Hello! I was looking through your posts of Burr and Lafayette and I was wondering why you hate Monroe and Adams. Just curious since I don’t really know much about those two besides Alien and Sedition Acts for Adams and the Reynolds affair for Monroe. Have a nice day!
those are really good reasons you mentioned! now i could answer this question really quickly and just say that i hate straight white men who are too confident in their abilities that are, in reality, average. however, then i'd lose out on a great opportunity to complain, so here we go.
Your question prompted me to do some self-reflection: are these guys really that bad, or do I just find them annoying? I'm never annoyed for no reason, so after some knitting and watching House MD for the third time, I found myself asking a central question when determining if my dislike for Adams and Monroe was logically sound: did they actually do their jobs?
Monroe and Adams actually have a lot in common, even if one of them is kiki and the other is bouba. For example, they were both foreign diplomats and Presidents of the United States. A diplomat has the job of ensuring peaceful relations between to countries, or at least reaching an agreement both sides can live with. A President should attempt to utilize his executive powers to provide the greatest standard of living for the citizens as possible. I think we can all agree on that, right?
Source: Wikipedia: Bouba/Kiki Effect
Wrong, don't agree with that. It's entirely unrealistic, especially in the Early Republic of the United States. When the Constitution was being written, Britain was maintaining forts in the north that violated the Treaty of Versailles, France was revolutionizing, the Dutch were losing faith in the rest of the Western World, and the North African states were finding ways to exploit baby America's first steps away from Daddy Britain. How is a diplomat supposed to handle all of that? And as for the President, well New York is ashes, Philadelphia is all yellow and feverish (might be a word for that later), the South is already thinking of secession because they're that racist, and DC hasn't even been built yet. Standard of living isn't even a consideration when the country is literally falling apart.
So, with that in mind, I'm going to do something I never do: give these white men the benefit of the doubt. I'm going to redefine my definitions here: a diplomat's purpose is to set a positive precedent for the newly born country and the President's purpose is to keep the Union unified. Can we agree on that? With the background information and a grain of salt? Yes? Okay moving on, I'm going to roast John Adams on an open flame now.
John Adams- Ignorant, Self-obsessed, Meanie pie
Let's start with my least favorite country's least favorite country: France. John Adams was shipped off to France because Congress didn't know what else to do with him (or something like that, I don't know, I wasn't there) in the final years of the American Revolution. Now, John Adams had very bad taste because he was from Boston and was raised on Dunkin' Donuts, so he immediately hated everything about France- yes, even the bread. Don't worry, France hated him too, and showed it almost immediately.
Honestly, it was mostly his fellow Americans with whom he had the biggest problems (no shock there). The shock was that Adams hated Benjamin Franklin the most. Well, maybe hate is too strong a word, since they got along extremely well during the Second Continental Congress; however, these fuzzy feelings did not extend across the pond:
"He may be a Philosopher, for what I know, but he is not a sufficient Statesman, he knows too little of American Affairs or the Politicks of Europe, and takes too little Pains to inform himself of Either. He is too old, too infirm too indolent and dissipated, to be sufficient for the Discharge of all the important Duties of Ambassador, Secretary, Admiral... &c. &c. &c...each of which would be enough for the whole Time of the most active Man in the Vigour of Youth."
Source: Founders Online- John Adams to Thomas McKean, 20 September 1779
Instead of working this out with Franklin, approaching Congress with his concerns, or learning how to work with a different type of personality, Adams seemed to have taken his anger out on not only the other Americans present, but the foreign officers as well, reportedly having quite the tense relationship with the Comte de Vergennes, which wasn't hard to do, but still not good.
Source: Massachusetts Historical Society, Adams Papers, vol. 9
Though Adams cannot be singlehandedly faulted for the continued animosity between the United States and France that would eventually lead to much more infamous events, it laid the groundwork for continued controversies and diplomatic conflicts. The Comte de Vergennes was a powerful minister, and by losing his favor very quickly, Adams had put himself at odds with the conservative party then in charge of the French Court. Though the incoming democratics and Jacobins were not buddy-buddy with the conservatives, Adams' brash behavior being noted in the French records certainly did not leave an opening for the United States government to have favorable relations with the French Revolutionary government(s).
Now, I would get into Adams' experience as a diplomat to the Dutch Republic and Great Britain; however, it's basically the same story twice over. Adams mean, foreign representatives annoyed, William Pitt yapping- whatever, who cares. Here's a source or two to prove it happened.
Source: The National Archives- Eyewitness, "John Adams- Audience with King George III, 1785"; Nationaal Archief, Dutch-American Stories: Johnny goes Dutch
Along with Comte de Vergennes, William Pitt, and the Dutch Bros, John Adams added three more items to the List of Important People who Hate John Adams: Alexander Hamilton, Thomas Jefferson, and George Washington.
Note: I'm not going to talk about his falling out with Jefferson because who actually really cares. It was so petty and lame that it's genuinely hard to read about because it reminds me of the friend breakup I had in middle school. So, if you wanna know about it, read this and listen to The Subway by Chappell Roan.
For some reason, Adams thought that he might have a stake in the game against George Washington in the Election of 1788. Some will argue that he actually did, but given the fact that Washington had already been placed on the greatest pedestal in United States History, he had no chance. Thus, he was stuck with the role of Vice-President, which he described as such:
"But my Country has in its Wisdom contrived for me, the most insignificant Office that ever the Invention of Man contrived or his Imagination conceived: and as I can do neither good nor Evil, I must be born away by Others and meet the common Fate."
Source: Founders Online- John Adams to Abigail Adams, 19 December 1793
As you can imagine, this attitude didn't exactly make him Washington's favorite because he regularly made his opinion very well known. Hindsight being what it is, we've seen that Vice Presidents can be very influential (ie. JFK's death being totally caused by his VP, Burr being cuntier than Jefferson, etc.) However, it was due to Adams' continued burning bridges and self-victimization that he was unable to define the role of Vice President as being significant.
This is where the problem arises with John Adams. When he feels unappreciated or when controversy arises, he has a tendency to take a black and white perspective of the issue: it's them versus him.
This is a common phenomenon with individuals in the public eye. For example, take our current president, who, upon successfully enacting a ban on TikTok in 2025 (which he and his supporters previously endorsed in 2020), stated this:
"...Crooked Joe Biden is responsible for banning TikTok... doing it to help his friends over at Facebook become richer and more dominant, and able to fight, perhaps illegally, the Republican Party... he is destroying our Country, and is a MAJOR THREAT TO DEMOCRACY!" -Donald Trump
Source: X, qtd. Alan Rappeport 22 April 2024; The New York Times- "How Donald Trump Went From Backing a TikTok Ban to Backing Off"
In a similar vein, referring to the early Democratic Republican party, John Adams said this, "I know not how it is: but in proportion as dangers threaten the Public, I grow calm. I am very apprehensive that a desperate Antifœderal Party, will provoke all Europe by their Insolence."
Source: Founders Online- John Adams to Abigail Adams, 19 December 1793
These quotations have a few things in common: 1) a specific target (in Trump's case, it's his opponent Joe Biden; in Adams', it's his opposing party led by political enemy, Thomas Jefferson); 2) an allegation of wrong doing (T: banning TikTok which serves as a form of news to the younger generation and illegally fighting the Republican Party; A: provoking Europe, which at the time could mean war); 3) hypocrisy (T: he sought to ban TikTok four years prior, portraying it as a public security threat; A: he had caused more tension with Europe than Jefferson or others ever had, having directly offended them rather than just doing nothing as the DR party had).
Now, this is a particular effect that has lasted as long as we've had leaders in society, but it has been emphasized by the two-party system in the United States. Though Trump can be blamed for a lot, he didn't set that system up- Adams did. Because of that, and my outstanding sense of humor, I've started to call this effect John-Adamsification.
Speaking of! John-Adamsification is accompanied not only with projection of one's mistakes onto the enemy, but also with random and baseless lies against the opposition. Though Hamilton did many things wrong, and wrote many pamphlets, he did not plot a coup d'etat against Washington through publication. Like seriously, who in their right mind would even suggest that? It would be completely insane to think Hamilton would attempt to destroy the man who he relied on-
"You inquire what passed between W[ashington] and Hamilton at York Town. Washington had ordered or was about to order another officer to take the command of the attack upon the redoubt. Hamilton flew into a violent passion and demand the command of the party for himself and declared if he had it not, he would expose General Washington's conduct in a pamphlet."
Source: Gilder Lehrman Institute, John Adams to Benjamin Rush, 1805*
*This was the only online source I could find for this since I was on the road while writing this, so the website is a little sketchy but the quote is direct!
Well!
In case you had any doubts about the fact that this is, in historical terms, Fucking Bullshit, here's what Hamilton did have to say when he hated Washington the most.
The General ⟨is a very honest⟩ man. His competitors ⟨have slender⟩ talents abilities and less hone⟨sty integ⟨rity⟩. His popularity⟩ has often ⟨been essential to the safety of America, and is still of great importance to it. These considerations have influenced my past conduct respecting him, and will influence my future. I think it is necessary he should be supported.
Source: Founders Online- "Alexander Hamilton to Philip Schuyler, 18 February 1781" *Hamilton removed and added a lot of words*
Note: there is no documentation about the interaction Adams is talking about even happening. the closest thing I can think of is when Lafayette's aide-de-camp was considered for Hamilton's position at Yorktown, but Hamilton requested it be shifted to his detachment, arguing seniority, and the aide was given a different role, and it was settled peaceably.
So yeah, I have no clue why Adams said that other than the fact that he wanted to make Hamilton look bad. Posthumously, mind you!
I'm not done. Even though Adams' allegations against Hamilton weren't true, no one fucking likes Hamilton, so Adams was voted in as the Federalist second president (get hype). You mentioned the Alien and Sedition Acts so I'm not going to cite those as a reason (though they definitely are), but I will mention them as part of a larger story I'm telling here.
The Alien and Sedition Acts were passed by Adams because his self-induced paranoia (tbf it was made worse by political tensions) told him that the French were invading the country and telling the American people to violently overthrow the government. This was a pervasive belief among the Federalist party, encouraged by a loud minority of radical French revolutionaries seeking refuge in the United States, but Adams put it into an Executive Order. This belief is inexplicably tied to Adams' negative experience in France, as well as his belief that "men could never be governed but by force." ...Hot take, Johnny.
Source: Founders Online- Notes on John Adams and the French Revolution, 15 January 1793
Well, let's say you're a Federalist/Royalist reading this. You might say, "Erm, publius, Citizen Genet was actively encouraging a US uprising against the government and the French Revolution was very bad! John Adams' opinion on it doesn't mean he was a bad president :("
Ok fine. I'll focus on domestic issues then.
We've already established that Adams didn't like the Democratic Republicans, and he certainly didn't like the big one: Jefferson. Unfortunately for our rotund Bostonian, Jefferson cut his administration off at one term and inherited the newly constructed White House. Womp womp.
What was Johnny to do? Let power peacefully transfer to the other party, setting a beautiful precedent that showed the function of the parties was not to divide the country, but to represent different groups of people within it?
Fuck no!! He started tampering with shit, specifically by replacing the federal judges that didn't like him with those that did at the very last minute, rushing poor, boring little John Marshall to get their commissions out, which even led to one of them never properly receiving it. All of this hassle, just to inconvenience Jefferson when he came into office. This created a historical precedent (obviously) for division and hostility between the two parties.
Source: Federal Judicial Center- "The Midnight Judges"
WE'RE NOT DONE WITH THE FRENCH!!! All of the aforementioned fighting with the French and their supporters in the United States culminated in the Quasi War at the end of Adams' presidency.
The Quasi War was entirely unnecessary. The United States did not gain anything material or even symbolic from this conflict, since its naval supremacy was questioned the same year that the Treaty of Mortefontaine ended the war (1801, with the start of the Barbary Wars). Although it provided the US Navy with a stage for its major launch, the Navy suffered greatly from a lack of organization that extended all the way up to the Executive in Adams' cabinet. The cost of not only the war, but also the problems caused by the disorganization, made it a greater loss for the United States than the young nation could afford. Thanks, John.
Source: Six Frigates: The Epic History of the Founding of the U.S. Navy by Ian W. Toll (with particular interest in James McHenry's service as Secretary of War, p. 98); The USS Constitution Museum- "The Quasi-War with France (1798 – 1801)" btw I've been to this museum and it is an absolute MUST if you're ever visiting Boston :)
So, it's up to you to make of this what you think, but here's my conclusion: John Adams did not set a positive precedent nor did he encourage the unification of the country. As a diplomat, he stirred discontent in foreign nations which would later cost the nation in the form of an unnecessary and expensive war. As president, he furthered party and sub-party divisions by being aggressive, petty, and self serving in his executive actions. Therefore, he was a bad diplomat and a bad president and I don’t like him or his koala ass haircut.
Okay, so that was pretty long. For the sake of my sanity and yours, I’ll be doing Monroe’s part in a reblog of this post! Also, sorry for the wait. I’ve already posted this but I’d like to reiterate my apology and let y’all know about the other things I’m doing at the moment. I’ve mentioned that I am a Freshman at Hamilton in college, and I’m now an Admissions intern as well as working towards a study abroad program in France, as well as starting my major in history. I’m still going to be posting on here and existing in other amrev/history spaces online, but i’ll be more popping in and out. One thing about them letting me into a prestigious institution is that I now have access to Hamilton’s archives! So please, keep the questions coming. I also am still working on that Alexander Hamilton post for my #do it for richie 💪 series, so I’ll be working on that and the frev project I started a few years ago. If I manage to complete that, I’ll then go into some more niche studies of the amrev. Though asks are definitely my favorite, so pls pls pls ask your questions!! Love ya












