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"'I told you once, dear, that you should never cry in public,' Polgara said to [Ce'Nedra]. 'You just don't have the right coloring for it.'"
Chapters: 1/? Fandom: Belgariad/Malloreon Series - David & Leigh Eddings Rating: Mature Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply Characters: Sadi (Belgariad/Malloreon), Bethra (Belgariad/Malloreon) Additional Tags: Alternate Universe - Canon Divergence, Poisoning, Unconventional Relationship Summary:
This is an AU where Bethra survives the assassination attempt and joins the group in the Malloreon. Mostly because I want to explore how she would have interacted with Sadi.
I totally forgot that the Nyissans are talking with a lisp.
can someone please edit a horse to make it look less horrible
i have stared at this…. thing, this fucking DEMON for like 10 solid minutes trying to come up with some single phrase to describe fucking awful this is, and i just can’t. this is easily - EASILY - the worst thing i’ve ever seen in my life, and that includes the brain surgery i observed when i was in college. everyone on this site fuckin goes on and on about “cursed images” but i seriously feel like this fucking land shark is going to reach out of my computer and eat my face. if i saw a pack of these running towards me down a hill, i would do everything in my power to kill myself before they reached me. i would rather be eaten alive by rats then ever see this again. this is truly, genuinely horrible on both a physical & emotional level. all of this doesn’t even begin to cover how much i hate this fucking thing. this fucking hellhound. this goddamn long-mouthed…… fucking… fuck it. i’m not finishing this. i need to stop looking at this. fuck you
i like it
It’s a hrulgin
Hrulgin, fighting! Gives me the creeps..
(Ulgoland)
SORRY DASH STRETCHER AHEAD
BUT CAN WE TALK ABOUT how gorgeous the Japanese covers are for the Belgariad Series by David and Leigh Eddings(for later books)? I mean seriously.
And the Malloreon covers HNGHH
and the prequels of Belgarath the Sorcerer
and Polgara the Sorceress?
CAN WE JUST TALK ABOUT THIS GORGEOUS ART AND THE CONTINUITY WITHIN SAID COVERS AND THESE WONDERFUL BOOKS AND CHARACTERS AND ALL OF THE FEELINGS? *melts into a puddle of nostalgic mush*
IS THERE A FANDOM FOR THIS BOOK SERIES ON HERE? LET ME COME FIND YOU. *digs into the depths of tumblr*
and also how ever since pancakestein named Rose’s underpants Belgarath I have had the urge to re-read the entire series
Art by HACCAN
I'm a bit frustrated with the tree in the Vale of Aldur. It's definitely a reference to Yggdrasil and there are hints to how it's able to sustain people without food or drink (Belgarath) and give them secret knowledge (Polgara learning the nature of time and how to understand the language of birds). But it sort of ends there.
"The Belgariad" is such a... bizarre place in fantasy literature. It is truly... liminal. It is a pivotal work, quite literaly. And the quintessence of 80s American fantasy. The type of stuff you cannot ignore even though you likely never heard about it.
It was a rebirth. As the Tolkien mania of the 60s and 70s died out, as "epic fantasy" lost its breath, "The Belgariad" came to prove that you could still do classic fantasy inspired by Lord of the Rings and make it work. It took all the motifs, all the exceptations, all the tropes, and used them fully while subverting and twisting them enough to rekindle the flame and passion. And this resulted in a series deemed a very good introduction to the fantasy genre, fondly remembered as a "teenage read" or a "first fantasy read" ...
... Yet it was never a full parody, nor an actual deconstruction, as it was a follow-up and pastiche first and foremost. So, when you get into the genre deeper, when you reach the great classics, the Belgariad can feel too simplistic or stale. In many ways it starts feeling like a D&D work quite literaly - mashing together fantasy inspirations and offering a plot that feels at time like a D&D campaign laid down. While a reference in its time, it fell into mainstream obscurity thanks to its' creator stern (if not pedantic) refusal for the books to ever be adapted in any way or form. And it is filled with stuff that today's sensibilities, or just any adult mind, immediately recognizes as nasty - toxic relationships, casual racism, moralistic preaching, abuse excuses... (I am not talking of the narrative presenting or using these elements, I am talking about the texts soaking in them and treating them as normal in an un-ironic way)
It is a work that tries and succeeds to be funny, by having caricatural characters, joke-cracking ones, and by pointing out the absurdity of some of its own situations. Yet it is still a work that remains serious and presents itself as epic - down to the covers and recaps often making it sound like a dark, if not edgy fantasy... And yet the series remains funny by accident because of how ridiculous some characters were made, and how badly-written some parts are - meaning it ends up feeling (or being better appreciated) as an humoristic fantasy, even though it is not.
It was a work progressive and inventive for its time, that pointed out or got rid of the flaws of mass-derived, copy-pasted Lord of the Rings imitators of the Tolkien-mania era (and flaws that would return in the 2000s due to the craze around the Lord of the Rings movie). It was "updating sword and sorcery for a modern audience"... But in the 80s. Meaning it aged, and aged quite badly, in a way that made the Belgariad so very cliche and stereotypical that it is now considered the very example of mass-marketed product without uniqueness it wanted to get above in the first place... And yet that was the point as the Belgariad was basically trying to show you could still do LotR pastiches and epic-fantasy-cliches and make it work - by just putting a minimum effort.
And yet, despite its simplicity, its flaws, its embracing of cliches, it still managed to trigger imaginations and perpetuate the marvels of "epic fantasy". The art that was made out of it proves it. It managed to fill heads with grandiose images, to conjure wonderful designs, to suscitate otherwordly visions, to evoke a mythical feeling... And like any respectable, old-fashioned fantasy work it got its own obscure music named after it. (Check out "Wizards of Aldur" on Youtube and their fantasy synth albums inspired by the Belgariad books). This is why, even though re-reads often cause disappointment, unease, or even rage, they also will make you chuckle, suscitate nostalgia and offer some pay-off. At least, if you make peace with what the series is and the context it was created in and the effects it had later on.
In conclusion... These books are charming by their simplicity and their cheeky tone, but it is these same simplicity and cheeky tone that makes them frustrating and unpleasant down the line. It was a series influential for at least two generations and which earned its place as part of a cemented era of fantasy, yet remains a poster child or what not to do in fantasy anymore.
I still hold "The Belgariad" as the best (and maybe the only) part of the Eddings' large set of fantasy series.
Its sequel, "The Malloreon", is by everyone's agreement a massive letdown, that loses the freshness and novelty of the first installment (being a sequel series), "Flanderizes" the characters, and that, for me, has no literary or narrative value. Its main interest solely relies on how it expands the first series' lore and worldbuilding while nuancing (though too late) its manichean divide (and even then not really, it just makes it a bit less racist).
"The Elenium" is maybe the only other Eddings fantasy piece I would say is worth a read - because the same way The Belgariad was a variation on the LotR-formula, The Elenium is a twist-rewrite of The Belgariad and thus a fascinating example of how a writer can rewrite their own book in a way that works. The Belgariad's flaws pass much easier in a bitter, more cynical, more mature work of openly dark fantasy like "The Elenium"... But "The Elenium" is also the key that opens the mind to all the unsavory subtext and disturbing recurring elements present throughout the Eddings' works. (It was notably my eye-opener when it came to the casualness and openness of the ephebophilia in the books, that borders on pedophilia one too many times for me).
"The Tamuli" is "The Malloreon" all over again... And while I never read "The Redemption of Althalus", I did try reading the "Dreamers" book and by gosh was the charm worn out, I chucked this farce of a novel out of the window as soon as I could.
Sadi shaves his head out of habit and preference but is likely not balding since male pattern baldness is caused by testosterone.
I have such a love-hate relationship with the Eddings fantasy series. I tried to explain it in a post... But it turns out either into an insanely long dissertation, into a completely unhinged rambling that sounds like pure chaos. But it is a good reflection of how complex and frustrating it is to deal with these series.
So for now I will just say that these series have so many good things for them, and have a key part in the evolution of fantasy literature... And yet have just as many things to be hated for, and so many reasons to be disliked.
I think the most important point is that the Eddings couple was good at two things. On one side, the subversion and twist of fantasy tropes - well, what WAS at the time fantasy stereotypes and cliches - and as one reviewer said, the Eddings would have probably produced better books if they were fantasy parodies or humoristic novels. On the other side, they are excellent at character concept, basic worldbuilding and iconic scenes... but fail when it comes to complexity or plot-building/narrative-flow. Which is why, as I said previously, the Eddings would have been excellent at writing campaign scripts. Just take the Malloreon: it feels SO MUCH like a campaign manual rather than an actual novel series...
Note: By the Eddings series, I refer specifically to The Belgariad, The Elenium and The Malloreon. I do plan on reading the Tamuli at one point, but I am NOT speaking about The Dreamers because I went through more than half of the first book and its shit. Pure shit.
Back to the topic... Yes, the Eddings series are so frustrating as a whole.
They are funny, but very dated. They have cool concepts and ideas, but they have typical 80s-American-prejudices and vaguely pedophile tones (not so much The Belgariad, but the Elenium and Malloreon have... worrying stuff). They subvert Tolkien's work and changed the game in fantasy literature - but then repeat themselves in a drab and dreary way, robbing their own inventivity. They are weirdly positive and weirdly negative at the same time.
And if the books themselves weren't complex in their over-simplicity and problematic in their strange worldview, there is also the big problem of the audience/fandoms literaly not understanding what the books are about. Like people missing out completely that the Elenium is supposed to be "dark fantasy", not "high/heroic fantasy" like the Belgariad ; and there's also something to be said about a very interesting double-standard people have when it comes to the use of "races" in these works - but that will be for another time.
For some, the Eddings series were a "gateway fantasy" to have a short and simple introduction to archetypes, plot beats and the general ambiance of "typical" fantasy. For others, they are a "comfort read" to enjoy something while shutting your brain off. And I agree that this is what these series ultimately are: they were never meant to be high or great literature, and they are very simple and dated, and I personally used them as "waiting reads". Because these are books I can easily get in or out of when waiting for my computer to start, for my train to arrive, for my class to begin. It's a "snack-read". I did feel involved in The Belgariad because everybody agrees that it is the best of all the four series - when the Eddings really struck something good. But by the Elenium and the Malloreon, I literaly was not as invested and I just read it because. To see the characters, and the ideas, and the concepts. Because no matter how poor these series can become, they are always a BIG source of inspiration for fantasy material.
Even The Dreamers, which is pure shit, had one of the most interesting concepts of a fantasy "big villain" thrown to us in the first pages, and this is why I even stepped so far into the book, before giving up by realizing the rest was just... garbage.
Nyissa
I don’t often make posts, but this has been really bothering me and I see no one talking about it in the Belgariad fandom? I’ve been rereading the Belgariad series. It’s a guilty pleasure, mostly cause I love Silk. But god I have issues with this series. I just got through the 2nd book, aka Queen of Sorcery. Which means the introduction of the Nyissans as like… a secondary antagonistic force. People have talked about the Angaraks being asian coded, which in light of their role in the story feels honestly disgusting. But like… the Nyissans are so queer coded? They are wearing rainbows everywhere, it’s hard to distinguish men from women, they wear make-up, etc etc. They are feminised or sexualised or both.(I love Sadi with all my heart, but there was no reason to give him the title of “the man who is no man” in the prophecy, Like absolutely zero. Most characters are not named after physical traits in the prophecy)
Also it feels like they’re vilified every time they’re mentioned. Being too sexy isn’t a crime, but they are extremely sexualised and most of the protagonists are against that. Add to that that they do drugs and lots of them, their city is a murder hell hole, and that they trade slaves and you get a pretty clear picture of the matter that Eddings absolutely does not want you to like Nyissans. (I don’t think there was any particular reason to add slavery to this world. It barely has any consequences for the plot and only really serves as yet another reason to make the Nyissans the bad guys) Silk has a roulette wheel for a moral compass and even he doesn’t have good things to say about Nyissans. When the people who we’re supposed to root for are having a casual conversation about basically committing genocide because the Nyissans are bad people, it just feels like a bad comic.
I personally don’t like Salmarissa. Just don’t vibe with her. She’s a good obstacle and antagonist, which I like, but I don’t like her personally. However, I still think they did her dirty. Just like they did the Nyissans dirty. Cause she is the sole ruler of Nyissa. She is the only female ruler in this world. There are other queens, but they either have little to no power or only rule behind the curtains. You get some who come close, but never are they the sole ruler of a queendom without having to add any asterisks. Salmarissa is a queen, but her people are never portrayed as good.
Even Sadi is never completely portrayed as good. Sure he’s on the protagonists’ side, he’s part of the prophecy and he’s useful. But he’s never given the true “redeeming” moment to show us maybe there’s more to Nyissans. He’s never really given the chance to bond with anyone on a deep level, and at the end of it all he goes back to Salmarissa even though she tried to have him killed.
I like making lots of headcanons for this series, to fix things that bother me. Usually these headcanons are about the cultures and the people, to show that they’re not all good and not all bad. I have A LOT of headcanons about Nyissa and its people. Because I care them, even though they are made the villain at every step.
wow I had so much more to say than I thought
I notice quite a bit of queer coding too, but I also agree with the previous reblogs that the main inspiration seems to be ancient Egypt. I'm not entirely sure, but I think Eddings mentioned in The Rivan Codex that he based Salmissra on Cleopatra (and I'm fairly sure it's the stereotypes about her he meant and not the actual historical person).
I don't think these statements are mutually exclusive at all. In older media villains were often both queer coded AND foreign in one way or another. I think we're seeing the rather mindless rehashing of tropes that would have been common in the mid 20th century media that formed the author.
Again, I have a vague memory of reading this in the Rivan Codex but can't find the page right now, but Eddings might have actively relied on these tropes to give a sense of familiarity and pull the reader into the story. Now that the tropes are getting outdated, the effect is the opposite.
At first glance it might seem odd that eunuchs are needed in the court of Nyissa, but I believe the main function is to ensure loyalty (well, not among each other) and hinder anyone from even thinking of trying to start a dynasty. Not even Salmissra is allowed to do that.
Fun fact, Sadi keeping a little snake in a jar seems to be a humorous reference to how some eunuchs preserved their genitals in an urn so that they could later be buried with all of their body parts.
I sort of feel like it would have made a lot more sense if Bethra had not been conveniently killed off, but joined the team in the Malloreon. While she's a very dear friend of Silk and all that I'm often thinking about how amazingly she could have hit it off with Sadi and what an interesting dynamic that could have been. I'm not talking about pairing them off in a usual way. More like... think power couple mixed with opposites attract but not really in a sexual way because Sadi is what he is and Bethra is not associating that to emotional closeness anyway.
Like, ok Liselle could exist too I guess to give Silk his happily ever after (even though she's too young and the whole thing is frankly a bit weird) but it should definitely have been Bethra who bonded with Zith and all that.
Listen to me, listen.
Merel deserved better. She deserved people acknowledging her pain, and not writing her off as "shallow" for...not wanting to marry someone, even one of the nominal good guys. She deserved autonomy. She deserved the narrative to at least acknowledge her point.
But she doesn't get any of that. And then she has a son and suddenly it's all better? Nah man, David and Leigh Eddings fucked up there, what the hell.
In that entire universe people are generally pretty emotionally messed up and barely anyone gets acknowledgement or comfort except when it suddenly suits the narrative. Like, Ce'Nedra just barely survives a murder attempt while pregnant and Polgara tells her she makes her nauseous when she tells her to save the baby should the situation ever arise.
Polgara is probably worst of all and also an extreme hypocrite about it. No one else is allowed to have emotional reactions without being called a drama queen but she is allowed to tear down her entire Rivan apartment in a tantrum.
I don't mind characters acting like this intentionally but it's so obvious in the writing that it's unintended and unreflected. And yet I still feel this need to reach back in and reflect on things rather than turn away from that world, because somehow there is a promise there that is not quite delivered as it is.
Me, drawing Sadi and Silk from the Belgariad/Malloreon series interacting because they don’t get enough interaction in canon? It’s more likely than you think.
Anyway, where’s my post-Malloreon fanfic where these two decide to stick together for a while and just cause chaos everywhere they go? Or do I have to write that myself as well?