#13: Return of the âToxicâ Chloe Fans
The very first post I made on this blog (barring the introduction) was about Astrucâs uncomfortably strong feelings against Chloe and why sheâs supposedly âirredeemableâ.
Unsurprisingly, I wasnât the only one to hate this explanation that only wasted time on the show that could have easily been spent on literally anything else, like a story or character arc that actually goes anywhere. So the hashtag #JusticeForChloeB started up, and a few months after âGarbage Fireâ âMiracle Queenâ aired, Astruc found out and naturally had a few problems with some fans âharassingâ him.
Yes, there have been a lot of people who have sent negative messages to Astruc, insulting him and his family, and I have talked about that in some of my other posts. The thing is that a lot of the people Astruc replied to had relatively calm arguments, and refrained from personally insulting Astruc. Unfortunately, he still saw them the same way he sees the actual toxic people who attack him.
First off, I love how Astruc phrased that last tweet. âI know you all love a character that I created, but you donât have to be mean to me about it.â Same kind of humility that we all love about him.
Second, the disappointment that everyone felt when Chloe betrayed Ladybug is nothing like what Ladybug went through. The plot of the episode was so fast-paced, she didnât get any time to really scold Chloe for her actions other than a single line. If you wanted to show how crushing her betrayal was, have the characters actually react to it other than treating it like their kid stole a cookie before dinner.
In fact, I know this is like comparing Othello to Shrek: The Musical, but a good example of a show that really highlighted how painful a characterâs betrayal was is Avatar: The Last Airbender. Like Chloe, Zuko had gotten a fair share of episodes during the second season that made it seem like he was going to turn a new leaf. He was still conflicted, but it felt like he was still making progress. And much like how Hawkmoth manipulated Chloe to betray Ladybug and Cat Noir so she would recognize how great of a superhero she was, Azula manipulated Zuko to betray Aang and Iroh so he could finally reclaim his honor.
The difference? When Zuko betrayed the heroes, it had a far bigger impact on the characters and the audience.
We saw how disappointed Iroh was in his nephew, with just his look saying a thousand words, and because of his actions, Aang barely escaped with his life. Even in the next season, Zuko still felt conflicted about his choice, until he finally started to start anew and turn on his father.
Itâs fairly obvious that Chloe isnât going to do any kind of thinking like that next season, especially given how much Astruc has complained that people actually like her. Though it wouldnât surprise me if Astruc pulled a 180 and tried to redeem Chloe next season just to appease the fans while claiming that this was obviously part of his plan all along.
So Astruc continues to reply to anyone who simply acknowledges that they just wanted to see Chloe get better, or that heâs being a little rude to his followers, and sees them as the enemy.
I understand that there are people who are willing to personally attack Astruc, and those people go too far. The difference is that this has had a negative effect on him, causing him to see anyone who disagrees with him as âtoxicâ or âspammingâ.
There have also been people who have called out those who use the #JusticeForChloeB hashtag to attack Astruc, even if they still want Chloe to get redemption or not. Hell, one person tried to explain to Astruc that those people donât really represent what the point of the hashtag is. Guess how he responded?
Again, I know that there are toxic people who will attack Astruc for his creative decisions, but if he really wants to avoid all this scorn, all he needs to do is maybe not post on Twitter so much to argue with people who tweet him in the first place.
Anyway, we now return you to your regularly scheduled poor rebuttal.
Do you think youâll ever give us a citation on those surveys, Astruc? Believe it or not, itâs kind of hard to buy that a survey was made when you donât show the results of said survey other that saying âUh, yeah. These kids totally agree with what I believe inâ. Seriously, he sounds like one of those parents who posts online about things their kid didnât actually say just to get brownie points on social media.
And last, we have my personal favorite argument Astruc made on this thread.
Oh, so you donât like arguments made purely from someoneâs own judgment instead of citing the work to back up said argument, Astruc? Okay, good, I just wanted to be sure. Itâs a good thing youâve never done anything like that when responding to criticism, like that time you said a character design wasnât racist because you hired a Chinese actor to coach the rest of the voice cast without citing anything from the episode to explain your point.
Or that time you claimed that there was character development in your show based solely off of the fandomâs reaction to two specific characters without citing anything from the show to explain your point.
Or that time you brushed off someoneâs concerns that the comic based off your show might be racist because it had characters named Public Enemy and Ghetto Blaster in it without citing anything from said comic to explain your point.
Or that time you called fans sexist for wanting Adrien to get more focus while claiming that Ladybug was the leader without citing anything from the show to explain your point.
Itâs a good thing youâve always backed up your arguments without letting any of your personal judgment write your responses, Astruc.
But weâre not done with this user yet, as they continue their argument, poking holes in the showâs writing, all while being completely respectful to Astruc as a person.
How does Astruc respond? With another one of his go-to rebuttals.
If arguments like âYou donât understand what X represents.â or âChildren understand this according to this survey that may or may not have been conducted.â donât work, Astruc will simply break out the old âYou havenât seen the whole thing yet so you canât judge it!â argument.
People can still judge a story in progress or at least critique how itâs going so far. Even if a story ends, history can make its reputation even worse when people think about the way the story went.
When The Force Awakens came out, everyone loved it and were looking forward to seeing what  was alluded to in the sequels, like the mystery of Reyâs parents. After The Rise of Skywalker came out, many Star Wars fans, even those who liked the divisive entry, The Last Jedi, lambasted the entire sequel trilogy because of how pointless most of the plot threads set up went nowhere.
Maybe Chloe goes through some major development in Season 4, but again, given everything Astruc has said about her, I highly doubt it. This is just another excuse for him to brush off criticism, and it is just ridiculous, utterly ridiculous.
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