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the thing is we dont personally know anyone who wrote it or worked behind it to film the video. so imp i dont think we should worry about the twins being transphobic; i mean have you seen bill? he outed the hell out of himself in 2005-2006, i personally dont think we should stress too much.
I’m going to go through this line by line to keep my thoughts together:
the thing is we dont personally know anyone who wrote it or worked behind it to film the video
We know what the boys have said about it, and they said (paraphrasing) that they considered having trans actors as foils to their cis actor, as if trans women are somehow less authentic than cis women. From the way Bill spoke about it, he was very involved in the casting. He wanted to have trans women in the video, then he vetoed that and chose drag queens instead. Bill claimed this as his own idea. So we do actually know some important information about how the video was made.
so imp i dont think we should worry about the twins being transphobic
Please don’t take this the wrong way, but who is “we” here? Are you trans, anon? I don’t want to assume you are cis so this is an honest question. If you are trans, we can absolutely talk in terms of “we”. If you are cis, please understand that a cis person worrying about their fave being transphobic is not the same as a trans person worrying about it.
i mean have you seen bill? he outed the hell out of himself in 2005-2006
Listen, I love Bill to death, because he is gender-variant. I can never state enough how important he was to me as a young queer growing up. But gender-variant cis people are not trans. Unless Bill is actually trans/non-binary, he is not an expert on trans identity or how to treat trans people. I think it’s very important to clarify here that gender non-conforming people who are cis can and even often do say and do transphobic things. Some of the most transmisogynistic people I’ve seen are drag queens!!! I’m not saying this is proof that Bill is transphobic!! I’m just saying it’s not proof that he isn’t either.
i personally dont think we should stress too much.
Again, who is “we”? If you are trans, thanks. If you are cis, please don’t tell me what I should stress about in matters that concern me.
Oh and this:
he outed the hell out of himself in 2005-2006
Gender expression =/= sexual orientation or gender identity. Also while I’m at it, sexual orientation =/= gender identity. Let’s not pretend like we know anything about Bill’s identity other than what he has told us in his own words. Less politely, fuck outta here with this logic, seriously.
i’d like to add two things to this really good post: 1. while this is a matter of transphobia, it is primarily a matter of transmisogyny. being dfab, this affects me but not by far as much as it affects trans women and it’s less of my business than theirs. idk about op - i’m just adding this because there’s nothing about it here that i caught (sorry if i missed it!). 2. even IF bill was trans, which is not the case, that would not give him a free card to be transphobic/drgrading towards other trans people.
Thank you for this context!! I’m also DFAB, and I recognize that my experience is different from that of trans women and trans feminine people, and while I know they exist in our fandom!! they haven’t spoken up about this to my knowledge. I have tried to acknowledge in every post on this topic that it primarily affects trans women and trans feminine people but I didn’t explicitly add that I am DFAB so I am doing that now. While I think I am reasonably entitled to have an opinion on trans issues, trans women of course would actually be the best voice on this topic!
I would love to have a dialogue with actual trans feminine people in fandom about this instead having these circular arguments with cis people. It would be a lot more productive and then maybe everyone would learn something. Until then I’m just going to keep trying to make our fandom a safe and welcome place for trans people. u_u
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/whispers/ tokio hotle have been saying offensive shit about the ggag video ever since it came out so why are you people only caring now
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