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Elmax is lowkey lesbyler
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Wait....
Elmax is lowkey lesbyler
I'm so mad about what they did with Jane's storyline, like what was the point really ?
During my first watch, I thought that she would live her life finding herself, discovering stuff, being human.
I thought the message would be "even if everything's bad and you don't see any escape, you can still survive in this world and find happiness, even if it takes times, it's possible"
But no, apparently the solution is to kill yourself đ«
I just feel like there is no conclusion to her character, she's been exploited her whole life, people seeing her like a weapon, a tool, then she tried to find herself, trying to understand what "home/family", trying to find what she liked, with Max's help.
She needed to find who she was, without trying to please anyone, being more than "the girl with power"
But then in S5 they dressed her with that suit (she didn't needed to wear it that much) tie her hair like she was shaved (damn I miss her S2,3 and 4 hair) and she just looked like that girl from the lab with power, she didn't looked like Jane.
It could have been a beautiful message for everyone that have/had a hard finding a place/themselves in this life, honestly I think of little me who wanted to leave this world, and it really hurt this past me.
So now I let myself believe of an alternate universe where she have everything she deserve
I was looking at my screenshots and I just remember that I saw this as a sign right before vol2...
They really talk about how the demos has to be there for the final battle, that it will be crazy if there's no monster...
Why they didn't listen to him đđ
Like common
subtle but deliberate choices that have no purpose if mike is straight
Why do I lowkey starting to have hope for conformity gate ?
Why does it make sense ?
Help I don't want to be disappointed again đđ
S5 ep8 kinda feel like a fever dream
Hi, im not very online i hope this isn't too dumb... but what does the "GA" mean when we are talking about stranger things?
It's okay don't worry, GA mean General Audience, it's not specific to stranger things
I'm kinda mad that the GA know about conformity gate, like at first it was fun and all, and also seeing them having the same hope we had for byler for nothing, karma for the one who called us delusional for believing in byler.
But like, they're kinda reclaiming the theory, like it was coming from them, but it was actually made by us bylers, it's basically a drift from the Mike getting vecna'd theorie.
But badly some people from the GA who believes in conformity gate are byler hater... like the hypocrisy really annoys me, they don't have any problem at being rude to us 'cause we believe in byler, and how they dissociate the "origin" of conformity gate to make it mileven...
Like did they forgot the 'conformity' part of conformity gate, the whole point of the theory is that the character didn't have the ending they wanted, like Mike who is still closeted, that why we think it's a vision from vecna, and he need to wake up.
Anyway I don't really want to appear mean and all, it just really annoys me, we're losing the text đ
Now that the final episode has been released, we must confront an uncomfortable truth: the fact that Vecna never once attempted to weaken Will by exploiting his fearsâincluding his homosexualityârenders the coming-out scene narratively unnecessary.
Will explicitly states that he chose to reveal his fears, to name them aloud through his coming out, so that Vecna could no longer weaponize them against him. This confession was framed as an act of reclaiming power. And yet, Vecna never uses this knowledge. Not once. There is no consequence, no narrative echo, no payoff. The promise collapses into silence.
This means that, from a storytelling perspective, the scene ultimately served only two purposes. First, to suggest that Will is âmoving onâ by reframing his feelings for Mike as a mere crush, reducing them to a childish infatuationâhis so-called âTammy.â A claim that rings false, because love does not evaporate in twenty-four hours. Second, to expose Willâs sexuality as spectacle, offering homophobic segments of the audience an open stage on which to mock him.
There was no reward for the vulnerability demanded of him. No narrative protection. No dignity.
This could have been an intimate coming-out sceneâquiet, human, reverentâone that honored queer experiences rather than consuming them. Instead, it was staged as public theater: a performance played out before an audience, centered on a Will who is crying, apologetic, and visibly terrified. A boy laid bare, not held.
What makes this more disturbing is the reality behind the camera. Noah Schnapp was subjected to twelve hours of filming that forced him to tap into the deepest, most fragile parts of himself as a gay personâso deeply that he reportedly dissociated by the end. And yet, the creators later had the audacity to present this scene as a flawless example of progressive representation, proudly positioning themselves on the âright side.â
But this scene is, in fact, a perfect reflection of how Willâs arcâhis feelings, his sexualityâhas been treated all along: pure performance, concealing manipulation, steeped in heteronormativity and internalized homophobia. The emotions of a young gay man are exploited to prop up a heterosexual couple that was already narratively broken. Willâs love becomes an instrument of emotional and psychological torture, used against him until it culminates not in growth, but in humiliation.
And worst of all, this is where his personal arc ends.
He is denied reciprocity after being fed false hopeâboth as a character and as a mirror for the audience. His story is then summarized in a hollow epilogue image: Will in a gay bar, paired with a generic boyfriend, as if that alone were fulfillment. As if his soul were not better reflected in an art school classroom, or a museum, or any space that resonated with his sensitivity, his creativity, his inner life.
The Duffers dared to reduce Will to this: a martyr who never attains what he desires mostânot only love, but mutual loveâand the sole gay character of the series.
Mike, too, is hollowed out. Reduced to nothing more than Elevenâs obsessed boyfriend, despite never behaving that way throughout the season. His trauma is ignored, his complexity erased, his character flattened, retroactively rewritten so that all his emotional turbulence since season three is never explained. A convenient simplification that discards years of nuance.
The fact that most of the strongest Byler-centered episodes since season twoâand Volume 1 itselfâwere not written by the Duffers, while Volume 2 and the finale were, stands as damning evidence to me. Evidence that the Duffers are, at best, mediocre writers who have reaped praise built on the labor of othersâthe true storytellers behind the seriesâ most compelling, layered, and human moments.
What remains is a story that asks queer characters to bleed for symbolism, to suffer for aesthetics, and to disappear once their pain has served its purpose. A story that calls this progress.
But progress does not look like this.
Every time I listen to purple rain, I actually think of Byler
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There's something I still can't understand like when they destroyed the upside down, why they didn't need to close the gates before doing that ?
Because everything from the upside down can go to Hawkins through the gate, and everything from Hawkins can go to the upside down through the gate.
So like the fact that by destroying the wall in the upside down, it brings everything to the void so it's like death, it's kind of like a black hole i guess
So then you're telling me that Hawkins, who's wide open by a giant gate isn't affected by it ? Does the gate close by themselves ? Or those metal plate are really fucking strong to stop that giant vacuum.
And in ep7 of S5 Dustin says that by destroying the upside down they will destroy the abyss too. But they didn't talk about the possibility of affecting Hawkins too ? If it can destroy the Abyss then why not Hawkins ?
The plot armor must be really strong
I also remember the message on the WSQK about closing the gate... guess it wasn't important
Idk if someone may have some explanation, maybe there's something I didn't understand, even if it's theoretically
OH MAN WHATKTHE FUCKIGN FUCKYOU BTIHCJHAGD GOAWAY
I feel like byler is actually endgame like wtf ???
So uh...
I just finished rewatching S4 and like, at the very end we see the upside down merging in Hawkins, like we see the spores and the plants dying (like the flower that El took)
So why we don't see it at all in S5 ? Like those metal plate are really blocking everything ? Even the killing any form of life things ?
Like the grass look pretty clean to me, or maybe there's something I just didn't understand
I just began rewatching S5 (I just finish ep2) and I didn't see any explanation, or do I dissociate to much to notice idk
Do someone have maybe an explanation for that ?
Byler feel like a breakup rn