Proship Plurals & Kin Database

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Hub Server: Proship Plurals & Kin Database (PPK)

Hey everyone! We’re the Proship Plurals & Kin Database - PPK!

We're a brand new discord server hub - and an alternative to Pluralhub. Our mission is to create a comprehensive list of safe, friendly, and active discord servers for likeminded pluralfolk & kinfolk to enjoy, knowing that they won't make waves due to their source, their canons, or what they enjoy in fiction!

We are staunchly anti-gatekeeping of any kind. This means that we explicitly support:

all kinds of systems, not just the ones we personally understand

all kinds of kinfolk, whether therian, otherhearted, kin for fun, spiritual kin, or anywhere in between!

all kinds of LGBT+/MOGAI labels and orientations (please note that this excludes p-dophilia/zoophilia, as these are not MOGAI orientations)

people with “problematic” sources, kins, timelines, or canons

people with “problematic” fictional interests

We do not allow in any way shape or form:

any sort of exclusionary or harmful belief, even if kept private. this includes, but is not limited to: sysmedicalism, transmedicalism, LGBT+/MOGAI gatekeeping of ANY KIND, anti-ship rhetoric (more info about this here), racist/sexist/queerphobic/sysphobic beliefs, kin gatekeeping, etc

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[autistichalsin]

Uh- are you aware of the meaning of proship?

Proship has never meant anything except a combination of three ideas:

Ship and let ship (your ships don't harm me and vice-versa) and YKINMK (your kink is not my kink, and that's okay; my kink stories don't harm you and vice-versa)

Harassment over fiction is not acceptable

Censorship of fiction is not acceptable either

Any other definitions are made by antis, not proshippers, and are an attempt at revisionism to justify harassment based on false claims.

[froggibus]

WAIT that’s what that means?? 😭😭

everyone always has a dni for proshippers I thought it was something freaky or fucked up 😭😭

[octopuscato]

Yeah. Antis like to claim that the "pro" means "problematic", but nope. "Pro" (for) is simply the opposite of "anti" (against), and all that "proship" really means is "Let everyone ship what they want, everyone mind their own business".

[nationofcrumb]

A healthy reminder.

[typewriter83]

Louder 📣📣 for those in the back

“Pro” means we’re in favor of shipping; proship literally means we’re in favor of shipping! Can we please get back to this definition.

Anyone who tells you anything different is looking for trouble.

🫶🏻

[tiefighter]

My problematic ship is media literacy/the general public and media literacy tops

[derinthescarletpescatarian]

#original OP is a liar i’m p sure proship has always been about shipping minors with adults and the shippers always pull this rhetoric to#defend it#otherwise it’s just called ‘shipping’ but pedos made up the whole ‘pro ship: we ship *anything* ****including minors and adults! so.#so i’m always wary of self defined ‘proshippers’#their whole thing was predicated on inflammatory internet harassment in retaliation to other shippers being disgusted at their behavior

Incorrect. We had shippers and then people started calling themselves "anti-shippers", and pro-ship and anti-anti arose to mean "not an anti-shipper". That's all it's ever meant. It means not being an anti-shipper. Anti-shippers are trying to redefine it as meaning "problematic shipper" in order to try to gain rhetorical high ground by trying to give the impression that anyone who's not an anti-shipper is specifically writing underage rape porn and selling it to child abusers or something, but that has never been the case.

Some proshippers write about underage ships. Some write about gay ships. Some write the kind of generic romance that you'll find in an average romcom, with one character being the other's boss. Some write ships that not even the most obsessive puritan antis could find a firm moral reason to object to. Some, like me, don't write about sex at all and tend not to write about romantic relationships very much either, but firmly hold the stance that others should be allowed to write those things if they want.

Do you despise underage sex scenes? Does the very concept of them make you throw up in your mouth a little? Me too! I find them fucking disgusting! You know what I do about it?

I... don't read them. I certainly don't participate in hate campaigns to threaten, doxx or suicide bait random authors for writing stuff I don't like. That doesn't achieve anything. That doesn't protect any children. All it is is an excuse to bully someone and tell yourself that it's okay to feel righteous and powerful about it because people Deserve It if they write the fictional story wrong.

[kalessinsdaughter]

Antiship: wants to control what other people ship, read or like.

Proship: doesn't care what other people ship, read or like.

It's that simple.

Antis trying to retcon the meaning of proship, to justify harassing proshippers, is a massive self-own. They're failing to convince their new recruits that it's absurd to police what fictional stories other people like, so they have to make things up.

But really, antis are no different from the people who want to police what books a school library can carry. The kind who would call the unabridged version of The Diary of Anne Frank "pornographic" because it contains the teenaged writer's thoughts on and explorations of her own awakening sexuality. Antis would probably go even further, and call it "pedo".

[only-problems-deactivated202309]

Bullying people over fiction is stupid. I'm sorry, but fictional characters aren't going to reward you for "defending" rights they don't and never will have. The internet has rotted many of your brains, disconnecting you from reality and treating pixels better than humans. You have no issues with doxxing and suicide-bating people to "protect" imaginary ones, valuing them more than real individuals affected by your bullying. 

Fictional characters aren't real and don't need to be "saved" because they're paper dolls for people to play with however they please. Quit treating real humans like shit over nonexistent people. 

[only-problems-deactivated202309]

How you treat people will always speak volumes about what kind of person you are over your taste in fantasy. You can enjoy the most wholesome fiction, but it doesn’t matter when you’re harassing others, insulting and threatening them over having different tastes. Some people love problematic fiction yet are kind, respecting other individuals’ choices in characters and ships. 

You can scream about how your taste in fantasy makes you a “good” person, but it doesn’t mean shit when you’re an asshole. Your actions will always reflect who you are more than what characters and ships you like.

[neil-gaiman]

Hi! RE: your journal about the right for lolicon fiction to exist even if you disapprove of it, would you say it can also exist for titillation purposes, or do you stand by it for artistic reasons, or for the purpose of exploring dark themes only? I always thought you were saying the former, but I just wanted to ask. It's chill if you don't wanna answer this. Have a good day!

Here we are, 15 years on from that blog entry, and I still haven't read any lolicon, I'm afraid, so I have no idea about its themes. The context was whether you should be sent to prison for owning lolicon. What I said back then was,

In this case you obviously have read lolicon, and I haven't. I don't know whether you're writing from personal experience here, and whether you have personally been incited to rape children or give inappropriate hugs by reading it. (I assume you haven't. I assume that Chris Handley, with his huge manga collection, wasn't either. I've read books that claimed that exposure to porn causes rape, but have seen no statistical evidence that porn causes rape -- and indeed have seen claims that the declining number of US rapes may be due to the wider availability of porn. Honestly, I think it's a red herring in First Amendment matters, and I'll leave it for other people to argue about.) Still, you seem to want lolicon banned, and people prosecuted for owning it, and I don't. You ask, What makes it worth defending? and the only answer I can give is this: Freedom to write, freedom to read, freedom to own material that you believe is worth defending means you're going to have to stand up for stuff you don't believe is worth defending, even stuff you find actively distasteful, because laws are big blunt instruments that do not differentiate between what you like and what you don't, because prosecutors are humans and bear grudges and fight for re-election, because one person's obscenity is another person's art.

Because if you don't stand up for the stuff you don't like, when they come for the stuff you do like, you've already lost.

This is a bit long. Apologies. I'd meant to talk about other things, but I started writing a reply this morning to the letter that follows

[ppk-database]

For the person asking, the info about anti-ship rhetoric has been fixed. However, I won't be answering questions sent in bad faith.