#cod lore

[kino-der-joon]

I need some explanation from the lore master 🙏

Did Primis Richtofen collected his ultimis giant’s soul in the cutscene ? I see as much people saying he did that people saying he didn’t. I’m lost

💫 Hi hi!! The lore master is here, and most assuredly at your service! Sit down, get comfortable, and let’s get into this, shall we?✨

💫 Primis Richtofen does something very sneaky during the opening cut scene of The Giant: He pretends to take his own soul so that the others don’t ask him questions later on (and also to try and establish trust through leading by example!) So, the short answer is: No, he doesn’t take his own soul in The Giant’s opening cut scene. But, we can do better than that, walk with me, friend!! I’ll explain everything!✨

✨ Our question now becomes ‘How do we know he was pretending?’ And this can be proven very easily in all the other ending cut scenes in the Primis Storyline! Let’s start with Gorod Krovi. When Richtofen lifts the summoning key toward the sky and sends the souls inside it up to Agartha, we don’t see his soul there with the others:

✨and secondly, when Richtofen uses the summoning key, it has this brilliant golden glow! But, we don’t see that in The Giant’s cut scene. Let’s compare: ✨

💫 Gorod Krovi:

💫 Zetsubo No Shima:

💫 Der Eisendrache:

💫The Giant:

💫 So, with the proof that he was only pretending to take his own soul, wouldn’t that mean he still has his? It’s a logical conclusion, but no, he doesn’t. Now our question becomes: ‘How and when did Richtofen take his own soul?’ The ‘when,’ we can’t be too sure of because it happens off screen, but the ‘how’ is actually answered in Bo4! Specifically, it’s Templar Richtofen (the one who betrays Primis Richtofen and leaves him to die in Blood of The Dead,) who tells us! ✨

✨ I will link a video 🌟HERE!🌟 for you to check out (Go to time stamp: 8:20,) but I’ll also transcribe what he says here for your convenience:

“[…] Wouldn’t you like to hear a story? A story you’ve never heard? A sad story? […] It’s a story of dimension 2210, the story of mein soul- By the way, you’re nodding, Nikolai. I can only assume The Kronorium already showed you the whole sorry tale? Well, for the benefit of the peanut gallery: I was just a boy then, an innocent. I was a sensitive child. A lonely child, orphaned at a young age. I never got to know who I really was, but one day, I learned who I would grow up to be. I- …Had to do it. The Kronorium told me. I…Had to trick the poor, little, innocent me into trusting a complete stranger. […] I took mein own soul before it could ever have the chance to flourish…Is it any wonder I am the way I am?” - Templar Richtofen, Tag Der Toten.

✨ In all versions of our beloved characters we’ve had so far, they all seem to have certain events that stay the same between them. So, even though this isn’t our Primis Richtofen, we can safely assume that Primis Richtofen did this as well as Templar Richtofen. (But, for clarification, Ultimis Richtofen didn’t do this. Just the Templar and Primis versions.) Primis Richtofen had several solo adventures before meeting up with his crew at The Giant, so this likely happened during one of those solo journeys since he says he had The Kronorium! ✨

✨ So, for clarification: Primis Richtofen didn’t take his own soul from his Ultimis counterpart because there was no soul for him to take. Primis Richtofen already took his own soul from his child self in dimension 2210 before the events of The Giant!✨

✨ I hope I’ve explained this well, and thank you so much for your question!! Any further questions, don’t be afraid to ask!! ✨

[cerosin-bis]

might I ask for a handful of just random cod trivia ..

and/or ! just your thoughts on the games and reboots, if you’re comfy w that?

I feel like you always have some random notes or tags about weird trivia in the game but obviously this isn’t specific At All so feel free to just ignore this if it’s weird sjdndjhd

Hi! no this isn't weird 🥺 I think what gives this impression is "just" that I played most of said games a lot and got interested in the lore that's not necessarily accessible to people who, big quotation marks, are superficially in the fandom. as in people who aren't interested in multiplayer or secondary gamemodes, let alone lore and are more focused on the main cast or one particular mp character (such as könig)

This got VERY long so, my rambles and opinions about the Modern Warfare games and their reboots below.

I played mw2 and mw3's campaigns in 2010-2013. I wasn't playing multiplayer at the time, I started it with BO4 in 2018. But I fell hard into MW's multiplayer with the first reboot, mw19, in early 2020.

Just so that my words have a bit of "the player's weight": I have around 900 hours on mw19, 400 on MWII and I believe 200-300 on MWIII.

Regarding campaigns: Call of duty is Call of duty. It's literally funded by the US army. it's blatant propaganda, and I expect no less when I run a campaign. With that being said, what I expect from a CoD campaign is either being over-the-top and extra (like the original trilogy and in some ways MWIII specifically), or rooted in reality and wanna be serious like mw19. This is minding the blatant history 'rewriting' it's doing (eg. chemical attacks in syria, highway of death mission). My honest opinion on it is that the reboots don't know what they want and it's especially visible in MWII. In my opinion, the original games nailed that "american action movie" feel that the reboots kinda lost by instead veering towards something overlapping with real-life maybe a bit too much while still wanting to include crazy shit. Like, I don't think it's a balance that can work. I do like that we had more character development with MWII and it felt fun to play (in that regard I have no complaints, and I even liked the semi-open missions that a lot of ppl disliked), but it feels a bit less like call of duty. I'll be curious to see what direction they take for the next MW game, but I sure hope IW get their shit together and have a clear direction.

Transitioning to multiplayer with that. This feeling that the MW games are now an amalgamation of things sewn together hastily started with the Warzone fusion and the BOCW implementation. It became especially visible in multiplayer with the addition of crossover bundles, providing less and less "mil-sim" skins, and it was obvious that by MWIII IW would step away and let other developers (treyarch, SHG, which are both turned more towards arcade gameplay) take over the multiplayer development. Which is kinda insane: MW was always Infinity Ward's flasgship initially.

In my opinion the MW multiplayer started feeling different (in my eyes, falling off) for 3 reasons:

Catering to a younger playerbase, notably the "tiktok crowd": younger gamers want games that are incredibly fast-paced (mirroring their use of social media and those yknow "adhd videos") and like extremely flashy skins. Therefore, they'll spend money to get them. I'm not saying this to say "it's bad!" it's just an observation

The absolute success of mobile games and fortnite-like collaborations. This is mostly due to the current way people "consume" social media and games, with everything being quick and instant and fleeting. The sheer impact that these two things have had on video games as a whole is absolutely insane: they started adding microtransactions in games because it started on mobile & they realised that if you let people buy skins with real money w the press of a button, spendings increase tenfold. Same goes with the battle pass model: it's incredibly lucrative.

Crunch, changes of leadership, writers and artists probably being allowed less communication and therefore focus; and, in MWIII's case, the arrival of AI giving us some tasteless slop in cosmetics. That they sell. For real money.

I've said it countless time but I really regret mw19 multiplayer's artistic and narrative direction. It had a story that's completely absent from MWII where characters are just empty shells with a few lines of marvel-like, mary-sue grade bios. Where's the cohesive story? Where are the outwardly morally grey or flawed characters, the sub-squads, the interaction lines, the bundles that made sense with the characters' backstories?...

Long story short, I don't know if the MW series will ever go back to what made it MW. I hope so, but seeing how between 2020 and 2024 the multiplayer entirely lost its soul & the campaigns don't know what they want to show, I'm afraid it might either never come back or take a dozen years so that a reboot of reboots gets out or a new series takes over.

'til capitalism and cashgrab leadership ruins it again and the cycle begins anew.

[callofdutylorist]

heyyy! not sure if yous aware but on yt there are some ppl making stuff up that ghost and soap have girlfriends in some comics and what not, also that ghost was implying in campaign how he sleeps around????? is this true or people are just talking nonsense? im not too familiar with ghost so idk

I have heard... So let's clear things up

Does Ghost have a GF in the comics?

Nope! Ghost is portrayed with no love interests in the comics. However the comics does show Ghost's brother finding a wife, and having a child who would be Ghost's nephew.

It's important to the comic because Ghost helped his brother become clean from drugs, and sees his brother's family as his closer household.

All of them later die

Youtube Misinformation

There were some incidents of a people spreading some Ghost misinformation on youtube, especially in comment sections. Most of this has been about Ghost's relationship status.

For those saying Ghost as of 24/9/2023 has girlfriend, are incorrect. He is single, with no confirmed sexuality. I believe this info is mostly being spread as retaliation of homophobes in the community, being offended by fandom shipping.

Confirmation of Single

Aside from the fact that not once in the campaign does anyone mention that Ghost is taken, and that his backstory contributes to a big reason why a man like him wouldn't have any lovers as of right now....

Ghost is confirmed single by an article uploaded by Activision on valentine's day. Also as a loner type character with trust issues, a preference of no support, and a specialty in solo missions, it's expectant that he's not a lovers boy to someone yet.

Ela Memes?

One thing I did find was that there seems to be a current crossover ship meme shipping Ghost with the character Ela Bosak from Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Siege, and having both take the roles of resident evil characters. The main producer on Youtube for this stuff is Benjamin York Gaming if you're interested in funny crossover ship content.

Cod Mobile

Call of Duty Mobile does exhibit its own version of Ghost. Who is out of character for the multiple Ghost characters we know, showing to be much much closer to other characters he interacts with. But Cod Mobile is non-canon to the main series, and is it's own thing.

I hope this clears everything up

:D

[cerosin-bis]

hello cero!!!! i hope ur doing great

what do you think is the symbolism behind nikto's patch in MW'22??

Hi!! I don't know if there is actually any, so I went for actual significance rather than symbolism. Buckle up for lore. If you're not familiar at all with DMZ this post can help. It is a PvPvE mode exclusive to MWII with quite a lot of lore and different factions to complete missions for.

Nikto's patch in MWII (left) reminded me of either the Legion (middle) or Phalanx (right) factions logos from DMZ, although without being any of the two... Given the post-S4 DMZ lore it could be that he's working for/with either, though Legion was gone by S4 iirc. If Legion is out of the question, him working for Phalanx could make sense in a very far-fetched way since:

it seems he was a third-party in the Vondel conflict (see the S4 trailer video - Laswell mentions soldiers of unknown allegiance the moment they show him).

Phalanx seems to be here only to eliminate the Peacekeepers from Vondel (Milena's "forces"/NPC enemies in the Vondel map if I'm not mistaken),

DMZ lore implies that Phalanx has a partnership with Black Mous (another DMZ faction), and Black Mous has ties with the CIA (so, Laswell / the good guys from MWII).

So it's hard to tell. Nikto could be a renegade, someone working for Phalanx, or an extremely elaborate "false flag" built over the Phalanx/Black Mous and Black Mous/CIA partnership. i do think this is reading extremely far into it and that Nikto's patch is actually just "looks hard and cool".

[cerosin-bis]

between kureger and nikto. whose rank is higher?

Hmm so in mw19 I assume both Nikto and Krueger have roughly the same rank/no actual rank because there are no ranks in the mp factions. Everyone's following the orders given by the team leaders (so technically in mw19 Nikolai is the only playlable op having a rank higher than others since he's Chimera's leader). But some ops have a rank mentioned in their bio referring to their past or corps pre-mw19 (such as Rodion being Sergeant. 2nd class, Bale being Staff Sergeant, etc.)

Regarding their past/pre-mw19, Krueger (let's forget he was playing pretend the whole time) was a corporal when he was in the KSK, which is below the officer ranks. But in the German army, corporal is considered a high enlisted personnel rank. It's just below the rank of officer.

Nikto was a deep-cover agent and although those can be lower ranking soldiers, they are as far as I can see higher-ranking (more resources, intelligence, and decision-making authority, making them valuable assets in deep-cover roles). This plus Nikto being "canonically" deemed a natural-born leader, I assume he was an officer, I'm thinking at least lieutenant. Which ranks him higher than Krueger, though this is is only speculation, he could have been just enlisted as well. it's free to interpret, but I like to think he was already ranking as a lieutenant.

in MWII I have no clue how it would play cos nikto is AWOL so he has no official rank, and Krueger unofficially is a chopper gunner pilot so.

[callofdutylorist]

Modern Warfare Timeline Differences (1)

Classic vs. Reboot: o! = Original, n! = Reboot

o!Soap is the higher ranker between him and Ghost, while the roles are reversed between n!Ghost and n!Soap

Roach doesn't exist in the second timeline

o!Gaz has no full name listed, and is noticeably white. n!Gaz is known as Kyle Garrick, and is black

o!Price has a more posher accent compared to n!Price. In fact about everyone has different accents, Ghost having the strongest difference in my opinion

o!Price is mentored on how to shoot a sniper well in ghillie suits by MacMillan. n!Price mentors n!Gaz on the exact same thing also in ghillie suits

n!Soap is shorter than o!Soap. n!Ghost is taller than o!Ghost.

o!Ghost is more extroverted, friendly, and dependent. n!Ghost makes notably darker jokes, is more introverted, less friendly, and starkly independent

o!Ghost has black hair and green eyes, while n!Ghost has brown hair and brown eyes

So far.... Gaz, Soap, Griggs, and Ghost are all dead in the original timeline.

During Shepherd's betrayal Shepherd does the dirty work himself, and successfully kills Ghost, alongside Roach. Graves does the dirty work in Timeline 2, and fails to kill Ghost

Alejandro Vargas and Philip Graves have similarly named characters in the 1st Timeline, but the relations between them is thin to nothing. Alejandro Vargas, the cartel fighting member of Los Vaqueros has Alejandro Rojas, a cartel enemy to Soap's team. Philip Graves has Darren "Graves" Cosgrave, o!Price's North Irish ally.

Shepherd loses his iconic red beret and mustache in the 2nd timeline (and his hair in general)

n!MacMillan is implied to be dead, having gone a failed assassination mission against Zahkaev with n!Price. Although o!MacMillan fails to assassinate Zahkaev with Price, he does tear his arm off, and survive to tell the tale. IN fact o!MacMillan never dies

n! Griggs takes more a backseat in involvment compared to o! Griggs. n!Griggs Also has a full name, Marcus Griggs.

Farah Karim, Valeria Garza, Alex Keller and Kate Laswell do not exist in the 1st Timeline.

[callofdutylorist]

Yes

The ending to Vanguard still haunts me

In a good way or bad way?

I cannot tell you

[cerosin-bis]

Can i ask what are your favorite operators from both 2019MW and MWII? Both campaign and MP is fine :D

also just a quick question, are the MP ops related to campaign story anyway or are they just there for MP?

Of course! in MW19 mp oh boy help I love them ALL. If I had to choose I'd say Krueger, Nikto, Rodion, Golem, Syd, Azur and Yegor. In MWII mp so far my faves are König, Nova, Aksel, and the Kortac milsim (yes, the default soldier!). From the games' campaigns, if I had to pick one, Gaz stands out the most to me. Special mention to Farah and Alex who are very lovable characters, and in MWII I absolutely love how they wrote Ghost, it's exactly how I imagined him - effortlessly funny and w a very dry sense of humour lol.

As for the multiplayer/campaign connections - OK so this is a tricky subject LOL I'll try my best to be as concise as possible:

In MW19, the multiplayer narrative is linked to the campaign: after the events of the campaign, the terrorist org you fought against invades a fictional country called Kastovia, which leads to the creation of a temporary military alliance in late 2019. A few months later (March 2020), with the events of Warzone, the Armistice splits into two opposite factions that you play with in mp: Coalition and Allegiance. The mp ops are somewhat part of this story because they are part of these two alliances' sub-factions: for example the Chimera faction is led by Nikolai (yes, the Nikolai from the campaign!) and consists of Krueger, Yegor, Syd, Farah & Iskra; and all of them have a line of bio about meeting Nikolai. You even briefly see Yegor in the campaign. Nikolai's Chimera faction is part of the Allegiance faction (led by Kamarov - you also see him in the campaign) and you hear both Nikolai and Kamarov as announcers when you play multiplayer. So yeah. The narrative is a bit loose (bc technically Nikolai & Kamarov, who are both Price's buddies, fight against Price's and Laswell's teams so??) but it's still there.

In MWII, there is virtually no multiplayer narrative. Frankly it doesn't make any sense, the two factions (SpecGru and KorTac) are just a weird melting pot of PMCs and we don't exactly know who or why they fight each other, let alone why the hell is the SAS/TF141 part of a PMC org - and the characters have no connection between them or extra lore like it was the case in MW19. They just exist individually and are part of two teams you don't really know the purpose or origin of. If you ask me it's quite lacking in that aspect lol 🥲

I hope I could make any sense of it! I know it can be a bit confusing.