectly healthy but it was never going to be that way because their situation doesn't leave place for a perfect relationship. the world literally ended - this isn't comparable to anything a person could ever go through irl. their bond didn't form in a particularly healthy way because of the circumstances, but i do not understand why you say he doesn't like martin in later seasons - the more obvious reason for jon being snappish is the fact that his actions killed the entire world and feels responsible, considering questions about the new world are the things he snaps about. i also don't understand how his reason for hating martin is martin as a person? at the beggining it's heavily implied he hates martin because he's an incopetent employee, which leads him to believe he is incompetent as a person, but this is untrue.
let's look at how they got to know each other; obviously not under the best circumstances, but that's a given. jon, during early season 2, doesn't let himself trust anyone. hovewer, his hatred of martin isn't unwavering here as you described - this is the moment his opinion of martin changes. we know he and martin spent time together regularly, considering we know martin dragged jon out for lunch. i would risk saying they get to know each other pretty well because of this, as aside from fear-induced recorder rambling jon seems to act civil with martin. jon changes his opinion of martin fundamentally, discovering the reason he disliked martin to be untrue (martin isn't an incompetent person at all, just not qualified for his job, which is different). the initial discovery leads to paranoia for some time, but it's because of jon's own poor mental state. after the reveal of martin's cv and then learning his coworkers didn't murder gertrude, he tries to be civil to everyone else - including martin. he also gets better when it comes to his treatment of them. during this season, we can also see the things you mentioned about martin, such as his blindness to jon's awful behavior. while this isn't totally untrue, i think it's more complicated than martin having a crush. he defends jon to tim, who's reasonably angry, but he does call out jon on his behavior - not only during the intervention, but also directly to jon in conversation and urges him to speak to tim. he doesn't believe jon can do no wrong in this scenario - he believes jon deserves to be forgiven for how he acted considering the circumstances. normally, this is probably questionable, and i can't say martin's very easy forgiveness doesn't come from years of being treated poorly by somebody he loves - it's definitely part of the problem - but i think it's a grey area considering martin personally went through the encounter with jane prentiss and can relate to jon's paranoia personally.
at the point he says he thinks jon was framed for murdering sasha and leitner in s3, he has a lot more reasons to suspect jon isn't the culprit aside from his personal feelings and acknowledges it to basira. i'm not saying this is healthy and that his opinions aren't influenced by his crush at all, because that would be untrue, but i think that's not all there is to it and context is important here - it's not like he's wrong, anyhow. jon also doesn't latch onto martin during season 3, he cuts himself off from all of his friends (archives crew+georgie), believing the further he goes into the investigation, the further he will trap them - something he hates and feels guilty for, so he keeps his distance. he's moving out of georgie's when she makes him promise to reach out to others; and after he returns from getting kidnapped by nikola, he reaches out to martin under georgie's advice. i believe this isn't jon naturally clinging onto the closest person who doesn't despise him, as basira at that point doesn't particularly hate him either, he has no reason to dislike martin anymore, and reaching out didn't come naturally - he did it because he was taking georgie's advice. he shows concern for all the assistants as well as for martin specifically. when he returns from america, he manages to be civil with melanie and basira, too - melanie is definitely snappish but she doesn't out-right hate jon by then. martin is naturally a very caring person, and jon seems to find a little respite in martin's effort at a casual conversation, and overall treats him much much better than he started out - taking martin's word and plans into consideration, openly trusting him, caring for his well-being. that first impression is gone and irrelavant now, that's clear.
in season 4, the things you said about martin really come to light; he distances himself to keep others safe and because of his low self esteem, the grief he's going through and past parental neglect it comes so easy. that's when jon latches onto martin, trying to not let him go; but it's not because martin is the only one nice to him - martin isn't nice to jon during this at all. jon cares about martin, has seen him for the kind and caring person he is, and wants to save him - but at the same time, he trusts martin and refuses to go back to how he was before, even if it means he can't keep him close. that doesn't mean he's not concerned, though - when he finds a way to get out, martin is the first person he tells. martin doesn't react well, but jon never stops trusting him, even at the end, where he finds out peter is leading martin to the panopticon - he has doubts whether the tape informing him is beneficial to whatever martin is planning. but he goes down, and leads him out of the lonely. i don't think, if he actually disliked martin as a person, he would be able to do that.
martin is a character who gives away parts of himself to help others - something steeming from his childhood. it's decades deep trauma. this is where he learns that even though he has good intentions, 'being understanding' can't come above his own life and self image. this is where he learns that if he gives in and harms himself to help others, if he isolates himself, he won't actually help anything at all - like georgie said to jon earlier in season 3. what they both need is an anchor, not a sacrifice. it's jon who makes him realise this.
in season 5, because of martin learning he can't use himself as a fire to keep others warm, he consistently calls out jon when he refuses to communicate. while jon often doesn't react kindly to questions about the change, i would like to reiterate my stance that he's that way because of the world literally ending, and does at least try to communicate upon being called out for being uncooperative.
during the course of this podcast they didn't only change their opinions about each other; they changed as people. jon, upon having the chance to heal, wouldn't instantly revert to the pricklish person he was before, and martin wouldn't suddenly go back to giving pieces of himself away and keeping isolated. even though what they went through is literally incomprehensible, they are still trying their best to make the most out of their relationship. they are doing their best to be good for each other during the literal apocalypse. of course they aren't healthy - they are deeply traumatised people who have their own problems that clash sometimes, especially under high stress situations. but i don't like to think their relationship is toxic. i think it's false, post season 5, to claim that being together would make them worse, when they're trying to uplift each other's hopes and call out each other's flaws, while doing their best to remain kind and understanding.
yes they have lots of therapy to go through. but as long as they have that chance to really heal, they would make it work.
Wow, thatās an amazing analysis! I enjoyed reading it, and you have some great points that I didnāt think about. I admit, I havenāt listened to TMA in a bit - Iām following along with Protocol at the moment, so I was inspired to make this from what I remembered.
I like to think that with a lot of therapy, theyād be able to make it work and become better people together, like you said! But Jon and Martin arenāt exactly best case scenario people. Personally, I canāt get past their communication issues. Theyāve never had good communication (because of Jon) and I donāt think he would be able to fix that in this post-S5 survival fantasy.
Trauma can cause people to do many different things - like closing off from those around them. Based on how Jonās default is to close himself off (as weāve seen over the seasons), Iām making an educated guess that he would revert to that. Itās possible he would open up more with some therapy, but I donāt think he would, and hereās why:
I donāt think Jon respects Martin. And I know youāve refuted that, but I disagree with that aspect of your argument. In S5, heās:
constantly leaving Martin out of major decisions
withholding information despite Martinās repeated requests that he be allowed to know whatās going on
mentioning that heās not a poetry guy despite Martinās love of it (less about him not liking poetry and more about him refusing to share Martinās interest and looking down on it)
dismissing Martinās opinions about various people or tasks
Iām sure thereās more, but thatās what I could remember off the top of my head. Yes, the argument can be made that these things happened due to Jon being the Architect and the strain of knowing literally everything. But this behavior isnāt limited to S5. He has always done this to Martin, from the very beginning.
Jon may be kinder and more willing to work on his relationship with Martin as the seasons go on, but ultimately I think it still suffers from the same problems it always has. After S5, Jon would still be fundamentally himself.
My opinion is changed on Martin, though. Iād forgotten that he didnāt approve of Jonās misdemeanors, and I think youāre right that he would willing to stand up for whatās right against Jon.
Post-S5, Martin would probably push Jon to go to therapy - or Jon might even go himself in an attempt to change. In the event that Jon actually begins to respect Martin, the relationship would become healthy.
But respect is hard to give if not given in the first place, because it means changing fundamental views that the giver holds true in their psyche. It would be a long and grueling process for Jon. If Martin is able to gain self-worth in therapy, he might not be willing to stick around to help Jon gain that respect.
Iād like to add one more thing: Jonās final decision, taking over the Eye after Martin expressly forbids him not to, is to me a culmination of the toxicity of their relationship.
Jon knew Martin, and he knew Martin would likely not leave him to go into danger alone. Itās possible he willfully suppressed this knowledge because he wanted to sacrifice himself so badly, so he pretended everything would go to plan.
Itās my opinion that Jon knew about the bomb being set off. He may not have Known, since both the inside of the tower and his friends were a blind spot, but he knew Melanie and Georgie. He knew they wouldnāt take any chances. I think he wanted to die, and this is supported by things he said in all the seasons.
If he went to die, and simultaneously knew Martin would follow him in with the intent never to leave him, we have to conclude that Jon let Martin die for him, for no other reason than that he himself wanted to die so badly that he didnāt care if Martin went with him.
This is pretty grim, and I understand if you think differently - we definitely seem to have different opinions on Jonās psyche. But I appreciate you taking the time to debate with me!
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Thoughts about jonmartin from a future therapist (in grad school)
Half of you are going to hate me and half are going to love me for this, but I need to say it: jonmartin is toxic. Yes, even S5 jonmartin.
Donāt get me wrong, I love the ship as much as the next person, but looking at it from a therapeutic standpoint is so hard not to do (for me lol). Iāll explain:
Jon and Martinās bond is 100% trauma-based.
In reality, this can go okay if the trauma bond moves from shared traumatic experiences to things the couple actually has in common. But Jon and Martin never have a chance to get their relationship out of the survival stage.
This too might have been acceptable if we hadnāt seen what their relationship was like before the trauma bond. Jon hated Martin, and not just out of a misunderstanding - he fundamentally disliked Martin because of who they both were as people.
Jon only started to like Martin after he was socially isolated from his peers.
As much as Iād like to believe otherwise, this looks to me like a survival technique. Every single person in Jonās life hated him - except for Martin. Itās only human for Jon to latch onto the one person who wasnāt actively hostile towards him on a daily basis.
His dislike of Martinās personality didnāt go away, as evidenced by his sniping at Martinās quirks in S5. He suppressed it so as to cling to the one person who didnāt hate him.
Martin has no boundaries or self-respect.
Martinās self-esteem is extremely low. Understandable, due to the castās behavior towards him throughout the whole podcast. His crush on Jon - despite Jonās open dislike of him is S1&2 - never wavers.
When Jon commits crimes such as stalking his coworkers in S2, Martin is the only one who stands by him. This is the textbook recipe for an abusive relationship: one person does bad things and the other person is blind to it because they donāt believe they deserve or can have better.
This pattern continues even in S5. Martin does 95% of the communication, often forcing it onto Jon in a variety of ways: arguing, cajoling, wheedling. In a good relationship, Jon would meet Martin halfway, but he doesnāt.
If things are this bad in the height of the trauma, what happens after?
If Jon and Martin had survived after S5, my prediction for their relationship would be this:
Jon would come down from survival mode and fairly quickly realize that he is still annoyed by his and Martinās fundamental differences. He would become snappish and completely closed off, like he was in S1.
Martin, still unable to see that he deserves better treatment, would cling tighter to Jon the more Jon tries to push him away.
After that, itās more up to conjecture than anything else, but I donāt think they would fall apart right away. Rather, they would continue this cycle of Jon retreating and Martinās forced communication until one or both of them has had enough.
In conclusion, I love them both. And I love watching their dynamic, Iām still a huge fan. I just think they need so, so much therapy. Thanks for coming to my TedTalk āļø
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Male/male 1 is when the larger male gator topped, male/male 2 is when the smaller male topped
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Okay but imagine if all this sex happened between breeding pairs. Florida would not exist due to the alligator threat. The world would be overrun with alligators. They would be the new apex predator. If God hadnāt made alligators gay, we would be drowning in the consequences of straightness being the āonly natural sexualityā
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