LMFAO PLS THIS IS TOO MUCH. on top of everything that this is, a millionaire reading off, stonefaced, these horrific urls and then everyone still going “oh my god hes so dangerous for this” with absolutely not a single eye batted at the elephant that is near-bursting with pornography in the room
Lmao, this tracks with the communal persecution-complex:
"The context for this is that, allegedly, this guy allowed (at least) 30-50 alpacas that were in his care to die. He claims to have been visited by the police for animal neglect."
reposted from this thread on this kinda "DARVO" rhetorical tactic. (warning for discussions of pedophilia, sexual assault, abuse, etc. very very triggering to some.)
Why is it that binding is considered totally cool and normal and celebrated but the same attention is not placed on guys concealing their dicks or tucking?
Girls feel the need to chest bind but a dude can call his junk a "girldick" and expect everyone to accept it as such. Womens' breasts don't automatically become "dude boobs" but "lady cock" is valid?
It's almost as if mens' bodies are inherently more accepted in their natural state than womens' are. It's almost as if misogyny exists regardless of what gender you imagine yourself to be.
Jacob has just turned 16 and for the past four years the teenager’s body has been put on pause. He has been on hormone blockers to stop puberty while he decides how far he is willing to go to...
I want to thank Jacob for his enormous bravery in speaking out publicly about how the “puberty blocker” (GnRH agonist) protocol and the medicalization of his identity affected him as a struggling trans teenager.
I want to note before I share the article that stories like Jacob’s are being politicized by groups like Mermaids (the primary transgender child lobbying organization in the UK) to claim that while “blockers” are “safe” and “reversible” and ought to be immediately provided to trans children who are beginning puberty, that any problems with GnRH agonists indicates that clinicians should begin cross-sex hormone treatment early. Organizations such as Mermaids and various other groups in the US frequently claim that there ought to be no formal lower age bound for the initiation of cross-sex HRT (i.e. testosterone for female children, estrogen and an anti-androgen drug for male children) and Johanna Olson-Kennedy (a pediatric gender “expert” and head of the gender clinic at Children’s Hospital Los Angeles) advocates regularly for female children to receive testosterone at twelve and has possibly given children as young as 8 testosterone treatment.
So in sharing this kid’s story, I want to be careful, since there is a real danger that exposing the harms of using GnRH agonists such as Lupron on gender-variant children will lead to a change in strategy where these children are merely dosed early with cross-sex hormones, a protocol that to my knowledge that we have zero long-term data on. (Children are given GnRH agonists as a means to halt precocious puberty, and in fact, these drugs are approved for this purpose, so we have some data on their effects already. As far as I know, there has been no previous medical reason to give female children testosterone or male children anti-androgens and estrogen.)
The article is behind a paywall but I am transcribing it here:
Puberty blocking drugs: ‘For the past four years I’ve been stuck as a child’
Jacob has just turned 16 and for the past four years the teenager’s body has been put on pause. He has been on hormone blockers to stop puberty while he decides how far he is willing to go to become a transgender man.
He claims that taking blockers was “the worst decision I’ve ever made”.
Jacob was born a girl but felt unhappy with his gender. “I always felt so weak and pathetic and inferior to the men.” He started using the male pronoun and imagined himself growing up and “dating a woman”.
When Jacob became one of thousands of young adolescents to be referred for puberty blockers by the NHS’s main gender clinic for children he was delighted. “It was sold to me as a miracle cure for being trans,” he claimed. He told another trans school friend about them, who started requesting blockers too.
Hormone blockers are only licensed in Britain to delay the onset of puberty for children suffering “precocious puberty” — that is, those who start developing abnormally early before the age of eight or nine.
However, their use is promoted by the transgender campaign group Mermaids as a way of giving young people “a pause button” while deciding whether to graduate to the irreversible, cross-sex hormones that will trigger the life-changing, fertility-reducing jump from one gender to another, once they reach 16. The vast majority of children who begin blockers go on to take that step.
Blockers are physically reversible, insofar as puberty will eventually restart once someone stops taking them. But no one — not even the directors of the country’s leading gender clinic, the Tavistock’s Gender Identity Development Service [GIDS] — knows their long-term impact, for example, on the teenage brain.
After just a few consultations at the Tavistock, Jacob was referred to the endocrinology clinic at University College London Hospitals [UCLH]. He claimed the clinic did not consider his background, such as the trauma of a sexual assault at primary school, or his parents’ difficult divorce. He and his mother were soon making regular visits to London from their small village in the west of England for the injections.
“They promise you that your breasts will disappear, that your voice will be deeper, that I would look and sound more like a boy. For me, that was the best thing that could have happened,” he said.
Only, Jacob found that wasn’t what happened at all. Far from becoming one of the lads, as he’d hoped, he felt even more alienated from them as their physiques changed and Jacob’s remained the same.
“At school, other people were maturing into adults. The guys I grew up with were growing hair and growing up. For someone who’s trying to fit in as a boy, that’s not what you want.”
Jacob had always been the tallest among his friends. Now he was the shortest. When his little brother overtook him in height and strength, he found it too upsetting to be in the same room as him.
“My little brother is 18 months younger and now he has completely outgrown me. I go to school and I feel like other people are developing and I still feel like a child,” he said.
Jacob also claims he was not warned about the side-effects of the drugs.
These have included insomnia, exhaustion, fatigue, low moods, rapid weight gain which caused his skin to become covered with angry, itchy stretch marks, and a reduction in bone density. “I’d never broken a bone before [taking puberty blockers],” he says. “I’ve since broken four bones.”
“I stubbed my toe, it broke. I fell over, my wrist broke. Same with my elbow.”
As he took the blockers, Jacob’s mother watched her child become even more introverted and body-conscious. “The blockers contributed more to the self-image problems that were already there,” she said.
Jacob found it increasingly difficult to concentrate on schoolwork. If sitting GSCEs is hard enough with raging hormones, it’s even harder without them, he said. “I’m someone with the developing mind of a 12-year-old who’s doing exams designed for a 16-year-old.”
He added: “The worst part was probably the depression. There were moments when I wanted everything to stop. Weight gain and depression — for someone who is already self-conscious about their body, that’s a lethal combination.”
Clinicians who resigned from GIDS for ethical reasons said one of their main concerns was that young people were being sent down a medical pathway without proper exploration of the possibility they may simply be gay.
Jacob is no closer to understanding who he may be attracted to at 16 as he was at 12. “My friends are all talking about having sex and girlfriends, and going to prom… but I’ve never had a crush. I’ve never felt sexual attraction to anyone. I feel so out of place.”
In hindsight, Jacob finds it surprising how little his background — and the reasons why he didn’t want to be a girl — were discussed before being referred for treatment.
“They didn’t even look at my history or trauma,” claimed Jacob. “They sent a child whose circumstances and feelings they didn’t understand [for hormone treatment].”
Jacob is speaking out about his experience to warn other transgender youngsters to think twice before starting blockers.
“I was sold a miracle cure. They promised happiness with little evidence behind it. Then four years in, you realise, oh my God, I’ve no idea about the long-term effects.“
“They asked a 12-year-old to make a decision an adult would struggle with.”
“It was like, ‘here are the drugs’ and off we went. It’s a ridiculous process. It’s not gone the way they told me it was going to go.”
Mermaids, the transgender lobby group, claims that puberty blockers are safe and “completely reversible” and that not giving them to youngsters who request them can be more damaging than prescribing them.
Gendered Intelligence, another trans campaign group, claims on its website that hormone blockers give children “breathing space to ensure that they are sure about the permanent effects of cross-sex hormones, without the adverse effects of an incorrect puberty.”
Jacob is scathing about such claims. “Breathing space! It really isn’t. I’ve not had any space to breathe the last four years.“
“They sell it to you as a break from feeling like a girl, and that’s fine for the first few months but as soon as everyone else around you starts developing it becomes ‘spot the transgender kid’, which is so easy because you’re stuck as a child.“
“If anything, I’ve been more depressed than before. My thyroid is messed up. I’m hungry all the time. I have no idea how my breast tissue will develop.”
He claimed: “They push and push you on to this one-way train you’re not allowed off.”
Asked whether it was misleading to promote puberty blockers as a “pause button”, a spokesman for Mermaids said: “Mermaids cannot comment on clinical cases as we are not involved in any individuals’ medical pathways.”
“We offer young people and their families information, support and access to others in similar circumstances.”
Gendered Intelligence declined to respond.
Jacob claims the main focus of his treatment at the Tavistock was on the milestones of transition — “how far you’re willing to go” — rather than discussion of the consequences.
He claims: “My Tavistock worker was saying to me, ‘once you have the testosterone, you’ll be a boy’.
“But it shouldn’t be about milestones. Being trans is how you think; it should not be about how far down the line you’re will to go.”
A spokesman for Tavistock said: “All young people considering the puberty blocker or cross-sex hormones are repeatedly made aware of the known potential impacts of these medical interventions… as well as the areas of impact that remain to some extent unknown.“
“The information that we give patients about the blockers makes it clear that they may get tired and experience low mood. We explain to young people that hormones give us energy and drive, not just our sex drive but our overall ‘get up and go’.
“We also emphasised to them routinely that while on the blocker they would stay early puberty whilst their peers developed. This is a routine part of the discussion.“
“In the end the decision to go on blockers is a balancing act weighing up these factors against the perceived distress of undergoing puberty in the ‘wrong’ gender and developing unwanted and potential hard to change secondary sexual characteristics.”
Jacob decided to come off the drugs on turning 16. He began to feel the benefits almost overnight.
“I grew taller, I lost weight, I felt livelier. It was like getting the poison out of my system,” he said. He will now wait until reaching 18 before making any big decisions.“I’m just fed up with all of it. I’ve felt like a guinea pig from day one. [Blockers] only made my life more complicated and it was pretty complicated already.”
He added: “I’ll be 18 in two years, but for the past four years I’ve been stuck as a child. Blockers took away the chance I had to grow up with other kids. Now I want to give my body a break.”
I’ve never seen anyone talk about this aspect. I’m only 17, but after being on puberty blockers for a few years and having started puberty late, I feel like I’m stuck in a child’s body. I go to uni, I have a job, I have semi-adult responsibilities, but my physical and emotional growth was frozen for years. The whole time I took Lupron I never experienced any sexual attraction, and only now that I’ve stopped have I been able to discover that I was a lesbian.
I don’t know if any of my problems are due to it, but it definitely didn’t help me. Once I got my blockers and testosterone scripts, I was no longer able to obsess over them, and that void was filled by an eating disorder. The last few years have been filled with increasing mental illness. The day after my first testosterone shot, I was in hospital for self harm. I justified holding on to my self hatred because I blamed it on dysphoria- and you’re not allowed to challenge dysphoria, because “it’s just a part of your self”.
I am autistic so my social skills aren’t the best anyway, but I avoided so many people and situations and opportunities while I was trans identified that I’m so mentally and emotionally underdeveloped, I just feel like a child thrown in to the deep end of life.
I thought it was the only thing that could make me feel better. I thought my body was the problem and that nothing could be okay without changing it. But I was just clinging onto that as a solution for my mental illness, because it’s so hard to accept that maybe there’s no way to make it better.
People tell me I should have thought more, that it’s my fault for being too impulsive, even though it was 2 years from identifying as trans to actually getting blockers.
It wasn’t my fault. I was 14. I was just a kid. I shouldn’t have been able to make that decision.
And now, still, I’m stuck being just a kid, because of what I was allowed to do in early teenage-hood. It was not my fault.
I want to thank you for speaking about this because it’s rare to hear from people who have actually been on puberty blocking medications for any length of time. I think a lot of us who are dysphoric really feel “stuck” and underdeveloped in a lot of ways– my detransitioned girlfriend, who started passing in her late teens and began her transition in her early twenties, often feels like she has no idea how to live as an adult woman, and I, although I never transitioned, never developed a coherent gender or sexual self-concept until I was in my late twenties and still feel completely lost in how to navigate a social reality most people begin learning about when they’re twelve– but there is something extremely pernicious about this “frozen”, “feral”, “undeveloped” kind of state being formally medicalized in this way. You were just a kid, and you still are, and I’m sorry that this is what people around you thought you were worth when you were struggling with growing into a world full of people and what that means for you.
I’m frankly startled at how aware you and Jacob from the story are about what is going on (I certainly wasn’t at your age) and while I think that’s a good thing it’s got to be excruciating. Do you know of anybody else who has had a similar experience to you, are you talking with others? I hope you all can find each other and work things out. This is such a unique and scary experience that an older cohort of detransitioned and similar-type trans-experience people has not really had to deal with. (Anyone else with similar experiences can feel free to use the notes of this post to find each other, if you aren’t already connected.)
Im so glad to see this being talked about, because this is exactly how I feel about what happened to me, and I’ve felt so alone in this situation. Im 16, I got my puberty blocker implant at 12 years old, and the implant is still in my arm. I don’t know what it actually is to be honest, I’m praying it isn’t lupron but they never told me. The doctor said it was 100% reversible and caused no negative effects, but as I’ve read more about the subject I’m terrified for the future, and I’m going to try to get it out as soon as I can.
All of the negative effects mentioned in the article are absolutely true- insomnia. depression, weight gain, fatigue, etc. and I’ve noticed it. I feel disgusted with myself for doing this to myself, but also disgusted that they’re doing this to young children, blatantly lying to us about the effects. I’ve been on them for so many years I forgot what it feels like to just be normal. I don’t relate to any of my peers, male or female, and I haven’t had a crush on anyone since 6th grade.
I wish I had been given any other option, any type of therapy to deal with my dysphoria. I wish that the first message impressionable 12 year old me got when I told my therapist I fucking hated my body wasn’t “Obviously you’re really a man! Surgically altering your body is the only way to fix yourself or you’re going to kill yourself eventually!” But as long as trans activists keep pushing to streamline kids into the medical process of transition as fast as possible, this shit is gonna keep happening.
Anyway.. to the people in this thread who had similar experiences to me, if you wanna talk I’m always open. We don’t need to be silent just because sharing our reality isn’t convenient for people supporting trans medicalization
It looks like there are several different drugs delivered in implant form. One is the same drug as Lupron (leuprolide or leuprorelin acetate, the implant name is trademarked under the name Viadur) and the other is called histrelin acetate (brand name Vantas or Supprelin LA for the implant). Goserelin is also used as an implant but it looks like they’re in pellet form and provided short term, and I don’t think it’s commonly used in pediatric transition medicine in implant form (it’s typically provided as injections). The leuprolide implant and the histrelin implant seem to be very similar so I don’t think you would be able to tell without access to your medical records. If the doctor you went to has an online portal for making appointments and seeing your appointment records then it’s very easy to get a hold of your medical history and records– see if you can set one up or get access to it somehow.
I’m not sure why it’s still in your body because the implant’s intended to last only one year. Did they replace it ever? If not that’s not even standard practice to just leave it floating around in there, and I would probably seek to have it removed no matter what.
I’m sorry to hear you went through this. Keep talking, don’t let anyone silence you.
Why do anti radfems so strongly try to convince themselves and others that all radfems are wealthy white straight women?? I just saw a comment that said radfems 'gatekeep' womanhood because being a woman is the ONLY hardship they've ever experienced and they want to pretend to be victims. It doesn't even matter if sexism is the only bad thing a woman has experienced in her life, men still aren't women and pretending they are is insulting to all women.
It’s because anti-radfems are obsessed with trying to convince everyone that we’re irrational monsters. It makes it so much easier to justify silencing us. If an oppressed person is speaking, you should probably listen, so the goal is to make us seem like privileged harpies that have nothing better to do than hate on poor innocent trans women.
Seeing other women in their natural body state, i.e. with their body hair intact, shouldn't make you anxious and stressed. If body hair growing on other women gives you "dysphoria", get the fuck off the interent and go see a therapist.
yeah idk if any of u watch among us streamers but Imane Pokimane who is a huge streamer is a striaght up terf….also im p sure there are videos of her saying the n word…
She did say the n word. Creating female only spaces is a wonderful and deeply important thing BUT racism needs to be entirely unacceptable in these spaces (and, of course, everywhere else). It was a long time ago and she’s since apologized, but that doesn’t excuse it and it shouldn’t be ignored/ written off.
All women need safe spaces away from males… but there should be no safe spaces for racism??Because women of color need safe spaces from racists AND males and shouldn’t have to deal with racism in their safe spaces. Women of color are women. Literally what are you talking about? No one is saying that racist women deserve male violence, because misogyny isn’t a valid punishment for racism, but women of color deserve safe spaces from both racism and misogyny… Soooo why would you say this? Any time you say shit like this you’re basically saying women of color don’t fucking matter to you and shouldn’t be included as women and shouldn’t be taken into consideration in safe spaces for women. Think before you speak what the fuck
millennials be acting like they’re the wokest generation and then they be single handedly regressing decades of progressive discourse about women’s and gay rights
quick question. since i’m planning on getting bottom and top surgery, what would you even consider me as? i won’t have a vagina and i’ll be a man and gay as all hell. so like whatchu gonna do then?
“whatchu gonna do then” feel bad for you for going through an invasive surgery that will permanently alter your body but never give you the results you want lol
