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Chu for sinday + fun sketch
THERE YOU ARE YOU LITTLE PIECE OF SH-
((Okay, Imagine Esther being all badguy- and her ditto just wants to make it all better <3 doing good things in her form.))
[[Human ver]]
Cannot doodle enough this precious woman child.
The Cycle.
“The forget-me-not flowers are a medium, “true blue”. And as the name suggests, they are given or used to decorate gifts with the hope the recipient will not forget the giver. It also symbolizes faithful love and memories.“
One day, I shall remember the again.
Alphys & Undyne - Undertale
Promise me...
Is it possible that Sir Fabian is a woman too, or perhaps the entirety of the loyce army I'd female. Ooohhh, now I want to make a build based on your headcanon...
For that I cannot say anything since I haven’t gathered any information xD Loyce set as well has the ability to get hp from fallen enemies (female only, I checked and apparently gender issue indeed is just a myth)
The king and her pets.
Whoops, I didn't notice the Ivory Queen part of the theory, all I saw was the post mentioning HP from opposite gender enemies, so it looked like there was some confusion on why the king would do that. The theory of them being a woman under that armor makes a good deal of sense.
It is actually pretty tricky so I understand the confusion o_O People seem to have two opinions how the armor works... I dunno I just recently heard the gender thing might indeed be just a rumor and not true? I still should try it myself but it would take some time.
I hate to be "that annoying guy with the reference book," but the HP recovery effect of Ivory King's armor actually applies to enemies of the opposite gender to the player character. It just happens that nearly all enemies in the game are male. :(
Hmm, I must say that it is little confusing for many places have informed that it doesn’t matter of gender but I say nothing to that since I haven’t tried it myself yet but now you mentioned it might have some point and make it gender related. ((edit: I checked some forums))
Anyhow, was the case either “10 hp from male enemies or 10 hp from opposite gender” or other… why would king still wear armor that absorbed hp only from small amount of enemies while he could absorb more hp from whole bunch of enemies? (now taking the fact that “most enemies are male in Dark Souls… and well yes, most knights and troop recruits are male.) It would still benefit him much more if he was female instead of male.
(This is sirjotero, just on my dedicated Souls side-blog.)
I was about to launch into a long, blathering spiel about how the “opposite gender” mechanic might also have broader implications for the Ivory King’s character – and could perhaps be a muddled attempt at commentary on gender relations – but then I re-checked the Wikidot wiki, and discovered that I was mistaken. The effect really does apply only to female characters, despite what I’d read on that same wiki at the time of the DLC’s launch.
From what I can tell, the “opposite gender“ mechanic seems to have made up of players who didn’t care to admit that they’d chosen fashion over function where their male characters were concerned.
At any rate, I just wanted to clarify that I agree with your theory – especially when one considers that priestesses were the clergy of Eleum Loyce. I just wanted to do a nitpicky fact-check, as I’m unfortunately prone to do. And I was wrong! Gah!
Don’t worry about it. Discussion is welcomed and if someone finds the thing about Ivory king otherwise I am fine with it, not pushing it to anyone as ultimate truth. I am just bringing up this theory that has been little in shadow. (and curse the game for giving us so little info that can mean everything xD)
I became pretty confused when I started to check what people have written in forums and it indeed seemed to split in half with opinions. Almost wanted to try it myself too but getting armor for two characters (male and female- I am not sure if the coffin gender change affects anything…?)
I might actually have an interesting theory! So it seems generally accepted that he built his kingdom around the chaos flame with the intent of keeping demons from running rampant. Considering that the majority of things we've seen resulting from the bed of chaos with an identifiable gender were female, perhaps this extends to the ones who's gender we can't easily identify, and the majority of chaos demons are female too? Then it would makes sense, it's for fighting demons, not humans.
Well it is told as general information in armor description that he placed himself at the mouth of chaos to be in frontlines. Yea, they fought against the Chaos by building the cathedral around it.
That gender thing... I dunno, it depends so much on view and well, there is really nothing in items to tell anything about the demons there, if not those who already exist in Drangleic. Angels and demons are considered to be genderless in some theories. We don’t see what’s coming from gates but you see these extra monsters.
Also gotta think about the game itself how it works. Though there are very little that differs from female characters and male character in Dark Souls, there must be something to trigger certain events for which gender your character is (like trigger one type of dialogue). Sure they wanted to make the armor more benefiting for females in game. But like I understand for example Desert sorceres, witches in crypt and shrine maidens are clear female enemies. But if we dig even deeper are all undead prisoners/warriors male? I just.. I dunno I find it odd that in Drangleic, in a country like... roughly said 99% are male enemies. (Didn’t curse touch both genders? and Aldia’s experiments.)
I know this goes even deeper and what I can really use is just info in item descriptions. I am not forcing my theory to anyone but it feels making most sense to me.
I hate to be "that annoying guy with the reference book," but the HP recovery effect of Ivory King's armor actually applies to enemies of the opposite gender to the player character. It just happens that nearly all enemies in the game are male. :(
Hmm, I must say that it is little confusing for many places have informed that it doesn’t matter of gender but I say nothing to that since I haven’t tried it myself yet but now you mentioned it might have some point and make it gender related. ((edit: I checked some forums))
Anyhow, was the case either “10 hp from male enemies or 10 hp from opposite gender” or other… why would king still wear armor that absorbed hp only from small amount of enemies while he could absorb more hp from whole bunch of enemies? (now taking the fact that “most enemies are male in Dark Souls… and well yes, most knights and troop recruits are male.) It would still benefit him much more if he was female instead of male.
Eleum Loyce. First encounter. 1
It’s hard to try to figure out what the armor looked when it wasn’t.. burned and ragged...
I imagine it to be silver shining just like Loyce set, cape and other beautiful cloth.
Ivory King.
Or Ivory queen?
I think the armor effect that works only on female characters is pretty big hint. Why would a king wear an armor that he couldn’t benefit? On a female it absorbs hp from fallen enemies. Especially if it’s completely unique armor of his. Even the helmet has a relief of a female face. Since Loyce Knight armor has the same effect on females, could the knights or at least most of them be women as well?
Plus, Alsanna, unlike her sisters isn’t associated with royalty titles. She is titled as an oracle. (But that doesn’t close the possibility for an affair or romance).
The description of a helmet of Ivory King’s set also hints that knights of Eleum Loyce didn’t show up in public without their helmets. And look at the king’s crown- isn’t it oddly much more feminine than other crowns, almost tiara like?
But why to be called a king then? I ponder if the reason is in social pressure, a real pressure or imagined one for there are three other kings.
Now someone is saying: but female ruler is always a queen! Well.. when we go back in history, there were even a female Pharaoh(s), the most known Hatshepsut, who despites the system and their gender named themselves the highest possible rank. The Ivory King (or Ivory Queen) was so brave they put themselves in front line at the gates of Old Chaos in order to protect.
The Ivory King kept his countenance from his people, the Knights of Loyce dutifully followed suit, never unhinging their helmets in public view"
People have brought up strong theories even from smaller hints so I think it is pretty safe to assume the Ivory King is a female and I have heard this theory earlier too but learnt it further on my own. The title Ivory made me think of a pale woman with light, thin hair typical to northern nations.