The Cloud Complex

Mediple physiogenic system of 65+ | pro all system origins | collective pronouns: they/them

[system-of-clouds]

Hi all, welcome!

We are The Cloud Complex, a traumagenic system formed due to chronic pain(physiogenic). We collectively answer to Cloud or Codex. The body is an adult and physically disabled.

We don’t use a dni. If we don’t wish to interact with someone for any reason, we will block immediately. If someone does not wish to interact with us, we invite you to unfollow or block us at any time /genuine. That said, we are pro-endo, pro-nontraumagenic and against the medicalization of all plurality.

More info about the folks who will likely be talking under the cut.

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Eren- closest thing we’ve got to a host, they/he/e

Cap- he/him

Helios- may be overly formal or blunt, he/they

Bot- inhuman little, no pronouns

Artemis- she/they/he

Davey- little, he/they

Calipso- she/her

Crescendo- 🎵/he

Amber- she/they

Ash- he/they

Cam- Any

Notes:

Nimbus is our shell identity/personality and isn’t a person.

The pronoun “e” denotes the pronoun set e/em/es/eir/emself.

Sign offs will now be formatted as headmate.soc, with soc standing for our username

[miscellaneous-snark]

I am a fully diagnosed DID system - I used to be anti-endo until a number of months ago when I had a startling realisation that made me reconsider everything:

Restricting the definition of who a label/concept can be applied to falls under the same philosophy that the systems that oppress the disabled fall under.

That is to say - restricting access so that imagined invaders and "appropriators" won't get in.

The endo "invaders" are not oppressors in any fashion. Hating them because our oppressors "won't take us seriously because of them" is joining the war on the side of the oppressors. It's only fighting ableism until the oppressors call out a target that's easy enough to punch down on.

We, as a community, can be better, more compassionate than that. Is this truly what being "radical" is? Stop punching down. For your own sake, too. Is this really the "good fight" you want to win? To remove all the "weirdos who don't belong?"

To my friends who still feel hurt, I understand. But the people you are fighting do not want to hurt you. They just want to understand their own individual human experience. If they are angry at us, they are not in the wrong. You know that rage, too, at being told that what you are is not real, or is impossible to take seriously.

You have been taught to value an idea of a "real" experience based in science. But that science is so limited. The DSM-5 is not a bible, it is written with the intent of treating us, making us more palatable, "worth our place in society". It is not something we should be thumping to ward off "impure" things. We do not need purity. We do not need sanctity. We need safety and community, so we need to build it.

If we view endos, willos, or any type of system as a pest, we will choke ourselves with pesticide to eradicate them. This is not kindness. This is not acceptance. It is cruelty.

Do not give in to the desire to punch down. It will kill you.

[movedaccounts111]

Yes, your friend will "change" if they come out as a system to you. They seem like they're changing because they're trying to unmask around you and let their alters be themselves and not hide amnesia and other aspects of the disorder as much.

I understand it can be hard to realize your friend isn't exactly how you thought they were, but they're still you're friend. It's likely you've met their other alters, they just didn't say who they were.

Please support you friend, even if it's seemed like they've changed.

[system-of-clouds]

Us: I don’t think I’m really plural, maybe median but we’re so connected it’s hard to tell

Also us: Who the hell put this in queue?!? When did we write this?!? Why does this person know our name?!? Why is my name John?!?

[system-of-clouds]

It’s been really fucking lonely here ever since we stopped co-fronting all the time

[system-of-clouds]

Hi! You're listed as the reference for https://pluralpedia.org/w/Oneiroway_System and I was hoping you could clear something up for me. Was the concept here similar to gateway systems or dreamways but for night dreaming instead of day dreaming? Or am I misreading?

Hello hello!

Basically it’s that an oneiroway system gains members when they sleep, through dreams. It doesn’t necessarily need to be at night when it happens. Daydreams happen when you are awake and dreamways gain members through daydreams. An oneiroway system gains headmates from dreams during sleep.

Does that make sense?

[system-of-clouds]

Ah well that’s complicated tbh. We made the term to describe an experience we have. When we added it to pluralpedia, we left it intentionally vague but did add the gateway tag. The issue is that we don’t have an innerworld and one of the aspects of gateway systems is having an innerworld. We imagine that most systems that acquire headmates through dreams would be gateway systems but we aren’t specifically.

So to answer your question more directly, yes we consider it a direct correlation to dreamway and also the method of entry, for our system, is through introjection.

[system-of-clouds]

Oops forgot to @th3m1nd3l3ctr1c

[system-of-clouds]

Hi! You're listed as the reference for https://pluralpedia.org/w/Oneiroway_System and I was hoping you could clear something up for me. Was the concept here similar to gateway systems or dreamways but for night dreaming instead of day dreaming? Or am I misreading?

Hello hello!

Basically it’s that an oneiroway system gains members when they sleep, through dreams. It doesn’t necessarily need to be at night when it happens. Daydreams happen when you are awake and dreamways gain members through daydreams. An oneiroway system gains headmates from dreams during sleep.

Does that make sense?

[system-of-clouds]

Ah well that’s complicated tbh. We made the term to describe an experience we have. When we added it to pluralpedia, we left it intentionally vague but did add the gateway tag. The issue is that we don’t have an innerworld and one of the aspects of gateway systems is having an innerworld. We imagine that most systems that acquire headmates through dreams would be gateway systems but we aren’t specifically.

So to answer your question more directly, yes we consider it a direct correlation to dreamway and also the method of entry, for our system, is through introjection.

[system-of-clouds]

Hi! You're listed as the reference for https://pluralpedia.org/w/Oneiroway_System and I was hoping you could clear something up for me. Was the concept here similar to gateway systems or dreamways but for night dreaming instead of day dreaming? Or am I misreading?

Hello hello!

Basically it’s that an oneiroway system gains members when they sleep, through dreams. It doesn’t necessarily need to be at night when it happens. Daydreams happen when you are awake and dreamways gain members through daydreams. An oneiroway system gains headmates from dreams during sleep.

Does that make sense?

[bluestrawberrybunny-main]

Ok so… in response to this poll that I made last night, why is the entire system at fault for what one alter did?

Because if everyone was their own separate person outside of the system, then the blame would be placed on that one person who fucked up.

You wouldn’t go around blaming their friends, family, and entire social group for what they did, right? Or would you?

Because last I checked, the only person responsible for someone’s actions is themself in the end. You can try to sway them, you can manipulate them, you can convince them, but ultimately they have a final say in their actions.

At least that’s what I’ve been taught.

So please enlighten me on why the entire system is at fault for the actions of one alter? I am just trying to learn why so I can try and better myself and keep all of my headmates from being at fault for my own stupid actions. /gen

-⛈️

[system-of-clouds]

Just throwing in our own two cents, the whole system is not at fault for what one alter did. The whole system is responsible for what happens after.

Entirely different concepts and executions. It’s not collective punishment, it’s collective responsibility.

[system-of-clouds]

Mercari seller why did you post a single ? at us. We have a job, we can’t respond to you immediately

[system-of-clouds]

Us: knows we are a system

Also us: forgets we are a system “Why are we engaging in X hobby, I like Y hobby better?”

[vesper-in-bloom]

Imagine my shock as a neurodivergent teen when I first realized that using large vocabulary and eloquent speech doesn't make you less likely to be misinterpreted, rather it adds an entirely new layer of misinterpretation I had never even realized existed in the form of people thinking you're being snobbish or condescending when you're just trying to be specific

[system-of-clouds]

One funky thing about the way some of us join the system is through dreams. Dream headmates are a similar concept, and we do have a few of those, but most of the time when we gain a member through dreams it’s different.

We think it has to do with the way we dream. Sometimes in our dreams, we become different people, we live entire days, weeks, months as someone else. It’s as if everyone left front and this new person, the perspective viewer of the dream, is now in front and we now live as them. When we dream like this, we are not any of ourselves, we are someone new, someone else. And sometimes, we don’t gradually wake back into ourselves like normal.

Sometimes the person who wakes up is the person we lived as in our dream.

Whether they stay or leave appears random.

Unlike dream headmates, new members do not follow the dreamer out and no one is able to control or seek out headmates through dreams.

We’re definitely not a dreamway system since we are no longer a neuronarrator but we like to call ourselves a “dreamingway system”

[system-of-clouds]

Constantly wondering if our hearing is too good or the walls are too thin

[system-of-clouds]

We are all for traumagenic and disordered only system spaces. It’s important to have those communities. Just as it is important to have communities that are inclusive to all. Though the lines should only be placed by the systems themselves, mixed systems exist and should have access to the spaces they need.

What sketches us out is when the space is traumagenic or disordered only, and it allows singlets to join.

How would singlets benefit from a traumagenic or disordered only system space, genuinely? If it’s so that they can ask questions, why aren’t non-traumagenic or non-disordered systems allowed? Even if they were a questioning system, how do you know if they are traumagenic or disordered? If they discover they are a system but their origins or functionality are “wrong” are you going to just kick them out?

[officialspec]

walkable cities also means sittable cities send tweet

[officialspec]

some people are responding to this like its a joke and im going to assume u are the type of people to say "its only a 3 minute walk" when i tell them the nearest bench is too far away

[only-knives]

shoutout to systems with only a few members that front, even if that's only one member. no matter how big or small your system is, no matter how you count how many of you there are. your experience is real because you experience it. our brains are very complex and weird and there's no reason your experience is "wrong" or "invalid." you don't have to live up to anyone's standard. you can just exist. all of you.