Roanoke cabin is just the burnt out gifted kid cabin, and zodiac is gifted kids in their prime cabin.
Iykyk, but i'll try my best to explain.
so first of all (going alphabetically by last name because that's how I was taught)
April Hanson(?) : obviously April is a perfectionist and very much neurodivergent coded 'aprils classmates would call April 'intense', which is another way of saying 'too intense' also this entire page;
I mean, the definition of hyperfixation basically.
so examples aside and April also just showing as my therapist says 'so much signs of being neurodivergent' that brings us to gifted kid syndrome, specifically burnt out gifted kid syndrome. which is described as
'Gifted kid burnout is a state of physical, emotional, or academic exhaustion among high-achieving students, often characterized by a loss of motivation, perfectionism, and declining performance. It stems from intense pressure to maintain a "perfect" image, fear of failure, and lacking skills to handle challenging, effort-intensive work. Prevention requires emphasizing growth over grades and fostering resilience'
or something like that. April is constantly obsessed with being absolutely perfect at whatever she does that when she finds herself failing, she literally cannot handle it. She feels if she cant do something exactly the way that she imagines it, part of her worth is lost. I feel like there are a lot of good examples for when she does this but my favorite for a lot of reasons is the 'absence makes the heart grow fondant' badge. April takes a task meant to be simple, and blows it out of proportion by making it more challenging for herself and becoming frustrated when she inevitably causes herself to fail. (Jo does this too in a different way but i'll talk about that later). She feels she needs to not only succeed, but surpass expectations, but when she sets these impossible standards for herself and tries to maintain them, she comes crashing down.
April is very, very routine oriented and if something goes off route it messes everything up. She cannot handle unexpected outcomes so she plans for everything- so when something happens she doesnt plan for, all of that planning falls apart. She burns herself out very fast but refuses to acknowledge it because it would make her seem less skilled and whatnot. I feel like that's (part of) the reason she likes fighting monsters so much. she knows that she can just pour out all that pent up stress and energy into it and just have fun for a little while, she cant sit still and do something simple because she has to always be conquering something or shes 'useless', but then the rewards for the doing the simple things are lost so she complicates said simple things into more challenging things so she can feel successful when she completes them, but ends up failing those challenges she sets for herself and becoming stressed again. its a cycle and stuff I think, she needs a break but she refuses to let those breaks just be breaks. if she's not doing something important, then shes doing nothing. I feel like this is a genre of emotion and stress difficult to show through some media, but Lumberjanes did it very well.
Jo Miller: Oh boy, this ones easy actually. When you think of burnt out gifted kid syndrome you might think of a prodigy who works so hard constantly that they forgot how to be well, a kid because of all the pressure on them. That is Jo, basically.
she chooses to come to camp so she can be a kid for at least a little while longer
Jo as one can probably gather, has a lot of pressure on her academically, her dads (despite being good parents and good people) are likely not helping with this. Jo has spent her whole life being 'that one girl who's a genius or something', she is incredibly smart and capable but the thing is... she likes being a kid, she likes having fun and doing stupid stuff. She is probably one of the more burnt out of the cabin, she quite literally could not maintain those expectations for this long. Multiple times has she been given offers (or requests) to leave camp and go somewhere else and every time she has rejected them. There's also one frame I find very important
Jo clearly states she needed a break, but theres something else implied here. 'but being here with all this unexplainable stuff reminded me what I loved about science in the first place.' Jo loved science, she lovED it, nowadays (aside from at camp) she just likes it, mainly cause she is so good at it. it got to the point where it wasn't a hobby she could just enjoy, it was a requirement to succeed. The love for learning about mechanics and stuff she had had mostly dissolved beyond occasional tinkering due to it being something she had to pursue, not wanted to. For every bit of enjoyment she got out of science, she'd have to do ten times as much with only the purpose of future preparation. she was not allowed to live in the present for so long that she had to just stop. She came to camp thinking it would be an escape for all that- and it was, but it was also a reinitiation of her passion for science. she got space to breathe and remember why she was even doing this in the first place
She is admittedly a little bit tired of being 'girl perfect' every second of her life, even when it comes to things she enjoys and from people who love her.
actually, I should also mention that Jo is definitely neurodivergent as well, I quite literally have had several sessions with my therapist where its just me explaining every sign of autism she shows- but uhh, oh right Now, again with the 'absence makes the heart grow fondant' badge', Jo practically did the same thing as April but in a very different way. April made expectations too high for herself and made the process far more complicated then it needed to be, so did Jo. but whereas April tried to tackle the force herself, Jo instead of using regular logic went off and made a whole robot (we stan cake bot dw) and ran out of time. And while technically, if she had more time, she could have succeeded, she still made the whole process WAYYY to difficult to give herself either mental stimuli, or a sense of accomplishment in the best way she knows how; mechanics. Now I feel like a good way to explain this is with this meme specifically since this is Tumblr but it also is just a good analogy.
she made a simple task incredibly complex only to get the same result as someone who did it the simple way
this is I feel, at least in my opinion, THE burnt out gifted kid (to emotionally underdeveloped adult) experience.
'but I did more work so that means I did better, right?' not exactly. now lets take a look at the OTHER side of the spectrum (I'm so punny)
Molly Powell: oh jeepers, theres a lot of things I don't know how to say yet here, eh i'll figure it out as I go #frickpreperationandstoryoutlines wait is that why I went from one of the best English scores in state to failing at one point- uh, nevermind
Molly is both very similar and VERY different from Jo, (I have a wholllee draft about how they are parallels but that's a topic for a time when I'm not so sleep deprived).
Molly's parents are easily the worst of the Roanoke parents without question, the amount of stress they put on their daughter not only emotionally but academically is absurd. the BEST example of this is the entirety of 'ghost cabin' [slight spoilers so be warned y'all] Molly's parents throughout all four novels are referenced to be obsessed with the idea molly wasn't doing good enough in school, specifically [jumpscare warning] Math. now one can easily tell Molly is very smart, in fact one of the smartest emotionally wise (WHEN IT COMES TO OTHER PEOPLE) and in helping them deal with their trauma and issues, as well as being very interested in history, specially ancient civilizations like ancient greece and Rome respectively.
now I'ma just put in some small examples of what Molly's mother thinks of her daughter academic performance, so skip to when I say RAT if you wanna skip it
'But, as Molly’s mother’s Post-it notes explained, Molly was expected to
use at least some of her time at camp to improve her chances of getting
better grades at school the following year.
It should not be suggested that Molly was a bad student. Even Jo knew
that not especially liking math does not a bad student make.'
'In this case, both “Never mind” and “Nothing” were actually referring
to the thought Molly often had that every end of a day was a day at camp
she wouldn’t get back. The thought that there were only so many days of
summer left, even though it seemed like this summer was way longer than
any summer Molly could remember. But all summers end, all of them, and
every day that went by was a day closer to going . . . home.
Home, where homework and her mother’s Post-it notes were a huge part
of every day, instead of just a small package stashed under the bed'
And next, this one is important but also a wee bit spoilery
'Molly had everything that she needed in front of her to do math. For
two days now, she’d taken the books out of her mother’s package and
placed them in front of her. And for two days now she’d sat staring at the
pages.
Doing nothing.
Partly because of a feeling in her stomach like a rotten cucumber, a
feeling she’d had since she watched Deborah in the cabin the night before.
Sitting under a pine tree, with her math book open to this page on her
lap, and Bubbles snoozing on her head, Molly pulled out her pencil and
stared at the numbers on the page and tried not to think about Daedalus.
And the fact that Claudia was asking them to help her do the one thing
Molly was truly afraid of doing . . .'
Leaving.'
and this last one is just the universal audhd experience
'Molly stared at her textbook. While she was thinking about Claudia,
she’d been drawing, drawing right on top of the math problems she was
supposed to be solving.
Molly blinked.
Sometimes when Molly was distracted, she drew circles in circles. Little
mazes.
Labyrinths.
Partly because Molly was kind of a Greek mythology nut.'
RAT, anyways, in short- Molly isn't exactly the best student, but consider this- [oh god they're gonna start theorizing] molly is in the stage of burnt out gifted kid where instead of constantly trying to overachieve, she just does the bare minimum to get by because she realized doing the extra work wouldn't matter, not to her parents. Every heard of the 'pavlov dog experiment' yes that one.
there was one group of dogs that at one period were taught that no matter what they did, they'd still get punished with a shock, so in later tests where they had the ability to escape the shocks, they just accepted them due to the earlier realization that if they are going to get hurt either way, its easier to not strain themselves looking for a solution.
Molly might have at one point tried to adhere to her mothers standards, but eventually after time and time again of it not working and her still being a 'disappointment' she stopped trying to please them considering the outcome would always be the same. So Molly just eventually did what she could to not get hurt for the most part, but other than that didn't obey their expectations because it didn't matter. shes in the depressive phase of gifted kid burnout (as well as also just having depression but shh). She has no reason to try so she doesn't, the things she enjoys cant bring her complete 'success' for her parents so she stopped trying so hard to pursue them. she is apathetic to her well-being if it means escaping her home life. She cant be a perfect child anymore no matter how much she wants to try.
Ripley rodriguez-O'shanesy: now one may look at Ripley and say 'how is that child gifted in any way', and to that, fictional person I made up two seconds ago, I say 'frick you lemme explain'
Ripley is very smart, she is very smart but she is restless and energetic. She is smart in an unconventional way, imagine like... Penelope Garcia in a world of Spencer reids. Ripley is also one very important thing in here.
ripley is naturally good at a lot of things.
There is some overlap between being good at something because of years of practice and still, and being able to do something well from the beginning, in fact people who practice for years on end might end up getting farther in that field than the ones who were 'gifted'. This is because a natural phenomenon in kids and teens who are gifted, is that they never learned to work for their goals. For example, they went 15 years without ever studying for a test and passing them all, so why are their grades plummeting now? Why is forcing themself to do work so difficult, everyone else can do it. Why did they go from just being able to do things to having to work harder than they ever have before in their life? they used to just know things, so why is now any different?
I don't know why exactly this is, some psychologist could probably answer better, but I always thought I just kind of didn't need to study because I was just always going to know what to do (even though I never knew what to do and in while I was passing I was always incredibly confused). maybe last year they knew things that were above their grade level, but over the summer everyone else learned new things (relating to school) but they didn't because they thought they didn't need to. No one told them that one day all that credit would be worthless to someone of their age even though it was previously such a respectable thing to hold.
And this is why gifted kids don't always look like the stereotypical nerd, they don't need to study so why would they be so focussed on doing that, and many of them are neurodivergent so they might even be weird among the weird. they'll have weird interests like dinosaurs or bugs, know random things, maybe they'll seem like a mess but they've got their own systems and logic.
maybe they know lots of things but are never quite sure what do to with that, maybe they'll be confused all the time since its so normal to just not explain everything. And then they just put this knowledge in their head and hold it there because that's what everyone else is doing.
now that, that was a mix between personal examples and references to the Ripley in question. Again, the novels are so good at portraying this [the good egg for Ripley]
she immediately picked up Barney's ODD method and started applying it in her life, because well, she learned that behavior and it seemed like it worked so if it keeps working she'll keep doing it.
this is also just a side note but Ripley also struggles with feeling unimportant a lot, like since shes not as strong or smart as others, people like her less.
also this is a great example of what feeling confused about seemingly ordinary things and processes feels like
'Sometimes Ripley didn’t like asking people what stuff was because it
seemed to make people think Ripley didn’t know stuff (which she did). But Barney was a good person to ask questions because Barney was one of the few people that Ripley had ever met who actually liked to explain things. It made them happy. Also, Barney didn’t ever assume Ripley didn’t know something.'
barneys swag we love them here, plus I really have a hard time describing that feeling other than it pisses me off why no one explains anything like ever and when they do its not information that is useful to me and- I need to calm down its 2 am T-T
in shorter terms, Ripley is a gifted kid who isn't quite burnt out or thriving, shes just kind of existing and trying to figure out what the hell is going on cause no one tells her <3 (shes just like me fr fr)
And now finally, the other most burnt out of the burn outs
Mal Yoo: in musical prodigy withdrawal
somehow, I've noticed musical prodigies and gifted kids are not often counted together despite being basically the same thing, unless the child is both talented AND smart (not to say Mal isn't smart, shes very smart, but she isn't an academic prodigy now is she)
Mal loves music and everything music related, she loves playing music, listening to music, all that jazz (pun obviously intended)
she loves it so much in fact that she... changed her music camp forms with those of a completely separate camp. Now don't get me wrong, I said this is Jo's section and i'll say it again here- you can still be burnt out from something you enjoy doing in fact, most burn out comes from things people at one point or another, did enjoy. So why doesn't Mal want to go to a music camp for just one summer then? Probably because its been the 'only thing shes really good at' her entire life, even at camp she sees that as one of the only things she has to offer, when she was comparing everyone to body parts (shh) she considered Jo the brains (Smart and intuitive) April the muscle (strong and courageous) Ripley the gut (daring and impulsive) and Molly the heart (compassionate and loyal [she also said cute and a bunch of other stuff but I aint rereading all that] and she considered herself... the musical one (with cool hair). She also considers herself an anxious mess and worthless to the group but we're focusing on her self-love right now.
When Mal messes up trying to play a (Incredibly difficult) song on the accordion (an instrument she has very little experience with). she has an identity crisis. She doesn't understand why she couldn't just do it right, why she was failing. A common trait in people with gifted kid syndrome is the inability or refusal to try new things because when they do and they are now gratified with instant success or talent, they take it as a failure on their part and and decide that they are automatically 'bad' at it. they're so used to easy success that when they end up inevitably falling short, this means that they instantly have to give up the skill never try anything new ever again [which is horrible advice that I gave to myself and followed for way too long]
Mal needs camp because she needs to explore her other interests beyond her talents, not just based on them, in fact, they all need camp for similar reasons (and a bunch more but we're focusing on this today >:| ) so anyways
so for my late night rambling, if you couldn't already infer from my vast insider knowledge on this topic, its the autism ADHD combo :']
uh, have a good night/day/morning/whatever