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Yes, Penny. They don’t have the Dark Scroll. The Dark Scroll is perfectly safe.
There’s no need to be suspicious.
There’s nothing to worry about.
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Y7Ch47:
Y7Ch34:
Y7Ch46:
Yes, Penny. They don’t have the Dark Scroll. The Dark Scroll is perfectly safe.
There’s no need to be suspicious.
There’s nothing to worry about.
Idk why, but I get the feeling that Mahoutokoro and Hogwarts have beef
You know, it actually makes some sense. Admittedly, I don’t really see solid evidence for this claim, but at the same time, I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s the case.
One thing that comes to my mind is this part from our conversation with Dumbledore:
Now, while Dumbledore is a manipulative bastard, he’s not really a fan of Dark Arts, so it might imply that the Headmaster of Hogwarts and the Headmaster of Mahoutokoro have a bit different worldview. However, to be completely honest, I’m pretty sure that JC didn’t think this whole story about the Headmaster through. I mean, it’d be a bit odd, in my opinion, that students get expelled from Mahoutokoro for “betraying the Japanese wizard's code or practising Dark Arts”, yet the current Headmaster is apparently known for liking a very powerful DARK charm. And even if that’s the case, I suppose the beef would be rather between the Headmasters, not the schools per se.
No, but seriously, I think the writers just wanted to create a quick connection: “Jacob's burns – Protego Diabolica – Mahoutokoro – Dai Ryusaki and the Dark Scroll”, so I wouldn’t look too deep into that. Still, there might be something going on when it comes to Ryusaki himself.
Alright, so Ryusaki was allegedly a professor at Mahoutokoro, right? I think it’s safe to assume then that he was a student there as well. Either way, he was connected with the place. Yet, for some reason, it seems like he might’ve hidden his precious Dark Scroll at Hogwarts. Why?
Also, disclaimer: I still believe that the Dark Scroll was originally supposed to be in the final Cursed Vault. I’m sorry, but it’s just stupid that we’ve spent six years on them, and then we simply said: “Oh, stupid R, they thought that the Dark Scroll was in the Cursed Vaults, but it was somewhere else all that time”. No, I don’t buy it. JC had to change it recently. To be fair, we technically still can return to the Sunken Vault, and so it can still be a plot twist (that the second half of the Scroll is there, for example), but… I don’t have hope anymore.
Anyway, I do think that the Dark Scroll and the Cursed Vaults were connected, which could’ve been the potential reason for the beef you’re talking about. Maybe Mahoutokoro felt betrayed by Ryusaki? Maybe they thought that Hogwarts forced Ryusaki to hide the Scroll here? But… was he really? Or did he choose this place, as I suggested above? And again, if so… why?
Like, I just don’t understand why Mahoutokoro was ever included in this story, y’know. If Dai Ryusaki was a British wizard, if Shiratori was expelled from Hogwarts… would it really change anything? I don’t think so. At the same time though, I can’t help but feel that it was supposed to be much more relevant. I just don’t know how. Maybe it was simply about including more elements of the wizarding world. But then again, I think there were easier ways to do it.
Let’s talk about the Cabal. The Rogues theory update
First things first: whenever I talk about “the Cabal”, I do not mean R. I always refer to the Cabal Jacob mentioned in his notebook in Y5Ch15. I explained in detail why he had to mean some other organisation then: here. I really recommend checking it before you continue reading this post below as it’s a relatively short analysis, and it’ll help us get on the same page.
Furthermore, I concluded that the Cabal is probably dedicated to protecting the Cursed Vaults, and that’s why they wanted to kill the siblings. I believe that the siblings are necessary to open the final Vault, so if they’re dead, the treasure should theoretically be safe forever. Also, since they want to protect the treasure, they probably wouldn’t like R who wants the power for themselves.
I know the game keeps using “R” and “a cabal”/“the cabal”/“the Cabal” interchangeably, but for the longest time, I thought it’s either misdirection or Jam City simply changed their original plans once again. I started leaning towards the second option, especially after coming up with “the Rogues theory”, but I’ve been thinking about it lately, and I realised that... the Cabal and the Rogues might be one and the same group.
Now, if you’re not familiar with the Rogues theory, I encourage you to read this post. This one, however, is much longer, so I understand if you want to skip it, and therefore, I’ll give you a summary:
“The Rogues” is the name I gave to a group of three people: Rakepick, the Wizard in White, and Verucca. In my theory, they don’t work for R, or at least they’re not loyal to them. Their real goal is to make sure MC KNOWS R is evil and won’t be swayed if R tried using any kind of manipulation to make MC join them. Now, Merula is truly the mole, and she wanted to join R to be a double agent or some shit. However, the Rogues are aware that she’s just a stupid kid who’d get killed right away, so they staged the meeting in Y6Ch45 to expose Merula. Therefore, Merula has to focus on MC knowing that she “betrayed them” instead of trying to play a hero with R.
Also, Rowan is alive.
And just to be clear, we’re talking about these people:
(Did I simply want an excuse to use this gif again? Maybe.)
Alright, so having these two pictures, you can see they have one thing in common: they don’t like R. Unfortunately, there’s one big difference between them, too: the Cabal wanted to kill the siblings while the Rogues are rather helping them (or at least MC). So, how they could be the same? Well, we just have to assume that something changed in their approach at some point. And the person behind it was probably…
MEPHISTO!
Just kidding. It’s Rakepick. Of course it’s gonna be about Rakepick. Spoilers up to Y7Ch29.
It may sound insane. But imagine if Olivia's playing with us. Imagine she's putting on a show playing the victim but dropping some hints for MC at the same time. Imagine she said these things as hints: Y7C40P5_outro14:"Now, some of you may be wondering if I'm 'secretly evil'..."
Y7C40P5_outro19:"My Defence Against the Dark Arts experience was also a bit... uneven, shall we say?"
Y7C40P5_outro20:"But you have no reason to fear. I've had years of practice, and you're in capable hands..." (Also I'll link this to this:
Y7C43P5_intro11:"Is there something funny?"
Y7C43P5_intro12:"Just a little Department of Mysteries joke."
Y7C43P5_intro13:"You worked for the Department of Mysteries?"
Y7C43P5_intro14:"I can neither confirm nor deny that."
Y7C43P5_intro15:"I... What?"
Y7C43P5_intro16:"Really, I can't speak about my former job."
Y7C43P5_intro17:"Speak'...? Were you an Unspeakable?" Interesting, Olivia. If you can't really talk about your former job then why are you hinting to us that you worked there? Do you want MC to know that you worked there? So she practised the dark arts or defence against the dark arts for years and she worked at the ministry in the department of mysteries . I wonder what her job was.)
Y7C40P5_outro29:"You never know what darkness is lurking just around the corner..." Imagine she didn't put higher security in her office because she wanted MC to get in, to discover the memories that maybe she planted there. Imagine she wants MC to view her memories so that she can show them that Peregrine isn't to be trusted. Or maybe the only way to break MC from Peregrine's mind-controlling legilimency is to show them directly who he truly is. There is more clues ingame if you're over thinkingly looking for them but imagine that this happened.
While I was searching the datamine for Olivia's dialogue lines I remembered this post:
https://at.tumblr.com/missnight0wl/so-i-talked-quite-a-bit-about-peregrine-lately/g02e26mz8til
A PROPHECY YOU SAY AND WHERE ARE PROPHECIES STORED??
Department of mysteries.
Ohohoho I'm gonna have so much fun. IMAGINE that Olivia is playing the long revenge game while she's protecting us at the same time. She knows that Peregrine is trying to kidnap MC and Jacob. She knows Peregrine wants to get his hand on that prophecy and he needs to make MC or Jacob get it for him. Jacob is already a lost cause. He's fully under Peregrine's control. Duncan's dead. Olivia can't face R on her own, at least not directly. Not to mention that after Jacob dies (yes our real brother is dead, there's no way that [in your words] fugly slut is our bro. Vault!Jacob's hand in hand with Peregrine and helping to manipulate MC) Peregrine disappeared. She knows that she can't fight R by hunting them down one agent at a time, they'll just crawl deeper and deeper into their hiding hole. So she has to wait for Peregrine to slither out of his hole once again so that she can strike him and end it once and for all. She has to be patient to get revenge. It's crucial that the prophecy is safe. Peregrine is really desperate to get his hands on it, so it must be important. She works for the department of mysteries in order to protect it and waits for the right moment.
And Olivia knew that MC isn't in real danger, yet. There's no way that the vault of ice. An ancient structure that is cursed with magic so old and ancient that is older than THE FOUNDERS. Is broken by A SECOND YEAR STUDENT.
Is there a chance that maybe perhaps the vaults were weakened by a certain someone in order to give MC false confidence and determination to find their dead brother so that later they can be manipulated? Were these vaults already broken but were repaired to serve as an impersonation of the actual vaults for another purpose? Am I possibly overlooking something big? That can be the case too, but let's go with the first option.
So finally in year 7, Peregrine shows up. And this is Olivia's chance to get him and also defend MC because she knows Peregrine will want to take MC by force.
It's very possible that Dumbledore is working with Olivia to take Peregrine down! Aaaandddd I have to leave :( But I still think this would be a nice storyline and a fine plot twist. Even if it doesn't make a lot of sense... Also what do you think Peregrine's patronus is? A DAMN LETHIFOLD?!
If it is the same as our MC. I swear to GOD
I agree that it’d be an interesting storyline. However, I doubt it’s what actually happens in the game, to be honest. And the main reason for that is Olivia’s reaction when she catches us in her office in one of the future chapters. I mean, she seems genuinely pissed off, with the whole: “we’re not on a first-name basis, it’s Professor Green for you!”, taking us to Dumbledore and whatnot. Like, it’s a bit too overdramatic if it was just an act. Don’t get me wrong, I see where you’re coming from. But if she was really pretending, I think she’d be rather like: “Oh, silly MC! Got caught so easily! You should’ve been more careful! But THIS TIME, I’ll let you go free! *wink wink*”.
That being said, I agree that Olivia’s former job at the Department of Mysteries got too much attention to be a coincidence. The difference is that my take on it is kind of the opposite of yours. I suspect it was R who wanted to have Olivia work there. Perhaps she wasn’t even aware of that or maybe it’s another thing that was erased from her memory. But you skipped one line which seems potentially important here, in my opinion.
Hm, I wonder if she knows also a thing or two about mind-enhancing potions… Or Dai Ryusaki and his Dark Scroll.
Here’s what I’m thinking. R might have two reasons to infiltrate the Department of Mysteries.
The first one is obviously connected to minds and the whole “enhancing”, so it goes along very nicely with the plotline of the Dark Scroll. Personally, I believe that Peregrine might want to enhance his Legilimency and use it to gain power. I talked about it in this post, for example.
The second reason is the Veil, and it’s connected to my theory that R’s official goal is to bring people back from the dead. You can read this theory here.
Either way, R might’ve used Olivia for this infiltration. Again, it’s very possible that her participation wasn't voluntary. I’m not sure why R wouldn’t remove Olivia’s memories of the Ministry entirely, but now that I think about it, there actually was one line Y7Ch42 that might be connected to that:
Perhaps she was simply not allowed to create any records of her work as an Unspeakable, or… it’s also a convenient cover for R for removing some information. Like, nobody (including Olivia) will ask why some things are missing from Olivia’s records if it’s just the nature of this job.
Now, the idea with the prophecy is quite interesting, but I have to admit that it was a very random thought on my part. I don’t think we really have anything solid to believe that there is any prophecy. So… I don’t know. I guess it just makes more sense to me to focus on the mind-enhancing aspect. But hey, maybe I’m wrong!
So yeah… I sadly think that Olivia is more of R’s victim than an active player against them. At least for now, because it might change.
As for the difficulty of the Cursed Vaults, I actually always thought that it’s an intentional design: that they become harder and harder. Imagine that you learn that there is some treasure, and you want to get it. You get through the first, second, and third Cursed Vault. It’s fairly easy, so the idea of the treasure becomes even more tempting. It’ll be yours without problems! But then, you get to the Portrait Vault… First of all, good luck getting inside! Oh, you managed that? Cool, now fight the dragon! You somehow got passed it? Well, what a shame that you’re so blinded by getting to the treasure because now you’re trapped in the portrait… Assuming that you even get through the Legilimency door, of course. If not, I guess there’s no way out of the Vault, so you die there eventually.
In general, your ideas do make sense. I just don’t think they could work in the game in its current state.
Finally, I have no idea what Peregrine’s Patronus could be. I actually call bullshit on him being even able to conjure one. If I had to choose something though, I suppose it could be a Snake for deceit? But knowing Jam City, it seems likely that it’ll be the same as MC’s :(
Edit: Peregrine’s Patronus should be Maggots, so he could end like Riczidian.
Let's forget about angy lumpy lookin Papa Lastname who is probably already getting disowned by 99.9% of this community. Are you going to discuss Rakepick's branching-but-technically-not-branching path? It's kinda heavy, but kinda stupid. It don't make a lot of sense.
Because why the fuck would people feel sorry for leaving her in the Vault if they were angry enough to leave her there in the first place?
except me. I'd be sorry but I didn't leave her. I lives to be a disappointment.
The writers made MC feel sorry for two reasons:
1) To stress how terrible Rakepick’s state is.
2) To stress that MC has a pure heart no matter what because they’ll always find compassion even for their worst enemy. MC’s “pure heart” will definitely play a big role in the future, considering that even Rakepick herself talked about it before our goodbye.
Actually, I’m suspecting it for quite a while now. I mentioned it in the context of Protego Diabolica, for example. I believe that Dai Ryusaki wasn’t evil at all. He recognised that his Dark Scroll is dangerous, and that’s why he hid it – to protect the world, not the Scroll itself. If that’s the case, it’d make sense that only someone of a pure heart could be able to cross the fire. Because the fire would be harmful only to an enemy of Dai Ryusaki. And Dai Ryusaki would be enemies with anyone who wants to use his Dark Scroll and create the potion. But someone of a pure heart – someone like MC – probably would be safe. It’s basically a similar idea to the Philosopher’s Stone and the Mirror of Erised. It might come back during retrieving the second half of the Scroll or something.
Moreover, I remember discussing with my friend forever ago a possibility that you have to have a pure heart to even findany Cursed Vault. It was based on the fact that in Y3, we heard Merula complaining to Barnaby and Ismelda that they couldn’t find anything, even though they searched everywhere. Of course, it might mean that they’re simply very bad at searching. But if a pure heart really plays a factor here… well, Merula’s heart isn’t the purest. She might not be entirely bad, but still. And yes, I know she could conjure a smug of a Patronus, but I think it’s telling it wasn’t a full Patronus. And while you might argue that MC’s heart isn’t entirely pure either, it’s surely purer than Merula’s.
You know, the idea of a pure heart would actually explain why we never could be truly mean or bad. Why we didn’t get the option to tell Rakepick that we want to learn the Cruciatus Curse. Why we didn’t use it on her later, even though the foreshadowing for MC using Crucioon Rakepick is very heavy. The writers might’ve realised in the last moment that it’d make it harder to say later that MC has a pure heart.
Anyway, MC feeling sorry for insane Rakepick is probably one of the more reasonable things, in my opinion. What makes absolutely no sense, though, is that insane Rakepick is still able to cast her Patronus. I mean, she basically lost her mind. There’s no way she’d be successful with this charm. It only further proves that Jam City wasn’t really planning on trapping Rakepick in the Vault. They needed her in Azkaban, and they need her capable of casting Patronus – trapping her makes both these things problematic. But they also wanted to appease a part of the playerbase, so they give them the option which simply doesn’t exactly work story-wise.
Here’s a sad thought: Rowan never met Jacob. I mean, vault!Jacob is a piece of shit, so perhaps that’s actually for the good. But still.
Anyway, let’s move on. Another rant post!
Disclaimer: This is probably really stupid Hi, I'm the "hogwarts and mahoutokoro conflict" anon! I still think that it's weird that the history of mahoutokoro is in the restricted section?! Even Liv comments on this in chapter 22 year 7... Listen, I get that maybe Dumbledore doesn't like the Mahoutokoro headmaster(which is fair tbh, if protego diabolica is indeed his favourite spell, then he is a MASSIVE hypocrite)... but don't do that! One more thing, the cover of the mahoutokoro history book has a flame on it. Maybe it means that the Mahoutokoro school is linked with fire, so that's why the headmaster's favourite spell is protego diabolica!(yes i do know that it has a flame on it in canon so that Liv can have an excuse to pick it up but c'mon) Perhaps fire played a deeper role in this school's history and this dark charm may have a more complex history and this is why it's the headmaster's favourite spell. Not to mention that this dark charm can be similar to the robe system(i'm talking about how if you practice dark magic your robes turn white) if you look at it in a certain way. Both are related to punishment of disloyalty. "When cast, Protego Diabolica created a protective ring of black fire around the caster. It was possible to walk through the flames unharmed, as demonstrated by Vinda Rosier, Credence Barebone, Queenie Goldstein and Abernathy amongst others, only if they were loyal to the caster and meant them no harm." - Quote from the Protego Diabolica wiki "Any student who betrayed the Japanese wizard's code or practised Dark Arts would result in their uniform turning white" - Quote from the Mahoutokoro wiki Am I reading into this too much? Absolutely. But does it have more potential than the canon storyline? Anything is better than canon sooooo
And yea yea I know that Jam City could've never came up with THIS but it's a fun thought even though it may be a little weird
This is not stupid at all. In fact, I like your observation about the parallel between Protego Diabolica and the uniforms system. Still, I’m gonna start with a couple of things I can’t agree with.
See, the thing is that my mind simply refuses that accept that there even is the Headmaster whose favourite spell is Protego Diabolica. First of all, the only canon example of this charm is Grindelwald in The Crimes of Grindelwald. In fact, the use of this spell in the movie is so specific that I personally got the impression that Grindelwald himself might’ve invented it for this very situation. He had just given his big speech, and he knew that people will be choosing whether or not they wanted to join him. Moreover, if I recall correctly, he actually suspected that some of his people are not truly devoted to him. So yeah, of course he’d want to test their loyalty. Therefore, it seems reasonable that he’d come up with Protego Diabolica because of that. And if that’s the case… how the Mahoutokoro Headmaster would learn it? It’s not impossible – but it’s kind of unlikely, if you ask me.
Of course, it’s also possible that Grindelwald didn’t invent the charm, and there was another way for the Headmaster to learn it. Still, as I said, the use of Protego Diabolica is VERY specific – so, don’t you think that it’s a rather odd choice of a favourite spell? Like… how many times did he even have a chance to use it? It’s not really a spell you’d use during a duel or something. The Headmaster might like it – but to call it a favourite? You know what I mean?
I don’t know, it just feels very strange to me, and I simply believe that Jam City didn’t think it through, and they were lazy about making a connection between Protego Diabolica – Mahoutokoro – Dai Ryusaki. In fact, I’m pretty sure that’s also why the book about Mahoutokoro is in the Restricted Section. Because I agree with you that it doesn’t really make sense. It makes sense that information about Dai Ryusaki is in the Restricted Section, but not about the school in general. And honestly, there’s a pretty easy fix for it, as usual. Just put the information about Ryusaki in the book The most dangerous Dark Wizards of Asia (or something like that), and then, make Dumbledore confirm that connection by saying that according to the legend, Ryusaki liked to use Protego Diabolica. I mean, doesn’t it make a little more sense?
That being said, I do like the use of Protego Diabolica in the story in general. Moreover, I think it could be used for a very cool plot twist. Because while Dumbledore said it’s a Dark charm… I wouldn’t really call it that. Imagine that it was used by Harry Potter, for example. Since the spell recognises loyalty to the caster, it wouldn’t harm people like Ron or Hermione, but it would hurt Death Eaters. So… does it really sound like “a Dark charm”? I’d argue that it’s simply a very powerful protective charm. It’s quite violent, sure, so I suppose this part could count as Dark magic, but still. It could be used against “bad guys”, in my opinion.
With that in mind, we could have a plot twist where Dai Ryusaki is not a Dark wizard after all. He was a very powerful wizard, yes, but he was connected to the school which is strongly against Dark Arts (to the point where they came up with the system marking those who dishonoured their values), and so he took this value system as his own. I think it’s also interesting that honour is important in Japanese culture in general, so I’d say it’s totally believable that once Ryusaki recognised that his potion might be used for evil, he felt responsible for protecting it from people with bad intentions. Therefore, he used Protego Diabolica – the difference is that the charm would let in only a person loyal to Ryusaki’s real belief, and that belief was that the Dark Scroll can’t be used for evil. That would be a pretty perfect explanation for why R is so obsessed with MC: because they’re simply a good person. MC’s writing is pretty shitty since Y6, but I still believe that the original idea was to present MC as someone of a pure heart. And if that’s the case, they’d be able to safely retrieve the Dark Scroll.
So yeah. I’m not sure if Protego Diabolica and the uniforms system are just "similar" as you’re proposing. I think it’s possible they both come basically from the exact same starting point.
There’s absolutely nothing to discuss.
JUST. GIVE. IT. TO...
DUMBLEDORE!!!