i think people need to realize more that bruce wayne is a complex character, and batman is not a good person especially when faced with regular folk
one of your recent posts made me remember that batman only affiliates with heroes/vigilantes if they're useful to his cause. in the case of ragman, batman was going after him criticizing his existence (for no reason, at the time the suit of rags wasn't as sentient and bloodthirsty until years later), until a large group of civilians gathered to protect ragman from the bat, after that batman "approved" his work
you can't look at me in the eyes and tell me batman wasn't using the fact that ragman was liked by the public for his own interests. ragman was never even seen as a hero or vigilante but as a protector, batman saw that and wanted some of that pie
and i'm only using ragman as example because at the time he was just a guy wearing a costume made out of rags operating in the slums of gotham, with other characters its a bit more obvious what batman can gain from attaching his own name to theirs (not the other way around, but he's got good pr so people would assume the others are using batman's name for their own gain)
I just saw excerpts from a comic the other day where the trinity are arguing about what to do about a betrayal by someone superman picked because Clark was giving memberships out to every self proclaimed hero and vigilante fighting to do good he came across, and while Diana was reasonably like "let's just be more discerning and put more thorough background checks in place" Bruce was adamant that they do thorough investigations into the whole league, including people who had been operating with them for years and have already proved themselves to be trustworthy. Clark brings up the obvious point about violations of privacy and Bruce doesn't care because the people around him are peices to be moved to achieve a goal first and teammates second.
This comes through especially in Tims birthday torment nexus comic where that mindset is exactly what Bruce is hoping to sow in Tim by creating distrust for his teammates. It's also what makes Dicks style of leadership different (read: better). Dick is still prone to imposing his view of what's best or morally right on the people around him, but at the end of the day he trusts his team wholeheartedly to have his back. You see this in the difference between Bruce's contingencies for his teammates (kept secret from the other members, relies on as few other people for help implementing as possible, has not given anyone on the team a contingency for himself) vs Dick's (everyone is aware that there are contingencies, every teammate has someone else's contingency based on their strengths and weaknesses, the Titans all trust each other not to abuse the power they have over each other because there is an equal distribution of power). It doesn't bear saying that this distinction is one of the many things that makes Nightwing a better leader than Batman, if not a better hero - both things Bruce himself has admitted readily. Something to be said here about Bruce's parenting style, but that's a bit off topic.
Batman is equally opportunistic, calculating, manipulative, and egotistical as his worst villains. They parallel each other - that's the point. All of his big Rogues are meant to hold a mirror up to some facet of Batman and show him the worst possible reality. His philosophy is equally built on the ends that justify the means. His only rule is thst he doesn't kill. Crippling, maiming, violations of personal autonomy, privacy, and the rights granted by the law Batman claims to uphold are all fair game if Bruce decides that those are acceptable sacrifices. There is some insane notion I often see that a character who doesn't kill can't be morally gray or ethically dubious, and its a thought process I'm incapable of understanding. Murder is not the only crime. Its not the worst crime, even, arguably. Its not the worst thing that can happen to you by a long shot. Bruce breaks the law and does objectively bad things for the sake of his ostensibly good cause because he believes its necessary and that is pretty much the definition of morally gray.







