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[butterscotchstars]

"yeah they didn't kiss but they still got their happy ending! they did it for humanity and then got to live as humans"

yeah but they didn't though??? two randos with their faces got to live out a life together.

but crowley and aziraphale? as in the main characters of the show who shared a love story over 6,000 years. they DIED??!??!?#?!

[rosetylxrs]

reincarnation stories are, to me, only satisfying if they remember; if theres shared history and if they AT LEAST got a happy ending in their main universe

what’s the point in all the reincarnations if the original crowley and aziraphale never got each other? it just doesn’t offer any comfort for me at all.

[rosetylxrs]

it was somebody else’s love story at the end of the day.

and it was really nice, for them. their love story was really nice. but it wasn’t crowley and aziraphale’s.

[fellshish]

and another thing… idk about you guys but my crowley and aziraphale are a demon and an angel, enemies to friends to situationship to almost-lovers, a 6,000 year slowburn. and they were fully shaped by the fact that they are supernatural beings, and by all their shared experiences, good and bad. that crowley and aziraphale have now semi-canonically been snapped out of existence, they have *never* even existed in this universe, they were basically book of lifed, the very punishment that was a threat in s2. and no weird ooc human au can ever be them because what they’ve been through and what they’ve learned is so much of who they are

[alphacentaurinebula]

one thousand percent. We literally had a season about this - was Jim Gabriel? Was Jim responsible for Gabriel's choices? The decision was NO, he shouldn't actually throw himself out the window, WITHOUT HIS MEMORIES HE WAS NO LONGER THE PERSON HE'D BEEN BEFORE.

[rosetylxrs]

i didn’t like the “wiping themselves out of existence” ending with the umbrella academy and i STILL DONT LIKE IT NOW for good omens!! enough!!

let sad tragic characters feel a MORSEL of happiness PLEASE!!!

[rosetylxrs]

i am just not destined to get a good ending for any show i like 😭 catch me over here as a fan of supernatural, sherlock, killing eve, himym, the umbrella academy, stranger things, AND good omens…. i was cursed by an old witch….

[rosetylxrs]

i’ve seen a lotta people compare crowley and aziraphale’s ending to the meta crisis in dw and how they were similar and therefore equally disappointing but the whole difference there for me is like

the metacrisis doctor HAD all of tens memories, experiences, feelings;,he was the SAME man not just some random guy and yet with GO3 they were just some random guys with NO memories NO shared experience it was NOT THEM

[rosetylxrs]

all that damn talk of the south downs cottage makes it so hard for me to believe that THATS what they meant the entire damn time?

[erinnobles]

BILLIE PIPER as Rose Tyler in DOCTOR WHO (2005)

[badwolfdances]

[orbiten]

The Tenth Doctor in THE NEXT DOCTOR

[orbiten]

The Fires of Pompeii | The Waters of Mars

[vampirecorleone]

"Where to, Miss?" | "To the stars." Cinematography Appreciation - Titanic (1997) dir. James Cameron

[folk-habits]

repeat with me

[orbiten]

The Tenth Doctor in 42

[ridiculouslyunintelligent]

hot take: the problem with doctor who is NOT that they brought billie piper back, it is NOT that ncuti left early, it is NOT that 15 never faced a dalek or a cyberman, and it is CERTAINLY NOT that it’s ’too woke’

the problem with doctor who is that they have forgotten how to engage an audience without utterly confusing them. if i were a writer, this is what i’d change:

1. i would lower the stakes

my biggest issue with dw in recent years is that the stakes are always SO high - it’s always ‘we need to sort this out or else the ENTIRE UNIVERSE WILL END. this rarely happened at the start of nuwho. of course, there were instances where galaxies and universes were at stake, but there were also plenty of instances where the doctor solves issues to A. save his own skin, B. save his friends, and C. to save smaller populations of people and/or generally do what is morally right.

prime example is in new earth. the world isn’t really at stake, he has a couple of objectives: get cassandra to piss off, free the test subjects, stop the infections from spreading. he doesn’t spend the hour worrying that if he doesn’t help then the world will end, he sees a problem that’s morally corrupt and he solves it for the sake of that group. the payoff is just as good, and actually IMPROVES the payoff for episodes where a bit more is at stake, like the poison sky, for example.

2. i would stop plots from spilling over across seasons

i’d like to remind everyone that, although there were things that kind of linked into each other and were mentioned again, generally for the first 4 seasons of (new) doctor who, an overarching issue was built up, climaxed, and resolved throughout a single season. for example: bad wolf in s1. this has gotten worse and worse over time but has honestly been a problem since rtd1 ended, and for some reason when he came back it got WORSE than it’s ever been!!! there’s just way too much overspill across seasons, things even span accross different doctors more recently which is just too much at times. when it’s little things it doesn’t matter, but it’s not. again, this has been an issue before this finale, but this finale is a good example since there were a hundred and one loose ends before he regenerated. when nuwho began, they literally stated each regen would be treated as a soft reboot and their neglect of that has been a downfall.

3. i’d make doctor who dirty and grungy again

it’s too clean futuristic ultra modern sci-fi these days. the tardis doesn’t look like he stole it. what happened to those fun tardis scenes where the entire thing would shake as it took off and landed? why is everything so light and clean? it should be dim and cozy and imperfect.

4. i’d make the companions’ family members more prominent and interesting characters again

doesn’t take much explaining, really. picture jackie tyler, now picture carla sunday. who has a stronger presence and personality in your head and why is it jackie tyler? (there’s bound to be someone who disagrees and that’s fine but i don’t rlly want to hear about it tbh)

5. i’d re-inject some british whimsy

please don’t mistake this as me saying doctor who ‘isn’t british’ or something weird and gammon-y like that, i love when dw explores different cultures, the story and the engine was one of my highlights last season, i just mean like - let him save the world with a jammy dodger again. let him be brought back to life by a good cup of tea. it makes it enjoyable.

there are lots of things, but those are my main ones.

EDIT: thank you to everyone who has weighed in on this - i’ve found it really interesting to see everyone’s perspectives on this because honestly i could talk for king and country about it, but also i just wanted to say that it makes me kind of sad that one of my only negative posts about doctor who is my most popular post :( if you’re reading this, it’s your sign to do something positive today, if i can help to make just one person’s day better then that’s a win to me :)

[polarity-disturbed]

OP, I know you said this is one of your “only negative posts,” but there’s a lot of love for the show apparent in what you wrote—and I hope you know that. <3

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Women’s Appreciation Week ▪ Day Four: Favourite Relationship → Rose and Jackie Tyler (Doctor Who)