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[chaifootsteps]

Honestly, after all this HH/HB shit is said and done, I kinda hope you try and finish the httyd nine realms series. Mostly because I like your sense of humor, but also because it got so ridiculously bad I'm not even joking

Trust me, I followed it close enough to know that I didn't want to sit down and watch it end to end. That last episode in particular assured me that I was right to never say anything nice about it.

[madamefeu]

I’m gonna say it, Stolas doesn’t love Blitzø, he’s obsessed with him. He enjoys the fantasy of a royal having a secret affair with a commoner, and he feels entitled to engage in this fantasy as and when he pleases without consequences. He knows that he makes Blitzø uncomfortable, and that he doesn’t really want to sleep with him, but he feels entitled to his body and his company anyway. And when he does the bare minimum and gives Blitzø a way out of their fucked up deal, he immediately feels entitled to Blitzø’s love. When his fantasy of being swept away by his ‘true commoner love’ is shattered by the reality that Blitzø doesn’t love him, he has the nerve to cry and play the victim, and act like Blitzø is a bad person for not loving him when all he has ever done is fetishise him for his race and sexually abuse him. Stolas thinks that he deserves Blitzø when he has done nothing to deserve him.

[ihopesocomic]

I don't think people realize that the way they talk about abuse victims in fiction also hurts victims irl :(

They ought to realize this. People's words have meaning. But too many people cry "fiction doesn't affect reality" when that kind of thinking is obviously not always applicable. (I don't need to give examples, if people can't understand the nuance then I can't help you.) You'd think people would think before they speak because everyone else has figured it out, but alas. I'm just glad for the people for already felt for Careful's (or anyone's) situation. Because that tells me they would feel the same for a human person in a similar situation. - Cat

[the-ghost-rat]

Not me seeing a HH/HB fan tagging those shows under a tik tok laughing at homophobes loving a gay character 💀

No jessica the show having some bi n gay characters doesnt mean homophobes wont love it-the show litrealy threw chaggie, its only shappic couple, to the garbage in favour of focusing on a man

Its a gay show made for straight people

[bbloop-bl00p-deactivated2025030]

In defense of Octavia

TW: Lots of Trauma Dumping, Mention of abuse

She’s been wronged way too many times in this fandom for some reason. Look at her vibing, how can you hate her?

I’m a fan of Helluva Boss, mainly because of its potential but the quality dropped dead in the second season. We’re gonna talk about a character I’ve seen other fans misinterpreting in favor of the so-great Prince Stolass.

I want to talk about her mainly because I do what I want and because after studying her character I just realized that she’s just like me. Especially regarding her relationship with her father, I see myself in my younger years.

All of that to say…

She has all the right to feel abandoned.

Octavia obliviously has a stronger bond with her father, it shows in her behavior and little background details

When she wants to draw her family, she draws her and Stolas, we mostly see her being happy with him which leads me to think that she’s emotionally neglected by Stella. To her, Octavia is just an ‘egg’ that fell off her and she doesn't care about the impact killing Stolas could have on her daughter.

Despite being emotionally absent, Stella has a much more physical presence than Stolas. Most of the time Stolas is alone in his castle which leads me to think that Octavia is somewhere else with Stella. They did mention the two went on a weekend somewhere. This leads us to this question…

How can Octavia feel more close to her father?

Here’s the thing, I see a lot of my family dynamic here. My mom doesn’t pay attention to me at all, she doesn't want me to bother her and she makes it clear. My dad, however, who’s absent like 90% of the time, always tried to spare time with me. He explained to me that he was working and why he was doing all of this (I was like barely ten) but it never prevented him from trying to play with me, sharing his hobbies, going on a walk, and else.

He was there emotionally and, as a kid who was bullied, had no friends at all, and a mother who didn't give a damn, I cherished this relationship.

I believe the exact same thing happened with Octavia, we never see her with friends or even outside the castle, she’s isolated. Stolas has Prince duties, we’ve seen him carry them in the shows, hence why he’s mostly absent leaving her with her mother. But, at least when she was a kid, he tried to do stuff bringing her to Loo-Loo Land or being the one to comfort her. That is why she clings to her father, he’s the only one who actually shows her love and she’s terrified of losing that.

Regarding her mother, Stella obliviously doesn't care about her so the feeling is reciprocated. From a narrative standpoint, Stella is an unpredictable force of nature getting angry for pretty much anything that doesn't go her way. So Octativa learned to not cross her mother's path.

I know this expression, this is the “Oh fuck… they’re at it again?” she’s used to her mother's constant screaming, she's used to her parents fighting.

She did say they were a time when a parent didn't hate each other, which to me refers to the time when Stolas tanked Stella’s abuse. But, that doesn’t mean that Stella wasn't abusing him in front of a younger Octavia, she’s erratic and they did imply that she can get physical in her toxic behavior. Since Stella was passive, it was probably mostly harmful comments.

Putting personal things here, my mom was also very abusive to my older sibling. Since I was extremely young I learned not to ‘be a burden’ to avoid being abused as well, which includes things like not talking to her unless she does it first. Whether Octavia is aware of the physical abuse or not, she must know enough to know that it’s a bad idea to annoy Stella.

This is the only picture where we see her seemingly having a good relationship with Stolas, which to me feels like she’s faking it considering all we know about the family.

She has a pretty shitty household but her relationship with her father make it bearable until Stolas did a 180°

He randomly started to prioritize Blitz and don’t spill me the bullshit of ‘he’s trying’ he stopped trying long ago.

Let’s analyze this episode by episode:

In Loo Loo Land, Stolas seemingly tries to rebuild a visibly strained relationship with his daughter by bringing her to a park she liked when she was a kid. To this, she immediately responds with an “I’m not 5 anymore.” and an “I rather kill myself.” There’s no room for miscommunication, she doesn't want to go there, and she won’t enjoy it as much as she did back then. Still, he decides to go there, showing that he doesn't listen, and, he brings the one the thing that is currently ruining his already horrible marriage because of his own actions. Blitzø.

He’s trying to spend time with his daughter after a long time (this is mentioned in the episode) and he decides to bring in that one guy he’s hooking up with to deliberately make sexual remarks about him in front of her.

She’s uncomfortable the whole time, not just because she allegedly doesn’t like listening to her father's comments but because she doesn't like the park. She said it, yet Stolas doesn't acknowledge it, he doesn't realize the faces she makes which are to me pretty communicative of her annoyance and discomfort.

This is not even subtle body language, yet he only notices it when she runs off. The worst part is that he still finds a way to think about Blitzø when his daughter leaves.

He looked upset that Blitzø didn't follow him! Did he expect that guy to pursue him constantly? He was in the middle of an argument with his daughter, I personally would have stepped away to give them space to talk and reconcile. But no, apparently Blitzø should be at his beck and call all the time.

But you know what, after all of this. He still apologized. That absolutely does not negate everything he did during the day but, at the end of it, he finally listened to her and even brought her to a place she actually wanted to be. Which is good, he acknowledged her discomfort and did something she liked.

Until Seeing Star.

Look I know Stolas was busy with Stella but he clearly doesn't care about her and her stuff.

Don’t tell me he couldn’t pinpoint Stella’s location with magic and teleport all of her belongings to her. Their discussion was barely about the furniture, he could have said that they were gonna be delivered and hung up the second he saw Octavia. Arguing with Stella is pointless, he’s the number one guy that should know that! Why does he continue to insult her, he’s just fuelling the fire!

Moving out her belongings would have been 10 times faster if he just hung up the phone, then he could have had a more mindful talk with Octavia without the constant bickering of his ex-wife.

But he didn't for some reason, fair enough, I guess. The writers do whatever they want. Anyway, Octavia got angry and ran to go see the stars on her own.

So, Stolas’ castle is in Pride but my point still stands, Octavia had the time to run from home and make the way all from her father's place to the city, find the specific building Blitzø held his organization in and Stolas didn't notice a thing.

You cannot tell me Stella managed to get his attention for that long AND you cannot tell me that his castle is close to the shitty disaffected building and the populace. His daughter ran off and he did not notice a thing.

Not only that but he has the nerve of blaming Blitzø for not watching the book. Like, dude! You should have watched your daughter instead!

Then he spills out more bullshit.

I don’t know Stolas, how could you possibly find her when you were shown to have countless abilities to do so?

Like bubbles projecting the image and locations of people.

Or that on time when you possessed corpses and one woman just to go full eldritch monstrosity just for one that one guy you’re cheating your wife with. And don’t whine about “They don’t love each other.” it’s still affecting his family, mainly his daughter so it’s still bad.

Of course, you do all of that without your grimoire without any problem, brushing it off with a…

I guess he forgot his ‘ways’ when it came to Octavia. But honestly, Loona literally found her easily just by looking at her Instagram account, couldn't he just call her or something? The girl had her phone the whole time and he didn't just think of calling her.

Me when I forget that I have teleportation power when I am in an enclosed space with nobody is looking.

You’re certainly not worrying right now. Via literally told him to his face that she was scared and he kept flirting with him even though he once again caused her to run away because of his neglect.

He’s not trying his best, THIS IS NOT TRYING!

No Loona, his daughter communicated very clearly issues related to their relationship, rather than reassuring her and being there for her as much as it’s realistically possible (he still has duties to carry), he gets in an avoidable petty fight with his ex and keeps an unhealthy dynamics with an imp he's been obsessing over. He doesn't focus, his priorities aren’t straight, and now Octavia feels abandoned.

I did mention that I had a good relationship with my father back then, but it stopped abruptly. His focus changed and he went out with friends after work and gradually stopped spending time with me. Until we never spent time together again, (to give you an idea the only moment where I could see him was in the morning for breakfast) now that can sound silly but I was a child, with no friends and a neglectful mom, losing the only good thing I had in life broke me. I knew his schedule, I knew he was spending time with work buddies and that just stung my self-esteem even more leaving me feeling like a burden when I was just a kid who wanted to feel love.

This is why I don’t like the “He’s trying.” I know what a trying struggling parent looks like and I know what happens when they stop. If you keep trying to do something and you’re constantly failing, either your technique isn’t the right one or you’re not and you’re convincing yourself you are.

And then there are people that’ll tell me that “He lived through the abuse of Stella for years for her.”

If you read all of this then I don’t feel like I need to explain how Octavia was at least partially exposed to Stella's toxic behavior and was affected by it.

For those who don’t know how it feels to live with an erratic mood-swinging person, it’s pure constant stress. You have to think constantly before you talk or move because you know that if you fuck up you’re gonna pay the price. And if you still eventually mess up you can never know with these types of people! You can’t defend yourself because the punishment will be far worse. You are ALWAYS in the wrong.

So he lived through the abuse of Stella just so his daughter could get neglected and abused in a less physical way?

The difference between my parents and Octavia is that they love each other. Stolas doesn't give a damn about Stella, he did say he was nice at first because he empathized with her they were in this shitty situation together, and fine, it's reasonable. But she never changed! Stella stayed the same! Why didn’t he leave her when he stopped carrying about her?! There’s no trauma bounding, Stella isn’t guilt-tripping or manipulating him, they got the child he could have divorced her easily without consequences! If anything, she’s the losing part of this divorce she’s lower in the hierarchy! “Andreaphul will get angry.” HE’S A MARQUIS! Hierarchically speaking Stolas is far more important and he mopes the floor with his peacock ass!

Am I supposed to be empathetic with that one dude who willingly let his daughter grow up in a hyper-toxic environment with an emotionally neglectful and unpredictable wife?! Am I supposed to believe he cares when he kept sleeping in his house in his bed with the same guy his daughter clearly is worried he’s going to leave her with?! Really?!

Don’t ever tell me that this is trying.

[ihopesocomic]

Okay I wasn't going to reply to this because the topic is old and the sentiment confounded me. (for those who don't know, the initial conversation was about people who are sexist are usually not far away from also being racist/transphobic/etc) But I think because of that I'm going to say something anyway. If they're a straight woman or a gay man, they can absolutely be sexist towards women. Thinking otherwise is ridiculous.

That's like arguing that it's not weird to only have cis white gay characters and literally no one else -- no trans men and/or bisexual men etc -- but they want asspats for being "inclusive". V*vziepoop has a ton of cis gay men in her trashy shows while the women and/or trans characters "exist" at best, and any attempt to flesh those characters out is forced. And you don't find that suspicious? Lol ok I can't help you.

And this isn't just about cis women, or even about the cis gay men who have a visceral hatred and entitlement towards women, because what I'm saying is expansive. A person's "disinterest" in women justifies why they only include cis gay men and literally no one else. And everyone's just. Fine with that apparently. I remember a time when people would crucify me and RJ because we have a female-focused cast, and they would simultaneously ignore the existence of our male characters that we give time to, and that people love and talk about. As a lesbian I am not the least bit interested in men, but I still somehow manage to include them in my lion comic of all fuckin things. What's everyone else's excuse?

So "I never find those people suspicious" Is that logic applicable to all the cis women who do the same thing, or is it just cis gay men?

Does everyone give the diversity quota a pass because if it has cis gay men in it its "good enough"? Do they think that just because they don't say verbatim that they're racist/sexist/transphobic, that they can't possibly be any of those things?

My original statement stands. Maybe be skeptical of media you consume if there's only one type of person being presented. - Cat

[ghostfawkers]

this seems fitting to post

[silliestclowngirl]

I don't mean to come back to the hazbin critical space because sometimes being a hater is draining, but I saw the new short and the comments on it. Ppl were like "dang she's really annoying, she kinda sucks :/" for sexually harassing Blitzo (which, I agree, she was kinda annoying. That was the goal for her character).

...But these are the same people who laughed or thought it was cute when Stolas sexually harassed Blitzo. Both Emberlynn (the girl in the new short btw) and Stolas sexually harassed Blitzo (hell they used the same damn nickname for him, the girl calling him Blitzy-Kun and Stolas calling him Blitzy), but only the annoying girl gets the hate?

Idc about Viv poking fun at women who like anime or participate in fandom or whatever- this trope has been done a million times, I think this is just silly "haha creator poke fun at fanbase lol" shit, it happens with every show. But it's just weird how Stolas isn't considered a creep but this girl is, yk? This feels like the flirting vs harassment workplace meme, but instead of a handsome guy and an ugly guy, it's Stolas and this one-off character.

[cookies-from-nj]

What puzzles me about Helluva Boss and its fandom is that despite how people online act, the Stella Stolas abuse thing is not written well enough for it to work the way people act like it works.

Stella is not a well-written abuser character; she acts more like a cartoon mean girl from a Nickelodeon show than an actual IRL abuser. Don't get me wrong. That's perfectly fine for a zany comedy cartoon about demons in hell. I don't think they need to write a realistic abusive relationship for the plot to make sense, but also then you have to accept that most people are not going to take it seriously if you aren’t taking it seriously.

So when the fans try to act like Stolas is a realistic portrayal of an abused husband and everyone who thinks Stella is hot is an abuse apologist, it's so weird to me because she is not a real representation of an abuser. And even if she was, it's a little hypocritical to claim what she does makes her an irredeemable demon when characters such as Loona are just as bad, if not worse to the men in their lives (Loona regularly insults and attacks Moxie).

Stolas acts way more like an Irl abuser than Stella. And in the fictional world of hell where violence and cruelty are seen as fine Stella isn’t even that abusive, she is just another demon in hell.

[idolomantises]

It rubs me so wrong when people insist a piece of queer media thats cute and wholesome is "sanitized" and only exists to appeal to straight conservatives.

Have you considered that some queer people just enjoy works that aren't to your tastes and accusing them of appeasing to homophobes is more harmful than helpful?

[ahelluvahater]

The thing about Vivs villains

So the Hazbin main antagonists are let me see here…..

A fat man (Adam) Black women in power (Sera, Velvette) A Latino in the sex industry (Val) An Asexual creole man who uses voodoo (Alastor) A fat woman whose a Jewish stereotype (Mimzy) And a fucking tv.

ok well what about Helluva?

a fat man (Mammon) literal babies (Cherubs) The agents one of which being a black HUMAN woman who still has grey skin A woman forced into an arranged marriage to a man she didn’t love (Stella) a cowboy (wtf is he even doing in this anymore)

but not the rich white allo rapist neglectful and biased upper class twink noooo he’s the victim of IMP, made up of a black woman, a sexual assault survivor and the guy he’s abusing.

these villains man… why are the majority minorities? Especially when we don’t see positive characters in those same minorities. Nope this is all Viv wanted to show about these minorities.

[chaifootsteps]

A defense I’ve heard to poison mv is that it’s meant to shock audiences and show the horrible side of the adult entertainment industry. Which is valid I’m not gonna says it not, however if they wanted to make it more effective why didn’t they show all the other sex workers getting abused? Episode 4 could have started with Valentino abusing/punishing other workers, or even showing how picks up victims so we could understand how Angel got trapped. Angel is singled out because Charlie ruined everything and he’s getting punished because of her.

that’s not about how exploitative the adult entertainment is. It’s similar to how in Cinderella, gus gus scared one of the evil stepsisters and Cinderella got blamed for it so her stepmom punished her. even Bojack horseman did a better job about exploitation of sex workers and animals held in captivity without showing explicit SA.

I think it probably would have been a more effective statement about the horrors of SA if they hadn't literally lifted material from Raph's rape fetish comics.

[chaifootsteps]

Just want to vent real quick- but how Alastor’s asexuality was handled really bothers me as an aroace person myself. Obviously representation will never be a one size fits all and the people who do feel represented by Al are valid- but I have my nitpicks personally

Like I just can’t wrap my head around Al being able to use modern slang and lingo like “that’s the tea” in a serious way and at correct time- but he doesn’t know the word asexual. A word that, if I remember correctly, was coined back in the 1800’s and was being used to describe a sexual orientation in. The 1900’s

For me it’s just another example of a show that people say is really queer, but they never even say the word asexual. Honestly I don’t think ace in the hole really counts- especially within the context of Rosie saying it as a joke and Alastor not having any real positive reaction to it…

Short answer? It's because Viv's respect for asexuality is almost as negligible as her respect for trans people that aren't her close friends, and she doesn't like it or care enough about it to get it on Alastor in more than a fleeting, token way.

[bump-inthe-night-deactivated202]

The more you think about Stolas and Stella’s relationship, the more it falls apart. Vivziepop's horrible writing is why their abusive dynamic doesn't work.

Stolas is a powerful Goetia prince, while Stella is an incubator who exists to get married and bear children. He admitted that he never loved her and was able to quickly divorce her without any consequences. Stolas has more power than Stella, both magically and politically, so it wasn’t as if he was helpless. If he didn’t want to physically harm her, then he could’ve used his prince status to pull strings and ensure the divorce was completely in his favor. 

Stolas didn’t have to play house with Stella for 17 years; instead, he could’ve left her after Octavia’s birth, or at least when she was too young to remember anything. However, he stayed because he wanted his daughter to live a “normal life,” which doesn’t make sense. How did being raised by an aggressive, abusive mother benefit Octavia? She’s depressed, neglected, and wishes for everything to return to "normal." Octavia would’ve been less miserable if her parents had divorced ages ago. 

Stolas’ abusive marriage would’ve worked if it were difficult for him to leave. If Stella had political leverage and was able to trap him in their relationship by threatening to take away Octavia, his status, and his grimoire, then I could understand why Stolas stayed. However, this isn’t the case in Helluva Boss’ canon. 

Stolas didn’t love Stella, and he could’ve left their marriage years ago but stayed because Vivziepop wanted to victimize him. 

[grembeast-deactivated20241007]

i think it says a lot about your character writing abilities when you try and create a villainous character that is intended to be unlikeable by packing them full of hurtful stereotypes and lazy writing conventions and it completely backfires and a good portion of the fandom ends up unironically loving them and simping for them, purely out of spite. especially the fat characters. they could never make me hate you mammon.

[palisman273]

Official Hazbin merch and it's promoting two Alastors, but no Vaggie.

Wow, you know it's bad when even the fucking Hazbin stans are complaining about the lack of Vaggie, or really any other female character here.

Like, Niffty I can understand excluding, but Vaggie is literally the main character's girlfriend.

I think this definitely puts to death the idea that Viv was making Hazbin a "female-focused show". No, it never was, she was lying, or at least clearly changed her mind. She focused this show just as much, if not more on Alastor and Angel Dust than she ever focused it on Charlie or Vaggie.

And yeah, you could maybe "blame youtooz for picking that not Viv", yeah, why do you think they chose to promote the clear fan favorite twice instead of the show's supposed deuteragonist? Oh yeah, it's because the show actively hypes up and makes you want to love Alastor and gives him more spotlight than Vaggie, So it's still a blame on the showrunners fault for youtooz' favoritism.

[idolomantises]

It sucks that male sexual trauma is something that is still not handled well in modern fiction. It’s either a joke, a fetish or completely downplayed.