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New Teen Titans
I know we are all excited about this, and as I’ve posted a couple times today, we have been shown and mini preview for the first issue and what it’ll look like
This is only solidifying my excitement and the fact that I KNOW I will love wildcard but beyond that
I LOVE the style of this and all the colors are just so nice to look at
I cannot wait till we get more information in ref to this and an actual preview !!
Drove on the highway by myself for the first time. Came back successfully in one piece! I never want to do that again. (I will have to do that again.)
They did NOT have to go so hard with the panel design in the latest Moon Knight but God I'm glad they did. Look at all of this.
The lines, the use of negative space, the skyscraper windows dividing the panels only for the characters to pop out in the last frame, the rearview mirror being used to frame MK's approach. The TRUNCHEONS, the fire escape, seeing Marc's heartbeat on the page as DD notices it.
If you're not reading Marc Spector: Moon Knight (or any of the other Mackay MK runs) you absolutely should. The artists are having SO much fun.
lowkey i think if dc wants to do jayrose so bad they should actually commit to it. like okay, sure. let's hear it, then. gimme a little show-don't-tell. give them a significant amount of page time together. let's have red hood/ravager (2027). just gimme something, anything, other than "this relationship is endgame :) why? because of course it is :)"
THANK YOU FOR PUTTING THIS INTO WORDS.
Look, I’m as much of a canon purist as anyone, but one thing that does irritate me is when other canon purists shit on people they deem “fanon fans who’ve never read the source material” because they “over-exaggerate” the interpersonal relationships between characters.
Now, don’t get me wrong, the vast majority of comic book families are at best dysfunctional, and at worst held together with questionable legality and duct tape, and none of them are like what you find in Wayne Family Adventures. BUT!!!! it’s also crucially important to me that people realise that the vast majority of relationship building in comic books happen off-panel.
Like sure, the Bats probably aren’t standing together and singing kumbaya, but it’s also not necessarily non-canon to suggest that they do have more of a sibling/friendly relationship than what we generally see on page. Just off the top of my head, we get minor references to the Dick and Jason ski trip; Jason and Tim joking about Alfred’s waffles together; the Jason, Steph, and Cass anti-Valentine’s Day dance party; Steph meeting Jason for coffee before he leaves on a plane and calling him her friend; Tim and Damian promising to still hang out even if Tim’s on sabbatical; the Batfamily group chat which has been shown to be active in multiple titles and issues. All of which implies that there was relationship building which we as readers simply were not privy to. Like sure, I don’t think that characters like Jason and Cass would be close, but it’s also important to note that comic writers are often limited to something like 20 pages – it’s up to readers to fill in the gaps with the snippets we do get, and doing so doesn’t make you a LARPer or a fake-fan.
I need a willis year one comic because I need to know what that guys deal was. He was in so many situations. Jason inherited his ability to get into situations from him
OP’s tags just made me think of a Willis Todd POV comic like:
July 17th. What a night! Shiva rowed me over to the little island…
You know how DC KO is kinda a soft-reboot allowing characters to move into a new stage and all that? Well, I’m definitely not a Bruce-anti, but I do think there would be something compelling about a Batman arc which does allow Bruce to reckon with the ways that he is a flawed parent. Obviously, Bruce is and always will be a bit emotionally-constipated, and he does already see some of his flaws, but rather than viewing them as ‘this problem was created because I failed in this way, so now I have to fight this,’ I think it would be interesting if it was viewed from the perspective of Bruce as a parent rather than Bruce as a vigilante. I love Bruce, and I love that he is flawed, but I do think there is still a lot to be said about the possibility of Bruce choosing to do something different to help his kids when they need it, and it working. Being able to break the cycle before it even reaches the next generation. Idk I love him, and he has such a big heart, so I’d just like to see more of it come out in his decision making process. It wouldn’t even have to go against the editorial law that Batman cannot be wrong ever because it would be his decision. AND it’s a message which has worked in other Batman media.. idk
One of my favourite things about Bruce Wayne as a character is that, in universe, it’s so easy to presume that Batman’s greatest strength is his brain, with his detective skills and strategies. Or it could be his body, which he’s turned into a weapon through years of training so that he can be the best and do what nobody else can do. But it’s only those closest to him that realise that Batman — that Bruce’s — biggest strength is his incorruptible heart. He is a bleeding heart and an optimist at his core, and I need everyone (*cough* DC studios *cough*) to realise that that’s what makes Batman so special.
Brutalia except they never got divorced because it’s until death do us part, and they have both died, so there’s no need since they adhered to the terms.
I love Jason Todd. I think he’s a very nuanced character, and I love when we see his own moral code in action, because it does have a lot of merit, and even when he was a “villain”, he was still trying to do good.
BUT. I do think there is a really poetic sense of irony in going from Jason Todd, Red Hood, scourge of the Gotham Underworld, crime lord, pimp, drug and weapons dealer, who will shoot a goon and feel no remorse, who will beg Batman to abandon his moral code and kill…
… to Red Hood, hero, Outlaw, Titan, mentor to Generation Outlaw and the Teen Titans, one of the Robins, Bat. Someone who is unashamedly good, and for all his methods, on the side of the angels.
Because even if Jason disagrees with Batman’s no-kill rule, the hero that he is today could be argued to be a product of it. Had Bruce decided to start killing after Jason’s death, who is to say that he wouldn’t have just shot Jason before the identity reveal? Batman’s entire identity is born out of his genuine goodness, his belief that everyone deserves another chance to do good… and even if I don’t think that Jason was a particularly bad person to begin with, a lot of his “redemption” (which I will argue is very self-motivated, as opposed to being due to Bruce’s actions necessarily) and Jason’s growth is the proof that Batman’s no-kill rule can work.
Disclaimer: I feel like this is a lot more nuanced than I can fully explain. No, I do not think that Jason was ever comparable to the Joker or any of those he wanted Bruce to kill. No I don’t think that Bruce can be credited with causing Jason’s growth and development (something I think is explicitly plot relevant to RHATO, especially N52 when everyone telling Jason he’s a bad person). No, I don’t think that Bruce was always a great parent to Jason, even after he started to “reform”. Yes, I do think things like the Batarang incident complicate this point. BUT… I do think that, even if Jason doesn’t realise it, the mercy which Bruce often shows to his rogues did allow him the opportunity to grow into the hero that he is today, which he would not have achieved if Bruce had just shot him the second he turned up in Hush.
As much as I like it when Red Hood kills, because it gives him something unique which separates him from the rest of the Batfamily, I am actually quite open to Jason’s current development (July 2026).
At the end of Batman (2016-2025), it did seem like Jason was going back to using guns and killing, which the ill-fated Red Hood solo also seemed to support, and sure, I would absolutely love to see a book wherein Jason can define his own moral compass and deliver his own form of vigilante justice without Bruce popping up every few issues to remind him of the no-kill rule.
BUT! I can also appreciate the new direction that DC is choosing to take his character in. I absolutely adored Jason’s issue of DC KO; I feel like it really allowed Jason to take a breath, step back, and assess certain truths in his life, whilst also being quite positive for his future. It’s not necessarily stated what his views are on killing, given the nature of DC KO (though I would argue he did seem quite positive about the prospect), but it did feel like taking that first really important step forward. If we now consider that he’s about to appear in Teen Titans, this doesn’t feel like the Jason we were going to see in the Red Hood solo: Jason isn’t moving to his own city and defining his own rules, but he is (presumably) going to take on a nurturing mentor relationship with a group of child-sidekicks again.
He may use guns, he may kill. But I do think the idea of Jason, after DC KO, ultimately deciding not to take that step back and distance himself more, but to give back (whilst still separate from the Bats and presumably outside of Gotham) can still be good for his character development. Whilst a gun-wielding, murdering Red Hood taking on New Angelique would have been a step towards independence, I do also think there is sometime to be said for Jason taking on the responsibility for these kids and surrounding himself with life — especially if he is able to be the protector for these kids that Bruce, for all he tried, could not always be for him.
I am begging Batfanon fans to read canon.
Listen. Listen to me. WFA is fun. I'm not an anti-WFA person. Nor am I anti-reading fanfic when you're not in the fandom (it confuses me, sure, but I'm not against it). These things are fun, you're having fun! That's great! But did you know you can have fun with canon? That the canon content isn't as bad as a lot of people make it out to be?
I know comic spaces can be scary, especially if you're female. But I, as a WFA-fan turned comic reader in less than a year, have had a good time regardless of the specific spaces. You just gotta block, man. Just block liberally. Find your spaces. Or even better, ignore them all and have fun on your own! That's my fandom fatigue talking but still, nothing says you have to appeal to the other fans. You do you.
"But what if I can't access comics—" Look I get it. Comics are expensive. I have spent an obscene amount on my first shelf. And some countries struggle to even get any in, or maybe you live far from a comic book shop. That sucks! But you know comics are online, right? DC has tons of theirs on their subscription service. There are some on Kindle. Hell, your local library probably has some! I literally saw someone logging Under the Red Hood into the library system the other day!
(And there's always sailing the high seas. This is what I did before I bought my first comics, and I still do it now. There are plenty of websites out there. Just remember never to post the names, be careful, and don't pirate ongoing runs that could detrimentally affect the creators. Comics aren't a stable business, and we need to support artists in whatever way we can.)
"But there are so many comics it's overwhelming—" Listen. Listen, buddy. There really aren't. It looks like a lot, but trust me, there aren't that many out there. You guys are coming in with the advantage that you're already vaguely aware of character names, storylines, personalities, etc., so pick one character you like and look up a reading list. There are tons. What I did was look up reading lists and compare several to see which books multiple people were recommending. Alternatively, pick one with a cool cover and go. Seriously. If you like it, cool, if you don't, choose another one.
And don't go in thinking you have to read everything about everyone. If you're like me, you'll hyperfixate on one character and read every major appearance of theirs, yet neglect another because you don't like them. That's cool! That's fine! I'm an expert on Jason Todd, but I have never willingly read a Tim Drake comic. You don't have to. This is for fun. Read for fun.
Believe me. Canon is good. Canon is not always the miserable, awful experience that so many fearmonger. You can still read your fluffy Batfanon fics and keep up with WFA. There's nothing wrong with that. But please. If you even read one single comic this year, just one, I'll be proud of you.
Jason's monologue in UTRH was a monologue because that's the only way his voice and his thoughts can reach us in a story that decline his narrative. It was a monologue because that was him confronting and questioning Bruce, the narrative about everything he represents and more. It was a monologue because it represents a shift from a narrative that include everybody but the victim to the victim's narrative.
It was a monologue because it was Jason forcing the readers and Bruce to listen to his narrative, to see his perspective, do hear about his thoughts and know about his minds and to see the world the way it is. It was a monologue so we could understand Jason. It was a monologue because it was truthful, honest, sincere, and it was a monologue because-
Because it was not a dialogue, because a dialogue would require Bruce to respond to Jason with the same level of effort that Jason did, but he didn't. It was a monologue because this guy is pissing you off when Jason was standing there, fighting tooth and nail for Bruce to understand him and he made an effort to understand Bruce, to hear his reasoning too; but Batman was pissing you off because not only he didn't make an effort to respond to Jason with the same kind of effort that Jason did, he also shove away all of Jason's effort claiming that he wouldn't understand.
Jason was showing Bruce his heart bleeing in his ribcage, all his emotions and thoughts and tears and let him and the readers hear the anger in his voice when he said "Why on gods' earth is he still alive?!?" and the tremble in his voices when he said "...because he took me away from you." And all Bruce can answer him is just "I can't"?
He asked Bruce multiple times and wanted to hear from his perspective but Bruce just told him that he won't understand.
He tried his best to, was desparated to understand Bruce and to listen to his reasons and all Bruce did is pulled the cliche "If I do that, I'd never be able to go back." To respond to all the things Jason said! That motivating, moving speech! Just that cliche reasoning. Ignoring what he'd done in the past... I swear that that's not even good enough for the readers and you know that, let alone Jason. He really just went "Yeah I want to kill him I want to kill Joker so bad I really want to kill him I thought about it but I won't anyway."
Jason talked with words, words, moving and powerful and sincere words and Bruce respond with cliche, shallow, useless words like he basically just "I can't. I'm sorry. I just can't." "I'm sorry I failed you, Jason." "Stop this, you know I won't..." "Stop..." "No..." "Don't..."
At least... at least try to respond with some more effort, even just half as what Jason did! It was a monologue because Jason was the only one who was trying to talk and was trying to... try and Bruce was there and he just went I'm sorry I can't don't stop no. Like hello. He was truly disregarding all of Jason's effort and hard work by simply standing there, hemming and hawing, and saying, uhm hmn hnnn I can't. He didn't even try. (Like did he really even listen to Jason's word and let that get into his head, like actually listen and try to understand what Jason was trying to say and his perspective and try to understand why Jason felt that way why he was so angry and how he was showing Bruce how it felt like to be ignored and disregarded as victim, did he even try.)
Jason poured his whole heart into that conversation and confrontation, he was deadly serious, whereas Bruce was just..........
And then he/ the narrative just silenced Jason shut him down wtf ughh I can't.
Bruce and Talia being cute in the new Dark Knights of Steel. <3
DC, listen. This is an Elseworld. You do not need to make this Talia evil. You do not have to put her in the same narrative role that mainline Talia has been shoved into. She can have a different role. It's an alternate universe. It's fine. Diana and not-Kara are dating, you don't need to break up Brutalia to shoehorn in the inevitable Batcat pairing. Just this once, can we please just have a world where Talia actually does manage to escape her father's control and side with Bruce?
some time ago I saw a few takes that Jason doesn't even really help crime alley and probably only makes it worse because he's just another crime lord who wants to control crime. and that it's batman/Bruce who really helps crime alley because he spends money on charities and helps as a vigilante. but like. it's literally in the text, in a canonical source material, that he would only go to crime alley on the anniversary of his parents death. it's literally how he meets Jason? also if batman is a vigilante then guess what? it's illegal. and what he does as said vigilante is guess what? control crime. he just does it in a different way than Jason but they aren't actually all that different. they just have different approach to it but it all boils down to "i'm gonna help this city and i'm gonna do it my way." but acting like batman is the embodiment of justice when what he does is just as illegal as what Jason does is really annoying to me. especially when people bring up the fact that Jason kills as if he was killing people left and right as a hobby. he doesn't and he doesn't want to and this is also literally in the text. Jason thinks of the past and future victims of the "villains" that could've and still can be saved but batman treats the "villains" as the victims too, as someone that can be helped while Jason feels like not all of them can be helped because he fell victim to one of them himself and he saw firsthand what no remorse looks like and to me this is why they can't see eye to eye. batman tries to be optimistic but Jason tries to be realistic. at the same time Jason doesn't think that all the "villains" should be killed but batman thinks that none of the "villains" should be killed at all and this is another thing that they disagree on imo. but the problem is also the fact that Bruce can't seem to view Jason as a victim too, not when Jason is back as if the crime he was a victim of had never happened. and Jason tries to show Bruce that he actually was a victim and that he knows what it feels like to be dismissed or to be ignored as said victim. that's why he forced Bruce to have a reaction where he wouldn't dismiss Jason's status of a victim that demands justice. but Jason didn't account for the fact that in Bruce's eyes joker was also a victim, especially in the situation they found themselves in during the final confrontation in utrh. it was Jason who is no longer a victim because he's not dead anymore vs joker who might become a victim if batman won't do anything. and batman can't allow to make a new victim now when he himself is looking. but Jason wants to make sure that there won't be any more victims of this one after this one. the father and son that will never find a common ground because neither of them is willing to change for the other fully and completely. Jason might be more willing to try because he strives for connections he could only have if he played by batman's rules but ultimately he still knows he doesn't agree with batman. and things go on and on and on and they'll probably never reconcile because despite similar goal in mind they're too different at the end of the day
I see people make the point that JT fans don’t like the character that currently exists in canon instead we like a version we’ve made up but the thing is we’re right. No one who likes Jason for his own sake likes the reckless criminally inclined fuckup characterization dc insists on. The only people that accept that direction for him are people who want him vilified, out of the way, or both. It’s lazy and insulting writing so ofc fans don’t buy it.
bruce feels so ooc in fraction's run, simply because for some reason, matty decided to instead of tailoring annika for bruce..he tailored bruce..to be a foil for dr.zeller..
what i mean by that is that he essentially stripped one of the fundamentals of batman, having hope in peoole, and wanting them to change for the better.
well apparently now bruce is a cynical mf who believes people cant change and dr.zeller is always right
if bruce never believed people could change why tf did he let jason go on multiple occasion? why is he still arguing with two-face/harvey? why isnt he locking up the joker in like..idfk...the negative zone?
bruce always tries to see the right in the wrong (which is also why his and talia's relationship is so important), stripping him of such a trait is dumb because now bruce..is just ..kind of an asshole for not locking these guys up in huge containment..
