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Trans men and cis men are men. Cis women and trans women are women.
Men are adult human males and women are adult human females.
Therefore, trans men and cis men are males. Cis women and trans women are females.
Hence, trans men and cis men have male chromosomes, male hormones, male reproductive organs, male genitalia, etc. because they are male.
In addition, cis women and trans women have female hormones, female reproductive organs, female chromosomes, female genitalia, etc. because they are female.
In conclusion, men are male and women are female.
This has been a PSA.
@notnowtobey Bear with me because I think I understand but I want to be sure. Trans men have male chromosomes, hormones, and reproductive organs because they are men and so their chromosomes, hormones, and organs are male. Which is a totally different concept than saying they have XY chromosomes. Right?
Thatās it! Men have male chromosomes because they are male. What those chromosomes actually are might differ from male to male. Itās like some females have a uterus and some females donāt, but all women are females.
Except, no, XY chromosomes are pretty definitely male. They are what directly causes a person to develop as the male sex.Ā
Basically what youāre doing is committing a logical fallacy. We call male humans men, so youāre claiming anyone who calls themselves a man must be male. Except those words actually have specific meanings. What makesĀ ātrans menā men in your opinion?Ā
Way to miss the point completely.
Trans men are men because they identify as men. Same thing that makes a cis man a man.
ExceptĀ ācisā men arenāt men because they identify as men. Thatās just their physical state of being as the male sex. Their physical state of being that consistentlyĀ differs from the female sex.Ā
These arenāt arbitrary classifications. Beyond asking why we should ignore that humanity is split pretty much evenly into two different structures:
Biological sex also matters in reproduction, sexual orientation, medicine, cancers, organ transplants, strength training, competitive sports, armored protection etc.
And youāre proposing we just ignore it all for the sake of a small number of peoplesā subjective self identity that is based in sexism and arbitrary gender roles for the sexes.Ā
Cis men are men because they identify as men. The ācisā part means they identify with the gender socially aligned with the sex they were assigned at birth, just as ātransā means they do not identify with the gender socially aligned with the sex they were assigned at birth.
Why do you think we need to classify humans as males and females? Are all males exactly the same and all females exactly the same?
>Ā Cis men are men because they identify as men.
So this is you right now:
>Ā The ācisā part means they identify with the gender socially aligned with the sex they were assigned at birth, just as ātransā means they do not identify with the gender socially aligned with the sex they were assigned at birth.
Except this is precisely why so many people protest being calledĀ ācisā. Hardly anyoneĀ identifies with the gender roles society dictates for them based on their sex.
Gender is assigned, not sex. Mistaking gender for sex is the problem here. Gender is just the arbitrary prescribed behaviors and expectations people are pressured to follow based on which sex they are.
This āgender comes firstā claim you have is simply bizarre.Ā
How do you even defineĀ āgenderā by the way?
>Ā Why do you think we need to classify humans as males and females? Are all males exactly the same and all females exactly the same?
Because we have two sexes in our sexually reproducing species that are easily observed and tested as demonstrated in the above diagrams you ignored?
Why do you think we need to call people male or female based on subjective personal identity?Ā
I see weāre no longer going to have a respectful discussion about this, so thereās really no point continuing.
Well thatās convenient. You canāt actually answer my points about whyĀ ācisā is an offensive and fallacious concept or any of the actual scientific observations about our sexually reproducing species so youāre going to use tone policing as an out to take your ball and go home.
Anyone else who aligns with @notnowtobeyās beliefs wish to defend their stance?
Yeah, maybe you shouldnāt have started your post by mocking me? Just a thought. Like maybe thatās a sign you donāt respect what I have to say, so maybe thereās no point continuing to discuss these things.
>Ā Yeah, maybe you shouldnāt have started your post by mocking me?
Darling you insulted me first by ignoring everything I wrote and just repeating your thought terminating cliches.
>Ā Like maybe thatās a sign you donāt respect what I have to say
Should I respect what you have to say when you refuse to even consider and form rebuttals to anything anyone else has to say?
I have responded to everything you (and others) have said with respect. I expect the same in return. No one is forcing you to engage in a discussion with me. Itās clear you donāt actually understand what Iām saying anyway. Youāre missing the point by thismuch.
>Ā I have responded to everything you (and others) have said with respect
Except when I showed you extensive evidence of the observable differences between what is classified as female and male biology and you chose to ignore it?
> Ā Ā Itās clear you donāt actually understand what Iām saying anyway.
I understand what youāre saying and Iām demonstrating why itās wrong.
āwhat is classified as female and male biologyā
> (thatās exactly it right there btw)
> but go on tell me Iām wrong
> I get thatās all you want from this
Yeah I know everything I posted up there is female and male biology.
You, however, keep claiming that the classifications are arbitrary and that either type of anatomy should be placed under the classification ofĀ āfemaleā orĀ āmaleā based on the subjective personal identity of individuals.Ā
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HUH? Why so obsessed with genitals @auntiewanda? Why are you leaning so much on biology? This isn't the Middle Ages where we just fuck and farm. Gender norms were kind of useful back then because people needed to fuck a lot and work really hard to survive. But even then they were just arbitrarily drawn lines. Our understanding of our own biology is so primitive as it is so why are you in such a rush to shut the book? What makes you think our own knowledge of our own bodies is gospel and needs no further critique?
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