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Rich people are always telling the rest of us that if we are short of money, we should stop eating out or going out to movies or clubs or concerts. And now that we have, the economy is collapsing and they want us to eat out and spend on diversions again as soon as possible.
Rocky ran up to me, gave me this pebble, and did a flirty little dance while making happy noises. Which is the rooster equivalent of a proposal. A truly devastating blow to my boyfriend. The man who helped raise him.
I understand why people dislike leather and animal products. But leather is such a good resource? Like⊠My mom bought a sturdy leather coat in 1989. Iâm in my 20âs and I now wear that coat. Thatâs a 30 year old coat? 30 years, two generations, one coat. Versus, like⊠A plastic one, that rips and gets thrown out, or releases bits into the ecosystem every time itâs washed, takes a billion years to decompose, lasts maybe a decade if youâre super duper careful, and uses oil products in itâs construction. Like, yeah leather is expensive and comes from a living animal, and Iâm not saying that you should go out and buy fifty fur and leather products for the heâll of it, but like⊠Maybe the compromise is worth it? One animal product, valued and respected and worn down for generations, versus like⊠Six plastic products that will never ever go away?
idk, I could be wrong.
this is why im so fucking pissed white colonial fucks and white vegans get so enraged at indigenous people for using hides/leather and animal bones as if that shit breaks or rips like cheap polyester does
Remember, kids:
Itâs not âvegan woolâ, itâs plastic.
Itâs not âvegan leatherâ, itâs plastic.
Itâs not âvegan furâ, itâs fucking plastic. Itâs all plastic.
Itâs all fucking plastic, and every time you wash it, or damage it, or try to dispose of it, that plastic winds up in the water, in the earth, in the air.
Hell, the damage has already done when the fucking thingâs been made. As the OP says, itâs all oil and oil products; it creates pollution just to produce synthetic fabrics and materials, even before you try to throw them away, which, I mean, good luck with that.
A lot of vegan ideology is built up around a very superficial set of ethics that are supposedly about protecting animals, wildlife and the environment, but they fall apart when you look even a little bit below the surface. Every time you eschew an animal-based product in favour of something âsyntheticâ for the sake of âsaving an animalâs lifeâ, youâre creating pollution and trash that wonât go away for thousands of years, damaging the Earth and making life so much worse for countless animals and people.
Think about this stuff more than not at all, please.
Eeeeeeverybody loves to get up my asshole because I wear fur. Yeah? Okay then.
When you live somewhere with -40C winter temperatures, you realize that pragmatism and warmth trump all other considerations.
Iâm in and out of cars and buildings all day, every day. I have to dress for the weather and fur is hands down one of the warmest things you can wear â ask the fucking Inuit.
So you know what I do?
I check consignment stores. I check estate auctions. I get family heirloom furs.
I buy furs that are literally older than I am, in styles that would consign them to the dumpster, and then get them tailored to fit. My fur earmuffs? Salvaged fur from a coat that was ripped and functionally useless. My fur short coat? A fur that got raggedy and moth-eaten at the bottom and so was hemmed to hip height. My long fur coat is almost fifteen years older than I am, and Iâm thirty one years old. Do that math.
So yes. I wear fur, because it fits my needs, my budget, and my ethics. The vegans wearing pleather can kick a brick. Only one of our coats is going to destroy the planet, and it isnât my grandmotherâs mink stole.
Not to mention the fact that buying these natural leather products from indigenous peoples both subverts capitalism (that wants you to buy cheap shit that breaks), and also supports indigenous communities and artisans.
Iâm reading the notes and itâs really cute when people go âbut use hemp! Use cotton! Try linen!â
Yeah?
Imma wear linen when the weather looks like this:
I am NOT going to wear hemp, linen or cotton when the weather looks like this:
When the weather outside is frightful, Iâmma make like an Inuit and dress like this:
(Also, as you say: it is possible to responsibly source ethical furs. I prefer furriers like Victoria Kakuktinniq, who is an Indigenous Inuit fashion designer who interprets traditional fur designs for a modern sensibility. The funds from her clothing â and from other northern Indigenous communities â allows those northern communities to maintain their cultural traditions, while also introducing a much-needed revenue stream. If you have to buy fresh fur, Indigenous furriers are a good bet!)
@acti-veg this is justâŠ. *sigh*
Which part is *passive aggressive sigh*?
Would it be the:
-reuse of fabrics and furs that are generally anywhere from 10-50 years old?
-recycling and repurposing of old or otherwise unusable materials like leather and fur to make smaller items like jackets, vests, gloves, hats and balaclavas?
-support for Indigenous traditions, handicrafts and artisans?
-recognition of the fact that there are very few plant-based products that will stand up to winters where the average temperature is anywhere from -20 to -50
I know, I know. Your ethics are itchy and itâs very simple to talk that good shit.
But let me introduce you to a Canadian phenomena: frostbite.
Frostbite occurs when your cells freeze. Your cells.
Ice crystals begin to form in cells in temperatures lower than -4C, which is what Canadians call âspring, fucking finallyâ.
In the teeth of winter, you get maybe ten hours of sunlight a day and your highest temperature is still double digits below 0C and the weather channel is saying âWEATHER WARNING: skin freezing in 30SECONDSâ, and the government has put out a WEATHER EMERGENCY: EXTREME COLD WARNING.
When the weather is that severe, we donât actually get the luxury of waxed cotton, woollen peacoats and a few layers of linen.
Sanctimony and sighs and good intentions donât keep us warm.
Seriously, it hit -50F here last winter, linen and cotton donât do fuckall in those temps.
Well, thatâs not true. They DO, actually. They get wet from sweat and then get clammy and suck the heat out of you, leading to frostbite. Polyester is plastic, and I avoid that, because itâs bad for the environment.
You know what actually keeps you warm when it hits -50F? Wool, fur, and down. All animal products, all renewable and biodegradable, and all of which will last years with proper care.
I have two fur coats, both of which I paid $20 or less for at thrift stores, and both of which are vintage. Wool doesnât harm the sheep itâs sheared fromâŠthey need to be sheared to stay healthy, actuallyâŠand down is harvested from animals that will be eaten, meaning none of the animal goes to waste.
Ah, yes. Truely, sheep live terribly. (Note; sheep wool is useless unles they have good pasture theyâre raised on)
Ah, yes, the sheep are so mistreated when theyâre sheared. A whole four minutes and theyâre done. Itâs like giving a fussy toddler a haircut.
And if theyâre NOT shorn, you get flystrike, which Iâm not going to post a pic of here because it is very unpleasant. Basically, flies lay eggs on the thick wool and the larvae eat the sheepâs skin off. It can be fatal.
https://www.fwi.co.uk/livestock/health-welfare/livestock-diseases/parasitic-diseases/fly-strike-warning-warm-wet-weather-continues
But please, tell me, the granddaughter of farmers who lives in farm country and who has neighbors who keep sheep, how sheep work.
Hi Iâm the OP and I grew up dirt poor on a Canadian sheep farm and I support this message
To even pull away from cold weather folks, my people are all from Texas and Louisiana and leather is 100% useful for so many things. Tanned hides were a common good for us and surrounding tribes because theyâre fucking awesome when it comes to rain protection, provide quick shade in the heat, and were a great way to protect your ass when riding an animal.
Tanned hides work great as a base for moccasins, because itâs thick enough to protect your feet from the heat of the packed dirt, and thin enough that your feet donât sweat to death inside of them. In boots, I donât trust any material that isnât leather or reptile skin to protect me from animals or the elements.
Yâall really need to look at your anti fur/leather/wool campaigns and recognize the anti-Indigenous sentiment that runs through all of them.
All of this. I echo all of this. This is part of the reason why I donât agree with veganism for ethical reasons.
Light-weight wool, like wool crepes, also make GREAT summer clothing. Wool is an insulator, y'all. It will keep you warm if done one way, yes, but it can also be super lovely and cool.
Also I donât have sources rn, but organic cotton is SUPER not sustainable.
Yea, Iâm not gonna go off on people who buy/wear plastic or polyester clothes, as thatâs whatâs commonly accessible. BUT it does bother me when plastic/polyester clothes are lauded as somehow âsustainableâ because they âsave animal livesâ.
They do not, and they are not. Plastics do not decompose. They go straight into landfills and oceans. They cannot be salvaged or reused much beyond their original use.
Natural materials (fur, leather, bone, and yes, plant-based materials like linen and cork) DO decompose. Humans have been using them to clothe ourselves for millenia. Of course it isnât ethical or sustainable to use them and dispose of them at the fever pitch that was done by white colonialist settlers in North America in the 1800s-1900s. But once again this is a âcapital-imperialist mindsetâ problem, not a âfur/meat harvesting is inherently evilâ problem.
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remember: the âholyâ white doves are just white rock doves, aka the common pigeon!
Doves are just pigeons with white privilege
Also can we talk about how STUNNING their irredentist feathers are?
This post made me finally look up whether Australian crested pigeons are also doves, and I didnât quite understand the wiki page but I think the answer is âyesâ.
You guys are gonna go ham when you hear about fruit doves
Minimum wage: $7.25
$7.25 x 40 hour full time work week: $290
$290 x 4 weeks per month: $1,160
In every Southern state (didnât have time to look at the rest of the country) you can find some sort of studio apartment for around $500 per month, sometimes less than that. Why bother lying about something so easily disproven?Â
Because Bernie Sanders supporters arenât going to fact check him, and theyâll ignore any contrary evidence thatâs presented to them anyways.
Things like this really tick me off and Itâs not political or anything but itâs the fact that you think all that money is there. Hereâs what I mean;
That weekly check comes to, according to you, 290. Most places DO NOT pay for your half hour lunch that is required by law. So your beginning number was wrong. $7.25 x 7.5 hours a day x 5 days a week only gets you $271.88. Â Most people in America get paid bi-weekly, so letâs double it to get the budget. $543.75. Thatâs GROSS, not NET. Out of that comes anywhere between 10% and 15% taxes depending on state so weâll low ball it at 10%. Automatically down to $489.38 a pay check. Now health insurance. Usually anywhere from 70-100 a pay check for the cheapest plans. Again, weâll low ball and go $70. So now we have $419.39 a paycheck. x 2 Â = $839.Â
Eight hundred thirty nine dollars. A MONTH.
But again, you seem to think thatâs fair. So letâs proceed. You say rent is $500? Okay. This person now has $339 left to buy groceries for the whole month, pay utilities, car payment, car insurance, and gas money to get to work.Â
Those are the bare needs. You have to eat. You have to pay for heat, water, garbage removal, gas and or electricity because apartments do not always include things and rarely all of the above. Most cities in America do not have public transportation. Mine doesnât despite the fact that our population is over 15,000 people, not counting a taxi. If you have a car, you have to pay that. If you have a car, legally you have to have car insurance. You have to pay that. You have to have gas in that car to get to work to make that money.
Now if you can tell me you can get all of that out of $339 youâre lying.
You are so focused on rent that you arenât thinking about everything else people have to pay for. Rent was an example. This is a breakdown of the budget you gave me and itâs not possible to live off that in 2017 America.Â
And BECAUSE this person makes over $800 a month, they probably wonât qualify for financial aid or food stamps. $800 is the line in my state where they wonât help you. No food stamps, financial aid, or government housing if you make more than $800 a month.Â
Why does it bother you that people deserve to live above the poverty line?
âLol, Bernie supporters wonât fact checkâ you didnât even check yourself.