GERMAN WOMAN WANTS DISGUSTING GERMAN MAN (NOT CLICKBAIT)
And doesn’t know what to do about it
Dear Btd/tpof fandom I seek your advice
I’ve been playing with the thought of getting into Btd/Tpof recently but I am unsure for various reasons. If anyone has the time to read through it all I‘d appreciate it :]
First of all I am not a minor, I am 20yrs old so that’s not an issue.
The story of the games intrigues me, and more so the different characters. Here is where the problem starts: I am very sensitive. Anything regarding t*rtute is usually completely off the table for me. I’ve already read through the trigger warnings and seen some of the cutscenes, and while I do find it a bit gross, I am still kind of curious about it. I feel like Btd/Tpof could be a safe and harmless way to kind of face my irrational fear of being harmed. I am particularly interested in Strade and Ren (the most gruesome guy, idk either), but I don’t know if this curiosity should be sated. I don’t condone their actions and real life and to be frank, I kind of feel a bit 'disgusted' by my want to know more about these games. On the other hand, maybe it would do me good to get in touch with the more 'darker' sides of myself. I know all of this is fictional and I’d never defend it.
I am unsure if I should indulge myself or rather keep my hands off it. I feel like most people have very personal reasons for playing this type of game, so I‘d like to know if it has helped anyone confront their Trauma or anything similar.
I will probably discuss this with my therapist as well, but I‘d like your thoughts.
At the end of the day it’s obviously my decision, I‘m an adult, but I‘d still like to know what others think. Thank you for participating if you do, u guys r pretty chill from what I‘ve seen so far :p
You can reblog or dm me I don’t mind either <3
Edit: perhaps I should clarify: I am very aware Btd is a fetish game. I‘m interested in that sort of stuff, I‘m just new to getting to know this type of desire. Dunno if it’s related but I have my fair share of trauma (including SA), I‘m just worried if this will affect my mental illnesses somehow :]
For personal reasons of curiosity, I would like to ask as many people as possible why they enjoy playing visual novels. More precisely, I‘d like to know why people enjoy playing dark (romance) novels.
I have my own reasons, after all I‘m playing them myself, but I‘m interested in knowing what other people think.
I’ve heard about tpof and btd, but those are way too brutal for me unfortunately, but I‘m curious about the people who seem to enjoy those games no problem specifically.
You can go into heavy detail, keep it short, send me an ask about it, it doesn’t really matter. I‘ll take anything :]
be honest do u think it’s the past life theory?? for tkatb
I personally think that it would make sense for Fantasia to incorporate it into the story, since Crowe has acknowledged it himself as well (and he’s very clearly not delusional). I just believe that Fantasia will handle it differently than most people anticipate.
The thing that I don’t like about these tropes is that people tend to mischaracterize them because everyone views these things differently. People give their own twists to the Soulmate and past life trope, and I believe many decisions can also be influenced by your personal interpretation of Love and romance.
I don’t think that it’ll be a cute 'Soulmate' lovestory. At least I hope not, because it’d defeat the entirety of Sol as a character to me.
(I also doubt that it’s Sol who is MC‘s soulmate, I think it might actually really be Crowe, but that’s just a personal theory.)
The past life theory has potential, I hope Fantasia uses it well if they end up writing it into the story.
Idk where else to ask this since Fantasia has asks turned off but I'm very new to the game and seeing everyone's theories about?? Past lives?? Is very interesting! But why is everyone talking about Sol having a guillotine scar beneath his choker? I don't recall seeing it in official art or in the game?
Sol‘s "Scar"
I’ve asked myself this question plenty of times as well, so I decided to try and collect any information on it I could find for you.
Firstly: Personally, I don’t really think he has a guillotine scar on his neck. I think that people just say that he has one because it fits the past life theory.
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I think that people mostly take the evidence from this cutscene from the Bad ending where Sol kills Crowe:
You can see that he’s not wearing his Choker here, revealing some sort of bruise that wraps around his entire neck.
But I don’t think that’s really a scar? After all MC chokes him with his choker prior to this, so I think it’s much more realistic to say that it’s the bruise from it. It also doesn’t really look like a scar at all.
It’s also the only picture I‘ve found drawn by fantasia that shows Sol without his Choker. So we don’t have anything for comparison to show. Maybe that bruise was there even before MC‘s attempt to choke Sol. We can’t really say.
All we really know is that Sol doesn’t really take it off. Ever.
Even if it’s kind of played off as a joke here, I think it underlines that he’s very reluctant to take it off or let MC see his exposed neck: Evidence
He doesn’t like being choked, or having hands anywhere near his neck. This could be an indicator for a scar, but it could also be because of some sort of traumatic past. Maybe he has trauma regarding being choked, and thus prefers to keep his neck covered with a choker.
"In return, just don't wrap two hands around his neck, he isn't fond of getting choked with the use of hands." - fantasia
But again, it’s never stated directly that there’s a scar present. It’s just a theory, and it could be true, but we don’t know for sure. I only mentioned it in my little essay to back up why people might compare Sol to the executioner. If we take the past life theory at face value, we could also theorize that he doesn’t like his neck being exposed because he was killed by a guillotine. He doesn’t really need to have a scar or bruise in order to be uncomfortable with it. Maybe it’s like phantom discomfort, that he feels like his head might fall off his shoulders if there’s not something constantly "keeping it in place".
Idk where else to ask this since Fantasia has asks turned off but I'm very new to the game and seeing everyone's theories about?? Past lives?? Is very interesting! But why is everyone talking about Sol having a guillotine scar beneath his choker? I don't recall seeing it in official art or in the game?
Sol‘s "Scar"
I’ve asked myself this question plenty of times as well, so I decided to try and collect any information on it I could find for you.
Firstly: Personally, I don’t really think he has a guillotine scar on his neck. I think that people just say that he has one because it fits the past life theory.
CONTAINS SPOILERS
I think that people mostly take the evidence from this cutscene from the Bad ending where Sol kills Crowe:
You can see that he’s not wearing his Choker here, revealing some sort of bruise that wraps around his entire neck.
But I don’t think that’s really a scar? After all MC chokes him with his choker prior to this, so I think it’s much more realistic to say that it’s the bruise from it. It also doesn’t really look like a scar at all.
It’s also the only picture I‘ve found drawn by fantasia that shows Sol without his Choker. So we don’t have anything for comparison to show. Maybe that bruise was there even before MC‘s attempt to choke Sol. We can’t really say.
All we really know is that Sol doesn’t really take it off. Ever.
Even if it’s kind of played off as a joke here, I think it underlines that he’s very reluctant to take it off or let MC see his exposed neck: Evidence
He doesn’t like being choked, or having hands anywhere near his neck. This could be an indicator for a scar, but it could also be because of some sort of traumatic past. Maybe he has trauma regarding being choked, and thus prefers to keep his neck covered with a choker.
"In return, just don't wrap two hands around his neck, he isn't fond of getting choked with the use of hands." - fantasia
But again, it’s never stated directly that there’s a scar present. It’s just a theory, and it could be true, but we don’t know for sure. I only mentioned it in my little essay to back up why people might compare Sol to the executioner. If we take the past life theory at face value, we could also theorize that he doesn’t like his neck being exposed because he was killed by a guillotine. He doesn’t really need to have a scar or bruise in order to be uncomfortable with it. Maybe it’s like phantom discomfort, that he feels like his head might fall off his shoulders if there’s not something constantly "keeping it in place".
Do you think the player character already suspects that Kuras isn't human since he was able to reattach their arm without being affected by their curse?
I don’t know if the player does, but I feel like anyone with common sense would know something is up.
I can only speak for myself, but if someone could sew my ripped off limb back on without leaving any stitches, I‘d be pretty suspicious of that person.
Also his golden eyes… I don’t know if that’s a normal occurrence in the TS universe, but golden eyes?? I mean… how could you NOT think that this guy is supernatural??
Maybe the game will touch up on it once it’s finally released, but I sure hope MC isn’t dense enough to not see that Kuras is a little bit out of the ordinary.
Pun intended but i am starved for the game touchstarved to be released:((( i know the team on social media is very active BUT sometimes i am like "okay this meme is funny but please release the full game?"
Oh I totally agree.
They’re literally starving us for content (pun intended) 😔
But on the other hand I don’t really mind it. I‘m not hyped HYPED about the game yet, but it lingers in the back of my mind you know? I think once it gets released I‘ll be very into it. But it’s perhaps better to know less so you can get fully emerged into the story!
Disclaimer: This is no hate to the people that came up with the Soulmate theory, it is in fact a very good theory! The title is really just clickbait and I thought it was funny. English isn’t my first language, but I tried to explain everything well. If something is hard to understand just ask and I‘ll try to explain it differently. Contains spoilers for the tkatb game.
For those of you who don’t know the theory: It‘s kind of hard to pinpoint the exact post everybody is talking about since there’s more than one, but if you want to get a feeling for what it‘s about I‘d recommend reading this or this.
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"Well, if the theory doesn’t suck, then what even is your problem??"
While the theory in itself doesn’t suck, I do have a few issues that I would like to go over just in case anybody feels the same way. There is a lot of indications that this theory is true (see the links above for more), and obviously if something is hinted at this much there will be some truth stuck to it.
I personally feel like the theory that MC and Sol are actually soulmate kind of defeats the purpose that Sol is supposed to be a delusional Yandere. It gives him an actual "reason" to obsess over MC, because in the grand scheme of the universe, MC is actually connected to him in a way. The soulmate troupe is generally used for romance after all, wich kind of goes against what the visual novel is supposed to be.
I enjoy Sol‘s character as much as the next person, but from what I‘ve gathered from fantasia-kitt and the information that were given, tkatb is not a dating sim, but rather a horror visual novel. At least that’s how Fantasia wants us to see the game as. And again, while I believe the theory in itself fits into the story perfectly fine, I think fantasia didn’t really intend for it to be taken the way that it is.
"My game is not a romance game, it's a thriller/horror game." - Fantasia
When I first played it, I only had the free version downloaded. After enjoying the story however, I decided to go back and pay for the additional nsfw version (for educational purposes of course ;) ), and I feel like the games’ horror aspect shines through so much more because of those few added scenes. Obviously part of me enjoyed the spice, I‘m not going to sit here and lie in your faces, but the information that was added with this specific version also helped me see Sol in the way fantasia initially intended us to; a fucking weirdo.
Take the highly controversial infamous 🍇 scene for example. Of course it’s already weird enough that he breaks into MCs house and drugs them in the sfw version, but to me it really conveyed the type of yandere Sol happens to be. The lengths he is willing to go to satiate his delusions, how deranged and mentally unwell this guy actually is. People tend to forget that yanderes aren’t only obsessed jealous people, and I think fantasia did a fine job at conveying that. Sol is in fact not a good person.
What does this have to do with the soulmate theory?
Like I said before, Sol is highly delusional. And not in a "I‘m so delulu I‘m just a guy" way, but he is actually delusional enough the believe that MC is in fact his soulmate.
You know how people for example take everything as a "sign" that something is supposed to happen? Like when you see your initials next to the person you like in a TikTok post and think "damn, this can’t be a coincidence", or when a horoscope gives you advice that perhaps fits your current situation perfectly well. Those are delusions. You’re being delusional.
Sol is obsessed with the MC to a degree he actually believes that they must’ve been together in every lifetime. That just has to be it, there’s no other possible way. But MC knows nothing about this guy. They didn’t even realize they shared a class together. Sol stalks MC probably every day, drugs them, and sneaks into their house to live out his weird ass fantasies for a reason we don’t yet know. He‘s deluded himself to a point that he actually thinks that it’s fate, that it must be destined by the universe.
Fantasia says themselves that Sol is narrow minded and deranged. We know he’s a virgin with no former experience in romance and dating. Perhaps he’s never even had a crush before. Maybe his first reaction to all these new feelings that he doesn’t understand is that this must be sent by the universe. The pull he feels towards MC must be something out of this world, it can’t just be normal romantic attraction. I mean, he asks Hyugo to kill him after MC dies in ending 1, this guy is absolutely fixated on the MC to a point where it’s just plain psychotic.
I‘d also argue that Sol‘s feelings towards MC can be described as "Love", but we won’t get into that now.
"The yandere is not in love with you, they lust after you, they are delusional enough to believe that what they feel is genuine love when in fact, love like that is never real nor to be accept in the first place. You should feel repulsed by their actions." - Fantasia
And while he does feel all these strong feelings, he can’t even explain why he views them as a savior/angel. He might be MC‘s stalker, but he doesn’t truly know them. He just idolizes them.
"[…] that I finally got to write down what he is capable of, that he is irredeemable and having Crowe as his source of hatred just because he is close to the MC shows his narow-mindedness, he is sick in the head. Sol is not mild, he is on the EXTREME level of yandere, he is DERANGED and I will keep writing him like that." -Fantasia
"The way Sol sees MC is special, he sees them no one else can, just like a lover would. A lover would see their significant other that other people don't understand." -Fantasia
The soulmate theory is good. But I feel like because it is so good it would be so much better if it wasn’t actually true (or if it had some sort of twist to it). Everything aligns perfectly. Sol used to be the executioner in a past life and couldn’t be with the MC, so naturally he’d try everything to get them to love him in this life right? Except there is no past life. Sometimes coincidences line up so perfectly that we actually believe that there’s value behind it, a greater meaning. The bruise on his neck, his tendency for violence, it just has to mean something right?! Maybe he can make MC see, make them realize that yes, Sol is absolutely right with his Soulmate theory, they’re meant to be!
"He says that you're the one even though you've only met him once." - Fantasia
It feels like such a perfect theory to make the MC believe that they’re really destined to be together by the universe. The perfect theory to manipulate a naive person into thinking that their hearts beat as one, that their Soulstrings are carefully tied together by fate‘s own hands. Except they’re not. It’s all made up. A well conducted story to lure MC in and make them believe they’re his.
It’s easy to slip into the "Oh, but we’re actually soulmates so he can’t really help it" in my opinion, so I‘m not really fond of this theory. MC is just a normal person. They’re not special, not tied to him in any way. He just let’s himself believe it. And he wants you to believe it too.
"[…] I don't want people to excuse Sol, I don't want people to develop an unhealthy relationship and idea with a yandere." - Fantasia
"You could already tell he's trying to charm you (and its working) to get you to trust him so he can do all the nasty stuff. […] Not only he got to fool the MC but YOU, the player, as well." - Fantasia
Maybe I‘m just biased since I don’t particularly enjoy the amnesia and/or reincarnation trope very much, I feel like it has a lot of potential that never gets fleshed out in a satisfying way. In the case of tkatb, I think I wouldn’t really enjoy the reveal of it if it were the case. But at the end of the day fantasia can do whatever they want with it (as they should), and if that’s the course they want to take then that’s perfectly fine.
What kind of stops me from having a strong opinion is that we don’t really know what Fantasia’s understanding of Soulmates is. Maybe they have a special way of viewing the trope, maybe they don’t even believe in it at all privately! Some people for example think soulmates are always romantic, while others think they can be platonic as well. How do they categorize its meaning? Does their personal opinion influence their story?
But that’s just my opinion. It’s totally fine if you have a different theory or if you don’t agree, it’s just a game after all!
I think the idea that they’re soulmates in itself isn’t bad. It could be a device to show the player that even tho there is a soul connection, it doesn’t justify Sol‘s behavior and he’s taking it way too far. And if the reincarnation theory is true, maybe Crowe could be our true soulmate. He serves as a direct counterpart to Sol after all, so why not? Sol says "It‘s always him", in regards to what he thinks about Crowe. Maybe he’s trying to convince himself that it’s not Crowe who is MC‘s soulmate, but him instead. Because in his mind, that makes much more sense.
Conclusion
I think that the theory in itself works in the world of tkatb, however I feel like the issue lies more in the way that people receive it. It gives the player a reason to sympathize with Sol, after all he "just wants to be with his Soulmate", right? But I think Fantasia wanted to implement this trope to empathize how selfish Sol is, and that he doesn’t actually care about what his Soulmate wants. Personally, I believe that if you’re someone‘s soulmate, you should want to see them happy. And Sol clearly isn’t happy with MC when they pick Crowe over him (wich results in Crowe‘s brutal death). It’s something that he‘s using as an excuse to justify his obsessive behavior and should perhaps be treated as such.
"You hate him? That's good! That's the whole point of his character! You're SUPPOSE to hate him!" - Fantasia
And again, we know way too little of the worldbuilding and plot to actually know for sure. I think it’s way more likely that I‘m proven wrong in the future than the others. I just wanted to share my thoughts hihi
I'll bite. What do you think Kuras did to cause him to go into exile?
I feel like Kuras has something to do with the Fogfall, but as for now I know way too little of the Worldbuilding to really theorize about it.
He came from the Shroud himself, and for some reason he carries around guilt like it’s his purse. In the TS universe Monsters and Soulless seem to be separate things, so perhaps he‘s responsible for the creation of soulless somehow?
Maybe it’s like a Pandora‘s box situation where he got too curious about something in the human realm and ended up causing something so terrible he feels responsible for fixing it?
I‘d fuck all of them but I‘m pretty sure realistically Vere and Ais would NOT want me 💀
Mhin and I are very alike, so I‘d say I‘d marry them. I feel like we would get along fine. Kuras also seems like he’d make a very good husband. Maybe us three can work something out together wink wonk
As for kill I‘d say no one, but if I‘m forced to I‘d kill Leander out of jealousy because he has bigger boobs than me
I am not sure it will happen but it's implied that Vere and Ais are friends with benefits soooo maybe if you choose Ais for example, Vere could act very hostile and jealous towards MC
If you choose Vere not at all because i see Ais being very chill on this. However some implications about love interests being a thing idk feels new to the otome genre in a good way.
Absolutely agree. I think the conflict between Vere and MC in Ais‘ Route could be a very interesting plot point.
Ais is practically everything Vere has. Even tho their relationship is "just" friends with benefits, it’s very clear that they genuinely enjoy each others company. When Vere speaks of Ais, his expression grows fond and he seems almost soft. He clearly likes him.
And then suddenly this random traveler comes along, having Ais wrapped around their finger and taking him away from him. What does that leave him with?
I don’t think I have seen anyone talk and theorize about MC‘s Curse/Powers (whatever you‘d like to call it), and wanted to share my thoughts on it with the limited knowledge that we have.
If you have your own theories please share them, I‘d love to hear what everyone else thinks!
(Disclaimer: English isn’t my first language and I have a hard time translating my thoughts, so I hope you can understand what I‘m getting at anyways 😭)
All we really know from the Demo is that our Curse "changes" the people that we touch. The only time we really saw the effects of our abilities is when we meet the traveler and he grabs our wrist.
The game only says it affects people when we touch them, but we didn’t really put our hands on the Traveler at all. They were touching our wrist. Does that mean our curse does not only activate when our hands are touched, but also our wrist? What area of our hands/arms is affected by this?
From what part of our hand does the curse activate and where would it be safe to touch us?
What I also find interesting is that our touch isn’t a direct death sentence. It’s not a lethal touch. The way MC describes it, it only "changes" people. But change how? Their faces contort into a wide grin and they attempt to kill us. So it’s not like we have a Shigaraki type ability (look up My Hero Academia for context). I‘m really curious in what way the MCs powers alter people‘s minds.
I also believe the choice of language regarding MC and their curse is very much intentional. (As in "curse" instead of "powers" or "abilities" and "changing people" instead of a "cursing them back" or anything along the lines of "hurting them")
I also find interesting that the people affected by our curse attempt to strangle us, wich apparently seems to have happened before from what MC describes. They’re driven to madness sure, but I just wonder by what. Does our curse perhaps cause hallucinations?
I‘m also reminded of a scene in the hunger games mockingjay part 1, after rescuing Peeta. While being tortured by the capitol, he was injected with a venom from a hallucination inducing animal (Tracker jacker) to initially manipulate his thoughts on Katniss. Because of this, he starts to associate her with terrible things like the bombing of district 12 and sees her as an actual threat to himself and others. After he’s rescued and meets Katniss again for the first time, he immediately tries to strangle her. Perhaps our abilities work similar to the tracker jacker venom, causing the "victim" to see us as a threat and trigger their fight or flight response, causing them to to defend themselves.
When we meet Vere, who is a Monster, he pulls us closer and says "Looks like we’re both…" wich also confused me. Perhaps MC isn’t as human as we might assume. But if we were, Mhin would obviously dislike us right? Maybe we’re just a rare case, a supernatural being that somehow goes undetected by the main cast. Or maybe they know and just don’t let it be known. Maybe we’re not quite monster but also not quite human (a secret third thing). It seems like there’s something he knows that we don’t, or perhaps that we’re actively trying to conceal.
In the unnamed MC origin, it is stated that initially MC‘s curse used to be celebrated as a touch of enlightenment. I just wonder how they came to that conclusion, judging by what happens when someone gets touched by MC. Why did the priests believe that turning mad to the point of trying to strangle their precious oracle was any sort of divine epiphany? I‘m just so curious about this specific origin. Additionally to this, the game states that we experience "unnatural premonitions" that rattle your body and soul". While we‘re able to cast spells in the Alchemist origin and can detect magic, these premonitions seem to be something different entirely. Is it part of the curse? Is that just something that happens when you grow up around priests? I don’t know, seems like some hidden ability.
I also wonder if the effects of the curse are just the result of MC not being able to control it. Maybe it’s not really a curse, but rather some sort of power that can be controlled if you practice? They never learned how to keep their powers at bay, so naturally they turn everyone they touch insane. I mean, after getting attacked everytime you touch someone who would come to the conclusion that their powers aren’t actually harmful?
We also don’t know if the state of madness can be reverted somehow. All we know is that the people MC touch go insane and immediately attempt to murder them. But what would happen if they were taken away from MC? Would they attempt to kill everyone else as well or is it just us? Are they still capable of acting "normal" once the trigger (MC) is removed?
Lastly… those edgy ass bandages…
Also MC is so goddamn edgy for using bandages, like come on man, you can’t tell me that that’s more comfortable than just wearing gloves. But to cut them some slack, gloves are a bit impractical and not as easy to find, so who am I to judge. And as I said before, we don’t know the specific area our curse is activated on. Maybe normal gloves don’t cover ourselves enough. With bandages, you can kind of pick how much of your skin you want to cover. Of course long gloves exist, but I think they’re a bit harder to find than regular ones. So maybe the bandages aren’t actually such a bad idea.
I think there‘s a lot of potential and I‘m really looking forward to the release of the game to find out!
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