ah, so thinking literally makes you hated by everyone with opinions that are indirectly worded. I get it now.
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ah, so thinking literally makes you hated by everyone with opinions that are indirectly worded. I get it now.
tfw people ignore the point of a post just to tell you to shut up because your interpretation is wrong, instead of linking where the correct interpretation comes from.
for. for your 'the future is plural post' from the perspective of a singlet who just so happens to have a bunch of plural friends and a plural queerplatonic partner (i knew one person as plural originally everyone else was prediscovery including my partner)
all systems I know seem to be doing happier post discovery and once theyre able to show theyre plural. like. my partners, the host has gotten a lot better since learning shes more than one and is then able to lean on other for help, i make sure to be kind and help anyone new who splits. like. they still struggle with everyday thigns n depression n stuff but thats both not linked to plurality and existed before discovery. my friends who found out theyre olural have also been doing better since, ive spoken to some of their alters and its like. nice to be able to talk to everyone for who they are.
and from my point of view THATS the plural future people mean. not like. 'oooh lets abuse children' its like. oh plurality n did and other systems are not evil and dont have 'evil alters' and that introducing yourself to someone might be 'hi, im [name] from [name] system, its nice to meet you!' without anyone giving you a dirty look. and i like that future!! i want that future for my friends and partners! and selfishly I'd also benefit from that future!! i could say 'im [name], my partners are all a part of [name] system!' without someone trying to tell me 'so you just have one partner then. because one body=one partner', i know i could say partners without needing to fear clarifying could equal danger for my partners! i could say partners instead of partner!! and maybe thats a bit selfish but also everyone is a bit selfish. idk
anyone whos misinterpreting your post has to be doing it maliciously if even singlets can see what you mean better than them lmao
this, this, this!
why would advocating for more inclusivity, understanding, and practical support for people who function as plural be harmful?
to interpret something like ‘the future is plural’ as promoting trauma requires starting from a deeply biased position. you have to already assume the worst possible intent and then work backwards from there. no one reacts this way when people say ‘the future is queer’ or ‘the future is female’ — except people who are already committed to viewing it as something wrong or threatening (bigots).
choosing to interpret it as endorsing harm against children isn’t a misunderstanding - it’s purposefully bad faith, and often just thinly veiled bigotry. it’s twisting someone’s words into something harmful so you don’t have to confront what they actually mean.
sadly there are many who take things literally and dont have input from other resources to not be put off by "the future is female" (does that mean erase me because im trans?) or "the future is plural" (does that mean force everyone who isnt plural into calling themselves plural) or the future is queer (im queer, but does that make everyone forced to conform to queerness??)
i feel threatened by these statements because even though even if im part of the group "the future is for", it erases other identities in the literal statement rather than specifying an actual definition with it of "we aren't going to try to erase identities here" esp with "the future is female" and current culture of denying trans men livelihood
Please do not make blanket statements of "they must be assuming this maliciously" when the literal statements imply erasure of other identities
Your interpretation of a phrase does not change its historical meaning, literal definition, or the intention of the person using it. Your initial reaction to any phrase is naturally shaped by your own experiences, assumptions, and biases. The responsibility then falls on you to examine the context surrounding the statement and the person making it before deciding what they mean.
In this case, that context has already been provided. You are even currently engaging with a post whose entire purpose is to explain the meaning and intent behind the phrase. Rather than engaging with that explanation, you (and many others) decide that your personal interpretation matters more than the actual meaning being communicated. You are effectively arguing that because a different interpretation upsets you, everyone else should accept that interpretation as equally valid.
Thats not critical thinking. It’s choosing your emotional reaction over the information being presented to you. At a certain point, insisting on viewing a phrase through a distorted lens after its meaning has been clearly explained stops being a misunderstanding and starts becoming prejudice. Honestly, it’s bigoted, and such a lack of critical thinking has no place in ‘discourse’ spaces.
On top of this, and linking back to my initial point, the phrase ‘The future is [BLANK]’ has existed for decades, and has never meant ‘we want to convert everyone into this group.’ It emerged from feminist movements and was used to express the idea that a group which has historically been marginalized, excluded, or dismissed will play an increasingly visible and influential role in future society. It is a statement about social change, representation, and cultural influence - not demographic replacement.
Nobody heard ‘The Future is Female’ and reasonably concluded that feminists were advocating for the eradication of men. The phrase is understood within its social and historical context. Yet when the same rhetorical structure is used by other marginalized groups, suddenly people insist on interpreting it in the most hostile and literal way possible.
That inconsistency is exactly why context matters. You are stripping a phrase of both its history and its intended meaning so that you can attach a more threatening interpretation to it that supports your bias and beliefs. That is not engaging with what is being said. It is deliberately choosing the least charitable reading available to harm others and twist their words.
This may be a historical phrase, but it is not used widely. That is the point I am making. "Power to the _" has been used widely.
us: thinks a blog is cool
us: thats a bad phrase to use
somebody: describes a weird semi translation of it
us: what the fuck
"my headmate is evil!"
>looks into headmate
>scared headmate with fight response
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Alters are not literally children. That's my contribution to the current little discourse. If they're allowed to do things like drive, manage households, raise other children, do taxes, etc. they are allowed to do things like drink alcohol, do drugs, and have sex. It's up to the individuals decide what is best for their system and healing.
Also let's not call adults pedophiles/pedophilic for doing adult things with other adults, maybe. Just an idea. Have your icks, but lets not water down what pedophilia is. Thank you.
if the future is plural are you silencing all systems into submission that dont want to be plural
if the future is female are you silencing trans men into submission (like many were raised) just because they identify under an old standard? are you forcing them to detransition? are you forcing men to live with dysphoria too in addition to the currently standard dysphoria trans people themselves live with until/in the process of transitioning?
if the future is queer, do you silence everyone into hiding or silence if they aren't queer?
if the future is trans, do you silence all cis people into submission or force them to transition?
the future is claims are all just genocide targeted at different groups, usually groups that currently hold majority. what is the point of genocide.
I genuinely do not understand how "people with CDDs should have access to CDD spaces regardless of their stance on endogenic systems" became a hot take.
Some of y'all have spent so much time arguing online that you've lost sight of what the real problems are. Endos and whether they are real or not is not the problem. They don't even come close to being the problem.
People with CDDs commonly experience profound interpersonal difficulties, significant functional impairment, and high rates of self-harm and suicidality. That is a real problem that needs addressing. Many people with CDDs spend 5-12 years in the mental health system before receiving an accurate diagnosis, often receiving multiple misdiagnoses along the way. That's another real problem. Trauma survivors with dissociative disorders are at increased risk of experiencing further victimization. That's a huge fucking problem that I've personally experienced countless times that the anti vs pro debate never helped me with. Let's not overlook how substance use disorders are a common comorbidity. Also something I personally struggled with.
Want a source for all of this? Here you go.
Don't wanna click the link? Here's screenshots with ALT text:
You don't have to agree with someone's opinions to recognize that they deserve support. Excluding someone with a CDD from community or resources because they disagree with you about a controversial and ultimately unwinnable discourse topic doesn't make the community healthier. All you're doing is leaving one more traumatized person without a place to turn.
If we care about people with CDDs, these real issues should come before winning discourse. Love people with CDDs more than you hate endos.
Some context on why "the future is plural" is taken so negatively. It was originally coined by user sophieinwonderland who is known for leaning into anti endos worst assumptions (as well as long list of messed up things she's done, but I digress). She has stated that for her "the future is plural" means more systems (presumably by exposure to tulpamancy and willogenic resources). From an anti endo perspective, this insistence on creating more systems would be a push to traumatize more children.
‘the future is plural’ was not ‘coined’ by this person — ‘the future is [X]’ is a phrase that has existed for a really long time. this person is just an account on here that committed to using this phrase for plurality and pushing it. they did not ‘coin’ anything, and do not have monopoly over purpose or meaning of this phrase.
and even then — if her definition is ‘more systems’ and she’s pro-endo, she is not saying she wants more children to be abused. that conclusion literally only comes from deliberately misinterpreting what she means so you can push the idea that endogenic systems don’t exist.
you even acknowledge that this is presumed to be through things like tulpamancy/willomancy, which already shows it’s not being framed as trauma-based in the first place. so acting like it secretly means ‘let’s traumatise more children into dissociative fragmentation of self identity’ is so disingenuous.
if you accept that endogenic systems do exist, then ‘more systems’ does not equal ‘more trauma.’ there is no abuse in the mix. you only get to that conclusion by ignoring the premise entirely and replacing it with your own. which is a point i made directly in my original post.
All of this!
Just to really drive the point home though on why this is bad faith, I do think it would be one thing if the sysmed were ignorant about created systems.
If you are an outsider to a community and judging it from the outside, you might not be aware of everything that happens within the community. You might not be aware of its views.
For example, in the tulpamancy community, we have a term called "possession." When somebody outside of the community hears that, they would probably first assume that possession was something spiritual. They might also assume that it's another word for switching. In reality, what we call possession is usually an experience where one headmate, generally the tulpa, takes control of the body or part of the body without fully switching in to front.
You would be completely forgiven for not knowing that if you were outside of the community. I can definitely see how that term would be confusing.
Likewise, if you were completely unfamiliar with the endogenic community and genuinely did not realize that created systems are supported by the entire endogenic community, and you weren't aware of practices like tulpamancy/willomancy that involve creating headmates, you could definitely be forgiven for being ignorant.
From your point of view, in that specific scenario where you didn't know better, it would be true that this sounds like traumatizing children.
The reason this is bad faith though is because, while there are a lot of areas where the sysmed community may be ignorant about the endogenic community, this isn't one of them! I mean, there is the entire anti-willoverse flooding the anti-endo tags that by its very nature acknowledges willogenic systems.
So if I'm to say that I want a future with more systems, the anti-endo community knows that this doesn't mean to traumatize children from our perspective.
For all the things they are legitimately ignorant on, they are not that ignorant!
So whenever this line comes up... It's just bad faith. It is a bad faith argument that requires the anti-endo to actively play dumb and pretend they don't understand something they very much understand!
Also, I do want to clarify that more systems is part of it, but not necessarily the primary goal as the anon implied. It's part of the cascade. Normalizing created systems in the world makes it safer to spread practices for creating systems. Then more people who would want to create systems can do so. Then there are more created systems to help further normalize plurality.
The more plural systems there are, the more power we have as a community. The easier it is to reach that accepting society where one day every system who feels comfortable doing so can be out as plural, to their friends and their families and their jobs and their schools! And where plural systems are a large enough consumer demographic where major corporations will build in accommodations for systems. And where we are a large enough voting demographic that we start to see bills passing specifically to protect plural rights.
it's not really about abusing children. its really about denying the existence of being singlet as even wanted by anyone. people that claim its about abusing children are just phobic of endogenics. encouraging child abuse is an excuse when in reality insisting "the future is _" denies everyone that "not _" is a valid identity. thats why so many queer trans and lgbtqiap+ people have trauma, even if they dont acknowledge it.
please use a better phrase than "delete the current system in favour of my particular identity" because that leads to genocide
Watch my blog get flamed for being too literal with no consideration of me being disabled. lol
for. for your 'the future is plural post' from the perspective of a singlet who just so happens to have a bunch of plural friends and a plural queerplatonic partner (i knew one person as plural originally everyone else was prediscovery including my partner)
all systems I know seem to be doing happier post discovery and once theyre able to show theyre plural. like. my partners, the host has gotten a lot better since learning shes more than one and is then able to lean on other for help, i make sure to be kind and help anyone new who splits. like. they still struggle with everyday thigns n depression n stuff but thats both not linked to plurality and existed before discovery. my friends who found out theyre olural have also been doing better since, ive spoken to some of their alters and its like. nice to be able to talk to everyone for who they are.
and from my point of view THATS the plural future people mean. not like. 'oooh lets abuse children' its like. oh plurality n did and other systems are not evil and dont have 'evil alters' and that introducing yourself to someone might be 'hi, im [name] from [name] system, its nice to meet you!' without anyone giving you a dirty look. and i like that future!! i want that future for my friends and partners! and selfishly I'd also benefit from that future!! i could say 'im [name], my partners are all a part of [name] system!' without someone trying to tell me 'so you just have one partner then. because one body=one partner', i know i could say partners without needing to fear clarifying could equal danger for my partners! i could say partners instead of partner!! and maybe thats a bit selfish but also everyone is a bit selfish. idk
anyone whos misinterpreting your post has to be doing it maliciously if even singlets can see what you mean better than them lmao
this, this, this!
why would advocating for more inclusivity, understanding, and practical support for people who function as plural be harmful?
to interpret something like ‘the future is plural’ as promoting trauma requires starting from a deeply biased position. you have to already assume the worst possible intent and then work backwards from there. no one reacts this way when people say ‘the future is queer’ or ‘the future is female’ — except people who are already committed to viewing it as something wrong or threatening (bigots).
choosing to interpret it as endorsing harm against children isn’t a misunderstanding - it’s purposefully bad faith, and often just thinly veiled bigotry. it’s twisting someone’s words into something harmful so you don’t have to confront what they actually mean.
sadly there are many who take things literally and dont have input from other resources to not be put off by "the future is female" (does that mean erase me because im trans?) or "the future is plural" (does that mean force everyone who isnt plural into calling themselves plural) or the future is queer (im queer, but does that make everyone forced to conform to queerness??)
i feel threatened by these statements because even though even if im part of the group "the future is for", it erases other identities in the literal statement rather than specifying an actual definition with it of "we aren't going to try to erase identities here" esp with "the future is female" and current culture of denying trans men livelihood
Please do not make blanket statements of "they must be assuming this maliciously" when the literal statements imply erasure of other identities
tfw no one used to complain about Grammarly but now everyone complains about AI
I could never be pro-endo. They have sent me too much hate and death threats and harassed me. They have forced their beliefs in tags where they don't belong. And they treat plurality in a way that makes me uncomfortable. It demedicaizes my medical experiences.
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I could never be anti-endo. They have sent me too much hate, death threats and harassed me. They have forced their beliefs in tags where they don't belong. And they treat systemhood in a way that makes me uncomfortable. Always overly medical to the point of excluding outlier cases of the disorder that are recognized in research and in the DSM.
maybe transfems that support genocide of their brothers are getting banned because they support genocide of their brothers
is there any social media where the larger transfem community isn't transphobic?
like i dont understand why there is fighting against trans people being masculine.
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This is such a good illustration of emotional abuse
Just a reblog to spread the most UN noticed abuse, be aware
and reminder for everyone to be patient with your loved ones who apologize constantly, or have a really emotional reaction to something that seems insignificant to you.
Another post that breaks my theme. But I really like seeing problems myself and other people have being explained in such a wonderful way