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GSGW SPOILERS UP TO PART 2
I made an animatic for GSGW Part 2! :)
I know there's a popular headcanon that Grace's crew died because of feeding tubes malfunction (based on the paperwork Grace was doing right before the explosion), but — in the book he specifically says that even after the accident he kept dealing with that same paperwork on minor Hail Mary issues, so I doubt that feeding tube problem was left unaddressed. May I offer instead:
Grace was put into coma by the people who cared about him. They (especially Yáo being Yáo) probably double-triple-quadruple checked everything. They watched him sleep for those first few days — I doubt they went into coma immediately after leaving Earth's orbit. They probably talked to him, assuring him that he'll be okay.
Ilyukhina's coma procedure was probably supervised by Yáo. He made sure that everything was in order, but — he is just one man and he is not a doctor. There was much more room for mistakes.
When Yáo went to sleep, he was alone. He had to rely on the technology completely.
We know that he died first.
I just finished ghg and. Wow. That's all I can form in my head rn. Wow. I did not expect any of that. I love you bai liu 🫶🏻
Welcome to my list of deranged and unhinged men who like to smirk, scam and suffer
10/10 plot
10/10 characters
1000/10 romance
100000/10 FOUND FAMILY
Y'ALL I LOVE THIS NOVEL SO MUCH ITS SO UNDERRATED IM SO GLAD MY FRIEND FORCED ME TO READ ITT
I'll do a detailed post regarding my thoughts alter for now I just want to scream about it RAHHHHHHHH
I thought I'd seen protagonists obsessed with money before...but then I met Bai liu 🎀
Also omg?? The romance?? Hello? Yearning from BOTH SIDES THAT TOO ANGSTY? I don't want to spoil anything but God I can't stop thinking about bai liu and his lizard wkdjdjsihsdjhd every single scene of them rotates in my head constantly they're on my mind 24/7
I was warned about the angst BUT I COULDVE NEVER PREPARED MYSELF FOR WGAT WAS COMING
Still the author promised a happy ending so I made it through and it was soo worth it
Now, Excuse me while I think of scenarios where this money obsessed freak meets other money obsessed freaks :)
Sacrifice for human kind
massive part 2 spoilers + something i'm so confused on
you know. i just thought of something. if the DER wiki that kim soleum read didn't include himself as an active participant/character, how does Sekwang City's disaster exist?
Because we know that Sekwang disaster is canon to the version kse read. that's how he was able to copy it 4 director ho. but sekwang also started BECAUSE of kse. so if kse wasn't in the og wiki, who was canonically in his place/through what other method was it started?
something something kse was never from the "real world" & was always a meta character canon to the DER kinda like ireum nim (he's surprisingly mysterious for an mc)
unless the DER wiki details a timeline where kse is/has always been a character (and it's just unincluded information as the stations/everything else were) but was never a good friend?
Spoilers up till the end of Part 2
My guess is that the original Kim Soleum IS part of the wiki. Meanwhile The Good Friend Soleum is not.
The Good Friend cannot be part of the wiki because he clearly changed events from the wiki. He made Team D an elite team, seemingly changed Baek Saheons storyline, nearly got Lizard killed, and saved Choi from his wiki death.
Meanwhile OG Soleum HAS to be part of the wiki. Sekwang only happened because of Cheerfuls experiment which summoned Soleum. And Sekwang is clearly a major event in the wiki.
Hey guys check out this quiz i did its great i promise
@what-is-going-on-im-confused @blacklicoriceisgood @potted-plant-official @guardian-of-thespirit @frooglet @its-oliver-bitches @stargazin-on-mars @purple-dinosaur27 @chaoticharmony15 @m1niethasilly @duality-the-chaos-god @dizzycloudzzz @snowheartart @meetmeataliminalspace+ open tagsss
*sigh, just as I excepted
Ummmh, w abt u? @reescookies +open tags :D
@canisdir WE’RE TWINIG!!!
Also holy Kim dokja result but that was a fun quiz thanks for the tag!!!
Alr who should I taggg
@ebonyfable @complexityissimple @hadalplumes
@follypop @heademptyjustptysie @maganbee
HOLLY WTH TUMBLR TELL ME WHEN PEOPLE TAG ME ON TIME 😭
I'm gonna pretend I'm not a month late...I was getting milk trust :3
I wasn't expecting this but also I wasn't not expecting it,, I just never really thought about it?? Well I do think people around me think I'm very nice and wouldn't hurt a fly so I think it's pretty accurate!!
Gonna tag my fav person :3
@patogi
OSGDGDGDHDHD THIS IS SO FUNNY I HAVE THIS ONE IN MY DRAFTS FOR MONTHS NOW CAUSE I JUST DIDN’T KNOW WHOM TO TAG APART FROM YOU AND MY TAGGING MOOTIE 😭😭😭
i have a proof look:
i got the lamb 😭 and i was sooo certain you’d be the fox, this quiz is broken
It's like when you go to Antarctica and have to get your appendix removed
I remember someone in ORV describing dokja as "a piece of dough with holes in it" or something along those lines. god I need to reread ORV.
anyway, here is dough-ja.
girl it’s just a 3 day trip, you do not need to bring your terracotta warriors 🙄
*packing my suitcase for a 3 day trip* hm, but what if I need my terracotta warriors..
YOU don’t have to be perfect to be loved. but I do
dw saheon one day everyone will know the truth...
I ship Billford, Radiostatic & Braunsol, all have in common as being a "DIVORCED TOXIC YAOI".
The most ironic thing here is: Among those three, Braunsol has the healthiest relationship, despite one of them being a "mind parasite", who can READ ONE'S MIND (even their most inner thoughts) & SEE WHAT ONE'S DOING 24/7, still residing with the other's mind, and them making an unbreakable pact that binds them FOREVER. ("Never ever getting rid of me").
You know why?
Because they (at least, one of them) believe in the power of counselling/therapy!!
If theraprism works in a conventional human way & Bill actually got everything out of his system and becomes a new, reformed being, maybeee? But I'm not sure whether Stanford (or Pines family) would still be alive at that point😢
Still, would love to see them reuniting after full (couples) therapy sessions, their toxic yaoi relationship would be slightly functional LOL
OMG SAME, I love post-theraprism BILLFORD fics & scenarios TOOO
CHARILE needs a licensed & legitimate therapist/counselor/psychiatrist in the HOTEL, however I doubt there would be one in Hell (or maybe there CAN BE, like Hannibal Lector)
Help, help, not you invoking Hannibal Lecter’s name on tumblr dot com hahaha that feels like summoning a long forgotten demon back to its homeland T-T
(That is to say, he would get along spectacularly well with Alastor and Rosie in cannibal town hahah…ha…haahh)
I have seen so many fanarts of Bill and Caine interacting in the past few days that thinking about the Bill-Alastor-Braun trio in the same room might actually be the thing which finally completely fries my neural connections…
What in the crossover even is this and why does is make sense?
Hannibal Lecter (& murder husbands) goes WAYYY back to the memory lane, I still have nostalgia for them since they were my 1st toxic old men yaoi!
OH ABSOLUTELY, he would definitely get along with Rosie & Alastor, all of them have a great sense of decorum & high appreciation of human meat!
Ah, the Bill-Alastor-Caine pipeline. I'm familiar with them. All of them need to be stuck in a perpetual group therapy session, which, technically, they are. (One in an interdimensional psychiatric ward, another in a HOTEL for redemption for their sins, the other in the virtual, digital world capable of implementing any facilities) Among them, I have a soft spot for Caine. Poor guy.
IMAOOOO Couples therapy session with all three of them in one room? It would be torture for Kim Soleum, his stomach wouldn't stand. He needs to care for his cosmic horror friend and other horror couples as well. He cannot take a break from the horrors. I have NO DOUBTS THAT Ho Yuwon being their perfect (non-human) counselor since he has a specialized power (by using his plague).
THEY ALL NEED THERAPY.
I used to think I had buried all memory regarding murder husbands deep in my subconsciousness, but after Spotify (on a random Tuesday, mind you) decided to shuffle a few ‘Hannibal: the fan musical’ songs from years ago into my daily mix, I swear I was able to physically feel the hyperfixation demon creeping from the depths of hell, trying to drag me back there T-T
BWAHAHA you are so right, technically, technically, they all’ve got just the perfect environment to get help and be better. They are even surrounded by people who would be willing to help them get better. Bill’s and Caine’s fates are probably already set in stone, but I am excited about Vivzie’s plans for Alastor. Don’t think he’ll be taking a turn for the better anytime soon, though, hah.
(Vox on the other hand? Now, that is more likely. He had already had his fun, now’s the time to work on those issues, buddy)
As I see it, on one side of this room we have the humans dragged into this mess against their will - Kim Soleum and Stanford Pines -, and on the other there are their demonic boyfriends, Braun and Bill, idly chatting.
Who is the human and who the demonic boyfriend in the Radiostatic dynamic is left for a discussion - while Vox feels more like the naïve one of the two, he’d fit right next to Braun with his overall aesthetic; at the same time, though, Alastor and Bill would be tea buddies for sure.
Perhaps it is a similar case to how gay couples usually don’t adapt a typical man/woman dynamic in their (our lmao) relationships, despite what non-lgbt folks usually assume, in the same vein, not all toxic yaoi couples need to adapt the demonic boyfriend/human one. (‘That was sooo toxic-yaoi-phobic of you, patogi, how dare you even assume that?’ Hahhaa, noooO i swear I have read enough toxic yaois with just humans, just humans is usually more than enough hahaha…But I do love me a demonic boyfriend sprinkled in there somewhere too asdfhjkk)
Gotta love, though, how both Vox and Alastor fall more into the ‘demonic boyfriend’ category than into the ‘human’ one despite both of them being humans. No one does it like them 🫶
Maybe Ho Yuwon could focus on a group therapy consisting of KSE, Ford and Vox, while Hannibal chats with the rest, BEFORE they move to the real ‘couple’s therapy’ deal? I just think they could all benefit from sharing their experiences, it might stop them from repeating each other’s errors. (PLEASE SOLEUM LISTEN TO FORD AND HEED SOME OF HIS WARNINGS DON’T LET A NON-HUMAN ENTITY TOY WITH YOUR HEART EASILY 🥹) (although, between the two of them, it’s definitely Braun who is more swept off his feet by Sol’s charm T-T)
AHHHHHH YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH TIME I SPENT SAVOURING YOUR WORDS🫶🫶🫶 The discourse & analysis about how the couples therapy for each couple: radiostatic, billford & braunsol, would go? JUST PERFECT. PURE PERFECTION.
LOOOL honestly, most of my "toxic yaoi" coded relationships stem from hannigram/murder husbands. I was shipping more wholesome ships before, but after my best friend in high school introduced them to me, everything changed. It reshaped my brain. It altered my brain chemistry irreversibly. So, you are not alone in being dragged to the pit of hell. I will join you there as well LOL!
MY HOT TAKE: Murdermedia is one variant of murder husbands. (I know some may say it's very reductive, but AS A FAN WHO LOVES BOTH SHIPS, IT IS. I FEEL VERY NOSTALGIC. I'm back home.)
Also, is there a "Hannibal: the Fan musical"? WHATTTTT Why didn't I hear that??!! Is it on YouTube or any music platforms/apps?
Agreed about Alastor's narrative! Alastor still has (& needs) his own share of character growth & development. Judging by Vivzie's & Amir's interview, Season 3 is gonna focus more on Alastor's story in-depth & dealing with his inner conflicts. (Since Amir said the story's gonna take a darker turn & Alastor's having a full solo song, so MAYBE THAT'S IT!)
YES! Vox, his character arc was fully, like, FULLY explained in season 2 (USING THE ENTIRE SEASON, ALMOST), and HE ALREADY HAD HIS FAIR SHARE OF THE SPOTLIGHT (I personally think he had a gratuitous one compared to his character position, thanks to Christian Borle and his outstanding acting.) The only arc left for Vox is probably repairing his physical body & finding a way to deal with his emotional baggages (regarding ALASTOR OBSESSION & relationship with the VEES). So, a physical & mental healing journey, but more in a retired & nuanced form.
Kim Soleum & (Stan)ford Pines would definitely bond instantly. They have SO MUCH in common. Nerds for supernatural beings/creepypastas, archived them in a written form, entangled with interdimensional cosmic eldritch horrors who claimed themselves as friends & got inside their minds by making a deal. The only difference is that Ford got Bill out of his mind by installing a physical barrier in his brain, but Soleum has Braun in his mind, and up till now, he's still present. I can see them talking about their adventures and how much their demonic spouses messed up their lives.
Braun & Bill, being the interdimensional demons, they will talk so naturally. I am one of the upholders of "Braun being Nyarlathotep" theory and Nyarlathotep aligns with the chaos itself (basically, an embodiment of Chaos), and BILL is pure chaos. No wonder they will fit well.
I absolutely agree with & LOVE your take about radiostatic!! Radiostatic has a slightly different dynamic; they are BOTH humans in a demon suit & powers, and they need not follow or stick to the role of human & demonic counterpart, respectively!
But if putting them in that category, I also think that Vox is more of a human and Alastor is more of a demon (Lovecraftian-based powers, hedonic killer seems to align more with a chaos-loving demon personality), both power-wise & personality-wise.
YESSSS Ho Yuwon would do a stage-by-stage couples therapy session for our couples, first starting with the group therapy session, grouping people/beings of similar experiences, and then the couples one! (SOLEUM, PLEASE PLEASE LISTEN TO FORD HE IS A SURVIVER & HE ALREADY DEALT WITH THE WHOLE THING)
I’ll be repeating myself when I say this BUT IT NEEDS TO BE SAID:
1) I genuinely love the way your mind spins and the words you choose to express yourself! <- This might be the highest level of praise I am capable of giving; writing, in general, means a whole lot to me!!
2) I love how all you need is a single off-hand mention of a certain topic to seize it and expand it into a fully-fleshed idea. I find it so cool!! Baffling too!! Phenomenal!! 3) Last, but certainly not least, I love the little illustration hahaha, i am glad my theories were able to make you feel saturated :3
Now, with these (important) matters out of the way, let’s get down to business:
Yes!!! My dear friend!!! Allow me to formally introduce you to the (very unofficial yet very well executed) “Hannibal: the fan musical”! My musical-loving-era and murder-husbands-era had a very short overlap and it PEAKED right here:
Hannibal The Musical
I’d recommend checking this playlist first since it contains all the well-known songs accompanied by wonderfully drawn animatics!! Urgh, just seeing some of those thumbnails…You don’t even know how many times…How much…
I fear I might revert right back if I keep looking at the art any longer, it’s like a direct shortcut to hell! Funny how human brains and associations work!
Anyway, I hope you’ll like them! My favourites are “This is my design”, “Murder family values”, “Colour palette” and “Mouse trap”!
🎶Arrange the pictures side by side,
variety of skin tones, an artist’s eye
Collecting enough bodies for balance
What he’s creating is a colour palette~🎶
Yep, thought so. Still know it by heart T-T
Those few I mentioned are definitely the most catchy and rhythmic ones (out of those I still remember). I can guarantee it, soon enough they will be playing in your head NONSTOP.
Once you are through these - and your hyperfixation returns in full force, since you will be pretty much reviewing the entire story one plot point after another, albeit told via lyrics - feel free to add your favourites into Spotify playlists and blast them all day along!
Right here!
Obviously, these are just my recommendations! Feel free to mess around and find out on your own, there is a lot of fun in that too!
Beware though, ‘cause when I browsed that playlist to share it with you, it looked like this to me:
I…I have seen all of it far too many times…I can’t help but adore it when a fandom decides to join hands and create something amazing!!
Regarding the similarities between Murdermedia and murder husbands:
1. both (serial) killers? check ✅
2. cannibals? check ✅
3. deer symbolism present in the overall story? check ✅
4. one’s job tied to redeeming/helping other humans? check ✅
5. obsessed with one another? check ✅
6. asked to form family/partnership, one refuses in a way that makes the other go feral? CHECK ✅
Aaaand that is just off the top of my head! I believe that, were we to properly analyse both source materials, there would be many, many more such similarities!
In conclusion - yess, they are the same dynamic in a different coat! Well spotted!!
So, maybe, what might have STARTED as a simple therapy sitting...
Just imagine.
Hannibal, listening to Vox’s and Alastor’s troubles, growing more irritated by the second. No one likes gazing into someone else’s eyes and seeing their own reflection.
ESPECIALLY NOT. DURING A THERAPY SESSION. THEY. ARE. GIVING.
And Alastor, after receiving yet another oddly specific recommendation, crosses his legs and sips his tea, with a meaningful gleam in his eyes, taunting Hannibal along the lines of: “My, my, doctor, seems to me like you also have a story worth sharing with the class.”
Which, in return, might be quite beneficial for Alastor himself - what with his whole “staying in a position of power” schtick, he might be able to learn more by offering help and insight than by being forced on the receiving end.
Maybe that’s another thing he and Hannibal have in common.
So, as I was saying, what might have started as a simple therapy sitting, could as well END as a both-way gossip session over tea over Hannibal’s delicious cooking.
Seems to me that - thus far - our seating idea looks like this: Hannibal -> Alastor -> Bill -> Braun
I visualised it :Dd
I think the vaguest connections are between Hannibal&Braun and Hannibal&Bill - which is fine, I suppose. After all, he is just a human therapist frequenting that table for work-related reasons; not really a demonic boyfriend per se. If you think of any, though, please, let me know!!
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Haaah, I LIVE for your connections between Ford and Soleumie! Laying it plainly like this in front of us, everyone must agree that they would hit it off immediately. (Why are they so similar? T-T Do I really keep looking for the same archetype? It can’t be a coincidence,, )
Compared to our level-headed Ford who, sure, made some mistakes in his youth and consequently got burned, but eventually managed to draw a clear line between himself and the demonic entity terrorising him, Soleum appears so much more unhinged!!!
The contaminations. Keeping Braun around despite everything he’s done. Cults. Cutting off limbs. Playing a serial killer.
IF HE WEREN’T SO PURE-HEARTED AND GOOD AND KIND I WOULD HAVE SENT HIM TO THE DEMONIC BOYFRIEND TABLE IMMEDIATELY.
(If we were discussing Sahsol, I might have sent him there even despite his good nature haha solely because of all the shenanigans he pulled on poor Saheonie)
Every conversation between him and Braun is pretty much just them arguing how much manipulate, mansplain and manslaughter they are allowed with each other T-T T-T
And I think that is what Billford lacks.
They tried to pretend their relationship was healthy and fully functioning friendship (and more haha) when it was clearly NOT.
Braunsol is built on a completely different premise. They know that whatever it is they have going on is not good for either of them. They almost expect the toxicity from one another and are disappointed when they don’t get any. (After all, that would not be entertaining 😒😒 hahaha )
This approach did not save them from the divorce but it helped them stay in touch after that.
Mutually agreed toxic ship for the win! Clearly, all that was needed to make toxic yaoi last longer had been consent all along!
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I don’t think I have read your ‘Braun is Nyarlathotep’ theories yet??? How??? I am gonna go look for them now!!!
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Regarding your Hazbin Hotel predictions:
YESS!!
Hard agree with everything you said; the signs are all there! Unfortunately, it doesn’t mean much coming from me since season two handed several heavy blows to all my previously thought-out theories, haha!! Especially the earliest episodes surprised me quite a bit.
Overall, it seems I found it difficult to properly estimate how much time Viv wishes to spend on each arc and across how many episodes she wishes to stretch it. To provide some examples: I had previously believed that Alastor’s contract would be made into much big of a deal (haha, pun fully intended!!) during later seasons and that Charlie would be able to learn from her mistakes and make plot-impacting decisions much earlier on.
-> That might be why I was feeling a bit disappointed after I first started watching season two. Once I reorganised my thoughts, it got a lot better, but the treatment of Charlie’s character still irks me a bit, haha ‘:Dd
Anyway, Vox DEFINITELY got quite the generous amount of attention despite being a “mere” supporting villain. With the Vees joining in during the final song and pushing him to rethink his decisions and reflect on his actions, I am quite curious what lies at the end of the journey for him.
It will sure as hell (hehe) be interesting to see more of Valentino and the relationship Vox shares with him in season three, since it appears that the spotlight is slowly shifting towards Angel!
And Alastor…well. He will have a plan and he will bite off more than he can chew, that’s for sure. I believe he will achieve his goal, though, whatever it may be. At least partially. (More likely than Vox, at the very least, haha!!)
Honestly, though, I don’t have any problems with entrusting Alastor’s fate to Vivzie; since it’s one of her oldest characters and his popularity among the fans is indisputable, I think his arc will be handled with care and come to a satisfying end when the time’s right!
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I would have loved to put more thoughts into the interactions at the human boyfriend table too but the length of this reply has already got WAAAAY too out of hand so I will leave it to you (if you want, ofc, absolutely no pressure!!!)
I CANNOT OVERSTATE THIS BUT, for the past 2-3 days, I was reading your post over and over again with absolute zeal & glee.
I'm just so exhilarated right now because:
1) I have a dear mootie who resonates with my mind & hyperfixations
2) WE are literally creating a paper about this subject right now; this entire queue of reblogs is our brainchild.
(NO, I AM NOT JOKING. As a person who has published a paper before, this is just like that. But the difference is that discussing & analyzing with you IS MUCH MORE FUN. I think I'm reiterating this too, but you have NO IDEA how much fun I am having right now!)
This whole chain of reblogs wouldn't have been fleshed out like this if it were not for you, PATOGI!
I'm glad that you enjoyed the illustration, but I didn't draw that & it's one of the meme reaction images. Still, I'm glad you enjoyed it, though! I wish I could draw as well, but my drawing skills are practically nonexistent😭 But your illustration of Braun, Bill, Alastor & Hannibal comparison just looks SO BEAUTIFUL.
(*SHOUTS IN THE AIR*) 📢I HAVE AN EXTREMELY TALENTED MOOTIE!!!📢TALENTED IN WRITING & DRAWING BOTH!!!👏👏👏
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Oh my gosh. Same goes for my theater kid & murder husband-loving ass!!! I know that I'll fully enjoy the whole musical. Thanks for giving the whole link on YouTube & Spotify!! I'm on my way to like & bookmark them instantly!
Okay, so “This is my design”, “Murder family values”, “Colour palette”, and “Mouse trap”, these scores are my number one priorities to listen to and see them in animatics. How did you know I love rhymic, upbeat & catchy songs?? (I mean, my favorite score from Hazbin Hotel season 2 is "Vox Populi (Vox's part)", that kinda tells. I always say to myself that I'm susceptible to that kind of propaganda LOL) I know I WILL LISTEN TO THOSE SONGS ENDLESSLY, ON LOOP. Totally get your animatic playlist because mine (with my other hyperfixated musical animatics) looks exactly like that LOOOL My 2026 song wrap-ups would be cooked for sure.
Ah, the 2016-2018 musical animatic era. That was when I was introduced to a plethora of musical content. Still feeling a bit reminiscent of that era. So many relics.
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Also, analyzing similarities between murder husbands (Hannigram) & murdermedia (Voxal)? STELLAR. I recently saw a Twitter comment (wish I could link the OG source, but I couldn't find it :( ) but basically:
it was that murder husbands & murdermedia are two peas from the same pod, but the difference is that murdermedia have less (or no) decorum to each other & are much more unbridled. And it's why Murdermedia's relationship is more entertaining to explore.
Two people having jobs that require a high level of decorum & formalities, undergoing a strict censoring in their words or conduct, and are constantly on watch or heard by many, are both serial killers, and their whole killing spree goes wild. Animalistic. Unhinged.
The discrepancy between two facets of themselves just makes things more delicious. Also, the fact that those two, who are violent in nature, are attracted to & click with each other (necessarily need not be in a romantic way & I personally headcanon them in a queer platonic relationship! But this is my headcanon, so the characterizations/dynamics can differ & I am open to them!) Their fight resembles more of a territorial fight between two animals with a childish touch.
Honestly, I always watch them fight or bicker like this🤣.
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Also, your BEAUTIFUL, TASTY scenario where Alastor realizes that Dr. Lecter needs a mirror treatment? GODDD I COULD ENVISION THEM SITTING ON THE COUCH, ALASTOR, WITH THAT MALICIOUS SMILE (the smile with the look of "I have the higher ground", or, to be exact, "I FIND SOMETHING THAT COULD BLACKMAIL YOU") CRYSTAL CLEAR.
If there were to be some process to be made from Alastor's therapy session, it would start in some sort of reciprocal, deal-like manner in the beginning. As a headstrong person from the 1930s, who still has a strong aversion to modern technology (but like more than half of this aversion is from a badly-terminated relationship with Vox, honestly), I don't think he's gonna be easily open to the idea that "therapy can improve a person's life".
But if Alastor thinks of the entire therapy session as some "quid pro quo" deal, for which I cannot think of the exact specifications, he would probably open up gradually.
LOVE THAT you think of Hannibal & Alastor's session as a tea party. They would share human meat recipes they enjoy and both show respect to a well-mannered person (even if they are wild on the inside), so I don't see any difficulty of two bonding!
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EXCUSE ME??!! THE VISUALIZATION?? THE ART?? YOU ACCURATELY ENCAPSULATED EACH CHARACTER'S VIBES.
LOOK HOW FLUFFY-LOOKING BRAUN'S BODY IS & HOW BEADY-LOOKING BRAUN'S EYES ARE. HE IS ALIVE & POSSESSED INSIDE THAT VERY DOLL AS A GOOD FRIEND.
CAT-LASTOR? YOU CAN JUST SEE HIM RADIATING PERFECT CHAOTIC BEAUTY.
BILL CIPHER WITH HIS HAT OFF? THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THAT LIVING CHAOS WOULD DO.
You spoil me with scrumptious, full-course 5-star meals. This is why I can't eat junk foods anymore.
But seriously, I LOVE how you positioned each character on the round table. By making a connection with qualities such as media, Bow-ties ("Bow-ties are cool", LOVE LOVE LOVE THAT YOU FIND THIS LOVELY DETAIL OUT!!), and how chaotic they are!
The format of how they are seated inspired me to draw a spectrum of how chaotic those four are!!
This is my visualization of "how chaotic each character is", or as I call it CHAOS LEVEL SPECTRUM.
As you mentioned, among those four, Hannibal is the most human-level chaotic, due to his limits as a human. Even though he is a psychopath and thinks or acts outside of what most people do, everything he does is still considered & comprehensible within the capacity of a human being, which is more predictable, relative to the other three.
(Physically & Mentally HUMAN)
Alastor is more bent to human-level chaos, despite having all Lovecraftian features & demon powers, because his nature lies in humans. He was born as a human who became a demon in his afterlife. Because of his inherent difference, even if he acts like those horrors, he cannot truly become one or bring out the chaos to that level.
(Physically non-human, Mentally HUMAN)
Braun is an interesting case among them, because he is clearly a cosmic horror, but he actively acts like a human, willingly adheres to human mannerisms, and is very amicable to human beings (as long as they don't ruin the show). However, he is inherently cosmic horror, even if he has a genuine affection towards humanity & wants to understand them. There is a massive chasm of species-level difference. Braun cannot fundamentally understand human beings; he might try his best, but it just cannot happen. The gap cannot be filled. He is a cosmic horror for a reason.
(Physically non-human (but wears a human suit, purposefully), mentally non-human)
Bill, he's just a big ball of CHAOS. He himself acts as a cosmic horror & his physique is JUST REEKS cosmic horror. Everything he does is out of chaos. There is no rhyme or reason he's doing it. (Or at least, it's not something comprehensible for humans.) He himself claims that he's the agent of CHAOS.
(Physically & mentally non-human)
All this chaos-level analysis made me think: where would Caine🦷🎪 be on this chaos spectrum? I personally think it would be between Alastor & Braun, but I cannot think exactly why it is. Would like to know your opinion about it, if you want to share, OF COURSE!
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LOOOL Honestly, it is natural to be inclined to the characters of a similar archetype. It's just our instinct to be attracted to the formula we are familiar with & we love!
It's basically this LOOOOL
With SO MANY SIMILARITIES BETWEEN FORD & SOLEUM, also, I think the reason why Soleum has a healthier relationship than Ford is that Soleum is less hubristic.
Ford's hubris of becoming noticed to the world by his scientific breakthrough, & him thinking of himself as the smartest person in the world, made him blind to his actions & attitude toward other people. Ford learned that on the verge of the apocalypse (Weirdmageddon), by their loving, beautifully dysfunctional family.
Ford directly writes this in the "Journal 3" book, after Weirdmageddon is over & Bill is defeated. He introspects that it was his hubris that made him keep all his mistakes, shameful secrets (that he was manipulated by Bill & made a bad decision) to himself & he thought he could solve this issue by himself without ANYONE'S HELP. (Reminds me of some OVERSELFLESS guy here...) But he finally realizes that his family, no matter what mistakes he made, would accept him for who he is, he needs their help to solve the problem better, and self-isolation made him much more vulnerable to Bill's trickery.
LOOOL Sahsol is a totally different dynamic for sure! Braunsol focuses on cultivating friendship by understanding others' boundaries & distinct features. But Sahsol focuses on the journey of character development/growth. And this goes for both of them. From violent acts to each other, such as bullying & extreme-selfishness, to selflessness & understanding the other.
But Soleum's definitely going to that table full of Chaos, if this is Sahsol we're talking about!! LOL
TRUE, TRUE!! Bill & Stanford were in a relationship, saying that "everything is going okay! ONLY to themselves. They never had a real talk about their relationship, and everything good between them was mostly superficial. Bill didn't understand, nor did he want to deal with that "mushy" emotional stuff out of the bag (even if he has a big childhood trauma, hinted here and there on "The Book of Bill"). Ford, a man of science, who valued logic & reason, would presumably NOT want to put emotions in their relationship and treated him as a colleague or lab-buddy at best.
Braun & Soleum's relationship worked, or is still in the fine-tuning process to be exact, because they talked about their emotions without backing out. They still need and will constantly talk it out (like any friendship does), detoxing their toxicity in their relationship.
As all relationships should be, mutual consent again saves the day! That also goes for toxic yaoi ships TOO IMAO!
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As for the "Braun = Nyarlahthotep theory", I linked a few posts that explained this theory in detail SO WELL!
GSGW TWT THEORIES
GSGW THEORY 1
GSGW THEORY 2
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As for Hazbin Hotel predictions, I felt THE SAME and I TOTALLY GET WHAT YOU MEAN.
(I actually recorded my season 2 & 3 predictions on my phone & have them rn
SOLID PROOFS:
and I also have GSGW ones too😆)
When season 2 first got released, I was expecting more Charlie-centric episodes since Vox, the main antagonist, had so many similarities with Charlie (both leaders of a certain group, have a moth-themed partner, etc). So, I thought season 2 would present Charlie & Vox as parallels, each having 50/50 of the screentime. (Or probably lesser for Vox, because Charlie is the main character and this is her story.) I really wanted to see her character growth unfold in season 2, especially after she knew that Pentious is redeemed & in heaven.
However, it turns out season 2 focused on Charlie's travails & mistakes. I was initially quite disappointed and irked as well (I was literally shouting, "NO PLEASE DON'T DO THAT" "STOPPP YOU'LL EMBARRASS YOURSELF" in my very first watch). But Hazbin Hotel has like 2-3 seasons left and Vivzie said season 2 is more of a developing stage from the entire plot, so I'm still having hopes for Charlie's narrative.
SO GLAD that I'm not the only one who thought Alastor & Charlie's deal was dealt (PUN INTENDED loool) in an anticlimactic way!!! I thought the deal held more importance to Charlie's story by being a narrative foil. I had expectations that Alastor, that trickster devil, would use his deal with Hell's second most powerful being for his personal gains or to sabotage (whether intentional or not) Charlie's plan.
Yet, it also makes narrative sense that Alastor's whole attention was on getting his own freedom, thus, pursuing his fun, so his number one priority was to get out of his shackles. But still, it sure is a bummer that their deal was used more like a MacGuffin :(
I'm genuinely curious (& slightly apprehensive) of how Vivzie would balance & include all the characters' narratives together on season 3.
From what I heard from Vivzie & Hazbin crews/actors' interviews so far about season 3:
- Season 3's main plot would be about the Morningstar family (Lucifer, Lilith, and Charlie). It is confirmed that Lilith called Charlie at the end of season 2, so this is very plausible.
- Lute (as Vivzie claimed that she was more of a "sleeper agent" on season 2) would play a more antagonistic role on season 3.
- Angel's narrative would be delved more. Possibly, he would cut ties with Valentino & more huskerdust moments are expected.
- Related to the previous info, Valentino is the main villain of season 3. (Vox was in season 2, Valentino in season 3, & Velvette in season 4, said Vivzie)
- Alastor's emotional depth would be described on season 3. Also, there's a fake villain arc, which Alastor is the most likely character to fit Vivzie's description of this arc. Moreover, Amir confirmed that his favorite Alastor's song is on season 3, so I'm expecting some arc from him.
- Vox will have a song with a much darker tone. Christian confirmed this at the interview, and this interview occurred before the season 4 recording. This insinuates season 3 has his song & some plot as well.
I'm wondering how Vivzie and her crew would mesh up each character's stories in season 3, since all the mentioned characters need to share the spotlight!
As for Vox's end of the journey, I don't expect him to be redeemed, but I think Vox's narrative would focus on reuniting & redefining his relationship with the Vees.
Because 1) he doesn't believe that he would be redeemed & he doesn't want to (he's content with his overlord life, pre-s2 pov), 2) his narrative functions as a whole with other Vees. One of Vox's pivotal narratives (aside from his complicated obsession with Alastor) is a found family. Valentino & Velvette are his respected partners (romantic & platonic, respectively) & family. They have known each other, worked with each other for more than a decade.
My personal hope is that Vox would somewhat realize that Val & Vel are individuals he cherishes wholeheartedly, and he finally moves on from his Alastor obsession. I want Vox to admit that he still has some weird, complicated feelings for Alastor and part of him would never let that go, but he still tries to move on & prioritize his time and energy to the Vees, who actually knew & experienced him for a much longer period of time.
He would confront Alastor about this issue, and by that point, I hope both parties have already undergone the character development, or so-called "humbling". So this conversation would not result in a district-level battle. They will still be rivals and fight occasionally, but without toxicity and emotional baggage, and with genuine rivalry, regaining respect for each other. I hope Vox & Alastor would have this enclosure, but maybe I'm expecting TOO MUCH for two narrative-terminated hazbins (PUN INTENDED 2)!
VERY VERY AGREED WITH ALASTOR'S TREATMENT. He's very loved by Vivzie & the fan-favorite, so as you said & I CONCUR, that his arc & narrative would unfold with more care & attention.
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Speaking of the human boyfriend table, which would probably be Kim Soleum, Ford & Vox with Ho Yuwon as their counselor, I was wondering: what if Soleum & Vox had an ex-cult leader showdown? While discussing each other's histories, I think this cult leader subject would be broached.
I mean, half of the group members are ex-cult leaders. Soleum, Bill & Vox. Interestingly, Bill & Vox have in common being a 1950s American cult leader.
If the discussion related to the ex-cult leader got heated & led to the showdown between those two, during the human boyfriend therapy/counseling session, I think Braun & Bill would just run down to their counseling office to see them fight, barging in the door and saying, "Did someone say cult?"
Alastor would idly saunter all the way down to see what kind of fuss was going on and end up enjoying the messy show ("How entertaining!"). Ford, bewildered about this sudden commotion, would try to actively stop with Ho Yuwon, but thing already progressed to an unstoppable state.
But if you have any ideas related to this, or necessarily not related to this at all, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO SHARE YOUR IDEAS & THOUGHTS!!
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I AM FINALLY SITTING DOWN TO PROPERLY REPLY TO THIS BEAUTY OF A POST ‼️‼️
Again, thank you SO, SO MUCH for your patience, it really took me a long time to squeeze writing this in the midst of my tight schedule!! Finals are brutal T-T
I swear -- when I said I was almost done with it a few weeks ago, it was nothing but the honest truth...however, I later decided to go a bit WILD in some aspects, and this happened 👉👈
BUT I AM HERE NOW!! LET'S GET THE PARTY STARTED!!!
This post has already brought me so much unexpected joy -- and each one of your additions only makes it EXPONENTIALLY better...HOW IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE???
YES!! It’s so fun that we are on the same wavelength regarding THIS MANY FANDOMS (even though we have already established that they are all connected by an invisible threat). I always love it when my dash gets flooded by yours (and sylve's!) reblogs^^
OMG!!! I have never published a paper before, so having you compare that experience to what we are cooking up here is genuinely so exciting!!!! AND YES I AM HAVING A BLAST, THAT’S WHY IT PAINED ME TO HAVE TO POSTPONE IT SO!!
HIHI, so happy to hear you enjoyed my silly doodle!! Fear not, my lord, for I will bring thee more in the foreseeable future! In this reply, however, I stuck mostly with written form, so I hope you are ready for WORDS!!
(While we are still on the topic, I pasted your post into Word to have it in front of me as I draft my reply to avoid omitting anything important -- AND THE COUNTER SHOWED ALMOST 3000 WORDS??? I feel so spoiled right now, genuinely THANK YOU for taking the time and effort to write all that, you don’t even realise how much I appreciate it!!!! By this point, I can recite some of your paragraphs by heart, haha, I suppose that's what writing a reply for a month straight does to a person :Ddd)
Without further ado, let's jump straight in!!!
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Regarding musicals...
Haha, how true! 2016-2018 musical animatic era sure was a hell of a thing to experience. I think those Hamilton, Dear Evan Hansen and Heathers animatics singlehandedly formed me into the person I am today! Hopefully, Hannibal won't disappoint you either!
Actually, I can easily imagine Soleum liking this side of the internet (and fandom culture) too!~
In Debut or Die, BDS-nim has already proven they are more than capable of gazing directly into the fans' hearts; hence, the possibility of their own character, KSE, interacting with fan media of his favourite hyperfixation seems quite high to me!
As the meta-est character in the verse, and as a ghost story affiliated with media, Braun is obviously aware of such things as well, but it's not until Soleum saunters into his life that he pays them any mind. (Kim Soleum and a Braun plushie watching DER animatics in Soleum's world in part three when???? I desperately need the fluff after all the angst we endured T-T)
On a different note, now's also the perfect time to stick together as a fandom and help a PHM fan musical come to life as well!!! I would give my LIFE to hear a betrayal song of the scene where Stratt sends Grace into space, or the song where Rocky and Grace meet for the first time. It wouldn't even have to be long or super professional...🥹
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Regarding murder-pairings (murder husband & murdermedia)...
The more I think about these two pairs, the more delicious scenarios I am able to conjure up. Those Braunsol/Billford & Murder-pairings similarities are tickling my brain just right, hahaha!!
In my personal opinion, the true core of these ships gets revealed if we put them into each other's environment.
Imagine what would happen if Hannibal were to meet Will in hell in an environment where they wouldn't have to play by society's rules or be bound by its shackles. Putting a Lord of the Flies-inspired scenario aside (meaning: residing outside society would only lead to their destruction), I instead like to consider that living in a place where Hannibal can satisfy his killing urge without consequences might finally help them form a happy family...Maybe it's the nostalgia speaking, but I truly believe that they could detoxify and undivorce their own toxic divorced yaoi under better circumstances.
That being said, I DON'T actually think Hannibal would flourish in Vivzie's depiction of Hell. It's far too brutal, too animalistic for this guy who enjoys being seen as a spotless and elegant gentleman.
On the other hand, placing murdermedia into human society -- well, it's exactly as you have put it:
Two people having jobs that require a high level of decorum & formalities, undergoing a strict censoring in their words or conduct, and are constantly on watch or heard by many, are both serial killers, and their whole killing spree goes wild.
YES! That's why, as soon as these constraints are lifted, their real lives begin! These two were literally made for Hell! They are thriving!! Not even a change of environment could stop them from being at each other's throats 24/7!!!
Thus, I believe that while circumstances might play a big role in some cases, in the end, what it all comes down to is people themselves (& their motivation). Hannigram wished for a happy ending they could never get, while Voxal's entire dynamic is based on going toe to toe and hurting each other repeatedly. As they are now, there is no universe where their frequencies make them compatible in a completely detoxified way hahaha
The discrepancy between two facets of themselves just makes things more delicious. Also, the fact that those two, who are violent in nature, are attracted to & click with each other (necessarily need not be in a romantic way & I personally headcanon them in a queer platonic relationship! But this is my headcanon, so the characterizations/dynamics can differ & I am open to them!) Their fight resembles more of a territorial fight between two animals with a childish touch.
QPR FOR THE WIN, YES!!! HARD AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAID!!! I especially love how you compared their fighting to territorial animals, that makes SO MUCH SENSE!!
In the same vein, I simply don't think Vox can ever accept Alastor as wholly as Will was able to accept Hannibal. You know what I mean? With Will, I am 100% certain that later in the show, he knew EXACTLY who Hannibal was, what he was capable of and what his personality was like. Vox, on the other hand, seems to be, to some degree, blinded by his obsession and is unable to judge Alastor's actions with a clear head...while for Al, Vox is an open book, as he has already proven on several occasions.
I really hope that Vox's self-reflection will bring him more agency so that they can finally stand side by side as equals, someday. Maybe in the last season, fighting against the biggest bad next to each other? That would be RAD.
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Regarding connections among the different characters...
THAT'S! IT! I AM ORGANISING OUR FINDINGS! RIGHT! THIS! INSTANT! (Initially, I wanted to draw a web diagram from each character to the rest, but that got chaotic pretty quickly, so I'll stick to written form for this part!)
Braun & ⬛⬛
demonic table:
Braun & Bill
Embodiments of chaos. The oldest and most powerful beings in the room. They would enjoy chatting with each other to quite a high degree and purposely seek each other’s company. Once in a while, however, they would encounter a topic they would TERRIBLY disagree on and not speak to each other for several occasions...until one day, months later, when they'd sit right next to each other again and jovially converse like nothing ever happened.
Braun would take quite an interest in the fact that there are no "constraints" binding Bill down, no rules forcing such a terrifying entity to act a certain way (apart from, you know, not having a physical form and making a handful - ha! - of deals in his free time). Is the TV host planning to undo his own shackles in the future? Kim Soleum watches this with worry.
Bill, on the other hand, finds Braun's company refreshing. Neither of them human, they are free to ignore those boring things like morality and enjoy themselves to the fullest. He would also frequently appear as a guest on Braun's shows, and they would spend HOURS discussing the best designers of human-skinned furniture.
They are literally the closest thing to besties they can get! I can vividly see them sitting in a luxurious suite, a bottle of wine on the table, jazz playing in the background, downing one glass after another as they discuss (whine about) their relationship troubles. Sometimes they even seek each other’s advice, but they are rarely happy with the insight the other person has to offer.
Braun & Alastor
Not as close as the Bill & Braun duo, these two nonetheless enjoy each other's aesthetic, sense of style and humour. I actually like to imagine they might share a similar kind of "friendship" to the one Alastor has with Zestial (and possibly other demonic overlords we have not properly met just yet). One of mutual respect, one where Alastor doesn't hesitate to praise Braun for his deeds and expects to hear a nice word or two in return. They contently coexist in each other’s presence, sometimes sharing tips on how to run their shows better. Braun’s show is one of the only Alastor swallows his pride to watch since he finds the Host’s ideas genuinely inspiring.
Braun & Hannibal
Honestly, Braun’s love for entertainment is his sole connection to this whole “couple’s therapy” deal. As long as his position isn’t compromised, as long as it is clearly understood that joining the therapy sessions (carried out by a mere human, no less!) is beneath him and that he is only participating out of a sense of benevolence to humour his colleagues, he doesn’t mind playing along. He might even enjoy it to some extent! And since he is one of the strongest entities around and can pretty much do as he pleases, he amusedly listens to Hannibal’s suggestions and even half-seriously contemplates some of those ideas.
Of course, his off-hand remarks are balancing at the brink of being rude and ignorant, and he sometimes belittles the ideas of that pathetic human. The second Hannibal realises that“he is just like that” and accepts that part of his personality, I think they might be able to share a regular professional relationship.
And who knows, maybe Braun also finds some aspects of this psychiatrist’s personality & story enjoyable.
human boyfriend table:
Braun & Ford
A cordial relationship one shares with the spouse of a friend. They are keenly aware of the fact that the only thing connecting them is a one (1) guy and a handful of birthday celebrations that both of them had attended. Usually, they would simply nod each other’s way as a greeting and then not cross paths until after much later, the same night, when they'd grow so bored with the casual chitchat that they'd just sit together at the same table in silence, contemplating.
Of course, Ford would take much academic interest in Braun at first! He was literally made to fill the page of one of his journal entries! After a while, though, meeting the same entity, no matter how intriguing they are, one would grow accustomed. When the initial thrill fades, that person becomes yet another mundane part of one's life. “Oh, that? That’s Steve from next door. He says hi, by the way. Don’t mind the tentacles.”
For Stanford Pines, after several birthday parties, Braun is simply...Braun. Bill's friend. Kim Soleum's situationship. A ghost story he should be wary of, but not actively avoid.
Simple as that.
Braun & Vox
Now we have the two TV heads talking.
(These are your two favourite guys, in the same room! At the same time!! Don't explode on me!!! :Ddd)
Hear me out, though!
Vox would be SO jealous of Braun. The inferiority complex kicking in FULL FORCE. If there ever were any possibility of these two becoming friends, Vox’s envy would smother that spark right away. It’s obvious, isn’t it? Braun is charming, powerful, and always in control. Everything both Alastor and Vox strive to achieve!
Vox sees that Alastor is enchanted by the host. He respects him and trusts his capabilities to take care of the trouble when things go askew. He sees it & his blood boils, but there is nothing to be done but to sit there and curse through gritted teeth. And watch. Only watch.
After all, in his eyes, he deems himself inferior to Braun in every aspect he cares about. IT IS CONSUMING HIM.
Braun, on the other hand, is entertained by these theatrics. As a host of a famous programme, he spots the signs very early on, sorts out the nuances, and then just leans back in his chair and enjoys the show, right from the front row!! I can totally see him yapping into Soleum's ears about all the drama he had watched unfold during the day!
(Nonchalantly, of course! Expressing too much excitement about such a thing would be beneath him, after all)
Braun & Will & Bill
[yesss, a trio this time!!]
I am sooo tempted to simply type out NOTHING and cut this post at least a paragraph shorter, but see, I don't think that to be the case. They wouldn’t be buddies; perhaps they wouldn’t even talk unless forced to sit next to each other during a dinner, but the moment they would click,,,
The thing about Will Graham is that, just like Kim Soleum, at first glance, he looks like your regular buddy you meet on the bus every day. If Bill Cipher has a single quality to his name, though, I think it would be his ability to assess people, find what they want and then squeeze his own plans through the gaps in the contract he purposely left there before. Sure, at the end of the day, there are some concepts, like love & friendship, that might never get through his non-existent skull, but in the short term, that doesn't seem to really interfere with his predictions.
Thus, I think, between the two of them, it would be Bill who would notice him. He would make a mental note to "probe him later & see what he is really made of". He would mention him to his boyfriend to taunt him, only for Ford to sigh in exasperation and ask him not to come close to any of his friends.
And when Braun off-handedly asks, [Did anyone pique your interest?], Bill slurps on his wine, laughs and tells him about this one human, this black sheep hidden among the herd, that caught his eye this afternoon.
My comment:
Braun and Ford's dynamic is SOOO interesting to think about!! The Billford & Braunsol parallels are genuinely eating off of my brain in real time, I can FEEL IT.
Was I glazing Braun too much?? No way, right? It's not my fault, he is superior to almost everyone here in every aspect!! I guess that is what being the manifestation of the perfect TV host does to a person/ghost story!
Bill & ⬛⬛
demonic table:
Bill & Alastor
As I see it, Bill's dynamic with Alastor doesn't necessarily need to be all that distinct from Braun's -- Bill is just more easily approachable.
(No wonder! He has been the odd one out in every society ever since the literal DAWN OF TIME, of courseee he is overcompensating now! In many situations where Braun simply would not engage at all, Bill's honed social skills kick in unwittingly -- an outdated survival instinct he adapted to not seem like a pathetic loser in the past.)
So, he and Al meet. They chat. Bill is always the first one in the group to point it out when Alastor does something chaotic to his liking, and Alastor gladly accepts the compliment.
The similarities between their powers would annoy them more than connect them. Their egos physically cannot handle the concept of not being UNIQUE.
Hey, the more I think about it, the more they seem like that one duo in a popular girls' friends group that actually (not so) secretly hates each other's guts, haha! At first glance, they would appear to get along splendidly, but the SECOND either of them is alone with his friends, he doesn't hesitate to drag the other one's name through the DIRT.
Bill & Hannibal
Bill's mindset towards therapy as a whole would inherently depend on his experiences in Theraprism. So far, those experiences aren't looking all that sweet. Maybe he would adopt the attitude of 'pitiful mortal, I have survived the most effective therapy this universe has to offer - did you think your emotion charts would be effective against someone like ME?'
The difference between Braunsol & Billford plays a role, too. Unlike Braun, who might, at least partially, willingly come to these lessons because of Soleum's request, Bill definitely would not listen to Ford, had he made such a suggestion. More likely, he just saw all his cool friends joining in & didn't want to be the one left out again.
Just imagine the FOMO.
human boyfriend table:
Bill & Vox
Not bonding. Not friends. A secret third thing.
They have loads in common, these two. Could Vox's attempt to seize control of both Heaven and Hell compare to Bill's Weirdmaggedon? Maybe. However, two people bringing forth the apocalypse a world ruled by their regime does not guarantee they would also get all friendly during joint therapy sessions.
I think their character arcs & motivations clash way too much. Bill's actions are driven by his desire to get rid of his 2d constraints (and eternally distract himself from the horrors of his past while role-playing as the most popular & powerful kid around), while Vox just wants to spite his rival & show everyone what he is truly capable of.
Somewhere deep inside, they are both so, so afraid of never being enough.
There is also the matter of running cults. At a similar time in history, too.
Still, none of this is sufficient for me to imagine how their interactions might go. I would loooove to hear your thoughts on these two, though!!
Bill & Soleum
Soleum x literally anyone is already enough to guarantee a spark. He is simply too much of a weirdo (affectionate).
A human, but a bit to the left.
One doesn't notice his uniqueness at first, but the second one realises his thoughts are on an entirely different frequency than everyone else's...a king of chaos of Bill's calibre would find him SO amusing!
I suppose he would find him interesting in a similar way to Will Graham, but multiplied by SIX, since he also just so happens to be his best friend's situationship. Bill lacks Braun's tact, so his first instinct (as a being who has been all his life fighting to present as the most powerful person in the room) would definitely be to try and estimate his strengths, weaknesses and especially his usefulness.
Is there any way I could use him against Braun if needed? fleshed through his head as he approached him for the first time.
KSE is no easy target, though, and Bill would soon come to realise that. Despite being a coward, which I don't think Bill would be able to realise on his own, this guy would not get intimidated by Bill's powers, nor would he readily accept any of his deals.
(After all, Ford would have already taken the initiative to give him a quick briefing on how to deal with his demonic boyfriend.)
Thus, after a few such attempts, Bill would inadvertently get sour and return to watching Soleum from a distance, patiently waiting for the next opportunity to present itself.
My comment:
I really, really like Bill.
He is so fun to write and to poke with a stick. This is a different form of affection than I feel towards Soleum, whom I'd put into Petri's dish and observe all day long.
Bill simply deserves to be bullied by me. He is vain, jealous, egotistical, but also really good at gaining people's trust and climbing the social ladder... at least until his target glimpses his true self underneath the glam and realises the sheerness of his patheticness!!
Simply perfect <33
Alastor & ⬛⬛
demonic table:
Alastor & Hannibal
Well, in all shamelessness, I am going to borrow your words for this one:
If there were to be some process to be made from Alastor's therapy session, it would start in some sort of reciprocal, deal-like manner in the beginning. As a headstrong person from the 1930s, who still has a strong aversion to modern technology (but like more than half of this aversion is from a badly-terminated relationship with Vox, honestly), I don't think he's gonna be easily open to the idea that "therapy can improve a person's life".
Exactly! I am glad we agree, hehehe!
These two have many things in common, and their individual situations mirror each other to such a high degree that they would undoubtedly feel suspicious and distrustful.
That is how all the rivalry-ridden stories start.
As time progressed, neither of them would ever dare to miss a single therapy session - it is their pride what's at stake, after all! They just found someone similar to them - naturally, their first instinct would be to show their significant other (and everyone else, too) that they are the better one of the two!
So, as I said, rivals, kind of. But also buddies, eventually. They would never reach Bill's and Braun's level of bonding, but their friendship would rank quite high up anyway!
human boyfriend table:
Alastor & Soleum
HMMMM.
I think seeing these two interact would actually be fun.
Just imagine: Braun, entering the room, Alastor standing up to go and greet him. They exchange a pleasantry or two, and then, suddenly, this guy in a suit pokes his head out from behind the great Host, and Alastor sees his idol's boyfriend for the first time.
They quietly stare at each other.
From Al's point of view, the kid would appear timid but also strangely calm - as if being in such an oppressive environment wasn't his first rodeo. Braun would place his hand on his shoulder casually and continue jovially chatting, and Soleum would indulge him for a while before excusing himself to go chat with someone more normal.
Braun's gaze would linger on the departing figure. Alastor would notice. He wouldn't understand.
But MY GOD, would he absolutely ADORE Soleum's TV host contamination. In fact, everyone from the demonic table would,,,
Alastor & Will
Had Alastor been a bit more introspective, he would have envied Hannibal, for his boyfriend's personality is so much smoother and more straightforward than Vox's.
Unfortunately, he isn't. Or maybe fortunately, since like this he also doesn't realise that he even HAS a boyfriend, lmaoo. In truth, he enjoys the constant fights and clashes with Vox (and Lucifer) wayyy too much -- definitely a lot more than he'd ever care for building proper, healthy relationships with the people around. To sum it up, Will doesn't pique his interest extensively.
However, I do get the feeling that if Hannibal ever showed him Will's killing technique, his design, he would like it a lot.
My comment:
This was a bit difficult because Alastor only cares about:
people he can use
those who are stronger than him
Vox
Even in his own show, it's pretty hard to determine what sort of relationship he has with Angel, Vaggi, Cherry Bomb...despite them living in the same building, these characters simply don't get picked up by his very specific antenna settings T-T When he looks around a room, he sees right through them.
Hannibal & ⬛⬛
Hannibal & boyfriend table (as a whole)
I think Hannibal's interactions with the humans would go far smoother than with demonic entities.
In his prime environment, surrounded mostly by people weaker than him, as far as he knows, he would finally be able to prosper. These are also people who come to his sessions willingly - or at least with much more enthusiasm than the members of the second table, anyway - so each sitting isn't wasted with pointless arguments.
(It's not so hard to imagine Soleum or Ford requesting these sessions directly and dragging their boyfriends with them against their will, hehe!)
Overall, he would clash the most with Vox, since he is the only other entity that would feel superior at this table, too. With his pride hurt from the fact that it was Alastor who was judged as the more menacing of the pair, he would childishly try to make Hannibal's life as difficult as possible.
Ford would be the mediator, trying to calm everyone down, while also sometimes nitpicking Hannibal's methods, and Soleum would mostly observe &, from time to time, share an experience that would, despite his carefully-picked words, still make the entire table freeze.
Hannibal would like being Soleum's psychiatrist the most since the guy would never stop surprising him.
Vox & ⬛⬛
Vox & Ford
Their relationship would 100% depend on Vox's current mood - if content, he would taunt the scientist and enjoy seeing him struggle not to snap back, and in a bad mood, he would simply ignore him completely and pay his reprimands no mind.
Vox & Soleum
Um. You will find out what I think about these two in the last passage...
Vox & Will
No matter their views of each other, these two have to interact -- after all, they would be seeing each other at every. single. gathering.
Previously, we have established that the main bonding happens between Soleum & Ford + Braun & Bill (I can already see them booking a table in a restaurant for a double date, they are soooo compatible!!), so that consequently leaves us with Alastor & Hannibal + ...?
Yes, these two dummies.
#forced-into-friendship-by-outside-forces
Ford & ⬛⬛
Ford & Soleum
We have already talked about these two a lot - they have so much to learn from one another! If Soleum wasn't Soleum, I would directly call them friends. Alas, I can only say that Ford thinks of him as a dear friend, while Soleum enjoys his company and does seek him out during these occasions. (It's just that his definition of friendship is skewed T-T)
In fact! Their friendship might be a better therapy deal for Sol than his sessions with Hannibal ever could.
This guy literally NEEDS to meet good-natured and kind-hearted scientists. After all the trauma he carries from the Cheerful Research Institute and from Kwak Jekang's practices, it is a must. Ford has to show him the whimsy of research again!! Which is no easy task to do, since Sol is the prime TEST SUBJECT. But. Imagine. A fic. Where they just fool around. in a laboratory.
SO MUCH FLUFF!!
Ford & Will
Hm. Friends?
Soleum & ⬛⬛
Soleum & Will
My choice of leaving Soleum for last is very questionable, since it means all of his interactions are scattered throughout this entire section. Considering I love analysing him A LOT, looking back, after, like, three weeks of constantly updating this post by small chunks, this decision of mine really baffles me!
Anyway, Soleum would love Will's company! He is literally so normal. Just a regular guy. They would discuss the weather, sports, and some random news trivia they'd come across that day. There would be no consequences of running out of topics to talk about and no wrong choices either.
What could Will (or Hannibal) ever possibly do to Soleum, with Braun backing him? He is THE safest person to chat with, to anger, and again to reconcile with.
Final commentary on this part:
PHEW!!
I feel like this section drained at least twenty years of creative thinking from my life! So much brainpower!! T-T
I didn't even know I had it in me, but once I took on the challenge of dissecting EVERYONE, I could not back down easily! Kinda proud of myself, too, for putting this whole thing together! :Dd
It's also clear that with such a high amount of information, our opinions on several subjects might diverge, so PLEASE, I would love to hear EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOUR THOUGHTS!!!! (But no pressure, ofc!! Obviously, you don't need to expand on every single one!! I know that not all of these relationships are all that interesting, but I suppose that is just how human, ha, interactions are! Basically, all and every single one of your opinions will be deeply cherished <3)
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Regarding your chaos ranking...
You cannot even begin to fathom how much I LOVE your analysis! (and bow-ties are definitely cool!! The way I was thinking about that quote while drawing them T-T Doctor Who truly does stick with a person forever!)
Firstly, the level of chaos is DEFINITELY a great choice of quantity to measure and label them by! All of these guys are just INSANE!!
I also really enjoyed the way you separated them in your latter commentary, and it even gave me an idea for another sort of chart, haha!
I wholeheartedly agree with everything you said - which is also why I positioned Braun so low in the "mentally human" section -- he acts like a human, but there is a clear discrepancy between his actions and his thoughts in this regard.
Bill is definitely pure CHAOS - stuffed into a 2d triangle body and made to interact with humans. THAT IS WHAT MAKES HIM SO GREAT.
Just like you suggested, I put Caine into the non-human corner - and as far as possible at that! In my opinion, even though he comes from humans, was made by them, born from their ideas and created to interact with humans daily, he is so fundamentally different from them that it ultimately led to his own end.
Where to position him on your chaos chart, though...
You are right, that is quite a difficult question to ponder!
It feels wrong to suggest he could be more chaotic than the king of chaos himself, but at the end of the day, Bill is still a living, breathing (?) creature. Capable of being moved by emotions, of changing, and reigning in the chaos within. Caine's existence had one purpose, and he abided by that purpose - that, on its own, speaks against a chaotic nature. Inside these boundaries set by the nature of his existence, though, nothing was holding him back.
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Regarding Braun = Nyarlahthotep ...THANK YOU SM FOR FINDING THE POSTS FOR ME! Gonna go through them once I am completely finished here! Expect my thoughts on that subject soon!! :Dd
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Regarding Hazbin Hotel predictions... I love how we share the same wavelength!! I will separate this section from this post and reply to all your thoughts in a new one later, if you don't mind! There is MUCH we can examine on that topic, after all, and this post is already...so...long...
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Vox and Soleum argument????About CULTS??? OH MY GOSH, gotta write that scenario down NOW!! (it will be a very crude version but,, I have to,,, the voices,,, )
AND WE ALL KNOW THERE IS ONLY ONE LINE KIM SOLEUM WOULD NEVER CROSS!!!!
(...) “Repeat to me what you just said.” The calm voice echoed through the dimly lit room.
In a place such as this, illuminated solely by the flames joyfully crackling in the fireplace, a person cannot put their trust solely in sight to discern other people's expressions. You have to listen to their heavy breathing, to the creaking of wood and rustling of fabric as they shift their bodies on the chairs. Feel the temperature as it slowly drops.
The heat of the fireplace had never felt this distant before. Not unlike someone hitting the off-switch, the air around grew cold in an instant.
During these tense moments, Kim Soleum’s lips formed a straight line. Under better lighting, perhaps, one could see his pale cheeks flushing slightly red. Blaming it on the sudden chill would be pointless, though, since the coolness itself emanated from his gloomy expression.
Ford, who promptly noticed the unexpected change in atmosphere, cleared his throat, turning towards Kim Soleum on his right, who was still staring at Vox in disbelief. “I cannot say I entirely follow, but-“ he habitually paused to confirm that both of them were paying attention to his words- “let’s refrain from fighting for now. There is nothing to be gained from causing a stir in a place like this.” His tone was uncharacteristically mild, as if he were soothing a misbehaving child.
Try as he might, it seemed to be to no avail.
“Didn’t you catch the meaning behind his words?” Despite the fact that his question was aimed at Ford, Kim Soleum didn’t move. His dark red eyes were pinning Vox to his chair like a mosquito.
Vox’s smile widened into a sneer, as though encouraging him to continue.
At last, this sort of provocation was enough to revert Kim Soleum back to his usual self. His gaze shifted to Ford instead, silently requesting support. “He implied that...that the lives of the people following him held no value in his eyes.” The young man didn’t even try to hide the disgust in his voice.
Vox finally couldn't take it anymore. “HAHAHAHAHA! Is that what ticked you off? Pathetic!”
The other man did not budge. “Human beings aren’t expendable.”
“Oh, aren’t they?” Vox chuckled again, leaning slightly forward in his chair. “Why are there so many of them, then? All but waiting for a leader to show them the way. I didn't make them that way, it's just how the world is!” He smirked. “Isn’t it a sacred duty of the shepherds to step up and look after their herd? You do agree, don’t you? Oh, you do. HAHAHAHA! I have met enough cult leaders in Hell to know we all think alike.”
That sentence jolted Ford from his reverie, and he stole another glance at Kim Soleum’s way. “You are in on this, too?”
Seeing his disbelief, Vox laughed so much that tears burst out and wetted the rims of his screen. “How amusing! Truly the pot calling the kettle black!”
Kim Soleum’s lack of response soon made Vox provocative smile drop. Only after a few moments of silence did he finally speak up: “The duty of a shepherd?” Kim Soleum shook his head, lowering his gaze towards his empty hands. “Cult leaders are no shepherds.”
“Oh?” Vox crossed his arms over his chest, suddenly appearing to have lost all interest in the topic. His next words reeked of sarcasm. “Please, enlighten me, O Great One. What are we then?"
Kim Soleum paused for a moment before turning towards Ford instead. His stiff expression eased a bit and looked almost a bit sorrowful. “They are either wolves, leading the herd towards its doom, or sacrificial lambs, choosing to suffer in the herd’s stead.”
Vox appeared slightly pensive as he mulled Kim Soleum’s words over. Before he could muster up a smart reply, though, a sultry voice filled the room with its laughter. Kim Soleum relaxed as he recognised it, which - contrarily - made Ford slightly furrow his brows.
Two big hands patted Kim Soleum's shoulders.
[Very well said, my dear Friend.]
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HEHE, and that is ALL from me for now! I feel like I am sending a dear pigeon to fly across the ocean. This post has grown on me so much T-T I will leave it in your wonderful care now!
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Also, since the reblogs are getting longer, I would like to start a new post (with this entire queue tagged OF COURSE), do you mind me doing it? If not, I would DEFINITELY continue this reblogging session! (Also, it would take much time for me as well to expand (& savour) my thoughts about your takes, so hope you don't mind for the time it might take!)
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And yes, PLEASE, a new post is literally A NEED. While I enjoy glimpsing everything we created as I scroll to the bottom, after editing the post for so long, going from the top every time got tiring pretty quickly hahaha
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extra: their subsequent dinner not-date
I hate ADHD and I especially hate executive dysfunction because it’s like body horror. WHAT DO YOU MEAN I can’t go to sleep when it’s almost 5am in the morning and I’m honestly tired of scrolling and going on social media and I do want to BUT MY FUCKING LIZARD BRAIN DOES NOT LET ME.
I’m like, “let’s sleep now,” and the body is “nononono, anything but that,” and proceeds to scroll through 4378357139 reels that I’ll never have any useful information on.
The sun is fucking rising. Goddammit.
TLDR; if GSGW/GDCG is indeed getting adapted into a manhwa/webtoon, the earliest we can expect its release is late May/early June.
So. Let me explain the leak.(cut below)