#anti got

[james-summer]

Tyrion you fucking mole you will pay

Im sorry I just rewatched till season 6 and the thought of the further seasons disgusted me but I had this saved in my pins

[pearlsnorlax]

I've been complaining about this overall "anti Targaryen", "anti dragon" campaing that hbo shows are pushing (ive seen it a bit in AKOTSK and more and more in season 3 of HOTD) and is not a theme that ive seen portrayed in the books (in the sense that in the books the Targaryens are not seen as an overall "evil" family by the people of westeros nor by the maesters)

and it just struck me that they have to keep pushing this narrative to justify Daenerys awful ending in GOT

because no matter how hard they hammer Aegon's prophecy, they fucked up aegon's prophecy in the main show, so now they have to make it look like the prophecy is another sign of "targaryen madness", and the seven kingdoms were seven peaceful realms before the evil dragon lords came to take it

what i find puzzling is why they keep making shows about characters they so clearly hate and see not as fucked up and complex individuals but as evil incarnate

I just know they're gonna fuck up Aegon, Visenya and Rhaenys so much, my heart cant take it

[aegor-bamfsteel]

Upon reading about the reactions to The Mad King play, I have not laughed so hard as I did since when I saw the fan reaction to GOT S8.

Considering I had several angry posts about the end of GOT, I’m glad I could provide you with entertainment over the years. Just sit back and consider it non canon (and don’t buy anything GOT related).

I’m also happy that after years of witnessing fandom infighting, we can all agree when the adaptors mess up the themes and characterization of the original story this badly.

[lookingforasphodels]

So... Daenerys IS the Mad Queen

This is a rant from a Daenerys stan who has criticised GRRM before and who, unfortunately, has suspected for years that this was where the story was going.

This is the spoiler regarding Dany and Jon from Reddit:

"The play cross-cuts the conceptions of Jon and Daenerys under the same red comet. Rhaegar is with Lyanna while Aerys is with Rhaella, implying that either—or both—could represent the promised saviour.

This cannot fit the published chronology literally. Jon is substantially older than Daenerys in the novels. It is probably theatrical compression or play-specific symbolism, not a usable book timeline revelation.

Rhaella curses the gods to give her a vengeful daughter. Rather than another noble prince, she invokes a daughter who will wake/restore dragons and bring fire, ruin and vengeance upon kingdoms.

The scene strongly foreshadows a destructive Daenerys. It appears intended to support Daenerys eventually burning kingdoms—possibly King’s Landing—but it does not explicitly reveal her precise book ending."

So... Rhaegar and Lyanna conceive Jon in a scene framed through love, choice, prophecy, and the attempt to determine their own fate. At the same time, Aerys and Rhaella conceive Daenerys within madness, abuse, hatred, and vengeance. Rhaella curses the gods and asks not for another prince, but for a daughter who will restore the dragons and bring fire and ruin upon the kingdoms that destroyed her family.

WTF is that symbolism.

So Jon is conceived from love and therefore becomes the hidden saviour, while Daenerys is conceived through violence and vengeance and therefore carries destruction inside her from the beginning.

Jon is the child of two lovers wanting to do good. Daenerys is the child summoned as a weapon of destruction, for their evil desires. Before either child has taken a breath, the story has apparently assigned them opposing moral destinies.

So basically Dany is born wrong.

As though the circumstances of a child’s conception actually determine the moral nature of the adult. In 2026.

As though Jon inherits love, while Daenerys inherits madness. Her freaking destiny is to be the villain.

That is essentially a bad seed narrative, and it is a terrible framework for her character. It turns the violence committed against Rhaella into an omen of her daughter’s future evil. It plainly suggest that a woman conceived through abuse cannot escape the purpose for which others imagined her. The victimisation of one woman becomes evidence for the future corruption of another.

Daenerys is therefore not allowed to escape the role imagined for her before birth. She may resist it for years. She may free slaves, protect the powerless, chain her dragons, refuse easy massacres and struggle against ruling with violence.

But none of that ultimately matters, because the prophecy has already defined what she is. And that is a fucking curse.

And GRRM praised the play. He essentially subscribes to this. That does not mean every element of the play will occur literally in the novels. It does not prove the exact circumstances of Daenerys’s ending. But it strongly suggests that he approves of this symbolic opposition between Jon and Daenerys. The fucking story is really is “the male was conceived with love, the girl was conceived in madness, therefore Jon saves and Daenerys destroys”. Women are inherently evil in 2026 folks. That's the point of it all. In the end it was indeed always about cocks, and females be damned (and mad).

So yes, I don't have any hope left for a good ending for Dany. She will burn Kings landing and probably more and she will be killed by her just lover. It's not D&D fault in the end, surprise surpise. And maybe that's why the books are so late. GRRM saw people hating the true ending and he is afraid of the global reaction. So that's why all these stories are soft launching Dany inevitable demise: they need to justify it.

And that's it.

Fuck men.

[death-of-cats]

it's strange to finally be caught up to House of the Dragon after doing my best to ignore it for 4 years, to see posts about it and finally have context. i've been in fandom for so long i should have seen it coming, but God damn the version of the show that seems to exist in the minds of my tumblr feed is so much better than the version that appears on my television. don't get me wrong it's miles and miles ahead of GOT and the showrunners do have an understanding of ASOIAF that is far more in line with GRRM's vision than DnD ever did. but guys the characters just aren't that well written. i'm out here reading posts about the complexities of Daemon/Rhaenyra and it's interesting and all but that is not the version i'm seeing on my screen i don't know what to tell you. in the show the tension between them never rises above that of two type-a adults in a power couple, i don't SEE a twisted age-gap unclefucker badwrong toxic genderenvy situationship. i love you guys but i think you made that up yourselves.

[chrkrose]

Whenever people insist ASOIAF and GoT will have the same ending, I just point towards House of the Dragon. Is House of The Dragon telling the same story of Fire & Blood? Would you tell me that The Dance in HoTD and The Dance as it was told in Fire & Blood are the same story? You can spot George’s story beats for sure (Rhaenyra usurped; Aegon is King; Blood & Cheese; etc), but the characters, themes, context, they all changed. It isn’t the same story. It’s not even recognizable anymore.

That’s exactly what happened with GoT.

[death-of-cats]

The Turncloak ADWD

when you read this line and the remember that the GOT showrunners not only had Theon uninvolved with Ramsay's downfall, he also apparently dies without ever learning about it in the show

[televisionsorceress]

me remembering hotd eventually leads to “who has a better story than bran the broken”