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Awkward Hänschen >>> Manipulative Hänschen
Ok this is definitely just me but I need them to make a spring awakening movie simply because there were elements of the side character’s lives that were omitted (for time constraints) in the musical and I think it would be neat to see these be explored more in a movie adaptation.
- Melchior and Moritz’s relationship borders on homoerotic. Perhaps this is confirmation bias as someone who is gay myself, however the way in which Moritz in particular talks about Melchior is the closest to desire we see in his character. Melchior is who he talks about sex with, Melchior is who he asks to unbutton his shirt, Melchior is who he thinks of when he is about to die by suicide. At the very least I wish that their closeness (whether interpreted as platonic or romantic) would be expanded upon further.
- There exists a contrast between Ernst and Moritz in the play where they are both the lowest performers in their class (and thus are fighting for the chance of promotion), and it’s highlighted that Ernst comes from a supportive family (not in regards to his sexuality) in that he would be able to find another occupation and lead a relatively normal life even if he failed, whereas Moritz’s family is so unsupportive of him that he internalizes this and wishes he had never been born. I think diving deeper into this would allow for Moritz’s backstory to be developed a bit more, and also perhaps providing some context as to why Ernst longs for a simple life in the countryside.
- Ilse provides so much information about the artist colony with which she is staying with (my translations are different, but all names of the group are tangential to sex, eg. Orgasmius), and I believe that this would translate far better if we actually got to see what her life was like both in the bohemian group where she was put into a lot of danger, and also what decision led her to running away form home in the first place. Perhaps it is implied that she has gone through some of the similar abuse to the likes of Martha.
- Although Thea does not have as many lines as other characters in the play, her character is expanded upon further in the original play as opposed to the musical, and especially regarding her own family’s control over her body and gender presentation I think that an exploration of her character (as written in the play version) would serve the central themes of the play both about loss of innocence as well as control (especially when added onto the loss of autonomy Martha, and later Wendla face regarding their bodies)
- This is a minor critique however I would love to see more expansion of Hanschen’s character. I know im biased but I would like some modern portrayal of spring awakening where he is shown to be less of a pompous asshole. That is not to say he’s not grossly overeducated and arrogant, however it is also clear that he has a deep concern for his friends (Ernst, Moritz, Georg), especially Ernst. This concern and care for Ernst which is demonstrated early into the play (in which he asks whether Ernst was going to move up a grade) would better set the stage for the vineyard scene at the end of the show.
I will probably add more to this, I just wanted to share my thoughts and love for this show!
Spring Awakening fans dyt that making a series of SpAw instead of a movie would be a good or bad idea
Maybe like a four episode limited series. Otherwise there you wouldn't be enough to adapt. I would use the extra time to explore some of the smaller characters but to help build the existing story. Like giving Hanschen and Ernst some more moments. A movie would work to though.
— Euripides, Trojan Women (trans. by A. Shapiro)
Gosh you gotta love how Hecuba in "Trojan Women" tries to debunk Helen!
Like seriously I love it how she starts with how Helen's claims that the three goddesses had been promised something to Paris by saying that there is no way Hera would sell the Greeks to anyone and that there is no way that Athena would ever sell Athens to someone else to rule
And then proceeds by saying it is ridiculous that Hera or Athena would be fighting each other for the title of beauty given that Hera would have no other husband to pursue or Athena who is a sworn virgin!
Hecuba: First I shall defend the goddesses and I will prove to you how she bends the truth! I don't believe for one second that Hera or virgin Pallas would befall in such stupidity; that the one would just sell Argos (Greece) to the barbarians or that Pallas would ever allow Athens to be enslaved to the Phrygians, coming to this spot of Ida in such childish manner for this beauty contest. And would Hera have such a huge desire to contest her beauty; like was she aiming to get a better husband than Zeus? Or Athena who detested marriage so much that she managed to be given the right to keep her virginity by her father, was after some other god ? Do not be so foolish trying to use the goddesses to justify your evil! No wise man would ever believe it!
(Translation by me)
Hahahaha I mean okay obviously the goddesses could still be wishing to be called beautiful even if they are not looking for husbands (although Hecuba was clever to put it that way) but the first part was actually a brilliant argument like...according to the Judgement of Paris, Athena promised to Paris he would be the greatest warrior ever and Hera that he would be king of all. Like both of these promises would involve one way or another the destruction of Greece or its humiliation and neither of these goddesses seem capable of betraying that!
Man, Hecuba you are good! You definitely are!
You know who I’d like to see more stories about? Hecuba, the Queen of Troy. Her story is genuinely so tragic.
She loses her husband, all of her children, and her kingdom/title
She finds out that one of her daughters, Polyxena, was “claimed” by the ghost of Achilles’ as one of his spoils of war and she is brutally murdered at his tomb
Her other daughter, Cassandra, is claimed by Agamemnon the asshole as his “bride prize” and she’s carted off, never to be seen again
Her daughter-in-law is also shipped off to be a “bride prize”
Her grandson is thrown off a roof by Odysseus, the man who Hecuba becomes the “prize” of
As she sets off for Ithaca, she finds out that the man who was supposed to be keeping guard over her last remaining son, Polydorus, has not only stolen the riches meant for him, but that Polydorus had also been murdered
But despite that, in my mind, she gets the last laugh. Not only does she claw out the eyes of and (in some interpretations) kill the man who killed her final son, she manages to be free from having to belong to Odysseus by turning into a dog and even the gods take pity on her.
Hecuba’s story is another wonderful example of the rage of a bereaved mother and the incredibly sad realities of what happened to the losing side after a war.
[Euripides, Trojan Women, trans. Emily Wilson]
Cicero says this in the Pro Caelio. Can we talk about this.
Hecuba trying to organize her daughter's funeral in Euripides utterly destroys me every time! 😭😭😭
We do see in Euripides's "Hecuba" how Hecuba has just received the news that not only is she not to be killed alongside her daughter but also she is mentioned how now her daughter is dead! The great sorrow of hers is manifested in her character but also on her trying to prepare her daughter for the funeral and everything she orders is a punch in anyone's stomach for sure!
Now you, take this jug, my old maid, and dip it here in the divine sea so I will give my daughter her last bath; prepare her as a bride that was never meant to be a bride, a virgin that is no longer...bathe her and dress her as it is suitable but with what? How can I do that? What do I have? I have to gather valuables from other captives, companions of mine at the tents, ask them if any of them have stolen valuables from their homes and hidden them under the noses of their masters.
(Translation by me)
Gosh my heart! 😭😭😭 Not only do we see Hecuba trying to occupy her mind from her tragedy but also struggling to do what she should do and offer her daughter decent funeral but she also seems to struggle to get some of her queenly attitude by ordering her maids or at least her previous maids. Also notice how Euripides uses the word λάτρις here which is basically and roughly translated as "maid" or "handmaid" but it is also sometimes more specifically translated as "hired servant" so it seems that the maid that she talks to was not initially a slave but a hired servant? Which is already a crazy analogy that Euripides uses for shock value and criticism!
What I find most tragic though is how she literally is ready to offer the funerary rights and then she immediately realizes that she has nothing to give for the funeral; no trinkets or jewelry or anything of value and she immediately talks to herself for it that she has nothing (Euripides is a master writer for human drama that's for sure!) and then she immediately basically says that she will have to beg or demand or collect whatever she can find from other slave girls that might as well have hidden in their clothes or anywhere they could find before their masters claimed them
The raw image is also how the valuables were taken away by the conquerors so many women might as well try and hide anything they can carry and hope that they will not be discovered. This practice is being done forever. Even in modern history we know that people would hide valuables in their clothes or other so that they would have something with them in their new life or something that has emotional or religious value to them!
I also love the way Hecuba describes her daughter with the word-games of opposite meaning "a bride" νύμφη but she shall never marry ἄνυμφος or "a virgin" παρθένος that is no longer virgin (aka no longer alive but also no longer a virgin in the essence that she is ritually "married" to Achilles with the sacrifice) ἀπάρθενος
GOSH THE PAIN!!! 😭😭😭 😭😭😭 😭😭😭 😭😭😭
Euripides when I catch you!!!!
Honestly Andromache's lament for herself in "Trojan Women" always gets me!
Andromache is depicted as someone that takes the blows that come at her. Unlike Cassandra who went to a state of temporary insanity or Hecuba that curses everyone hither thither, Andromache seems to internalize everything and seriously her dilemma is heartbreaking;
The child of Achilles wished to have me as his spouse; enslaved inside my master's home. Then if I shall push aside my love for my beloved Hector so that I will love my new husband then I shall be despicable for the dead; however if I choose to hate my masters then I shall be hated.
(Translation by me)
Okay I have to say this monologue gets me! For instance at this stage Andromache has not yet heard fully what is to happen to her son so all her worries and concerns are about herself. She knows that she is to become the spouse of Neoptolemus and her dilemma seems to be clear; -> Shall I force myself to love him and be hated by the dead or hate him and be hated by the living? For once I adore how Euripides used the word "δάμαρ" for "spouse" which derives from the word "δαμάζω" which means "to tame" or "to submit to one's will" so the term is already emotional to her.
However Andromache now has a dilemma. According to the legal system she too is familiar with, now she is a slave and she is supposed to be loyal to her masters. But of course she knows she is conflicted here because how can someone love anyone else but their beloved one right? But if she doesn't then she goes against what she is "supposed to do" plus her current status. And I believe the next fear she has takes the cake...like...by far!
And yet they say that one night is enough to destroy the disdain of a woman for her husband; and yet I spit upon that kind of woman that erases her love for her late husband by marrying and loving another. Even a mare wouldn't happily drag the plow, if she was separated by her stablemate. And yet the animals have no voice or reason and are inferior to humans!
(Translation by me)
My heart! MY HEART! Andromache here seems to be both terrified and resentful because of a rumor that seems to be moving around female nature aka that once they bed a new man, they forget the love of their old one! And yet Euripides shows us that not everyone believes that. He makes Andromache fear it and also despise it by saying that even a horse wouldn't forget a stable-mate so fast! No seriously makes me feel even more how unfair it is for people to call Euripides "misogynistic" even through the lenses of someone born thousands of years before! Because yes we do see him speak on the gender roles of his time but also we hear characters, women no less, speak with fear, disdain or disgust about some rumors and ideas of the time which could be also translated in Euripides's (and other people's) opinions on the matter.
Andromache both fears that she might "forget Hector in Neoptolemus's bed" and at the same time she says that she despises that. Has she perhaps seen it before in some other woman she knows? Is she even speaking indirectly about women like Helen whom now she despises deep down for everything that happened? Whichever it is, she does not agree so more or less she tells us that she will try to be obedient because she has no choice but at the same time she clarifies how she will do whatever she can never to let go of her love for Hector.
In fact she confirms with the next passage:
Ah my beloved Hector! I had you as my husband and that was enough for me! You who were endowed with wisdom, noble line, wealth and great bravery; you who received me pure from my father's home and you were the first to make this virgin a wife. However now you are gone and I am to be taken with a ship towards Greece, captive and bearing the shackles of slavery!
(Translation by me)
No this says it all! She remembers how she married Hector and how she loved him as a young woman and now she mourns her fate to be taken to Greece within the ships of Neoptolemus! Euripides is arguably THE GOAT of human emotion writing and Andromache will never stop being one of her most tragic figures!
I LOVE HECUBA SHES SUCH A QUEEN
Oh my gosh how FURIOUS Euripides must have been to the city of Athens when he wrote and presented his "Trojan Women" when he placed Poseidon and Athena opening the play and agreeing both of them that the Greeks need to be punished!?
Like...POSEIDON AND ATHENA!
In a play performed in ATHENS!
This was Euripides clearly telling to everyone in Athens "See? Even the two gods whose beef created your city now agree that the atrocities you performed to Melos are unacceptable and deserve punishment!"
Euripides truly was the GOAT for it! No wonder he made history even if he had the great masters like Aeschylus or even Sophocles to compete against! The dude looked his very audience in the eye and from the very beginning, right off the bat he told them that even the gods that fought each other for the city they live in would unitedly condemn them!
A Post About Andromache
Andromache's story speaks to many atrocities that are gravely overlooked because she is a woman.
Women in The Iliad, and in ancient Greece, were responsible for grieving -- grief was "women's work" (and to some, still is). The notion has beautiful cultural traditions attached to it, but in The Iliad, we also see how that can take a toll during times of war and immense grief. Andromache mourns for not just herself, but her husband, her husband's family, her lineage, her people, and so on -- but because she is a woman, fans of The Iliad (rather than scholars primarily, though Classics is a heavily male-dominated field as well) tend to scrape over her story. It becomes normal to see women as holders of tragedy, and while the nature of the events that occur in specific and direct relation to her are incredibly powerful and noteworthy, Andromache herself is often swept under the rug in place of female characters who take on a more sexual character role. No one wants to watch a woman grieve, but even more-so, no one wants to see Andromache as anything more than the events that occur around / to her. She becomes the embodiment of this grief, a voice for all women who experience these wartorn tragedies, yet at the same time that notion strips her of her individuality as a character and woman. We begin look at her story through the lens of a model, an archetype, a voice of thousands, and we forget to empathize with how personal her story is, not just in general but to her as a character. We see her as the woman to describe all women, but in doing so, we lose sight of the person that woman is. We miss her ferocity, loyalty, empathy [and other traits] . . . and we replace her and interpret her as a symbol, an image of a woman in The Iliad or ancient Greece, something "beyond" or "more than" a woman when we should be seeing her as her own character alongside this.
When we take away the intricacies of her as an individual person, her womanhood becomes a statement rather than an experience. She becomes the face of statistics (as an easy comparison to modern times), we begin forgetting about her humanity and instead we treat her as a concept.
I don't think this is inherently bad, but something we should be mindful of when interacting with The Iliad -- I think it's important to still see her as her own person, not only because of how her autonomy may have been restricted like many women in The Iliad (and if we're going to talk about the plight of women in The Iliad then we should acknowledge our part in these interpretations that at times can further this), but because her story is hers for a reason and her pain, her grief, is hers and not something that should be overlooked on a personal level. I think if we do see her as a concept, as a symbol, then we should take great care to not dismiss her as her own woman too.
I think this is something wonderfully depicted in The Iliad. We see moments of her own grief in private, as well as moments of her leading public grieving. Of course, not everybody overlooks her -- and even if they did, The Iliad can be such a subjective reading experience -- but I do see a lot of fans and even characters overlook her, which is why I wanted to talk about this a bit formally yet also a bit casually.
I feel like, in general, you can only minimize a story like hers so much, no matter how overlooked or acknowledged she is, it will still be prominent just given the nature of it. Given that, I'm not saying her story is erased or completely neglected, it's certainly a powerful story that many of us know, have seen or read depictions of, etc. I just really want to hone in on this idea that turning her womanhood into a symbol often simultaneously strips her (and thus, the audience) from her personal grief.
Women are always something other than a woman. A symbol, an object, etc. Sometimes it's demeaning, sometimes it's empowering, but every time it's easy to overlook her individual experience in honour of the broader community. Fans often take her grief and move on from it to examine the story of women in The Iliad in general -- as more detailed representation of all the women who lost loved ones in the Trojan War -- and I think it was genius of Homer to include this for us to really take a look at, think about, discuss, and come to conclusions over (albeit, I'd also argue that by showing us this reflection of how we treat women, he is perpetuating that treatment of women, but this is all a very subjective and nuanced conversation, and I'll table going too far into Homer specifically because I do want to focus more on Andromache and what I've been talking about here). When we think about it though, we don't often think of men in these terms -- instead of seeing Achilles' rage as the rage of all men or the firey, blazing symbol of manhood, we see many examples of male characters being angry and we still see Achilles as his own character (this is just one example of many).
I think there's space for us to acknowledge these larger concepts without neglecting the individual women that make them up. I think being mindful of how we think about and understand Andromache and how we either dismiss or share her story is really integral to this.
By turning Andromache's womanhood into a movement, we take her womanhood and we drench it of all things that make her unique as a woman. We lose touch with how deeply we can resonate with Andromache because we make her a statue rather than a being with words, actions, feelings, etc. Of course, she is a fictional character, but I think you all get what I'm trying to say here.
I understand normalizing this community aspect of womanhood and how female characters are depicted, but I think in The Iliad we're also given an opportunity here to see women as more than that (especially as how Andromache is featured whereas other women, while often mentioned, are not) and I just think it's something many of us could benefit from reflecting and / or pondering more about. We see the representation of women like Andromache as so lacking in availability, accessibility or inclusion, that we forget how full it can be when it is happening, and I think it's really important to be aware of that habit that some of us forge behaviorally and instinctually when interacting with literature and viewing women as characters in stories. While every character has a role, woman or not, I just wanted to acknowledge that while I understand the need for women as symbols, I think we should still take the time to acknowledge them as not just symbols and still appreciate their inclusion as individual characters as well.
At this point, you know my stance: I think we should normalize recognizing her as her own being in deep ways and truly connect with the text beyond just making her a framework, archetype or generalized figure. We don't balance her duties as a woman and what she represents with how intricate it is for her as an individual, and I think we're presented with an opportunity to consider otherwise with Andromache. It's great that she is a character that many of us can relate to, but I think she's still more than just a theme or a message, she's still a character, a woman, her own person who went through hell in The Iliad and other stories. I really admire her and I think many of us can learn a lot from examining her through this lens I'm presenting about Andromache!
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guys, did i just write the song of purple summer?
yayyy spring awakening textposts (sorry if any of these have been done before i was not trying to copy anyone)
"spare the horses...all horses are catholic!" line of the fucking year that is.
Anyways, Arthur being a conservative and Rafferty being so outraged by old-age pensions? Yup, they're definitely soulmates. They should take each other's hand and ride into the sunset together.