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[spaghettibastard]

D O G

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‘Insomnia’

Jeff Wall, 1994.

[notnowtobey]

Anyway

Trans men and cis men are men. Cis women and trans women are women.

Men are adult human males and women are adult human females.

Therefore, trans men and cis men are males. Cis women and trans women are females.

Hence, trans men and cis men have male chromosomes, male hormones, male reproductive organs, male genitalia, etc. because they are male.

In addition, cis women and trans women have female hormones, female reproductive organs, female chromosomes, female genitalia, etc. because they are female.

In conclusion, men are male and women are female.

This has been a PSA.

[agirlneedsgoals]

@notnowtobey Bear with me because I think I understand but I want to be sure. Trans men have male chromosomes, hormones, and reproductive organs because they are men and so their chromosomes, hormones, and organs are male. Which is a totally different concept than saying they have XY chromosomes. Right?

[notnowtobey]

That’s it! Men have male chromosomes because they are male. What those chromosomes actually are might differ from male to male. It’s like some females have a uterus and some females don’t, but all women are females.

[auntiewanda]

Except, no, XY chromosomes are pretty definitely male. They are what directly causes a person to develop as the male sex. 

Basically what you’re doing is committing a logical fallacy. We call male humans men, so you’re claiming anyone who calls themselves a man must be male. Except those words actually have specific meanings. What makes “trans men” men in your opinion? 

[notnowtobey]

Way to miss the point completely.

Trans men are men because they identify as men. Same thing that makes a cis man a man.

[auntiewanda]

Except “cis” men aren’t men because they identify as men. That’s just their physical state of being as the male sex. Their physical state of being that consistently differs from the female sex. 

These aren’t arbitrary classifications. Beyond asking why we should ignore that humanity is split pretty much evenly into two different structures:

Biological sex also matters in reproduction, sexual orientation, medicine, cancers, organ transplants, strength training, competitive sports, armored protection etc.

And you’re proposing we just ignore it all for the sake of a small number of peoples’ subjective self identity that is based in sexism and arbitrary gender roles for the sexes. 

[notnowtobey]

Cis men are men because they identify as men. The “cis” part means they identify with the gender socially aligned with the sex they were assigned at birth, just as “trans” means they do not identify with the gender socially aligned with the sex they were assigned at birth.

Why do you think we need to classify humans as males and females? Are all males exactly the same and all females exactly the same?

[auntiewanda]

>  Cis men are men because they identify as men.

So this is you right now:

>  The “cis” part means they identify with the gender socially aligned with the sex they were assigned at birth, just as “trans” means they do not identify with the gender socially aligned with the sex they were assigned at birth.

Except this is precisely why so many people protest being called “cis”. Hardly anyone identifies with the gender roles society dictates for them based on their sex.

Gender is assigned, not sex. Mistaking gender for sex is the problem here. Gender is just the arbitrary prescribed behaviors and expectations people are pressured to follow based on which sex they are.

This “gender comes first” claim you have is simply bizarre. 

How do you even define ‘gender” by the way?

>  Why do you think we need to classify humans as males and females? Are all males exactly the same and all females exactly the same?

Because we have two sexes in our sexually reproducing species that are easily observed and tested as demonstrated in the above diagrams you ignored?

Why do you think we need to call people male or female based on subjective personal identity? 

[notnowtobey]

I see we’re no longer going to have a respectful discussion about this, so there’s really no point continuing.

[auntiewanda]

Well that’s convenient. You can’t actually answer my points about why “cis” is an offensive and fallacious concept or any of the actual scientific observations about our sexually reproducing species so you’re going to use tone policing as an out to take your ball and go home.

Anyone else who aligns with @notnowtobey’s beliefs wish to defend their stance?

[notnowtobey]

Yeah, maybe you shouldn’t have started your post by mocking me? Just a thought. Like maybe that’s a sign you don’t respect what I have to say, so maybe there’s no point continuing to discuss these things.

[auntiewanda]

>  Yeah, maybe you shouldn’t have started your post by mocking me?

Darling you insulted me first by ignoring everything I wrote and just repeating your thought terminating cliches.

>  Like maybe that’s a sign you don’t respect what I have to say

Should I respect what you have to say when you refuse to even consider and form rebuttals to anything anyone else has to say?

[notnowtobey]

I have responded to everything you (and others) have said with respect. I expect the same in return. No one is forcing you to engage in a discussion with me. It’s clear you don’t actually understand what I’m saying anyway. You’re missing the point by thismuch.

[auntiewanda]

>  I have responded to everything you (and others) have said with respect

Except when I showed you extensive evidence of the observable differences between what is classified as female and male biology and you chose to ignore it?

>   It’s clear you don’t actually understand what I’m saying anyway.

I understand what you’re saying and I’m demonstrating why it’s wrong.

[notnowtobey]

“what is classified as female and male biology”

> (that’s exactly it right there btw)

> but go on tell me I’m wrong

> I get that’s all you want from this

[auntiewanda]

Yeah I know everything I posted up there is female and male biology.

You, however, keep claiming that the classifications are arbitrary and that either type of anatomy should be placed under the classification of “female” or “male” based on the subjective personal identity of individuals. 

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Perfect pic of tobey hahahaha

[pleuv0nics]

HUH? Why so obsessed with genitals @auntiewanda? Why are you leaning so much on biology? This isn't the Middle Ages where we just fuck and farm. Gender norms were kind of useful back then because people needed to fuck a lot and work really hard to survive. But even then they were just arbitrarily drawn lines. Our understanding of our own biology is so primitive as it is so why are you in such a rush to shut the book? What makes you think our own knowledge of our own bodies is gospel and needs no further critique?

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