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me just be drawin some bullshit at this point
He is his own worst invention.
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I don't talk as much about what Spamton did wrong in the Weird Route compared to what other characters did wrong in the Pacifist Route because, honestly... it's kind of pointless..?
Yes, what he did in the Weird Route is horrible and inexcusable, he wasn't breaking the cycle of abuse, he's enabling the soul who is abusing Kris and Noelle. I can perhaps talk about how neglected and isolated people who don't have any support can do horrible things, and it's something that could often be avoided and that's something very realistic. Or that he wasn't the only one who was horrible and selling a dangerous weapon to kids (Pink Addison), or he wasn't the only one abusing and using people (Queen and Plugboys in both routes).
But that's all. What else is there to say about him in that route? And judging him in *the Pacifist Route* only by the things he did in the Weird Route is the same as judging Mettaton who reconciled with his cousin Napstablook, is working and sharing the stage with them and Shyren and Burgerpants too (helping their dreams come true) for becoming a *DICTATOR* in one of the routes.
Or that Undyne wants to continue Asgore's plan and kill all humans, even the innocent ones who did nothing wrong.
Hell, even Flowey and Chara. Flowey killed his own father. And Chara helped us by saying how many more there are to kill and wanted to erase the world. And we all remember what Toby Fox thinks about Chara.
Why would I focus so much on the bad routes (which only happens if we kill people) instead of the pacifist route, which is clearly the true route with the credits and was played during the anniversary live stream?
Meanwhile, we have Swatch, Addisons, and Tenna who continue their wrongdoings, on the pacifist route. Even though we didn't kill anyone, they're still being jerks.
Swatch continues to be classist even with other characters; Addisons continue to steal Spamton's ideas while insulting him and having bad products; Tenna continues to be a bad boss and continues saying that he would help Spamton but so far nothing (he recognized that Spamton, so he knows he's alive... and by his new appearance, Tenna knows that Spamton clearly needs help)
And meanwhile Spamton on the pacifist route is helping Fun Gang after he almost killed them (as the dealmaker, he is taking responsibility for his past actions so far), making a joke about hay and also helping Ralsei's healing spell.
Judging him for things he didn't even do on this route makes no sense at all. To me, the game itself is saying that depending on the circumstances, he can be a better or worse person. Just like Susie, for example. And on the pacifist route, Spamton is being a better person. He helps the Fun Gang even if we make them not cut the wires.
Very good points — honestly, almost every single main character in UT/DR is capable of doing pretty terrible things, but we’re not meant to judge any of them solely for their worst actions under the worst circumstances. We’re supposed to have compassion & mercy for them all, and help them be the better people they all can become through kindness.
Something else that’s a bit of a double standard regarding Spamton that I don’t see people ever point out is that on Undertale’s No Mercy Route, Gerson supplies Frisk (a child even younger than Kris & Noelle) with weapons that he knows they’ll use to kill others, despite the fact he knows Frisk is unable to do anything to harm him anyway (because he’s in his shop, and he knows the rules of the game won’t allow us to fight him there). This doesn’t make Gerson a horrible, irredeemable person, this makes him someone put in a terrible & inconceivable situation who is making choices accordingly.
On the Weird Route, Spamton is actually hiding — we have to actively go out of our way to a somewhat hidden area to seek him out in the first place for him to offer the ThornRing, and he literally tells Kris it’s a decision they will regret for the rest of their life. This doesn’t excuse what he does, but people really like to act as if he shows up and manipulates us/Kris into using it. Spamton has the ring on the normal route as well, yet he doesn’t bring it up at all unless you beat him up after he first introduces himself — and even then, he still won’t sell it to you, he just chews you out and leaves.
I’d also like to point out that even when Spamton takes over the mansion on the Weird Route, he doesn’t seem to actually harm anyone; all he really does is put pipis everywhere as traps (as well as changing the paintings into himself, lol), even though he had ample opportunity to hurt people and “take revenge” as NEO while we made our way to the Fountain. This isn’t to say he did nothing wrong of course, just that he doesn’t do anything worse than characters like Mettaton or Undyne do, as previously pointed out. (Something else that’s interesting, even though it’s not technically “canon,” is that there’s a funny implication that what Spamton actually would do after successfully taking over Cyber World is host the Spamton Sweepstakes, not go on his own revenge murder spree.)
And despite Spamton’s heartbreak and anger towards Tenna (we all remember “kill your TV!!!”), he won’t actually hurt him, either, after seeing him again— even after being insulted and sprayed with foam. Supposedly his “worst enemy,” and all that matters to Spamton is knowing that Tenna really does care about him after everything.
And yes, even characters like Flowey — who killed his loved ones multiple times over by the time we meet him — are worthy of being saved & treated with kindness. Even he doesn’t actually get left behind, and he gets to heal, even just a little, after Undertale’s pacifist ending; we get to see him doing better, having friends, and even showing some kindness to others (even without a soul) in the Undertale Alarm Clock dialogue.
Spamton is no different, and the narrative clearly wants us to empathize with him and help him heal too; this is even illustrated by the PuppetScarf’s description (which of course, you only get if you’re violent towards Spamton)—
This check text is both because it greatly lowers Ralsei’s healing ability, and because in the version where we’re kind to Spamton, he instead becomes the Dealmaker — vastly more powerful, and one of the best armors in the game, even 3 chapters later. In the pacifist version, we are helping Spamton heal, and he helps Kris and their friends heal, quite literally, in return. Spamton can only have his epiphany about “the greatest deal of all: friendship!!!” if we choose kindness.
And even if we don’t, even if we hurt him, Spamton still dedicates himself to becoming the Fun Gang’s strength, to helping them “break their own strings.” He isn’t the irredeemable monster so many seem dead-set on seeing him as at all, and how anyone can take that message away from a game like Deltarune will just never make any sense to me.
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SPAMTON?
Sopamton NEO design that i will 100% not change in 2 weeks
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It's not perfect but It's just a cleaner view of the design from my last Spamtenna short.
Also, BONUS:
Just did this to make him happy (he hoped and was right)
(Edit: some people seem to think this is a literal "Tenna Neo" design. It's not he's just wearing Neo inspired clothes)
He's using his Antennas to mimic Sneo's hair :)
(This design I may rework later too, but it's 6 am omg I just saw the time, good night everyone !)
Two puppets on a string
Drawing challenge!!! Character names and blank template under cut.
sneo pixels
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A family can be a non-binary ghost, a trans catgirl and a trans roboman
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i used to want krusie to have a happy ending but due to personal life events making me and kris's situation a little more similar i would now much prefer it to be as tragic and agonizing as possible. srry kris get in dat chair.
Asking oh so nicely for more of your SNEO?
Pretty please <3
here ya go
Thinking of Kris's reaction after Spamton NEO fight
I think what messed them up the most isn't just the parallel between them and Spamton NEO (being a puppet held by strings, being reduced to a vessel with little to no autonomy)
it's how the fight ended.
Spamton after the strings got cut off frickin' broke and died, the NEO body died... or if you beat him through violence, the NEO body literally just gives up and dies because it got pushed too far...
This is so messed up, cause it shows the reality of Kris's situation
They desperately want freedom in their life again, to have full control of themselves again, but if they were to completely get rid of us, they'd just eventually die, as it seem, through chptr 5's beginning, that we are keeping Kris strong and healthy. We, the player, literally are lifting them up like Spamton NEO's strings, keeping them alive like a life support.
Worst yet, the player could literally just push Kris to exhaustion, or to hurt themselves, well... maybe not, the soul seems to give Kris some magical boost to prevent that, like seen in Flowery's fight near the end... but we can totally hurt them, physically and emotionally (it's literally what weird route is about).
Poor kid... and they can't get rid of us and die either cause that would most likely doom their world too...