"LMdao means laughing my damn ass off. With the way you try to act smart I would have assumed you would come to that conclusion. Also, itâs cute that that youâre trying to say itâs an unwarranted assumption when you literally tried to claim I canât spell because one letter was off. But hey, youâre not the brightest."
Fool me once, shame on me.
"But because itâs clear that you donât know how writing works and you want to defend your favorite show from being racists because you donât want to come off as racists even though⌠you know. Let me use real world because it seems like youâre not getting it."
Guarantee you're gonna completely miss the point.
"Would you have told Muslims, that in order for the USA to not be racists and Islamophobic toward them, that they need to join the army to fight against isis? Would you tell a Muslim that they are now responsible for making sure that people arenât attacking them and that they have to explain to people not to be racists and islamophobic towards them and that to prove it, they have to join the army?"
They do not and should not have to put their lives on the line to prove Islamophobic rhetoric wrong. The threat level of Adam in RWBY is SIGNIFICANTLY less than the threat level of ISIS. The two aren't even comparable. What I'd say instead is that publicly disavowing ISIS could help.
I'd also like to make it abundantly clear that I hate that this is what has to be done. It should not be the responsibility of the oppressed to educate the oppressors. Period. Unfortunately, we live in a world where the oppressors aren't going to educate themselves. So, instead, the responsibility does fall upon the oppressed to force the oppressors to see that they are wrong. It fucking sucks that it's that way, but it's not gonna change.
The same logic applies for fighting for your rights in general. It should not be the responsibility of the oppressed to get their rights. The oppressors should give the oppressed their rights, since they deserve it. Unfortunately, we live in a world where that is not the case, and instead, the oppressed must fight for their rights.
Just as the oppressed must do all that they can to stop the spread of racism.
"Would you told the black panthers that they need to stop doing what theyâre doing, because the white media is spreading false news about them? That they have to stop because itâs making black people look bad? Would you have said that?"
No, that's not even comparable. Black Panthers weren't going on a revenge quest against whites. They didn't want reverse racism, they wanted equality. Adam is not doing that. Adam does want reverse racism, and wants revenge.
In this case, I'd say the Black Panthers should continue doing what they're doing to fight for equality, while also doing their best to fight back against lies.
"Would you have told the natives, that in order to not be seen as savages, they had to present themselves like the Europeans? They had to speak English and live like they do?"
No, cause that's not comparable to Adam in RWBY. Adam is a racist stereotype. A living, breathing, racist stereotype. Native Americans were not living breathing racist stereotypes.
"Because thatâs what RWBY is doing. Youâre trying to excuse the way the story is written, because you fully believe that minorities are responsible for making sure that people arenât racists towards them. Youâre excusing the fact that the series isnât saying that the racists are the enemies, that racism is bad. Instead youâre excusing the fact that the series wants to say that itâs bad to react to racism in a certain way, and that the best way to respond to racism, is to fight back against the bad minorities who are making you look bad."
I've already explained why that's not at all the case... three times.
Adam, as mentioned above, is a living, breathing racist stereotype. Black Panthers and Native Americans are not. They have no reason to fight back against a living, breathing racist stereotype, because there is none.
And, if there is, I'd say yeah, they should disavow those people. Any sane person would.
ISIS is a bit more leaning into being a living racist stereotype but I wouldn't say Muslims should fight them. That's endangering their lives. Taking down Adam at Haven was SIGNIFICANTLY less dangerous. Instead, publicly disavowing ISIS could help.
Which is essentially what RWBY did, just with a bit more violence.
I do fully believe that minorities are responsible for making sure that people aren't racist towards them. That may sound extremely racist, but if you look at it realistically, that's just how it is.
The oppressors SHOULD be responsible for making sure that people aren't racist towards the oppressed.
That is how it SHOULD be.
The oppressors are NOT going to do that. They're not gonna suddenly stop being racist and put in a ton of effort into making sure no one else is racist. Despite how wrong it is, and how much I personally hate it, the responsibility falls onto the oppressed to ensure that people aren't racist towards them.
And this doesn't just apply to disavowing bad people, this applies to the entire fight against racism. The oppressed have to make sure people aren't racist towards them, and if using force is necessary in order to make people afraid to be racist, so be it.
Just because it shouldn't be their responsibility doesn't change the fact that it is. Not doing anything about racism simply because "well it shouldn't be my responsibility" is complacency.
The racists are still enemies in the Faunus plotline. Bear in mind that the entire reason they want to get rid of Adam is to stop racists from generalizing with him. The enemy is still the racists who are generalizing. The show portrays these racists as wrong for generalizing. The racists are wrong, and they are enemies.
The "reaction to racism in a certain way" you're referring to is literally genocide. Hell, as mentioned earlier, it's not even about fighting back against racism for Adam, it's about fighting back against humanity as a whole.
The show blatantly says that this is not the best way to fight back against racism. In fact, it blatantly says it doesn't have a solution to racism.
Blake: You have to understand that all of you are looking for simple answers to a very complicated problem. And I can't give that to you. I don't know how to make hate go away, I don't. But I know that this kind of violence is not the solution.
"Otherwise how come Adam is the only enemy in that entire storyline? How come the story doesnât focus on the actual racists and the actions of actual racists? The most weâve known that racists did, was move all the Faunus to another place and brand adams eye. Other than that, we know absolutely nothing about how racism works in this series or what it looks like. No other Faunus has a brand except for Adam, so it seems he was the exception not the rule. The Faunus seem to okay moving in manegerie and have no plans on moving back. They donât have issues with resources or anything."
Adam is not the only enemy of the entire storyline. The racists that are using him to generalize are also enemies.
Also, you're completely wrong about saying that the most we know that racists have done is brand Adam and move the Faunus to Menagerie.
Adam short has a lynch squad trying to murder a bunch of Faunus, we see police bias in Volume 1 when they immediately assume it was the White Fang that robbed the dust shop despite Roman Torchwick going around robbing dust shops without even disguising himself, racial bullying as seen with Cordovin, Cardin, drunk guy in Mantle, and the shovel grandma also in Mantle, literal brandings (Adam's brand, it shows that faunus are so dehumanized that branding, something that is done to property and livestock, is a thing that actually happens), Ilia's backstory has her classmates laughing about a bunch of Faunus dying in a mine (once again shows how dehumanized they are, faunus dying is seen as a laughing matter), explicitly stated racism (multiple times, too much to list), racial segregation / gated communities (no faunus signs and all the Faunus living in the crater in Mantle), Menagerie being a MASSIVE example of racial segregation
All of that is racism, all of it is directed at the Faunus.
We know PLENTY about how racism works in this series. You're just too stupid to see it.
The Faunus aren't moving from Menagerie cause they don't have to suffer at the hands of racism there. They very clearly do have an overpopulation problem, but no confirmed resource problems.
That does not mean they are not there, do not assume.
We do see plenty of Faunus on Faunus violence on Menagerie, so it's clear that it's not some island paradise, either.
"So pray tell, how come the plot decided that they want to focus on how not to respond to racism, instead of actually dealing with the racism and the racists?"
Because how not to respond to racism is still valuable information. It also does show how to actually deal with racism, or at least one way to help prevent the spread of it to people who previously weren't racist. It's not a perfect solution, but it's something. Anything.
"Is it because they want to spread a message about violence being bad?"
Clearly not. Ghira literally uses violence to take down Adam. That's not even on the table for any messaging. If they wanted to spread a message about violence being bad... they would've actually spread a message about violence being bad. It's really that simple.
"That smells of propaganda to me."
Literally any political message in fiction is propaganda. Propaganda isn't inherently bad, it depends on what the message of the propaganda is.
"You canât use sienna because they donât show sienna doing anything in the entire series."
They objectively do. Right in the Adam Short.
"we donât know what worked with her, because they never showed us how things were before her."
"What did she change? We donât know, because the series never showed or explored it"
Even without blatantly showing you the puzzle pieces you need to put it together, I'll show you the part of the show where it blatantly tells you what she fixed.
Blake: Of course, despite being promised equality, the Faunus were subjected to discrimination and hate. Humanity still thought of us as lesser beings. And so, the White Fang rose up as a voice of our people. And I was there.
Blake: I was at the front of every rally. I took part in every boycott. I actually thought we were making a difference. But I was just a youthful optimist.
Blake: Then, five years ago, our leader stepped down, and a new one took his place. A new leader, with a new way of thinking.
Blake: Suddenly, our peaceful protests were being replaced with organized attacks. We were setting fire to shops that refused to serve us, hijacking cargo from companies that used Faunus labor. And the worst part was, it was working. We were being treated like equals. But not out of respect... out of fear.
Faunus were still subjected to discrimination and hate, and Sienna made people afraid, so they stopped doing that.
"What did Adam make worse? We donât know because the series never explored or showed this?"
The show blatantly says that Adam is causing people to generalize the Faunus.
"You keep wanting to bring her up, but give me an example in the series about what she did that was positive? If you canât give me an example then it means the series failed at telling a narrative."
As listed above. Sienna got people to be afraid of the Faunus so they started treating them equally.
"Give me an example of what Adam made worse? If you canât it means the series failed at telling a narrative."
Killing Sienna and taking control of the White Fang made generalizing the White Fang using Adam Taurus even easier.
"They want you to think Adam is bad just because heâs bad"
Then why dedicate an entire short to showing how he became bad?
