RWDE, but with sarcasm

Just a dude with opinions on a show that may or may not drive him crazy at times.

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Considering this is what Canonseeker really thinks of RT, no wonder the place went under. Not even the hyper fans care about most of their content. Not Canonseeker, not Lilith, and not most people it seems.

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“Magic isn’t real” said the character who is just a Final Fantasy Summoner.

“Magic isn’t real” says the character who fought a man who can make three duplicates of himself with color coded clothing.

“Magic isn’t real” says the character whose partner’s uncle has an ability that literally rewrites probability without him trying.

“Magic isn’t real” says the character whose professor just... does magic in the first episode and is never shown to do it again.

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Only difference between magic and semblances / dust is that semblances / dust are normalized. You can literally talk to someone on the other side of the planet with a device the size of your palm, yet you would certainly find being able to talk to someone on the other side of the planet using only your mind to be magic lmfao

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Of course, which is why magic is stuff that is entirely replaceable with Dust and Semblances except for turning into birds. Which was the main point of this post, the sheer lack of a distinguishing factor between Magic, Dusts and Semblances means that the reaction is both over-exaggerated for something that ultimately isn’t that impressive, and is also for something that practically doesn’t need to exist within the story.

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Telepathy is easily replaced by a mobile phone but I bet if you started being able to talk with someone on the other side of the planet with only your mind you'd be pretty shocked too, despite it already being possible with technology. Telepathy isn't that impressive, it's basically just a phone without a phone, but I guarantee you'd be at least a bit surprised if telepathy turned out to be a real thing.

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I mean, if your understanding of telepathy starts and ends at “long distance communication” then of course you’d make a shortsighted comparison to it being like a cell phone.

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Telepathy, as defined by Merriam-Webster, is "communication from one mind to another by extrasensory means"

Telepathy is literally just that. It adds the extrasensory bit and lets you talk to someone else across distances through mind to mind talking.

Phones let you talk from phone to phone and add the, well, phone bit and lets you talk to someone else across distances through phone to phone talking.

Telepathy all and all isn't that impressive and achieves things that can still be done with a regular phone, but I guarantee you'd still be shocked if you found out telepathy is real.

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Telepathy can also do things that a phone cannot, for example communication directly through a person’s mind makes it a much more reliable form of communication as you can tell when someone is lying. A phone meanwhile can be used for all sorts of things telepathy cannot. The thing is, they are capable of replicating the same result but also have differences in their abilities.

Something that Magic in RWBY, just doesn’t do. Every magical feat except the birds has been explicitly reproduced by a semblance, and we don’t even know if you can’t shapeshift with a semblance considering semblances can cause physical aspects of you to change.

If you’re going to continue to misunderstand the assignment, then don’t bother dragging our old posts from 2021 because you’re mad I disagree with you on other aspects of RWBY.

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RWBY: Penny isn't a human girl, but a robot girl. She even tells Ruby she isn't a real girl because of this, but Ruby reasures her by saying she is, because her being made from metal parts doesn't make her less real than her. Penny is a real girl no matter what, even if her body is metal.

Also RWBY: We made Penny human. Ambrosius wonders what will be left of her once he removes the metal parts, since y'know Penny is a robot. Team RWBY are not concerned about this, because the real Penny is underneath her metal body - her soul :) Penny's body isn't part of her identity of who she is, it's just an extra, like Yang's arm, who is the one to call metal parts an extra :)

RWBY: A character named Winter Schnee with icy personality is planned to become the next...wait for it...Winter Maiden. But instead of that happening, Penny inherits the powers, becoming the next Winter Maiden.

Also RWBY: Winter becomes the new...wait for it...Winter Maiden after Penny dies. Who would have seen that coming?

RWBY: Ruby cares about Penny very much and was horried by her death and despite not knowing her for too long, calls her a friend.

Also RWBY: Ruby along with others, pass by Penny with virus body, not paying much attention to it, not being bothered to see it wither away. Who cares, the REAL Penny is next to them :)

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Why would you care about the malfunctioning virus penny when the soul, the thing that made Penny who she is, is right next to you in a physical form. Why would that matter.

Penny is a real girl no matter what. Whether her body is metal or flesh, she's a real girl. That's... the whole point of it.

They worked with her for months in Atlas and Penny and Ruby had plenty of bonding in V2-V3.

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It’s almost like “being a robot” was a core part of who the real Penny was, and calling her mechanical parts “extra” when it was a fundamental part of her existence is gross and works against the message the show had established with Penny when they first revealed she was a robot. Back then being mechanical was just how she was, like how Blake was a Faunus. But now the metal parts are “extra”, because CRWBY decided it was gonna start being super ableist.

Its gross that the show implies she’s “better” than she was before because now she can emotions and feel good when hugging someone (which is gross and ultimately feels like it contradicts Penny’s existence as a robot with a soul anyways).

The point is not that her becoming human changed her as a person in some fundamental form, it’s because it undermines the point of “you’re a real girl, even if you’re not made up of squishy gut stuff”. It’s gross that we can just say “those are extra” and throw away a core part of Penny’s existence as a person.

Meanwhile if you suggested Blake should just give up her ears and be a human (something the show would go on a do), most people would rightfully say that’s not something you should do!

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No, the robot parts were never a core part of what Penny was. Ruby literally says that her being a robot doesn't matter, that she's real regardless.

Ruby: Of course you are. You think just because you've got nuts and bolts instead of squishy guts makes you any less real than me?

Penny: I don't... um... You're... taking this extraordinarily well.

Ruby: You're not like those things we saw back there. You've got a heart, and a soul; I can feel it!

Penny: Ooohh... oh Ruby! You're the best friend anyone could have!

The show never even once says that Penny's mechanical parts are a core part of her. What makes her, well, her, is her heart (symbolism for kindness) and her soul (symbolism for personality and all that stuff). Her being a robot doesn't matter cause she has both, her robotic parts aren't her, her soul and heart is her. Nowhere, not even once, does it say that her robotic parts are a fundamental part of her.

It's not ableist whatsoever. It's completely consistent with itself and it's message.

Her robotic parts are extra. She's still a real girl whether or not she's flesh or robotic. Being a robot ISN'T fundamental to her, that's the whole point. Her being a robot doesn't matter whatsoever, cause she's still a real girl. It's supposed to not be a core part of Penny's existence as a person.

Did you even watch the show?

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The robotics of Penny are entirely a core of her character. Because Penny being a robot shaped how she experiences the world, because being a robot is to Penny like being a Faunus is to Blake. Saying “the metal parts are extra” to someone who has lived their entire life as a robot is the equivalent of saying “well the ears are just extra” to Blake.

Because again, Penny is a real girl but a real girl who experiences the world differently from others. She can fly, she’s got heat vision, she processes things different from someone like Ruby. That is ultimately the crux of what Penny’s character is. She’s a girl who experiences the world differently, who was never demonized for being different… until the show decided metal parts are just “extra” to a person.

As soon as Penny becomes a “real girl” from her experience with the Blue Genie, she starts to process the world differently. She asks if hugs “always make you feel warm in your chest like this”, implying that she didn’t feel that when she was a robot. This affirms that Penny was neurodivergent before, and now she’s “just like everyone else”.

How is it not ableist to have a character whose arc is about being just as much of a real girl as everyone else, despite processing the world differently, and then ENDING THE ARC BY ERASING THAT ASPECT OF HER?

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No, it's not that at all. Her being a robot is not a core part of her, her personality is what makes her who she is, not the robot parts.

Blake's ears are an indicator of her race and her culture and background. That's very different from a robot. The whole point of Penny being a robot is that she shouldn't be treated differently for being a robot, because she's still a real girl. Her being a robot doesn't matter whatsoever.

She was never demonized for being different, and has never been. She's a real girl no matter what. If she's a robot, she's a real girl, if she's a literal real girl, she's a real girl.

Her robot parts aren't what define her. She's more than just a robot. Boiling her down to being a robot is undermining her humanity.

Penny was never neurodivergent. That's a headcanon. Don't get pissed because of a headcanon, that's peak stupidity. She liked hugs before, and likes hugs after. She's the same Penny before and after.

The whole point of her arc is that her being a robot doesn't matter. She's a real girl no matter what. By turning her into a real girl and her acting exactly the same and everyone treating her exactly the same, it clarifies even more that her being a robot didn't matter, cause she's a real girl no matter what.

Please, please, please do not use the "Penny is neurodivergent" headcanon to back up your shitty criticism. That is a headcanon.

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“By turning her into a real girl, and her acting exactly the same-“ SHE ACTIVELY ASKS QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY THINGS FEEL DIFFERENT. Being a “real girl” literally alters her ability to perceive reality and feel feelings. You can say “Penny’s neurodivergence is a headcanon”, but the show actively points out that in her human body she experiences the world differently.

Penny as a robot couldn’t feel the “warmth” in her chest from hugging people, but Penny as a “real girl” can. Penny as a robot couldn’t feel the grass under her feet, but Penny as a “real girl” can. She literally comes out the other side of the transformation feeling and experiencing stimulus in a different way from when she was a robot. Trying to argue that Penny being a robot isn’t a core part of her character entirely dismisses the show’s text that as a real girl she is experiencing things differently than she was before.

You can claim I’m “undermining her humanity” by saying her robotics did play a part in her character, but here’s the thing. How you perceive the world often has an impact on your personality. Penny by existing as something that is not Human or Faunus, has a unique perspective on the world, which is part of why she believes she is not a real girl initially. She can act happy, but according to the show’s text she’s feeling happy in a different way from everyone else. Because she doesn’t feel a warmth in her chest, and she doesn’t understand “all the feels” of being human.

Your argument is that Penny’s identity as a robot doesn’t matter, because she’s still a real girl even as a robot. This conclusion is actually at odds with what the show initially said. Penny’s robotic nature matters because the theme of her arc is “even if you are different, you are still a person” an idea that necessitates the acknowledgement that Penny is different and that her differences make her who she is BUT she is also still a real girl.

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Hugs are warmer now because, you know, she's a person who now gives off heat. She didn't do that as a robot. She still loves hugs, loves all the same things, she just feels heat now cause she's a human.

The ability to give off heat from your body is not a fundamental factor of what makes you you. If your personality is based off of your body's ability to give off heat then I am extremely sorry for you.

Nowhere is it said that Penny can't feel grass.

The only thing she's experiencing differently is warmth. Everything else is the same. She's the same Penny she was before.

Once gain, stop using the neurodivergent headcanon for her. It's a headcanon.

Her being a robot influences how she became who she is, because it makes her unconfident in herself and her humanity. That shouldn't be the case. It shouldn't matter if she's a robot or not. She's still a real girl, no matter what, and the show goes along with this.

Her mentality, personality, everything other than her literal physical touch, is still exactly the same. She's the same Penny she was before, because her being a robot didn't matter. She's the same Penny she always was.

"Penny’s robotic nature matters because the theme of her arc is “even if you are different, you are still a person” an idea that necessitates the acknowledgement that Penny is different and that her differences make her who she is BUT she is also still a real girl."

Penny's difference (being a robot) influences her in a negative way by making herself think she's not normal. The show makes it clear that her being a robot literally doesn't matter. She's still a real girl. By changing her to a human and her still being a real girl, it's driving the point home that her being a robot didn't matter at all, cause she was always a real girl and still is. Nowhere does the show make her being a robot a significant part of her. The whole point is that it's not a significant part of her, cause she's just as much of a real girl as anyone else.

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If the arc is “you’re a real girl, even if you’re different” then the differences are an important part of the arc. You can say that her robotic nature made her feel like she was less normal, but that’s also something people who are “different” experience especially ones who are young adults.

I’ve known many people who grew up worrying about being gay, or having autism, or who were worried about how they looked because of heterochromia or albinism. But ultimately those “differences” are still a part of them, and stripping those away would still change how they felt about themselves. But even beyond that, you’ve slipped up there.

You’ve gone from saying Penny’s robotic parts didn’t matter, to saying it’s good that they’re gone, because they just worried Penny. But that’s still changing something about Penny’s life, that means her parts do matter for her character. You also claimed that Penny was simply experiencing heat… which doesn’t make sense given the line she says is “do hugs always make you feel so warm inside” implying it’s an emotional reaction, not a physical reaction she’s feeling. She’s feeling something different emotionally, and asked for clarification because it’s something she hasn’t felt before.

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Yeah... And by showing that she's exactly the same even with the difference removed it drives the point home that the difference never mattered in the first place because she was always a real girl. Do you not understand that?

Removing Penny's robot parts doesn't change how she feels about herself. She still loves hugs, she just feels heat coming from inside her body lol. The whole point is that even if her difference never existed, she's still the same, because that difference doesn't define who she is. She is herself, Penny Polendina, no matter what. If she's a robot or a human, she's the same girl, and the difference of her being a robot shouldn't impact how she acts.

And, lo and behold, it doesn't.

Never said that it's good they were gone. It's good they're gone cause she was literally being controlled by a virus and having her free will violated over and over, but her robotic nature wasn't something she was insecure about after Volume 2.

"do hugs always make you feel so warm inside" is referring to her body, her insides, literally giving off heat. Even if it wasn't, it's literally just her being happy that she's no longer being controlled by a virus.

Changing who she physically is, what she's made out of, doesn't matter. She's still Penny. Her being a robot SHOULDN'T define her. She should be accepted no matter what she is, and her being accepted in both forms and her robot parts being seen as just extra to her regular personality shows that she's not being treated any differently because she's a robot, cause her being a robot isn't what makes her, well, her.

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My guy, the phrase “warm inside” when applied to something you like generally means it makes you happy. Like a boyfriend who loves you makes you feel warm inside, or a nice ice cream you like makes you feel warm inside. If it was about body heat, it would have been “do hugs always make you feel so warm” or “do hugs always make you feel so hot”.

The phrasing of the line also plays into this, as if Penny was merely happy about being able to feel like this again… she would have said that. Writing the line as a question after a character undergoes a transformation in most media implies the sensation is a new sensation. So “do hugs always make you feel so warm inside” means “do hugs always make you feel so happy”, and it’s a new sensation she feels… after losing the robot parts.

I’m sure you can figure out the implication that makes about any differences between her robot form and her “real girl” form, right?

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Once again, no. Even if it isn't literal heat, it's her being happy that she's no longer being controlled by Ironwood.

If you're already happy about something, chances are something else that makes you happy is gonna make you happier than it normally would.

For Penny, hugging someone makes her happy. But, hugging someone after being freed from being controlled by Ironwood makes her happier than just a hug would, so it's something new lol.

I'm sure you can figure out that there are no implications lol. She's happy about not being controlled anymore. She's still the same Penny she was before, only this time she has control over herself and is no longer able to be controlled by Ironwood.

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If she was happy about not being controlled, she would refer to how it feels great to experience this again, or that it’s better than she remembered. Not that it’s an entirely unfamiliar feeling to her, because obviously if she was feeling this as a robot it wouldn’t be unfamiliar.

You seem to have a rigid idea of what is right; while also not understanding how important specific aspects of dialogue are, nor how keying dialogue at specific moments creates a meaning. Unless your answer is that Rooster Teeth wrote the dialogue wrong and that your interpretation is right despite not matching with how the scene flows.

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She hasn't experienced the happiness of being free from being controlled by a computer virus before, therefore this is new to her. It has nothing to do with her becoming human. She's still the same Penny she was before.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?

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Because the show’s dialogue and flow of the scene don’t agree with your assessment. You keep assigning things that “must” be true despite not lining up with what phrases are used. Like how it’s just about body heat despite being described in a way most Americans wouldn’t phrase it.

It’s hard for me to understand your assessment because you have no evidence and are working against the text of the show you insulted people and claimed they didn’t watch. If you want to back up your interpretation of the text with evidence for why that is, I’d be glad to hear it. I’m merely providing the most literally reading of the text possible after all.

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good lord...

Penny: Do hugs always make you feel this warm inside?

Now, why would she be asking this? Nothing else changes about her personality, feelings, or really anything except her physical appearance after she is turned into a human... so why is this 100% a result of her being a human?

She's just been freed of Ironwood's control, and she can now think for herself. Bear in mind that she's been under Ironwood's control since WAAAAY before the literal virus control. Her arc in 7-8 isn't about her being accepted, that was her arc in v2. Her arc in v7-8 is about her gaining independence. Throughout both of these volumes she's constantly told what to do, by Ironwood, her father, and even Team RWBY.

But now, she's put all of that behind her. She's been freed, and she can act for herself now. Everything she does after this is of her own volition, mind you. She's told to go to Vacuo, but she stays and fights to protect her friends. When she's dying, she decides to sacrifice herself in order to give Winter the maiden powers and stop Cinder from getting them.

Her turning human is done to symbolize that she's not under anyone's control anymore, not that her headcanon neurodivergence is gone. That's why she acts differently. Because she's finally free of the control of others, literally (virus) and figuratively (making decisions on her own).

As such, she feels different. She's overjoyed, she can finally be herself now, and hugs make her even happier now that she's free.

Want evidence of this arc happening? Lemme get a whole list of all the times she's told what to do.

Clover: No. Worse. You two with me. Penny, stay put and keep an eye on our six. We may need an element of surprise.

Gets ordered around by Clover

Ruby: Invite's still open if you want in. Penny's gonna be working security.

Ordered to act as security at Robyn's rally

Marrow: Penny, you need to get to Atlas. Backup's on the way.

Ordered to get out of Mantle

Ironwood: As the official report stated, that footage was doctored. Penny is completely under my control.

Ironwood quite literally says it in front of her

Pietro: Ahem. This process is a... little complicated. So I'm remoting into Penny from Amity Colosseum.

Penny gets literally controlled by Pietro to get Amity ready for takeoff

Marrow: You could stop all of this, Penny. Just open the vault, hand over the relic, and you'll save Atlas.

Once again gets told what to do, refuses and starts to gain more autonomy

Pietro: Penny, we are not having this conversation again. I'm your father and I'm telling you that you belong on Amity.

Her father tells her where she belongs, she refuses and helps get Amity up into the sky

Maria: Don't you think Penny has had enough people telling her what to do?

Maria's comment here shows that others are aware that she's always being told what to do

After this she quite literally has a virus controlling her and forcing her to go to the vault

After she's changed into a real girl, she decides not to go to Vacuo and sacrifices herself. The whole thing about her being happier now is because she's freed from control.

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If I were to be blunt, this doesn’t actually disprove anything I’ve said. You’ve provided the character arc leading Penny up to that moment, but nothing to actually disprove how the scene is laid out. Penny undergoes a transformation, and asks about a new sensation that based on the phrasing has never been experienced before. Narratively, that points to more than just her physical appearance changing because that type of dialogue isn’t typically used in this manner.

Also like, you just walked yourself back to why people have a problem with the arc Penny has. Penny is only “free” when she gives up her differences and becomes just like everyone else. Penny is only a danger to her friends and herself because she is different. This idea that her differences only hurt herself and other people is a pretty toxic message to give to… literally any sort of minority ever.

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I try and I try and I try and you still act stupid.

The character arc leading up to this moment and the high point of her arc is the reason why she's happy. Penny undergoes a transformation, is no longer under control, and asks about a new sensation that based on the phrasing has never been experienced before... because she was never free before this.

Narratively, that points to her being happy that she's no longer under control.

Once again, her difference is not what made her her. She's still the exact same girl she was before, no difference, except she's free from control.

Her being a robot wasn't harming her, it was being controlled that was harming her. She was still under control even without the literal virus to serve as a physical manifestation of how she's not controlling herself.

This would be a toxic message if some people were born with computer viruses in them, but luckily that doesn't happen.

She's still the exact same Penny she was before, because being a robot isn't what defines her. She's a real girl. Her being a robot doesn't make her different, that's the whole point, she's still a real girl.

Nothing changes because she is no longer a robot. Things change because she is no longer under control. She could still be controlled if she was a human, but now she's willingly refusing to let others control her.

Being a robot doesn't hurt her, being controlled hurts her, and that's not a toxic message at all.

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Ah, so she was never “free” before. When she was a robot and had her differences that directly led to her hurting herself and her friends. But she’s free now, that she isn’t a robot and couldn’t possibly hurt herself or friends now because she’s free. Because her differences are gone, and the way she existed and perceived the world for all her life was just “extra”

Right, totally sounds like Penny being a robot was not important to her character at all. I’m sure this Pinocchio fighting with sticks with strings attached to her back also doesn’t mean anything about her character.

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“Magic isn’t real” said the character who is just a Final Fantasy Summoner.

“Magic isn’t real” says the character who fought a man who can make three duplicates of himself with color coded clothing.

“Magic isn’t real” says the character whose partner’s uncle has an ability that literally rewrites probability without him trying.

“Magic isn’t real” says the character whose professor just... does magic in the first episode and is never shown to do it again.

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Only difference between magic and semblances / dust is that semblances / dust are normalized. You can literally talk to someone on the other side of the planet with a device the size of your palm, yet you would certainly find being able to talk to someone on the other side of the planet using only your mind to be magic lmfao

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Of course, which is why magic is stuff that is entirely replaceable with Dust and Semblances except for turning into birds. Which was the main point of this post, the sheer lack of a distinguishing factor between Magic, Dusts and Semblances means that the reaction is both over-exaggerated for something that ultimately isn’t that impressive, and is also for something that practically doesn’t need to exist within the story.

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Telepathy is easily replaced by a mobile phone but I bet if you started being able to talk with someone on the other side of the planet with only your mind you'd be pretty shocked too, despite it already being possible with technology. Telepathy isn't that impressive, it's basically just a phone without a phone, but I guarantee you'd be at least a bit surprised if telepathy turned out to be a real thing.

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I mean, if your understanding of telepathy starts and ends at “long distance communication” then of course you’d make a shortsighted comparison to it being like a cell phone.

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RWBY: Penny isn't a human girl, but a robot girl. She even tells Ruby she isn't a real girl because of this, but Ruby reasures her by saying she is, because her being made from metal parts doesn't make her less real than her. Penny is a real girl no matter what, even if her body is metal.

Also RWBY: We made Penny human. Ambrosius wonders what will be left of her once he removes the metal parts, since y'know Penny is a robot. Team RWBY are not concerned about this, because the real Penny is underneath her metal body - her soul :) Penny's body isn't part of her identity of who she is, it's just an extra, like Yang's arm, who is the one to call metal parts an extra :)

RWBY: A character named Winter Schnee with icy personality is planned to become the next...wait for it...Winter Maiden. But instead of that happening, Penny inherits the powers, becoming the next Winter Maiden.

Also RWBY: Winter becomes the new...wait for it...Winter Maiden after Penny dies. Who would have seen that coming?

RWBY: Ruby cares about Penny very much and was horried by her death and despite not knowing her for too long, calls her a friend.

Also RWBY: Ruby along with others, pass by Penny with virus body, not paying much attention to it, not being bothered to see it wither away. Who cares, the REAL Penny is next to them :)

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Why would you care about the malfunctioning virus penny when the soul, the thing that made Penny who she is, is right next to you in a physical form. Why would that matter.

Penny is a real girl no matter what. Whether her body is metal or flesh, she's a real girl. That's... the whole point of it.

They worked with her for months in Atlas and Penny and Ruby had plenty of bonding in V2-V3.

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It’s almost like “being a robot” was a core part of who the real Penny was, and calling her mechanical parts “extra” when it was a fundamental part of her existence is gross and works against the message the show had established with Penny when they first revealed she was a robot. Back then being mechanical was just how she was, like how Blake was a Faunus. But now the metal parts are “extra”, because CRWBY decided it was gonna start being super ableist.

Its gross that the show implies she’s “better” than she was before because now she can emotions and feel good when hugging someone (which is gross and ultimately feels like it contradicts Penny’s existence as a robot with a soul anyways).

The point is not that her becoming human changed her as a person in some fundamental form, it’s because it undermines the point of “you’re a real girl, even if you’re not made up of squishy gut stuff”. It’s gross that we can just say “those are extra” and throw away a core part of Penny’s existence as a person.

Meanwhile if you suggested Blake should just give up her ears and be a human (something the show would go on a do), most people would rightfully say that’s not something you should do!

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No, the robot parts were never a core part of what Penny was. Ruby literally says that her being a robot doesn't matter, that she's real regardless.

Ruby: Of course you are. You think just because you've got nuts and bolts instead of squishy guts makes you any less real than me?

Penny: I don't... um... You're... taking this extraordinarily well.

Ruby: You're not like those things we saw back there. You've got a heart, and a soul; I can feel it!

Penny: Ooohh... oh Ruby! You're the best friend anyone could have!

The show never even once says that Penny's mechanical parts are a core part of her. What makes her, well, her, is her heart (symbolism for kindness) and her soul (symbolism for personality and all that stuff). Her being a robot doesn't matter cause she has both, her robotic parts aren't her, her soul and heart is her. Nowhere, not even once, does it say that her robotic parts are a fundamental part of her.

It's not ableist whatsoever. It's completely consistent with itself and it's message.

Her robotic parts are extra. She's still a real girl whether or not she's flesh or robotic. Being a robot ISN'T fundamental to her, that's the whole point. Her being a robot doesn't matter whatsoever, cause she's still a real girl. It's supposed to not be a core part of Penny's existence as a person.

Did you even watch the show?

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The robotics of Penny are entirely a core of her character. Because Penny being a robot shaped how she experiences the world, because being a robot is to Penny like being a Faunus is to Blake. Saying “the metal parts are extra” to someone who has lived their entire life as a robot is the equivalent of saying “well the ears are just extra” to Blake.

Because again, Penny is a real girl but a real girl who experiences the world differently from others. She can fly, she’s got heat vision, she processes things different from someone like Ruby. That is ultimately the crux of what Penny’s character is. She’s a girl who experiences the world differently, who was never demonized for being different… until the show decided metal parts are just “extra” to a person.

As soon as Penny becomes a “real girl” from her experience with the Blue Genie, she starts to process the world differently. She asks if hugs “always make you feel warm in your chest like this”, implying that she didn’t feel that when she was a robot. This affirms that Penny was neurodivergent before, and now she’s “just like everyone else”.

How is it not ableist to have a character whose arc is about being just as much of a real girl as everyone else, despite processing the world differently, and then ENDING THE ARC BY ERASING THAT ASPECT OF HER?

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No, it's not that at all. Her being a robot is not a core part of her, her personality is what makes her who she is, not the robot parts.

Blake's ears are an indicator of her race and her culture and background. That's very different from a robot. The whole point of Penny being a robot is that she shouldn't be treated differently for being a robot, because she's still a real girl. Her being a robot doesn't matter whatsoever.

She was never demonized for being different, and has never been. She's a real girl no matter what. If she's a robot, she's a real girl, if she's a literal real girl, she's a real girl.

Her robot parts aren't what define her. She's more than just a robot. Boiling her down to being a robot is undermining her humanity.

Penny was never neurodivergent. That's a headcanon. Don't get pissed because of a headcanon, that's peak stupidity. She liked hugs before, and likes hugs after. She's the same Penny before and after.

The whole point of her arc is that her being a robot doesn't matter. She's a real girl no matter what. By turning her into a real girl and her acting exactly the same and everyone treating her exactly the same, it clarifies even more that her being a robot didn't matter, cause she's a real girl no matter what.

Please, please, please do not use the "Penny is neurodivergent" headcanon to back up your shitty criticism. That is a headcanon.

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“By turning her into a real girl, and her acting exactly the same-“ SHE ACTIVELY ASKS QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY THINGS FEEL DIFFERENT. Being a “real girl” literally alters her ability to perceive reality and feel feelings. You can say “Penny’s neurodivergence is a headcanon”, but the show actively points out that in her human body she experiences the world differently.

Penny as a robot couldn’t feel the “warmth” in her chest from hugging people, but Penny as a “real girl” can. Penny as a robot couldn’t feel the grass under her feet, but Penny as a “real girl” can. She literally comes out the other side of the transformation feeling and experiencing stimulus in a different way from when she was a robot. Trying to argue that Penny being a robot isn’t a core part of her character entirely dismisses the show’s text that as a real girl she is experiencing things differently than she was before.

You can claim I’m “undermining her humanity” by saying her robotics did play a part in her character, but here’s the thing. How you perceive the world often has an impact on your personality. Penny by existing as something that is not Human or Faunus, has a unique perspective on the world, which is part of why she believes she is not a real girl initially. She can act happy, but according to the show’s text she’s feeling happy in a different way from everyone else. Because she doesn’t feel a warmth in her chest, and she doesn’t understand “all the feels” of being human.

Your argument is that Penny’s identity as a robot doesn’t matter, because she’s still a real girl even as a robot. This conclusion is actually at odds with what the show initially said. Penny’s robotic nature matters because the theme of her arc is “even if you are different, you are still a person” an idea that necessitates the acknowledgement that Penny is different and that her differences make her who she is BUT she is also still a real girl.

[goldsrc-hl1]

Hugs are warmer now because, you know, she's a person who now gives off heat. She didn't do that as a robot. She still loves hugs, loves all the same things, she just feels heat now cause she's a human.

The ability to give off heat from your body is not a fundamental factor of what makes you you. If your personality is based off of your body's ability to give off heat then I am extremely sorry for you.

Nowhere is it said that Penny can't feel grass.

The only thing she's experiencing differently is warmth. Everything else is the same. She's the same Penny she was before.

Once gain, stop using the neurodivergent headcanon for her. It's a headcanon.

Her being a robot influences how she became who she is, because it makes her unconfident in herself and her humanity. That shouldn't be the case. It shouldn't matter if she's a robot or not. She's still a real girl, no matter what, and the show goes along with this.

Her mentality, personality, everything other than her literal physical touch, is still exactly the same. She's the same Penny she was before, because her being a robot didn't matter. She's the same Penny she always was.

"Penny’s robotic nature matters because the theme of her arc is “even if you are different, you are still a person” an idea that necessitates the acknowledgement that Penny is different and that her differences make her who she is BUT she is also still a real girl."

Penny's difference (being a robot) influences her in a negative way by making herself think she's not normal. The show makes it clear that her being a robot literally doesn't matter. She's still a real girl. By changing her to a human and her still being a real girl, it's driving the point home that her being a robot didn't matter at all, cause she was always a real girl and still is. Nowhere does the show make her being a robot a significant part of her. The whole point is that it's not a significant part of her, cause she's just as much of a real girl as anyone else.

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If the arc is “you’re a real girl, even if you’re different” then the differences are an important part of the arc. You can say that her robotic nature made her feel like she was less normal, but that’s also something people who are “different” experience especially ones who are young adults.

I’ve known many people who grew up worrying about being gay, or having autism, or who were worried about how they looked because of heterochromia or albinism. But ultimately those “differences” are still a part of them, and stripping those away would still change how they felt about themselves. But even beyond that, you’ve slipped up there.

You’ve gone from saying Penny’s robotic parts didn’t matter, to saying it’s good that they’re gone, because they just worried Penny. But that’s still changing something about Penny’s life, that means her parts do matter for her character. You also claimed that Penny was simply experiencing heat… which doesn’t make sense given the line she says is “do hugs always make you feel so warm inside” implying it’s an emotional reaction, not a physical reaction she’s feeling. She’s feeling something different emotionally, and asked for clarification because it’s something she hasn’t felt before.

[goldsrc-hl1]

Yeah... And by showing that she's exactly the same even with the difference removed it drives the point home that the difference never mattered in the first place because she was always a real girl. Do you not understand that?

Removing Penny's robot parts doesn't change how she feels about herself. She still loves hugs, she just feels heat coming from inside her body lol. The whole point is that even if her difference never existed, she's still the same, because that difference doesn't define who she is. She is herself, Penny Polendina, no matter what. If she's a robot or a human, she's the same girl, and the difference of her being a robot shouldn't impact how she acts.

And, lo and behold, it doesn't.

Never said that it's good they were gone. It's good they're gone cause she was literally being controlled by a virus and having her free will violated over and over, but her robotic nature wasn't something she was insecure about after Volume 2.

"do hugs always make you feel so warm inside" is referring to her body, her insides, literally giving off heat. Even if it wasn't, it's literally just her being happy that she's no longer being controlled by a virus.

Changing who she physically is, what she's made out of, doesn't matter. She's still Penny. Her being a robot SHOULDN'T define her. She should be accepted no matter what she is, and her being accepted in both forms and her robot parts being seen as just extra to her regular personality shows that she's not being treated any differently because she's a robot, cause her being a robot isn't what makes her, well, her.

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My guy, the phrase “warm inside” when applied to something you like generally means it makes you happy. Like a boyfriend who loves you makes you feel warm inside, or a nice ice cream you like makes you feel warm inside. If it was about body heat, it would have been “do hugs always make you feel so warm” or “do hugs always make you feel so hot”.

The phrasing of the line also plays into this, as if Penny was merely happy about being able to feel like this again… she would have said that. Writing the line as a question after a character undergoes a transformation in most media implies the sensation is a new sensation. So “do hugs always make you feel so warm inside” means “do hugs always make you feel so happy”, and it’s a new sensation she feels… after losing the robot parts.

I’m sure you can figure out the implication that makes about any differences between her robot form and her “real girl” form, right?

[goldsrc-hl1]

Once again, no. Even if it isn't literal heat, it's her being happy that she's no longer being controlled by Ironwood.

If you're already happy about something, chances are something else that makes you happy is gonna make you happier than it normally would.

For Penny, hugging someone makes her happy. But, hugging someone after being freed from being controlled by Ironwood makes her happier than just a hug would, so it's something new lol.

I'm sure you can figure out that there are no implications lol. She's happy about not being controlled anymore. She's still the same Penny she was before, only this time she has control over herself and is no longer able to be controlled by Ironwood.

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If she was happy about not being controlled, she would refer to how it feels great to experience this again, or that it’s better than she remembered. Not that it’s an entirely unfamiliar feeling to her, because obviously if she was feeling this as a robot it wouldn’t be unfamiliar.

You seem to have a rigid idea of what is right; while also not understanding how important specific aspects of dialogue are, nor how keying dialogue at specific moments creates a meaning. Unless your answer is that Rooster Teeth wrote the dialogue wrong and that your interpretation is right despite not matching with how the scene flows.

[goldsrc-hl1]

She hasn't experienced the happiness of being free from being controlled by a computer virus before, therefore this is new to her. It has nothing to do with her becoming human. She's still the same Penny she was before.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?

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Because the show’s dialogue and flow of the scene don’t agree with your assessment. You keep assigning things that “must” be true despite not lining up with what phrases are used. Like how it’s just about body heat despite being described in a way most Americans wouldn’t phrase it.

It’s hard for me to understand your assessment because you have no evidence and are working against the text of the show you insulted people and claimed they didn’t watch. If you want to back up your interpretation of the text with evidence for why that is, I’d be glad to hear it. I’m merely providing the most literally reading of the text possible after all.

[goldsrc-hl1]

good lord...

Penny: Do hugs always make you feel this warm inside?

Now, why would she be asking this? Nothing else changes about her personality, feelings, or really anything except her physical appearance after she is turned into a human... so why is this 100% a result of her being a human?

She's just been freed of Ironwood's control, and she can now think for herself. Bear in mind that she's been under Ironwood's control since WAAAAY before the literal virus control. Her arc in 7-8 isn't about her being accepted, that was her arc in v2. Her arc in v7-8 is about her gaining independence. Throughout both of these volumes she's constantly told what to do, by Ironwood, her father, and even Team RWBY.

But now, she's put all of that behind her. She's been freed, and she can act for herself now. Everything she does after this is of her own volition, mind you. She's told to go to Vacuo, but she stays and fights to protect her friends. When she's dying, she decides to sacrifice herself in order to give Winter the maiden powers and stop Cinder from getting them.

Her turning human is done to symbolize that she's not under anyone's control anymore, not that her headcanon neurodivergence is gone. That's why she acts differently. Because she's finally free of the control of others, literally (virus) and figuratively (making decisions on her own).

As such, she feels different. She's overjoyed, she can finally be herself now, and hugs make her even happier now that she's free.

Want evidence of this arc happening? Lemme get a whole list of all the times she's told what to do.

Clover: No. Worse. You two with me. Penny, stay put and keep an eye on our six. We may need an element of surprise.

Gets ordered around by Clover

Ruby: Invite's still open if you want in. Penny's gonna be working security.

Ordered to act as security at Robyn's rally

Marrow: Penny, you need to get to Atlas. Backup's on the way.

Ordered to get out of Mantle

Ironwood: As the official report stated, that footage was doctored. Penny is completely under my control.

Ironwood quite literally says it in front of her

Pietro: Ahem. This process is a... little complicated. So I'm remoting into Penny from Amity Colosseum.

Penny gets literally controlled by Pietro to get Amity ready for takeoff

Marrow: You could stop all of this, Penny. Just open the vault, hand over the relic, and you'll save Atlas.

Once again gets told what to do, refuses and starts to gain more autonomy

Pietro: Penny, we are not having this conversation again. I'm your father and I'm telling you that you belong on Amity.

Her father tells her where she belongs, she refuses and helps get Amity up into the sky

Maria: Don't you think Penny has had enough people telling her what to do?

Maria's comment here shows that others are aware that she's always being told what to do

After this she quite literally has a virus controlling her and forcing her to go to the vault

After she's changed into a real girl, she decides not to go to Vacuo and sacrifices herself. The whole thing about her being happier now is because she's freed from control.

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If I were to be blunt, this doesn’t actually disprove anything I’ve said. You’ve provided the character arc leading Penny up to that moment, but nothing to actually disprove how the scene is laid out. Penny undergoes a transformation, and asks about a new sensation that based on the phrasing has never been experienced before. Narratively, that points to more than just her physical appearance changing because that type of dialogue isn’t typically used in this manner.

Also like, you just walked yourself back to why people have a problem with the arc Penny has. Penny is only “free” when she gives up her differences and becomes just like everyone else. Penny is only a danger to her friends and herself because she is different. This idea that her differences only hurt herself and other people is a pretty toxic message to give to… literally any sort of minority ever.

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“Magic isn’t real” said the character who is just a Final Fantasy Summoner.

“Magic isn’t real” says the character who fought a man who can make three duplicates of himself with color coded clothing.

“Magic isn’t real” says the character whose partner’s uncle has an ability that literally rewrites probability without him trying.

“Magic isn’t real” says the character whose professor just... does magic in the first episode and is never shown to do it again.

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Only difference between magic and semblances / dust is that semblances / dust are normalized. You can literally talk to someone on the other side of the planet with a device the size of your palm, yet you would certainly find being able to talk to someone on the other side of the planet using only your mind to be magic lmfao

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Of course, which is why magic is stuff that is entirely replaceable with Dust and Semblances except for turning into birds. Which was the main point of this post, the sheer lack of a distinguishing factor between Magic, Dusts and Semblances means that the reaction is both over-exaggerated for something that ultimately isn’t that impressive, and is also for something that practically doesn’t need to exist within the story.

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RWBY: Penny isn't a human girl, but a robot girl. She even tells Ruby she isn't a real girl because of this, but Ruby reasures her by saying she is, because her being made from metal parts doesn't make her less real than her. Penny is a real girl no matter what, even if her body is metal.

Also RWBY: We made Penny human. Ambrosius wonders what will be left of her once he removes the metal parts, since y'know Penny is a robot. Team RWBY are not concerned about this, because the real Penny is underneath her metal body - her soul :) Penny's body isn't part of her identity of who she is, it's just an extra, like Yang's arm, who is the one to call metal parts an extra :)

RWBY: A character named Winter Schnee with icy personality is planned to become the next...wait for it...Winter Maiden. But instead of that happening, Penny inherits the powers, becoming the next Winter Maiden.

Also RWBY: Winter becomes the new...wait for it...Winter Maiden after Penny dies. Who would have seen that coming?

RWBY: Ruby cares about Penny very much and was horried by her death and despite not knowing her for too long, calls her a friend.

Also RWBY: Ruby along with others, pass by Penny with virus body, not paying much attention to it, not being bothered to see it wither away. Who cares, the REAL Penny is next to them :)

[goldsrc-hl1]

Why would you care about the malfunctioning virus penny when the soul, the thing that made Penny who she is, is right next to you in a physical form. Why would that matter.

Penny is a real girl no matter what. Whether her body is metal or flesh, she's a real girl. That's... the whole point of it.

They worked with her for months in Atlas and Penny and Ruby had plenty of bonding in V2-V3.

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It’s almost like “being a robot” was a core part of who the real Penny was, and calling her mechanical parts “extra” when it was a fundamental part of her existence is gross and works against the message the show had established with Penny when they first revealed she was a robot. Back then being mechanical was just how she was, like how Blake was a Faunus. But now the metal parts are “extra”, because CRWBY decided it was gonna start being super ableist.

Its gross that the show implies she’s “better” than she was before because now she can emotions and feel good when hugging someone (which is gross and ultimately feels like it contradicts Penny’s existence as a robot with a soul anyways).

The point is not that her becoming human changed her as a person in some fundamental form, it’s because it undermines the point of “you’re a real girl, even if you’re not made up of squishy gut stuff”. It’s gross that we can just say “those are extra” and throw away a core part of Penny’s existence as a person.

Meanwhile if you suggested Blake should just give up her ears and be a human (something the show would go on a do), most people would rightfully say that’s not something you should do!

[goldsrc-hl1]

No, the robot parts were never a core part of what Penny was. Ruby literally says that her being a robot doesn't matter, that she's real regardless.

Ruby: Of course you are. You think just because you've got nuts and bolts instead of squishy guts makes you any less real than me?

Penny: I don't... um... You're... taking this extraordinarily well.

Ruby: You're not like those things we saw back there. You've got a heart, and a soul; I can feel it!

Penny: Ooohh... oh Ruby! You're the best friend anyone could have!

The show never even once says that Penny's mechanical parts are a core part of her. What makes her, well, her, is her heart (symbolism for kindness) and her soul (symbolism for personality and all that stuff). Her being a robot doesn't matter cause she has both, her robotic parts aren't her, her soul and heart is her. Nowhere, not even once, does it say that her robotic parts are a fundamental part of her.

It's not ableist whatsoever. It's completely consistent with itself and it's message.

Her robotic parts are extra. She's still a real girl whether or not she's flesh or robotic. Being a robot ISN'T fundamental to her, that's the whole point. Her being a robot doesn't matter whatsoever, cause she's still a real girl. It's supposed to not be a core part of Penny's existence as a person.

Did you even watch the show?

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The robotics of Penny are entirely a core of her character. Because Penny being a robot shaped how she experiences the world, because being a robot is to Penny like being a Faunus is to Blake. Saying “the metal parts are extra” to someone who has lived their entire life as a robot is the equivalent of saying “well the ears are just extra” to Blake.

Because again, Penny is a real girl but a real girl who experiences the world differently from others. She can fly, she’s got heat vision, she processes things different from someone like Ruby. That is ultimately the crux of what Penny’s character is. She’s a girl who experiences the world differently, who was never demonized for being different… until the show decided metal parts are just “extra” to a person.

As soon as Penny becomes a “real girl” from her experience with the Blue Genie, she starts to process the world differently. She asks if hugs “always make you feel warm in your chest like this”, implying that she didn’t feel that when she was a robot. This affirms that Penny was neurodivergent before, and now she’s “just like everyone else”.

How is it not ableist to have a character whose arc is about being just as much of a real girl as everyone else, despite processing the world differently, and then ENDING THE ARC BY ERASING THAT ASPECT OF HER?

[goldsrc-hl1]

No, it's not that at all. Her being a robot is not a core part of her, her personality is what makes her who she is, not the robot parts.

Blake's ears are an indicator of her race and her culture and background. That's very different from a robot. The whole point of Penny being a robot is that she shouldn't be treated differently for being a robot, because she's still a real girl. Her being a robot doesn't matter whatsoever.

She was never demonized for being different, and has never been. She's a real girl no matter what. If she's a robot, she's a real girl, if she's a literal real girl, she's a real girl.

Her robot parts aren't what define her. She's more than just a robot. Boiling her down to being a robot is undermining her humanity.

Penny was never neurodivergent. That's a headcanon. Don't get pissed because of a headcanon, that's peak stupidity. She liked hugs before, and likes hugs after. She's the same Penny before and after.

The whole point of her arc is that her being a robot doesn't matter. She's a real girl no matter what. By turning her into a real girl and her acting exactly the same and everyone treating her exactly the same, it clarifies even more that her being a robot didn't matter, cause she's a real girl no matter what.

Please, please, please do not use the "Penny is neurodivergent" headcanon to back up your shitty criticism. That is a headcanon.

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“By turning her into a real girl, and her acting exactly the same-“ SHE ACTIVELY ASKS QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY THINGS FEEL DIFFERENT. Being a “real girl” literally alters her ability to perceive reality and feel feelings. You can say “Penny’s neurodivergence is a headcanon”, but the show actively points out that in her human body she experiences the world differently.

Penny as a robot couldn’t feel the “warmth” in her chest from hugging people, but Penny as a “real girl” can. Penny as a robot couldn’t feel the grass under her feet, but Penny as a “real girl” can. She literally comes out the other side of the transformation feeling and experiencing stimulus in a different way from when she was a robot. Trying to argue that Penny being a robot isn’t a core part of her character entirely dismisses the show’s text that as a real girl she is experiencing things differently than she was before.

You can claim I’m “undermining her humanity” by saying her robotics did play a part in her character, but here’s the thing. How you perceive the world often has an impact on your personality. Penny by existing as something that is not Human or Faunus, has a unique perspective on the world, which is part of why she believes she is not a real girl initially. She can act happy, but according to the show’s text she’s feeling happy in a different way from everyone else. Because she doesn’t feel a warmth in her chest, and she doesn’t understand “all the feels” of being human.

Your argument is that Penny’s identity as a robot doesn’t matter, because she’s still a real girl even as a robot. This conclusion is actually at odds with what the show initially said. Penny’s robotic nature matters because the theme of her arc is “even if you are different, you are still a person” an idea that necessitates the acknowledgement that Penny is different and that her differences make her who she is BUT she is also still a real girl.

[goldsrc-hl1]

Hugs are warmer now because, you know, she's a person who now gives off heat. She didn't do that as a robot. She still loves hugs, loves all the same things, she just feels heat now cause she's a human.

The ability to give off heat from your body is not a fundamental factor of what makes you you. If your personality is based off of your body's ability to give off heat then I am extremely sorry for you.

Nowhere is it said that Penny can't feel grass.

The only thing she's experiencing differently is warmth. Everything else is the same. She's the same Penny she was before.

Once gain, stop using the neurodivergent headcanon for her. It's a headcanon.

Her being a robot influences how she became who she is, because it makes her unconfident in herself and her humanity. That shouldn't be the case. It shouldn't matter if she's a robot or not. She's still a real girl, no matter what, and the show goes along with this.

Her mentality, personality, everything other than her literal physical touch, is still exactly the same. She's the same Penny she was before, because her being a robot didn't matter. She's the same Penny she always was.

"Penny’s robotic nature matters because the theme of her arc is “even if you are different, you are still a person” an idea that necessitates the acknowledgement that Penny is different and that her differences make her who she is BUT she is also still a real girl."

Penny's difference (being a robot) influences her in a negative way by making herself think she's not normal. The show makes it clear that her being a robot literally doesn't matter. She's still a real girl. By changing her to a human and her still being a real girl, it's driving the point home that her being a robot didn't matter at all, cause she was always a real girl and still is. Nowhere does the show make her being a robot a significant part of her. The whole point is that it's not a significant part of her, cause she's just as much of a real girl as anyone else.

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If the arc is “you’re a real girl, even if you’re different” then the differences are an important part of the arc. You can say that her robotic nature made her feel like she was less normal, but that’s also something people who are “different” experience especially ones who are young adults.

I’ve known many people who grew up worrying about being gay, or having autism, or who were worried about how they looked because of heterochromia or albinism. But ultimately those “differences” are still a part of them, and stripping those away would still change how they felt about themselves. But even beyond that, you’ve slipped up there.

You’ve gone from saying Penny’s robotic parts didn’t matter, to saying it’s good that they’re gone, because they just worried Penny. But that’s still changing something about Penny’s life, that means her parts do matter for her character. You also claimed that Penny was simply experiencing heat… which doesn’t make sense given the line she says is “do hugs always make you feel so warm inside” implying it’s an emotional reaction, not a physical reaction she’s feeling. She’s feeling something different emotionally, and asked for clarification because it’s something she hasn’t felt before.

[goldsrc-hl1]

Yeah... And by showing that she's exactly the same even with the difference removed it drives the point home that the difference never mattered in the first place because she was always a real girl. Do you not understand that?

Removing Penny's robot parts doesn't change how she feels about herself. She still loves hugs, she just feels heat coming from inside her body lol. The whole point is that even if her difference never existed, she's still the same, because that difference doesn't define who she is. She is herself, Penny Polendina, no matter what. If she's a robot or a human, she's the same girl, and the difference of her being a robot shouldn't impact how she acts.

And, lo and behold, it doesn't.

Never said that it's good they were gone. It's good they're gone cause she was literally being controlled by a virus and having her free will violated over and over, but her robotic nature wasn't something she was insecure about after Volume 2.

"do hugs always make you feel so warm inside" is referring to her body, her insides, literally giving off heat. Even if it wasn't, it's literally just her being happy that she's no longer being controlled by a virus.

Changing who she physically is, what she's made out of, doesn't matter. She's still Penny. Her being a robot SHOULDN'T define her. She should be accepted no matter what she is, and her being accepted in both forms and her robot parts being seen as just extra to her regular personality shows that she's not being treated any differently because she's a robot, cause her being a robot isn't what makes her, well, her.

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My guy, the phrase “warm inside” when applied to something you like generally means it makes you happy. Like a boyfriend who loves you makes you feel warm inside, or a nice ice cream you like makes you feel warm inside. If it was about body heat, it would have been “do hugs always make you feel so warm” or “do hugs always make you feel so hot”.

The phrasing of the line also plays into this, as if Penny was merely happy about being able to feel like this again… she would have said that. Writing the line as a question after a character undergoes a transformation in most media implies the sensation is a new sensation. So “do hugs always make you feel so warm inside” means “do hugs always make you feel so happy”, and it’s a new sensation she feels… after losing the robot parts.

I’m sure you can figure out the implication that makes about any differences between her robot form and her “real girl” form, right?

[goldsrc-hl1]

Once again, no. Even if it isn't literal heat, it's her being happy that she's no longer being controlled by Ironwood.

If you're already happy about something, chances are something else that makes you happy is gonna make you happier than it normally would.

For Penny, hugging someone makes her happy. But, hugging someone after being freed from being controlled by Ironwood makes her happier than just a hug would, so it's something new lol.

I'm sure you can figure out that there are no implications lol. She's happy about not being controlled anymore. She's still the same Penny she was before, only this time she has control over herself and is no longer able to be controlled by Ironwood.

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If she was happy about not being controlled, she would refer to how it feels great to experience this again, or that it’s better than she remembered. Not that it’s an entirely unfamiliar feeling to her, because obviously if she was feeling this as a robot it wouldn’t be unfamiliar.

You seem to have a rigid idea of what is right; while also not understanding how important specific aspects of dialogue are, nor how keying dialogue at specific moments creates a meaning. Unless your answer is that Rooster Teeth wrote the dialogue wrong and that your interpretation is right despite not matching with how the scene flows.

[goldsrc-hl1]

She hasn't experienced the happiness of being free from being controlled by a computer virus before, therefore this is new to her. It has nothing to do with her becoming human. She's still the same Penny she was before.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?

[rwde-chibi]

Because the show’s dialogue and flow of the scene don’t agree with your assessment. You keep assigning things that “must” be true despite not lining up with what phrases are used. Like how it’s just about body heat despite being described in a way most Americans wouldn’t phrase it.

It’s hard for me to understand your assessment because you have no evidence and are working against the text of the show you insulted people and claimed they didn’t watch. If you want to back up your interpretation of the text with evidence for why that is, I’d be glad to hear it. I’m merely providing the most literally reading of the text possible after all.

[randombook4idk-deactivated20241]

RWBY: Penny isn't a human girl, but a robot girl. She even tells Ruby she isn't a real girl because of this, but Ruby reasures her by saying she is, because her being made from metal parts doesn't make her less real than her. Penny is a real girl no matter what, even if her body is metal.

Also RWBY: We made Penny human. Ambrosius wonders what will be left of her once he removes the metal parts, since y'know Penny is a robot. Team RWBY are not concerned about this, because the real Penny is underneath her metal body - her soul :) Penny's body isn't part of her identity of who she is, it's just an extra, like Yang's arm, who is the one to call metal parts an extra :)

RWBY: A character named Winter Schnee with icy personality is planned to become the next...wait for it...Winter Maiden. But instead of that happening, Penny inherits the powers, becoming the next Winter Maiden.

Also RWBY: Winter becomes the new...wait for it...Winter Maiden after Penny dies. Who would have seen that coming?

RWBY: Ruby cares about Penny very much and was horried by her death and despite not knowing her for too long, calls her a friend.

Also RWBY: Ruby along with others, pass by Penny with virus body, not paying much attention to it, not being bothered to see it wither away. Who cares, the REAL Penny is next to them :)

[goldsrc-hl1]

Why would you care about the malfunctioning virus penny when the soul, the thing that made Penny who she is, is right next to you in a physical form. Why would that matter.

Penny is a real girl no matter what. Whether her body is metal or flesh, she's a real girl. That's... the whole point of it.

They worked with her for months in Atlas and Penny and Ruby had plenty of bonding in V2-V3.

[rwde-chibi]

It’s almost like “being a robot” was a core part of who the real Penny was, and calling her mechanical parts “extra” when it was a fundamental part of her existence is gross and works against the message the show had established with Penny when they first revealed she was a robot. Back then being mechanical was just how she was, like how Blake was a Faunus. But now the metal parts are “extra”, because CRWBY decided it was gonna start being super ableist.

Its gross that the show implies she’s “better” than she was before because now she can emotions and feel good when hugging someone (which is gross and ultimately feels like it contradicts Penny’s existence as a robot with a soul anyways).

The point is not that her becoming human changed her as a person in some fundamental form, it’s because it undermines the point of “you’re a real girl, even if you’re not made up of squishy gut stuff”. It’s gross that we can just say “those are extra” and throw away a core part of Penny’s existence as a person.

Meanwhile if you suggested Blake should just give up her ears and be a human (something the show would go on a do), most people would rightfully say that’s not something you should do!

[goldsrc-hl1]

No, the robot parts were never a core part of what Penny was. Ruby literally says that her being a robot doesn't matter, that she's real regardless.

Ruby: Of course you are. You think just because you've got nuts and bolts instead of squishy guts makes you any less real than me?

Penny: I don't... um... You're... taking this extraordinarily well.

Ruby: You're not like those things we saw back there. You've got a heart, and a soul; I can feel it!

Penny: Ooohh... oh Ruby! You're the best friend anyone could have!

The show never even once says that Penny's mechanical parts are a core part of her. What makes her, well, her, is her heart (symbolism for kindness) and her soul (symbolism for personality and all that stuff). Her being a robot doesn't matter cause she has both, her robotic parts aren't her, her soul and heart is her. Nowhere, not even once, does it say that her robotic parts are a fundamental part of her.

It's not ableist whatsoever. It's completely consistent with itself and it's message.

Her robotic parts are extra. She's still a real girl whether or not she's flesh or robotic. Being a robot ISN'T fundamental to her, that's the whole point. Her being a robot doesn't matter whatsoever, cause she's still a real girl. It's supposed to not be a core part of Penny's existence as a person.

Did you even watch the show?

[rwde-chibi]

The robotics of Penny are entirely a core of her character. Because Penny being a robot shaped how she experiences the world, because being a robot is to Penny like being a Faunus is to Blake. Saying “the metal parts are extra” to someone who has lived their entire life as a robot is the equivalent of saying “well the ears are just extra” to Blake.

Because again, Penny is a real girl but a real girl who experiences the world differently from others. She can fly, she’s got heat vision, she processes things different from someone like Ruby. That is ultimately the crux of what Penny’s character is. She’s a girl who experiences the world differently, who was never demonized for being different… until the show decided metal parts are just “extra” to a person.

As soon as Penny becomes a “real girl” from her experience with the Blue Genie, she starts to process the world differently. She asks if hugs “always make you feel warm in your chest like this”, implying that she didn’t feel that when she was a robot. This affirms that Penny was neurodivergent before, and now she’s “just like everyone else”.

How is it not ableist to have a character whose arc is about being just as much of a real girl as everyone else, despite processing the world differently, and then ENDING THE ARC BY ERASING THAT ASPECT OF HER?

[goldsrc-hl1]

No, it's not that at all. Her being a robot is not a core part of her, her personality is what makes her who she is, not the robot parts.

Blake's ears are an indicator of her race and her culture and background. That's very different from a robot. The whole point of Penny being a robot is that she shouldn't be treated differently for being a robot, because she's still a real girl. Her being a robot doesn't matter whatsoever.

She was never demonized for being different, and has never been. She's a real girl no matter what. If she's a robot, she's a real girl, if she's a literal real girl, she's a real girl.

Her robot parts aren't what define her. She's more than just a robot. Boiling her down to being a robot is undermining her humanity.

Penny was never neurodivergent. That's a headcanon. Don't get pissed because of a headcanon, that's peak stupidity. She liked hugs before, and likes hugs after. She's the same Penny before and after.

The whole point of her arc is that her being a robot doesn't matter. She's a real girl no matter what. By turning her into a real girl and her acting exactly the same and everyone treating her exactly the same, it clarifies even more that her being a robot didn't matter, cause she's a real girl no matter what.

Please, please, please do not use the "Penny is neurodivergent" headcanon to back up your shitty criticism. That is a headcanon.

[rwde-chibi]

“By turning her into a real girl, and her acting exactly the same-“ SHE ACTIVELY ASKS QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY THINGS FEEL DIFFERENT. Being a “real girl” literally alters her ability to perceive reality and feel feelings. You can say “Penny’s neurodivergence is a headcanon”, but the show actively points out that in her human body she experiences the world differently.

Penny as a robot couldn’t feel the “warmth” in her chest from hugging people, but Penny as a “real girl” can. Penny as a robot couldn’t feel the grass under her feet, but Penny as a “real girl” can. She literally comes out the other side of the transformation feeling and experiencing stimulus in a different way from when she was a robot. Trying to argue that Penny being a robot isn’t a core part of her character entirely dismisses the show’s text that as a real girl she is experiencing things differently than she was before.

You can claim I’m “undermining her humanity” by saying her robotics did play a part in her character, but here’s the thing. How you perceive the world often has an impact on your personality. Penny by existing as something that is not Human or Faunus, has a unique perspective on the world, which is part of why she believes she is not a real girl initially. She can act happy, but according to the show’s text she’s feeling happy in a different way from everyone else. Because she doesn’t feel a warmth in her chest, and she doesn’t understand “all the feels” of being human.

Your argument is that Penny’s identity as a robot doesn’t matter, because she’s still a real girl even as a robot. This conclusion is actually at odds with what the show initially said. Penny’s robotic nature matters because the theme of her arc is “even if you are different, you are still a person” an idea that necessitates the acknowledgement that Penny is different and that her differences make her who she is BUT she is also still a real girl.

[goldsrc-hl1]

Hugs are warmer now because, you know, she's a person who now gives off heat. She didn't do that as a robot. She still loves hugs, loves all the same things, she just feels heat now cause she's a human.

The ability to give off heat from your body is not a fundamental factor of what makes you you. If your personality is based off of your body's ability to give off heat then I am extremely sorry for you.

Nowhere is it said that Penny can't feel grass.

The only thing she's experiencing differently is warmth. Everything else is the same. She's the same Penny she was before.

Once gain, stop using the neurodivergent headcanon for her. It's a headcanon.

Her being a robot influences how she became who she is, because it makes her unconfident in herself and her humanity. That shouldn't be the case. It shouldn't matter if she's a robot or not. She's still a real girl, no matter what, and the show goes along with this.

Her mentality, personality, everything other than her literal physical touch, is still exactly the same. She's the same Penny she was before, because her being a robot didn't matter. She's the same Penny she always was.

"Penny’s robotic nature matters because the theme of her arc is “even if you are different, you are still a person” an idea that necessitates the acknowledgement that Penny is different and that her differences make her who she is BUT she is also still a real girl."

Penny's difference (being a robot) influences her in a negative way by making herself think she's not normal. The show makes it clear that her being a robot literally doesn't matter. She's still a real girl. By changing her to a human and her still being a real girl, it's driving the point home that her being a robot didn't matter at all, cause she was always a real girl and still is. Nowhere does the show make her being a robot a significant part of her. The whole point is that it's not a significant part of her, cause she's just as much of a real girl as anyone else.

[rwde-chibi]

If the arc is “you’re a real girl, even if you’re different” then the differences are an important part of the arc. You can say that her robotic nature made her feel like she was less normal, but that’s also something people who are “different” experience especially ones who are young adults.

I’ve known many people who grew up worrying about being gay, or having autism, or who were worried about how they looked because of heterochromia or albinism. But ultimately those “differences” are still a part of them, and stripping those away would still change how they felt about themselves. But even beyond that, you’ve slipped up there.

You’ve gone from saying Penny’s robotic parts didn’t matter, to saying it’s good that they’re gone, because they just worried Penny. But that’s still changing something about Penny’s life, that means her parts do matter for her character. You also claimed that Penny was simply experiencing heat… which doesn’t make sense given the line she says is “do hugs always make you feel so warm inside” implying it’s an emotional reaction, not a physical reaction she’s feeling. She’s feeling something different emotionally, and asked for clarification because it’s something she hasn’t felt before.

[goldsrc-hl1]

Yeah... And by showing that she's exactly the same even with the difference removed it drives the point home that the difference never mattered in the first place because she was always a real girl. Do you not understand that?

Removing Penny's robot parts doesn't change how she feels about herself. She still loves hugs, she just feels heat coming from inside her body lol. The whole point is that even if her difference never existed, she's still the same, because that difference doesn't define who she is. She is herself, Penny Polendina, no matter what. If she's a robot or a human, she's the same girl, and the difference of her being a robot shouldn't impact how she acts.

And, lo and behold, it doesn't.

Never said that it's good they were gone. It's good they're gone cause she was literally being controlled by a virus and having her free will violated over and over, but her robotic nature wasn't something she was insecure about after Volume 2.

"do hugs always make you feel so warm inside" is referring to her body, her insides, literally giving off heat. Even if it wasn't, it's literally just her being happy that she's no longer being controlled by a virus.

Changing who she physically is, what she's made out of, doesn't matter. She's still Penny. Her being a robot SHOULDN'T define her. She should be accepted no matter what she is, and her being accepted in both forms and her robot parts being seen as just extra to her regular personality shows that she's not being treated any differently because she's a robot, cause her being a robot isn't what makes her, well, her.

[rwde-chibi]

My guy, the phrase “warm inside” when applied to something you like generally means it makes you happy. Like a boyfriend who loves you makes you feel warm inside, or a nice ice cream you like makes you feel warm inside. If it was about body heat, it would have been “do hugs always make you feel so warm” or “do hugs always make you feel so hot”.

The phrasing of the line also plays into this, as if Penny was merely happy about being able to feel like this again… she would have said that. Writing the line as a question after a character undergoes a transformation in most media implies the sensation is a new sensation. So “do hugs always make you feel so warm inside” means “do hugs always make you feel so happy”, and it’s a new sensation she feels… after losing the robot parts.

I’m sure you can figure out the implication that makes about any differences between her robot form and her “real girl” form, right?

[goldsrc-hl1]

Once again, no. Even if it isn't literal heat, it's her being happy that she's no longer being controlled by Ironwood.

If you're already happy about something, chances are something else that makes you happy is gonna make you happier than it normally would.

For Penny, hugging someone makes her happy. But, hugging someone after being freed from being controlled by Ironwood makes her happier than just a hug would, so it's something new lol.

I'm sure you can figure out that there are no implications lol. She's happy about not being controlled anymore. She's still the same Penny she was before, only this time she has control over herself and is no longer able to be controlled by Ironwood.

[rwde-chibi]

If she was happy about not being controlled, she would refer to how it feels great to experience this again, or that it’s better than she remembered. Not that it’s an entirely unfamiliar feeling to her, because obviously if she was feeling this as a robot it wouldn’t be unfamiliar.

You seem to have a rigid idea of what is right; while also not understanding how important specific aspects of dialogue are, nor how keying dialogue at specific moments creates a meaning. Unless your answer is that Rooster Teeth wrote the dialogue wrong and that your interpretation is right despite not matching with how the scene flows.

[randombook4idk-deactivated20241]

RWBY: Penny isn't a human girl, but a robot girl. She even tells Ruby she isn't a real girl because of this, but Ruby reasures her by saying she is, because her being made from metal parts doesn't make her less real than her. Penny is a real girl no matter what, even if her body is metal.

Also RWBY: We made Penny human. Ambrosius wonders what will be left of her once he removes the metal parts, since y'know Penny is a robot. Team RWBY are not concerned about this, because the real Penny is underneath her metal body - her soul :) Penny's body isn't part of her identity of who she is, it's just an extra, like Yang's arm, who is the one to call metal parts an extra :)

RWBY: A character named Winter Schnee with icy personality is planned to become the next...wait for it...Winter Maiden. But instead of that happening, Penny inherits the powers, becoming the next Winter Maiden.

Also RWBY: Winter becomes the new...wait for it...Winter Maiden after Penny dies. Who would have seen that coming?

RWBY: Ruby cares about Penny very much and was horried by her death and despite not knowing her for too long, calls her a friend.

Also RWBY: Ruby along with others, pass by Penny with virus body, not paying much attention to it, not being bothered to see it wither away. Who cares, the REAL Penny is next to them :)

[goldsrc-hl1]

Why would you care about the malfunctioning virus penny when the soul, the thing that made Penny who she is, is right next to you in a physical form. Why would that matter.

Penny is a real girl no matter what. Whether her body is metal or flesh, she's a real girl. That's... the whole point of it.

They worked with her for months in Atlas and Penny and Ruby had plenty of bonding in V2-V3.

[rwde-chibi]

It’s almost like “being a robot” was a core part of who the real Penny was, and calling her mechanical parts “extra” when it was a fundamental part of her existence is gross and works against the message the show had established with Penny when they first revealed she was a robot. Back then being mechanical was just how she was, like how Blake was a Faunus. But now the metal parts are “extra”, because CRWBY decided it was gonna start being super ableist.

Its gross that the show implies she’s “better” than she was before because now she can emotions and feel good when hugging someone (which is gross and ultimately feels like it contradicts Penny’s existence as a robot with a soul anyways).

The point is not that her becoming human changed her as a person in some fundamental form, it’s because it undermines the point of “you’re a real girl, even if you’re not made up of squishy gut stuff”. It’s gross that we can just say “those are extra” and throw away a core part of Penny’s existence as a person.

Meanwhile if you suggested Blake should just give up her ears and be a human (something the show would go on a do), most people would rightfully say that’s not something you should do!

[goldsrc-hl1]

No, the robot parts were never a core part of what Penny was. Ruby literally says that her being a robot doesn't matter, that she's real regardless.

Ruby: Of course you are. You think just because you've got nuts and bolts instead of squishy guts makes you any less real than me?

Penny: I don't... um... You're... taking this extraordinarily well.

Ruby: You're not like those things we saw back there. You've got a heart, and a soul; I can feel it!

Penny: Ooohh... oh Ruby! You're the best friend anyone could have!

The show never even once says that Penny's mechanical parts are a core part of her. What makes her, well, her, is her heart (symbolism for kindness) and her soul (symbolism for personality and all that stuff). Her being a robot doesn't matter cause she has both, her robotic parts aren't her, her soul and heart is her. Nowhere, not even once, does it say that her robotic parts are a fundamental part of her.

It's not ableist whatsoever. It's completely consistent with itself and it's message.

Her robotic parts are extra. She's still a real girl whether or not she's flesh or robotic. Being a robot ISN'T fundamental to her, that's the whole point. Her being a robot doesn't matter whatsoever, cause she's still a real girl. It's supposed to not be a core part of Penny's existence as a person.

Did you even watch the show?

[rwde-chibi]

The robotics of Penny are entirely a core of her character. Because Penny being a robot shaped how she experiences the world, because being a robot is to Penny like being a Faunus is to Blake. Saying “the metal parts are extra” to someone who has lived their entire life as a robot is the equivalent of saying “well the ears are just extra” to Blake.

Because again, Penny is a real girl but a real girl who experiences the world differently from others. She can fly, she’s got heat vision, she processes things different from someone like Ruby. That is ultimately the crux of what Penny’s character is. She’s a girl who experiences the world differently, who was never demonized for being different… until the show decided metal parts are just “extra” to a person.

As soon as Penny becomes a “real girl” from her experience with the Blue Genie, she starts to process the world differently. She asks if hugs “always make you feel warm in your chest like this”, implying that she didn’t feel that when she was a robot. This affirms that Penny was neurodivergent before, and now she’s “just like everyone else”.

How is it not ableist to have a character whose arc is about being just as much of a real girl as everyone else, despite processing the world differently, and then ENDING THE ARC BY ERASING THAT ASPECT OF HER?

[goldsrc-hl1]

No, it's not that at all. Her being a robot is not a core part of her, her personality is what makes her who she is, not the robot parts.

Blake's ears are an indicator of her race and her culture and background. That's very different from a robot. The whole point of Penny being a robot is that she shouldn't be treated differently for being a robot, because she's still a real girl. Her being a robot doesn't matter whatsoever.

She was never demonized for being different, and has never been. She's a real girl no matter what. If she's a robot, she's a real girl, if she's a literal real girl, she's a real girl.

Her robot parts aren't what define her. She's more than just a robot. Boiling her down to being a robot is undermining her humanity.

Penny was never neurodivergent. That's a headcanon. Don't get pissed because of a headcanon, that's peak stupidity. She liked hugs before, and likes hugs after. She's the same Penny before and after.

The whole point of her arc is that her being a robot doesn't matter. She's a real girl no matter what. By turning her into a real girl and her acting exactly the same and everyone treating her exactly the same, it clarifies even more that her being a robot didn't matter, cause she's a real girl no matter what.

Please, please, please do not use the "Penny is neurodivergent" headcanon to back up your shitty criticism. That is a headcanon.

[rwde-chibi]

“By turning her into a real girl, and her acting exactly the same-“ SHE ACTIVELY ASKS QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY THINGS FEEL DIFFERENT. Being a “real girl” literally alters her ability to perceive reality and feel feelings. You can say “Penny’s neurodivergence is a headcanon”, but the show actively points out that in her human body she experiences the world differently.

Penny as a robot couldn’t feel the “warmth” in her chest from hugging people, but Penny as a “real girl” can. Penny as a robot couldn’t feel the grass under her feet, but Penny as a “real girl” can. She literally comes out the other side of the transformation feeling and experiencing stimulus in a different way from when she was a robot. Trying to argue that Penny being a robot isn’t a core part of her character entirely dismisses the show’s text that as a real girl she is experiencing things differently than she was before.

You can claim I’m “undermining her humanity” by saying her robotics did play a part in her character, but here’s the thing. How you perceive the world often has an impact on your personality. Penny by existing as something that is not Human or Faunus, has a unique perspective on the world, which is part of why she believes she is not a real girl initially. She can act happy, but according to the show’s text she’s feeling happy in a different way from everyone else. Because she doesn’t feel a warmth in her chest, and she doesn’t understand “all the feels” of being human.

Your argument is that Penny’s identity as a robot doesn’t matter, because she’s still a real girl even as a robot. This conclusion is actually at odds with what the show initially said. Penny’s robotic nature matters because the theme of her arc is “even if you are different, you are still a person” an idea that necessitates the acknowledgement that Penny is different and that her differences make her who she is BUT she is also still a real girl.

[goldsrc-hl1]

Hugs are warmer now because, you know, she's a person who now gives off heat. She didn't do that as a robot. She still loves hugs, loves all the same things, she just feels heat now cause she's a human.

The ability to give off heat from your body is not a fundamental factor of what makes you you. If your personality is based off of your body's ability to give off heat then I am extremely sorry for you.

Nowhere is it said that Penny can't feel grass.

The only thing she's experiencing differently is warmth. Everything else is the same. She's the same Penny she was before.

Once gain, stop using the neurodivergent headcanon for her. It's a headcanon.

Her being a robot influences how she became who she is, because it makes her unconfident in herself and her humanity. That shouldn't be the case. It shouldn't matter if she's a robot or not. She's still a real girl, no matter what, and the show goes along with this.

Her mentality, personality, everything other than her literal physical touch, is still exactly the same. She's the same Penny she was before, because her being a robot didn't matter. She's the same Penny she always was.

"Penny’s robotic nature matters because the theme of her arc is “even if you are different, you are still a person” an idea that necessitates the acknowledgement that Penny is different and that her differences make her who she is BUT she is also still a real girl."

Penny's difference (being a robot) influences her in a negative way by making herself think she's not normal. The show makes it clear that her being a robot literally doesn't matter. She's still a real girl. By changing her to a human and her still being a real girl, it's driving the point home that her being a robot didn't matter at all, cause she was always a real girl and still is. Nowhere does the show make her being a robot a significant part of her. The whole point is that it's not a significant part of her, cause she's just as much of a real girl as anyone else.

[rwde-chibi]

If the arc is “you’re a real girl, even if you’re different” then the differences are an important part of the arc. You can say that her robotic nature made her feel like she was less normal, but that’s also something people who are “different” experience especially ones who are young adults.

I’ve known many people who grew up worrying about being gay, or having autism, or who were worried about how they looked because of heterochromia or albinism. But ultimately those “differences” are still a part of them, and stripping those away would still change how they felt about themselves. But even beyond that, you’ve slipped up there.

You’ve gone from saying Penny’s robotic parts didn’t matter, to saying it’s good that they’re gone, because they just worried Penny. But that’s still changing something about Penny’s life, that means her parts do matter for her character. You also claimed that Penny was simply experiencing heat… which doesn’t make sense given the line she says is “do hugs always make you feel so warm inside” implying it’s an emotional reaction, not a physical reaction she’s feeling. She’s feeling something different emotionally, and asked for clarification because it’s something she hasn’t felt before.

[goldsrc-hl1]

Yeah... And by showing that she's exactly the same even with the difference removed it drives the point home that the difference never mattered in the first place because she was always a real girl. Do you not understand that?

Removing Penny's robot parts doesn't change how she feels about herself. She still loves hugs, she just feels heat coming from inside her body lol. The whole point is that even if her difference never existed, she's still the same, because that difference doesn't define who she is. She is herself, Penny Polendina, no matter what. If she's a robot or a human, she's the same girl, and the difference of her being a robot shouldn't impact how she acts.

And, lo and behold, it doesn't.

Never said that it's good they were gone. It's good they're gone cause she was literally being controlled by a virus and having her free will violated over and over, but her robotic nature wasn't something she was insecure about after Volume 2.

"do hugs always make you feel so warm inside" is referring to her body, her insides, literally giving off heat. Even if it wasn't, it's literally just her being happy that she's no longer being controlled by a virus.

Changing who she physically is, what she's made out of, doesn't matter. She's still Penny. Her being a robot SHOULDN'T define her. She should be accepted no matter what she is, and her being accepted in both forms and her robot parts being seen as just extra to her regular personality shows that she's not being treated any differently because she's a robot, cause her being a robot isn't what makes her, well, her.

[rwde-chibi]

My guy, the phrase “warm inside” when applied to something you like generally means it makes you happy. Like a boyfriend who loves you makes you feel warm inside, or a nice ice cream you like makes you feel warm inside. If it was about body heat, it would have been “do hugs always make you feel so warm” or “do hugs always make you feel so hot”.

The phrasing of the line also plays into this, as if Penny was merely happy about being able to feel like this again… she would have said that. Writing the line as a question after a character undergoes a transformation in most media implies the sensation is a new sensation. So “do hugs always make you feel so warm inside” means “do hugs always make you feel so happy”, and it’s a new sensation she feels… after losing the robot parts.

I’m sure you can figure out the implication that makes about any differences between her robot form and her “real girl” form, right?

[randombook4idk-deactivated20241]

RWBY: Penny isn't a human girl, but a robot girl. She even tells Ruby she isn't a real girl because of this, but Ruby reasures her by saying she is, because her being made from metal parts doesn't make her less real than her. Penny is a real girl no matter what, even if her body is metal.

Also RWBY: We made Penny human. Ambrosius wonders what will be left of her once he removes the metal parts, since y'know Penny is a robot. Team RWBY are not concerned about this, because the real Penny is underneath her metal body - her soul :) Penny's body isn't part of her identity of who she is, it's just an extra, like Yang's arm, who is the one to call metal parts an extra :)

RWBY: A character named Winter Schnee with icy personality is planned to become the next...wait for it...Winter Maiden. But instead of that happening, Penny inherits the powers, becoming the next Winter Maiden.

Also RWBY: Winter becomes the new...wait for it...Winter Maiden after Penny dies. Who would have seen that coming?

RWBY: Ruby cares about Penny very much and was horried by her death and despite not knowing her for too long, calls her a friend.

Also RWBY: Ruby along with others, pass by Penny with virus body, not paying much attention to it, not being bothered to see it wither away. Who cares, the REAL Penny is next to them :)

[goldsrc-hl1]

Why would you care about the malfunctioning virus penny when the soul, the thing that made Penny who she is, is right next to you in a physical form. Why would that matter.

Penny is a real girl no matter what. Whether her body is metal or flesh, she's a real girl. That's... the whole point of it.

They worked with her for months in Atlas and Penny and Ruby had plenty of bonding in V2-V3.

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It’s almost like “being a robot” was a core part of who the real Penny was, and calling her mechanical parts “extra” when it was a fundamental part of her existence is gross and works against the message the show had established with Penny when they first revealed she was a robot. Back then being mechanical was just how she was, like how Blake was a Faunus. But now the metal parts are “extra”, because CRWBY decided it was gonna start being super ableist.

Its gross that the show implies she’s “better” than she was before because now she can emotions and feel good when hugging someone (which is gross and ultimately feels like it contradicts Penny’s existence as a robot with a soul anyways).

The point is not that her becoming human changed her as a person in some fundamental form, it’s because it undermines the point of “you’re a real girl, even if you’re not made up of squishy gut stuff”. It’s gross that we can just say “those are extra” and throw away a core part of Penny’s existence as a person.

Meanwhile if you suggested Blake should just give up her ears and be a human (something the show would go on a do), most people would rightfully say that’s not something you should do!

[goldsrc-hl1]

No, the robot parts were never a core part of what Penny was. Ruby literally says that her being a robot doesn't matter, that she's real regardless.

Ruby: Of course you are. You think just because you've got nuts and bolts instead of squishy guts makes you any less real than me?

Penny: I don't... um... You're... taking this extraordinarily well.

Ruby: You're not like those things we saw back there. You've got a heart, and a soul; I can feel it!

Penny: Ooohh... oh Ruby! You're the best friend anyone could have!

The show never even once says that Penny's mechanical parts are a core part of her. What makes her, well, her, is her heart (symbolism for kindness) and her soul (symbolism for personality and all that stuff). Her being a robot doesn't matter cause she has both, her robotic parts aren't her, her soul and heart is her. Nowhere, not even once, does it say that her robotic parts are a fundamental part of her.

It's not ableist whatsoever. It's completely consistent with itself and it's message.

Her robotic parts are extra. She's still a real girl whether or not she's flesh or robotic. Being a robot ISN'T fundamental to her, that's the whole point. Her being a robot doesn't matter whatsoever, cause she's still a real girl. It's supposed to not be a core part of Penny's existence as a person.

Did you even watch the show?

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The robotics of Penny are entirely a core of her character. Because Penny being a robot shaped how she experiences the world, because being a robot is to Penny like being a Faunus is to Blake. Saying “the metal parts are extra” to someone who has lived their entire life as a robot is the equivalent of saying “well the ears are just extra” to Blake.

Because again, Penny is a real girl but a real girl who experiences the world differently from others. She can fly, she’s got heat vision, she processes things different from someone like Ruby. That is ultimately the crux of what Penny’s character is. She’s a girl who experiences the world differently, who was never demonized for being different… until the show decided metal parts are just “extra” to a person.

As soon as Penny becomes a “real girl” from her experience with the Blue Genie, she starts to process the world differently. She asks if hugs “always make you feel warm in your chest like this”, implying that she didn’t feel that when she was a robot. This affirms that Penny was neurodivergent before, and now she’s “just like everyone else”.

How is it not ableist to have a character whose arc is about being just as much of a real girl as everyone else, despite processing the world differently, and then ENDING THE ARC BY ERASING THAT ASPECT OF HER?

[goldsrc-hl1]

No, it's not that at all. Her being a robot is not a core part of her, her personality is what makes her who she is, not the robot parts.

Blake's ears are an indicator of her race and her culture and background. That's very different from a robot. The whole point of Penny being a robot is that she shouldn't be treated differently for being a robot, because she's still a real girl. Her being a robot doesn't matter whatsoever.

She was never demonized for being different, and has never been. She's a real girl no matter what. If she's a robot, she's a real girl, if she's a literal real girl, she's a real girl.

Her robot parts aren't what define her. She's more than just a robot. Boiling her down to being a robot is undermining her humanity.

Penny was never neurodivergent. That's a headcanon. Don't get pissed because of a headcanon, that's peak stupidity. She liked hugs before, and likes hugs after. She's the same Penny before and after.

The whole point of her arc is that her being a robot doesn't matter. She's a real girl no matter what. By turning her into a real girl and her acting exactly the same and everyone treating her exactly the same, it clarifies even more that her being a robot didn't matter, cause she's a real girl no matter what.

Please, please, please do not use the "Penny is neurodivergent" headcanon to back up your shitty criticism. That is a headcanon.

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“By turning her into a real girl, and her acting exactly the same-“ SHE ACTIVELY ASKS QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY THINGS FEEL DIFFERENT. Being a “real girl” literally alters her ability to perceive reality and feel feelings. You can say “Penny’s neurodivergence is a headcanon”, but the show actively points out that in her human body she experiences the world differently.

Penny as a robot couldn’t feel the “warmth” in her chest from hugging people, but Penny as a “real girl” can. Penny as a robot couldn’t feel the grass under her feet, but Penny as a “real girl” can. She literally comes out the other side of the transformation feeling and experiencing stimulus in a different way from when she was a robot. Trying to argue that Penny being a robot isn’t a core part of her character entirely dismisses the show’s text that as a real girl she is experiencing things differently than she was before.

You can claim I’m “undermining her humanity” by saying her robotics did play a part in her character, but here’s the thing. How you perceive the world often has an impact on your personality. Penny by existing as something that is not Human or Faunus, has a unique perspective on the world, which is part of why she believes she is not a real girl initially. She can act happy, but according to the show’s text she’s feeling happy in a different way from everyone else. Because she doesn’t feel a warmth in her chest, and she doesn’t understand “all the feels” of being human.

Your argument is that Penny’s identity as a robot doesn’t matter, because she’s still a real girl even as a robot. This conclusion is actually at odds with what the show initially said. Penny’s robotic nature matters because the theme of her arc is “even if you are different, you are still a person” an idea that necessitates the acknowledgement that Penny is different and that her differences make her who she is BUT she is also still a real girl.

[goldsrc-hl1]

Hugs are warmer now because, you know, she's a person who now gives off heat. She didn't do that as a robot. She still loves hugs, loves all the same things, she just feels heat now cause she's a human.

The ability to give off heat from your body is not a fundamental factor of what makes you you. If your personality is based off of your body's ability to give off heat then I am extremely sorry for you.

Nowhere is it said that Penny can't feel grass.

The only thing she's experiencing differently is warmth. Everything else is the same. She's the same Penny she was before.

Once gain, stop using the neurodivergent headcanon for her. It's a headcanon.

Her being a robot influences how she became who she is, because it makes her unconfident in herself and her humanity. That shouldn't be the case. It shouldn't matter if she's a robot or not. She's still a real girl, no matter what, and the show goes along with this.

Her mentality, personality, everything other than her literal physical touch, is still exactly the same. She's the same Penny she was before, because her being a robot didn't matter. She's the same Penny she always was.

"Penny’s robotic nature matters because the theme of her arc is “even if you are different, you are still a person” an idea that necessitates the acknowledgement that Penny is different and that her differences make her who she is BUT she is also still a real girl."

Penny's difference (being a robot) influences her in a negative way by making herself think she's not normal. The show makes it clear that her being a robot literally doesn't matter. She's still a real girl. By changing her to a human and her still being a real girl, it's driving the point home that her being a robot didn't matter at all, cause she was always a real girl and still is. Nowhere does the show make her being a robot a significant part of her. The whole point is that it's not a significant part of her, cause she's just as much of a real girl as anyone else.

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If the arc is “you’re a real girl, even if you’re different” then the differences are an important part of the arc. You can say that her robotic nature made her feel like she was less normal, but that’s also something people who are “different” experience especially ones who are young adults.

I’ve known many people who grew up worrying about being gay, or having autism, or who were worried about how they looked because of heterochromia or albinism. But ultimately those “differences” are still a part of them, and stripping those away would still change how they felt about themselves. But even beyond that, you’ve slipped up there.

You’ve gone from saying Penny’s robotic parts didn’t matter, to saying it’s good that they’re gone, because they just worried Penny. But that’s still changing something about Penny’s life, that means her parts do matter for her character. You also claimed that Penny was simply experiencing heat… which doesn’t make sense given the line she says is “do hugs always make you feel so warm inside” implying it’s an emotional reaction, not a physical reaction she’s feeling. She’s feeling something different emotionally, and asked for clarification because it’s something she hasn’t felt before.

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RWBY: Penny isn't a human girl, but a robot girl. She even tells Ruby she isn't a real girl because of this, but Ruby reasures her by saying she is, because her being made from metal parts doesn't make her less real than her. Penny is a real girl no matter what, even if her body is metal.

Also RWBY: We made Penny human. Ambrosius wonders what will be left of her once he removes the metal parts, since y'know Penny is a robot. Team RWBY are not concerned about this, because the real Penny is underneath her metal body - her soul :) Penny's body isn't part of her identity of who she is, it's just an extra, like Yang's arm, who is the one to call metal parts an extra :)

RWBY: A character named Winter Schnee with icy personality is planned to become the next...wait for it...Winter Maiden. But instead of that happening, Penny inherits the powers, becoming the next Winter Maiden.

Also RWBY: Winter becomes the new...wait for it...Winter Maiden after Penny dies. Who would have seen that coming?

RWBY: Ruby cares about Penny very much and was horried by her death and despite not knowing her for too long, calls her a friend.

Also RWBY: Ruby along with others, pass by Penny with virus body, not paying much attention to it, not being bothered to see it wither away. Who cares, the REAL Penny is next to them :)

[goldsrc-hl1]

Why would you care about the malfunctioning virus penny when the soul, the thing that made Penny who she is, is right next to you in a physical form. Why would that matter.

Penny is a real girl no matter what. Whether her body is metal or flesh, she's a real girl. That's... the whole point of it.

They worked with her for months in Atlas and Penny and Ruby had plenty of bonding in V2-V3.

[rwde-chibi]

It’s almost like “being a robot” was a core part of who the real Penny was, and calling her mechanical parts “extra” when it was a fundamental part of her existence is gross and works against the message the show had established with Penny when they first revealed she was a robot. Back then being mechanical was just how she was, like how Blake was a Faunus. But now the metal parts are “extra”, because CRWBY decided it was gonna start being super ableist.

Its gross that the show implies she’s “better” than she was before because now she can emotions and feel good when hugging someone (which is gross and ultimately feels like it contradicts Penny’s existence as a robot with a soul anyways).

The point is not that her becoming human changed her as a person in some fundamental form, it’s because it undermines the point of “you’re a real girl, even if you’re not made up of squishy gut stuff”. It’s gross that we can just say “those are extra” and throw away a core part of Penny’s existence as a person.

Meanwhile if you suggested Blake should just give up her ears and be a human (something the show would go on a do), most people would rightfully say that’s not something you should do!

[goldsrc-hl1]

No, the robot parts were never a core part of what Penny was. Ruby literally says that her being a robot doesn't matter, that she's real regardless.

Ruby: Of course you are. You think just because you've got nuts and bolts instead of squishy guts makes you any less real than me?

Penny: I don't... um... You're... taking this extraordinarily well.

Ruby: You're not like those things we saw back there. You've got a heart, and a soul; I can feel it!

Penny: Ooohh... oh Ruby! You're the best friend anyone could have!

The show never even once says that Penny's mechanical parts are a core part of her. What makes her, well, her, is her heart (symbolism for kindness) and her soul (symbolism for personality and all that stuff). Her being a robot doesn't matter cause she has both, her robotic parts aren't her, her soul and heart is her. Nowhere, not even once, does it say that her robotic parts are a fundamental part of her.

It's not ableist whatsoever. It's completely consistent with itself and it's message.

Her robotic parts are extra. She's still a real girl whether or not she's flesh or robotic. Being a robot ISN'T fundamental to her, that's the whole point. Her being a robot doesn't matter whatsoever, cause she's still a real girl. It's supposed to not be a core part of Penny's existence as a person.

Did you even watch the show?

[rwde-chibi]

The robotics of Penny are entirely a core of her character. Because Penny being a robot shaped how she experiences the world, because being a robot is to Penny like being a Faunus is to Blake. Saying “the metal parts are extra” to someone who has lived their entire life as a robot is the equivalent of saying “well the ears are just extra” to Blake.

Because again, Penny is a real girl but a real girl who experiences the world differently from others. She can fly, she’s got heat vision, she processes things different from someone like Ruby. That is ultimately the crux of what Penny’s character is. She’s a girl who experiences the world differently, who was never demonized for being different… until the show decided metal parts are just “extra” to a person.

As soon as Penny becomes a “real girl” from her experience with the Blue Genie, she starts to process the world differently. She asks if hugs “always make you feel warm in your chest like this”, implying that she didn’t feel that when she was a robot. This affirms that Penny was neurodivergent before, and now she’s “just like everyone else”.

How is it not ableist to have a character whose arc is about being just as much of a real girl as everyone else, despite processing the world differently, and then ENDING THE ARC BY ERASING THAT ASPECT OF HER?

[goldsrc-hl1]

No, it's not that at all. Her being a robot is not a core part of her, her personality is what makes her who she is, not the robot parts.

Blake's ears are an indicator of her race and her culture and background. That's very different from a robot. The whole point of Penny being a robot is that she shouldn't be treated differently for being a robot, because she's still a real girl. Her being a robot doesn't matter whatsoever.

She was never demonized for being different, and has never been. She's a real girl no matter what. If she's a robot, she's a real girl, if she's a literal real girl, she's a real girl.

Her robot parts aren't what define her. She's more than just a robot. Boiling her down to being a robot is undermining her humanity.

Penny was never neurodivergent. That's a headcanon. Don't get pissed because of a headcanon, that's peak stupidity. She liked hugs before, and likes hugs after. She's the same Penny before and after.

The whole point of her arc is that her being a robot doesn't matter. She's a real girl no matter what. By turning her into a real girl and her acting exactly the same and everyone treating her exactly the same, it clarifies even more that her being a robot didn't matter, cause she's a real girl no matter what.

Please, please, please do not use the "Penny is neurodivergent" headcanon to back up your shitty criticism. That is a headcanon.

[rwde-chibi]

“By turning her into a real girl, and her acting exactly the same-“ SHE ACTIVELY ASKS QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY THINGS FEEL DIFFERENT. Being a “real girl” literally alters her ability to perceive reality and feel feelings. You can say “Penny’s neurodivergence is a headcanon”, but the show actively points out that in her human body she experiences the world differently.

Penny as a robot couldn’t feel the “warmth” in her chest from hugging people, but Penny as a “real girl” can. Penny as a robot couldn’t feel the grass under her feet, but Penny as a “real girl” can. She literally comes out the other side of the transformation feeling and experiencing stimulus in a different way from when she was a robot. Trying to argue that Penny being a robot isn’t a core part of her character entirely dismisses the show’s text that as a real girl she is experiencing things differently than she was before.

You can claim I’m “undermining her humanity” by saying her robotics did play a part in her character, but here’s the thing. How you perceive the world often has an impact on your personality. Penny by existing as something that is not Human or Faunus, has a unique perspective on the world, which is part of why she believes she is not a real girl initially. She can act happy, but according to the show’s text she’s feeling happy in a different way from everyone else. Because she doesn’t feel a warmth in her chest, and she doesn’t understand “all the feels” of being human.

Your argument is that Penny’s identity as a robot doesn’t matter, because she’s still a real girl even as a robot. This conclusion is actually at odds with what the show initially said. Penny’s robotic nature matters because the theme of her arc is “even if you are different, you are still a person” an idea that necessitates the acknowledgement that Penny is different and that her differences make her who she is BUT she is also still a real girl.

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RWBY: Penny isn't a human girl, but a robot girl. She even tells Ruby she isn't a real girl because of this, but Ruby reasures her by saying she is, because her being made from metal parts doesn't make her less real than her. Penny is a real girl no matter what, even if her body is metal.

Also RWBY: We made Penny human. Ambrosius wonders what will be left of her once he removes the metal parts, since y'know Penny is a robot. Team RWBY are not concerned about this, because the real Penny is underneath her metal body - her soul :) Penny's body isn't part of her identity of who she is, it's just an extra, like Yang's arm, who is the one to call metal parts an extra :)

RWBY: A character named Winter Schnee with icy personality is planned to become the next...wait for it...Winter Maiden. But instead of that happening, Penny inherits the powers, becoming the next Winter Maiden.

Also RWBY: Winter becomes the new...wait for it...Winter Maiden after Penny dies. Who would have seen that coming?

RWBY: Ruby cares about Penny very much and was horried by her death and despite not knowing her for too long, calls her a friend.

Also RWBY: Ruby along with others, pass by Penny with virus body, not paying much attention to it, not being bothered to see it wither away. Who cares, the REAL Penny is next to them :)

[goldsrc-hl1]

Why would you care about the malfunctioning virus penny when the soul, the thing that made Penny who she is, is right next to you in a physical form. Why would that matter.

Penny is a real girl no matter what. Whether her body is metal or flesh, she's a real girl. That's... the whole point of it.

They worked with her for months in Atlas and Penny and Ruby had plenty of bonding in V2-V3.

[rwde-chibi]

It’s almost like “being a robot” was a core part of who the real Penny was, and calling her mechanical parts “extra” when it was a fundamental part of her existence is gross and works against the message the show had established with Penny when they first revealed she was a robot. Back then being mechanical was just how she was, like how Blake was a Faunus. But now the metal parts are “extra”, because CRWBY decided it was gonna start being super ableist.

Its gross that the show implies she’s “better” than she was before because now she can emotions and feel good when hugging someone (which is gross and ultimately feels like it contradicts Penny’s existence as a robot with a soul anyways).

The point is not that her becoming human changed her as a person in some fundamental form, it’s because it undermines the point of “you’re a real girl, even if you’re not made up of squishy gut stuff”. It’s gross that we can just say “those are extra” and throw away a core part of Penny’s existence as a person.

Meanwhile if you suggested Blake should just give up her ears and be a human (something the show would go on a do), most people would rightfully say that’s not something you should do!

[goldsrc-hl1]

No, the robot parts were never a core part of what Penny was. Ruby literally says that her being a robot doesn't matter, that she's real regardless.

Ruby: Of course you are. You think just because you've got nuts and bolts instead of squishy guts makes you any less real than me?

Penny: I don't... um... You're... taking this extraordinarily well.

Ruby: You're not like those things we saw back there. You've got a heart, and a soul; I can feel it!

Penny: Ooohh... oh Ruby! You're the best friend anyone could have!

The show never even once says that Penny's mechanical parts are a core part of her. What makes her, well, her, is her heart (symbolism for kindness) and her soul (symbolism for personality and all that stuff). Her being a robot doesn't matter cause she has both, her robotic parts aren't her, her soul and heart is her. Nowhere, not even once, does it say that her robotic parts are a fundamental part of her.

It's not ableist whatsoever. It's completely consistent with itself and it's message.

Her robotic parts are extra. She's still a real girl whether or not she's flesh or robotic. Being a robot ISN'T fundamental to her, that's the whole point. Her being a robot doesn't matter whatsoever, cause she's still a real girl. It's supposed to not be a core part of Penny's existence as a person.

Did you even watch the show?

[rwde-chibi]

The robotics of Penny are entirely a core of her character. Because Penny being a robot shaped how she experiences the world, because being a robot is to Penny like being a Faunus is to Blake. Saying “the metal parts are extra” to someone who has lived their entire life as a robot is the equivalent of saying “well the ears are just extra” to Blake.

Because again, Penny is a real girl but a real girl who experiences the world differently from others. She can fly, she’s got heat vision, she processes things different from someone like Ruby. That is ultimately the crux of what Penny’s character is. She’s a girl who experiences the world differently, who was never demonized for being different… until the show decided metal parts are just “extra” to a person.

As soon as Penny becomes a “real girl” from her experience with the Blue Genie, she starts to process the world differently. She asks if hugs “always make you feel warm in your chest like this”, implying that she didn’t feel that when she was a robot. This affirms that Penny was neurodivergent before, and now she’s “just like everyone else”.

How is it not ableist to have a character whose arc is about being just as much of a real girl as everyone else, despite processing the world differently, and then ENDING THE ARC BY ERASING THAT ASPECT OF HER?

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RWBY: Penny isn't a human girl, but a robot girl. She even tells Ruby she isn't a real girl because of this, but Ruby reasures her by saying she is, because her being made from metal parts doesn't make her less real than her. Penny is a real girl no matter what, even if her body is metal.

Also RWBY: We made Penny human. Ambrosius wonders what will be left of her once he removes the metal parts, since y'know Penny is a robot. Team RWBY are not concerned about this, because the real Penny is underneath her metal body - her soul :) Penny's body isn't part of her identity of who she is, it's just an extra, like Yang's arm, who is the one to call metal parts an extra :)

RWBY: A character named Winter Schnee with icy personality is planned to become the next...wait for it...Winter Maiden. But instead of that happening, Penny inherits the powers, becoming the next Winter Maiden.

Also RWBY: Winter becomes the new...wait for it...Winter Maiden after Penny dies. Who would have seen that coming?

RWBY: Ruby cares about Penny very much and was horried by her death and despite not knowing her for too long, calls her a friend.

Also RWBY: Ruby along with others, pass by Penny with virus body, not paying much attention to it, not being bothered to see it wither away. Who cares, the REAL Penny is next to them :)

[goldsrc-hl1]

Why would you care about the malfunctioning virus penny when the soul, the thing that made Penny who she is, is right next to you in a physical form. Why would that matter.

Penny is a real girl no matter what. Whether her body is metal or flesh, she's a real girl. That's... the whole point of it.

They worked with her for months in Atlas and Penny and Ruby had plenty of bonding in V2-V3.

[rwde-chibi]

It’s almost like “being a robot” was a core part of who the real Penny was, and calling her mechanical parts “extra” when it was a fundamental part of her existence is gross and works against the message the show had established with Penny when they first revealed she was a robot. Back then being mechanical was just how she was, like how Blake was a Faunus. But now the metal parts are “extra”, because CRWBY decided it was gonna start being super ableist.

Its gross that the show implies she’s “better” than she was before because now she can emotions and feel good when hugging someone (which is gross and ultimately feels like it contradicts Penny’s existence as a robot with a soul anyways).

The point is not that her becoming human changed her as a person in some fundamental form, it’s because it undermines the point of “you’re a real girl, even if you’re not made up of squishy gut stuff”. It’s gross that we can just say “those are extra” and throw away a core part of Penny’s existence as a person.

Meanwhile if you suggested Blake should just give up her ears and be a human (something the show would go on a do), most people would rightfully say that’s not something you should do!

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Ad “Hey, it would be nice if there was a MLM ship in this show.”

RWBY Twitter: “Why does it have to be about mlm? Go watch all the other shows about mlm relationships!”

I would IF THEY ACTUALLY EXISTED

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It’s amazing how just because someone you disagree with is making a video you know you’re going to disagree with, that you have to demonize people for rightfully pointing out the horrific abuse that was done in service of making the thing the person is criticizing.

Or just a general obsession with someone about something they did years ago and haven’t really talked about since, which is like… really creepy and also shows you hold people accountable more for having a different opinion than actually doing real physical harm to people.

[krypti]

Hbomber has ignored the facts about RWBY, flat out ignoring plot points in order to make it look worse than it was

We have zero confidence that he'll take the accounts of those within the company who said things HAVE gotten better

There are countless people who cite his lies as why they never got into RWBY so yeah we're still bitter.

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1. Welcome to the FNDM, where people constantly misrepresent the show to push their own ideas of how the show goes. How many people claim Adam is a “white savior” despite being a Faunus, or that Yang is a lesbian and not bisexual despite a canonical attraction to men? It’s incredibly hypocritical to complain about someone misrepresenting stuff to make it seem worse when fans constantly misrepresent their own show to make it seem better.

2. Why are you so focused on specifically making the company look good? Trying to constantly brush the controversy under the rug because “they got better” is ridiculous because they still harassed and caused physical harm to people in the work place. It’s not like saying the truth is manipulating people to hate RWBY. He should mention that the working conditions have improved, but also people are so insistent on hiding the abuse in the first place that it’s genuinely concerning.

3. Welcome to the Internet where people constantly don’t get into media because of various essays, think pieces and other various means of criticism. The RWBY fandom is the only one I’ve seen obsessively hold onto one specific review like this and it’s not healthy. Some of y’all actually need to just take a chill pill.

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It’s amazing how just because someone you disagree with is making a video you know you’re going to disagree with, that you have to demonize people for rightfully pointing out the horrific abuse that was done in service of making the thing the person is criticizing.

Or just a general obsession with someone about something they did years ago and haven’t really talked about since, which is like… really creepy and also shows you hold people accountable more for having a different opinion than actually doing real physical harm to people.

[rwde-chibi]

Here’s your semi-annual unfriendly reminder that CRWBY and RT abused their queer and other minority workers behind closed doors constantly and that they don’t actually care about being progressive, they just care about getting your money while you forget they abused REAL QUEER PEOPLE because they made your blorbos kiss.