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sam as a character that breaks the 'us vs them' dichotomy of hunting with the conditions of his monstrosity is not only something that is deeply inherent to the narrative's exploration of the familial dynamics that sam disrupts, both metaphorically (in terms of hunting as a metaphor for the cycle of abuse) and literally but it's also something that is deeply internalised by every character that bears witness to the same conditions of sam's monstrosity that the audience does but most importantly both dean and sam himself.
there are a lot of aspects to the way that dean approaches sam's involvement within his own agency/independence as well as The Family Business that mirror or directly correlate with sam's monstrosity and when it's worth condemnation vs not but by far the most interesting aspect of this to me is the fact that there is an inherent separation between the idea of sam, sammy, that is not monstrous but is capable of becoming so and the sam that is unknowably monstrous and is capable of corrupting/encroaching on/preying on the sammy isn't/is not yet monstrous. like this idea is mostly explored within dean's idea of sam and monstrosity, either separately or together, but there are a few moments within which sam demonstrates a subconscious awareness of this separation, and subjects himself to it as well, and most of them are within 4.21 and explored as the fact that the Sam—corrupted and monstrous—that Sammy—othered regardless—is to be protected from is ultimately someone that sammy cannot escape. it is in him and evil ('them') and giving into it means freedom or an entire 'acceptance' (the usage of his monstrosity—"maybe there's no escape. after all, how can you run from what's inside you?" / "don't let anyone or anything get in your way."—something he's explicitly expressed since 4.04) of himself.
there will always be an 'us vs them'. it is vital to supernatural. and regardless of the fact that sam exists to break the dichotomy, the dynamic of the structure is one that demands you fit into it and ultimately, i think this manifests within the ideas of sam's monstrosity, more than it does around it, while he perpetually struggles to fit into his role under 'us' so much so that his struggle becomes a vital part of his role. it becomes a non-role that's present in examples of the dynamics of his and dean's relationship as well as the patriarchal structure that i've talked about previously
#i'm trying to write something else about sam's anger and revenge and in rereading the 4.21 transcript #i'm realising another apsect of how internalised dean's(/john's) own ideas of sam's monstrosity are in sam's own psyche #really and truly no wonder sam never used his abilities again #it's all mixed up in the idea of his independence and certain parts of his agency #and his deviance from the 'us vs them' dichotomy is immediately corrected the second he steps outside it #i think season two and dean's inherited control over sam's fate proves that the dichotomy is able to be bent and shifted #in order to fit some idea of sam's monstrosity within the 'us' in 'us vs them' #so it circles back around to my idea of supernatural's patriarchal structure in that the greatest sin is disobeying your patriarch #dean's idea of the dichotomy has not been shifted or has no intent to bend to fit sam's monstrosity within 'us' in season four #so sam's monstrosity and personhood are both compartmentalised through the 'us vs them' structure #and the moment he becomes 'them' is the moment he is deserving of death should dean decide so. save him or kill him #well at least he dies human: well at least he dies part of 'us'/before he becomes 'them'
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(2.03)
thinking on the gordon arc this afternoon, and gordon - sam parallels and really. gordon just literalises the show's racial subtext around monstrosity as a metaphor: the monster as a dangerous outsider, but also a covert threat. it taps into the racist, bio-essentialist idea that men of colour (people of colour in general) are somehow by nature, inherently more violent, bloodthirsty, and savage. gordon is the first hunter we're presented with who 'goes too far' and the end of his arc has him transformed into a literal, bloodthirsty monster - decapitated via one of the show's bloodiest deaths.
(2.03)
gordon is the one who points out sam's difference in this episode, the first whiff of danger from the hunting world for our brothers. but the twist is, of course, gordon is the one not much like our two white protagonists. he's dangerous. he's the original hunter to raise the question: how different is a hunter, from the things he hunts? he's made the voicebox for the white supremacist, fascist rhetoric underlying hunting. while played by a black actor. what a show! (side note: the 2.10 ending is an absolutely insane moment. lmaoo let's call the cops on the black man and phew we're free the day is saved! what a show indeed!)
GORDON "You think she's so different? still want to save her? Look at her. They're all the same. evil, bloodthirsty." (2.03)
GORDON "What are you doing, man? You doing this for a fang? Come on, Dean, we're on the same side here." DEAN "I don't think so, you sadistic bastard." (2.03)
GORDON "...what kind of worthless scumbag have you got to be to turn against your own race?" (2.10)
he's framed as a vindictive killer by this narrative, explicitly presented as a foil for dean in his introduction, for dean to come to terms with the merciless logic of hunting. but the thing is, when it comes to sam, he's also right. sam is marked as different by this narrative. not just in the matter of his literal monstrosity, his demon blood.
(5.02)
(5.11)
it's no coincidence that sam is the one who brings this arc full circle (3.07), the one shown to be excessively violent in his retribution (a running theme of s3: did sam come back right?). sam's vicious execution mirrors gordon's backstory - him heartlessly executing his sister. see, sam is often the one positioned as the brother who 'goes too far'; it's a running theme right from the series outset, continuing past its initial five season run. his apparent ruthlessness is baked into the show's language marking his character as innately monstrous compared to his brother, who only turns monstrous from his job as his protector. sam's violence, unlike dean's, is framed as deviant. it's an idea communicated cleanly by the show's stupid MoC lore - see, abel is the one initially tempted by lucifer (9.11).
(3.07)
(1.12) using this as an early example of the show illustrating sam's supposedly cutthroat nature - allowing for the killing of a man to save dean's life.
(4.21) character thesis statement tbh! no matter what you do, you can't change your designated role in this story - you are its monster, from your very nature
(10.03) again - endlessly fascinating how sam gets to be the truly monstrous one even when he's the human hunter trying to capture his brother the literal demon. looking back on the show then, sam's arc as 'the hunter who goes too far' in s9 runs parallel to gordon's back in s2-3. and it's a theme echoed in previous subplots, like his soulless arc in s6, and the benny arc in s8 (that plot has the additional subtext of sanism in its use of martin). while he might be dean's foil in his introduction, gordon has in fact, more in common with sam. and it comes down to the racial subtext of his arc. gordon wasn't 'turned' by the life; that cruelty was there all along in his very nature, present in his first kill. the edge of tension and danger behind his character on this show relies heavily on leaning into its racist subtext. gordon's inherent difference exists at the surface on this show by virtue of his casting. it gets sublimated into scapegoating - his character as a dangerous extremity, somehow separate from the rest of the hunting world.
ELLEN Don't do that, Sam. SAM I - I thought you said he was a good hunter. ELLEN Yeah, and Hannibal Lecter's a good psychiatrist. Look, he is dangerous to everyone and everything around him. (2.03)
the way the show marks sam's difference then, operates by the same real essentialist logic that marks gordon's difference. monstrosity as a fantasy metaphor for a covertly dangerous, deviantly violent Other operates by the same logic as racial Othering in real life. it operates by the same racist fear that's used to justify the aggressive policing and surveillance of minority communities. sam is the white character metaphorically branded as the show's central monster; gordon is the character who exposes the bare, racist, skeleton of that metaphor, allowing it to be seen clearly in the light of day. the logic that violence and danger originates from a society's designated monsters, those its categorised as inhuman. the show tries to explore the grey (as gordon describes it in 2.03) but it never manages to fully escape this logic, in order to sustain its premise. it's for that very reason gordon could never be played by a white man - and why sam's narrative becomes immediately troubling, if you imagine him played by anyone other than a white man.
Sam, Dean & Double Standards (by the narrative and by the audience)
These are all things that have been mentioned numerous times before. I'm more summarizing here to put it in one place.
Sully: Ever think about running away anymore?
I love this scene so much, because it really forces you to remember the essential tragedy of Sam as a character: the boy who survived his excruciatingly traumatic childhood by clinging to the dream of getting out – who wanted out so badly that he’d sacrifice everything he’d ever known and all the love he’d ever experienced – now knows he’ll never get out. That this strange, airless universe where his job is following dead bodies and coming home to an abandoned fortress and killing things until someday one of them kills him instead – that this is permanent and eternal. And he tries to be at peace with that, even though we have never, not for one second, seen him look comfortable or relaxed or like he’s enjoying anything while on a hunt.
And to me the saddest part of it all is that hunting has finally taken from Sam the one thing he struggled so hard to maintain – hope. He doesn’t expect anything different anymore. All the fight has gone out of Sam, all the righteous anger he began with, the knowledge that he could be forced into a life he hates as a child, but *not forever.*
Because it turns out, yeah, forever. A combination of unresolved trauma and genuine love for his brother means that he’s fully submitted to this life he clearly finds grueling and joyless. And he no longer even gives himself the refuge of dreaming that one day he’ll run away.
#this is one of those scenes I’d LOVE to see the original script for#because the actual lines could very easily be played so differently#like you could absolutely play this as unambiguously positive#rather than the way Jared is playing it where you feel the weight of the question before he even answers#and his answer sounds like an admission of defeat#<- @peanutbutterandbananasandwichs#im kind of obsessed with season eleven visiting this aspect of sam’s characters again#like they do something similar when they mirror sam’s character with alex’s in 11.12#like the conclusion to the interpersonal conflict between claire and alex is very blatantly 1.01-esque#and it’s very interesting to me that they felt the need to reiterate this aspect of sam’s characters especially after season ten#it’s very 4.12 and 4.13-ish in it’s deconstruction of sam’s agencies after the content of season three#fundamentally different contexts (s3/4 vs s10/11) esp relating to sam’s character and motivations#but just the continued re-recognition of this as foundational to him makes me soooo 😖 (<- me)
theres a parallel between the violation of lucifer going through sams memories in 11.10 and dean going through sams memories in 5.16. both of them make derisive comments over adolescent sam's sexuality and both of them take the events out of context in order to draw a Larger Meaning that benefits them. sam's mind isn't allowed to be his own, his very thoughts are the subject of intense scrutiny by his abusers who go over everything with a fine tooth comb and cast judgements on him. they're both literally in his head. 5.16 being the same episode we find out sam and dean are soulmates who share a heaven and 11.10 being all about lucifer trying to convince sam to let him into his body because he was Made to be his vessel. you can never be free
thinking about this scene and ruby's choice of words in the sentence, "your appetite's gotten much bigger," and how it feels like something a mom tracking the growth of her newborn would say and while, yes, there's the immediate double meaning of their relationship and the fact that ruby is grooming sam into the perfect vessel for lucifer, not just physically but she's also grooming his willpower out of him through both addiction and a similar kind of control/relationship dynamic that dean has over sam, but only to an extent that manipulates sam into thinking he still has control over himself and replacing it with a kind of complacency that you would typically find in any relationship that can be described as provider and their ward, there's also the overhanging dynamic of mother and son. the choice of ruby's words mirroring that of a mother's takes the physical substance of her demon blood out of a role that's just physical and mental relief for an addict or just a source of/perpetuation of power and into a role of a substance that is not only nurturing and nutritious but also necessary; there's an indirect comparison between demon blood and breast milk. this is crucial to sam's relationship with demon blood as a substance:
azazel describes his blood as being 'better than mother's milk' when the origin of sam's power, something that is now inherently tied to his motivations and agency as a character, is revealed to have been as a result of the being sam and his family have been hunting all along, the being that killed his mother. there's an intrinsic link between azazel feeding sam his blood and ruby's relationship with sam with how they relate to each other as metaphors for childhood sexual assault. there's another angle added to this when it's revealed that mary is the one that had originally let azazel into their home and that john had known this about sam but chose to keep the information from him. there's also the idea that ruby had originally coerced sam into having sex with her, inherently relating their sexual relationship and demon blood to one another and placing it at the forefront of their seemingly collaborative relationship. there's also more to consider when you relate the idea of azazel possessing samuel's body to bargain with and ultimately kiss mary — an act of almost explicit incest that had transpired through coercion — to the metaphor of childhood sexual assault as well the idea that mary named sam after her father, the same man whose body was used to violate her and, by proxy, violate sam's
this kind of fuels my idea of sam as a nucleus character when it comes to the exploration of the inherent rot of/within the nuclear family; there's an existing atmosphere and set of relationship dynamics that basically ensures that he will be assaulted and violated in some way or another over and over again. in 1.06 skin he tells his college friend, "anyway, what can i do? it’s my family," as a conclusionary sentence to his absence at school and why he takes part in hunting and i think that's a pretty perfect encapsulation of how childhood abuse, particularly sexual abuse, goes unnoticed or without intervention. it's their family so they either don't report or bring attention to it at all either because they don't want to hurt their family or because they think it's normal. it's their family so even if they do report or bring attention to it, it's dismissed because it's their family. it makes this all the more satisfying that he's referring to hunting here, the family business, because hunting is the ultimate metaphor for rot within the nuclear family in supernatural. hunting has provided the ultimate atmosphere for sam's bodily and mental autonomy to be violated over and over again; it's also quite literally his fate to be violated by lucifer and the power azazel violated his body to give him propels him further and further into this fate first under the guise of genuine agency then once again through the same genuine guise of agency but accompanied by a more prevalent force of abuse
Sam + Lucifer Trauma
I'm scared, Sam. All the time. I've seen it, too. What he really looks like, behind whatever vessel. It still keeps me up at night. How do you deal with it?
so....I don't really see much analysis around how central patriarchal manhood and masculinity are to the show. and specifically, how it conceptualises strength/weakness through its two leading characters' arcs. so here's an attempt.
(warning: this post is LONG and incoherent. i'm not kidding)
#this episode is so awful#because dean is SO unfair to sam#throughout the whole thing#he doesn’t even try to put himself in sam’s position#at all#he just guilts sam throughout in a kind of crescendo of blame that culminates in the samulet going into the trash#i hate it (via themegalosaurus)
What’s disturbing to me there is “playing footsie with brace-face.” Dean is an adult demeaning an eleven-year-old girl by insulting her appearance, and the kind of condescending prurience in “playing footsie” reflects a disturbing strain in Dean’s thinking about Sam’s sexual or romantic relationships. It’s revealing how much Dean emphasizes the idea that Sam is acting on a crush, rather than seeking out a normal, family Thanksgiving (the aspect of the situation that Sam himself cites). One of the ways Dean defends himself against Sam questioning the Winchester model of family or finding it insufficient to his needs is to assume that Sam is prioritizing sexuality over family and then subtly or not-so-subtly pathologize that sexuality, and seeing Dean apply that particular defense mechanism to something Sam did when he was eleven is quietly horrifying. It’s a moment that makes me really uneasy, more so than Dean’s extreme perspective bias in DSotM, because I do get how far up his own subjectivity Dean’s headspace was at that point in canon, and I think it’s understandable and not totally unsympathetic, though not excused.
#see also: you chose a demon (ruby) over your own brother#see also: you left me to die for a girl?! (via fioreitaliano)
if you think about it. azazel is sams demonic father, he has his blood. azazel is lucifers son (not in the human way but we cant really apply earth rules here. demon blood is related to lucifer), which makes sam a descendant of lucifer as well. meaning that in a way sam, lucifer and jack all actually share blood. and are in fact, family in the literal sense. a family which dean is Not part of, because even though sam and dean share blood, they do not share THAT blood
how many times did Sam feel triggered and scared around Cas just to reassure himself it was Cas, and trust him completely, even as he was actually Lucifer? Lucifer, ridiculing him, so familiar to him, terrifying, while Sam just tells himself it’s on him, he’s the one with trauma, he just saw Lucifer in the Cage and now he can’t stop? While “Cas” makes comments that sit under his skin and make him feel ridiculous and on edge?
It’s about how Sam doesn’t even question for a second being degraded in minor ways by his loved ones even when in reality it’s someone who spent decades torturing him. How could it not at least feel somehow familiar, given the time they spent together? But he just accepts that it’s Cas.
i think sam’s inability to kill john in 1.22 is a kind of impotence i hadn’t been able to name until now even though it’s treated as such by john in the episode. you weren’t man enough to put your feelings aside and do what needed to be done etc etc. like despite the fact that sam is narratively assigned the role of oedipal son in his relationship he cannot in the end kill his father kill the demon that’s destroyed his family or avenge his girlfriend and mother (ofc dean will get to later). i guess this is one of the big reasons sam and john’s relationship feels much more like a father-daughter relationship to me than a father-son one. like a disobedient son kills his father a disobedient daughter refuses to be possessed by hers she runs away.
adihildilid tags: i can’t disregard them ig but for me dean is more good son bc in his obedience he is eventually empowered as john’s chosen heir << prev
fr like. where is... idk I have a post about this. but truly istg one of the weirder ways people in this fandom parse patriarchy is by like assuming this cartoonish One Alpha to Rule Them All vs Everyone Else dynamic when like. not for nothing. observing men irl will so quickly demonstrate that this is not how it works men are so enthusiastic about enforcing their place in the hierarchy and for most of them. in many situations. that place is the middle and enforcing That by being subordinate is good for the entire institution ergo worth it because it means they maintain their place at the top in whatever their special exception situation is (usually at home) or it buys them their upcoming place at the top when the current king falls* like people will have fun with how eager dean is to fall in line around men he respects and likes. up to a point. and godbless all in good fun. but it's simply not a headscratcher it's normal. it's delicious & nutritious because it's average not because it's some crazy contradiction
*not that I think dean is cynically calculating this At All. but most men aren't so.
kind of an interesting parallel between 2x03 and 8x01, where in bloodlust dean asks sam to hit him back after punching him (sam refuses) and in we need to talk talk about kevin dean throws sam to the floor to test if he's a monster before insisting sam do the same to him (sam refuses). 8x01 is particularly fascinating bc after sam says no dean commits the violation on himself, splashing his own face with holy water cutting his own arm with the knife. ofc i've always loved that scene bc it does so much to set up the dynamic for s8 and it suggests dean's entitlement towards sam's body (probably you could say the same for bloodlust but the lack of overt anger makes it more compelling bc its rarer) but i also like the way both these scenes underline the fact that dean legitimately finds catharsis in physical violence while fully understanding the potential these behaviors have to create an insurmountable gap in the sibling power dynamic. like similar to typical sibling behavior of "don't tell dad i hit you i'll let you hit me back" but they're adults and their father is dead so there is no one to tell there's no risk of formal punishment they're responsible for regulating their own relationship. so dean attempts to close that gap by offering sam the same catharsis through violence but it doesn't work bc violence doesn't make sam feel good it makes him feel monstrous. BUT ALSO these two moments stand out bc dean very rarely attempts to close the gap.
Can u give an example of what u mean by a Sam transgression that Dean shares and doesn't get hate for? Ig I'm just not really understanding that post but would like to! /gen
yeah sorry for being vague AND bitter lol that post was honestly based on 2x19 and 7x04 and how the first scene sam is (rightfully) "called out" for but I've rarely seen anyone mention dean giving a very similar response in the second scene #circular spn discourse then we die
ahhhhhhhh dad and Dean on a hunt together while little Sammy stays home with his imaginary friend. Sam can't go on the hunt because he's soft and sweet and has an imaginary friend (which he has bc he's lonely bc he can't go on the hunt.) Innocence must be protected. Always on the outside of the bubble. Jealous and lonely and oh so safe. And Dean who would never ever have an imaginary friend bc first of all, LAME, childish, and Dean is not a child and never was but sam is a child for longer than he expects or desires, he's a child for so long that even LITTLE KID DEAN has outpaced him. He's baby brother FOREVER!!!! NO FAIR.
it's like. John: you have to swear an oath to protect sammy
Dean: I swear I will protect sammy
Sammy: (alone in a hotel room) I think I'm going to spend the rest of my life trying to outrun this feeling
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