#dbh rant

[edmundtheartist]

No matter what bullshit some characters say in the game regarding androids, what needs to be clear is this…

Alive or not, they're still machines regardless. I hate how the game treats the word "machine" as if it's a slur, like it's some derogatory act to state what they are. Because regardless of whether or not they're sentient, they ARE machines! They're made of plastic, metal, engines, circuitry, wires, electricity, motors, valves, motor fluid, and computer chips. And ya know what that makes them? DING DING DING! You guessed it! Machines! It seems like Markus' line got misinterpreted by the audiences (both in the game and in real life) when he says "We're not just machines. We are alive." Keywords: "not just machines"! He ain't saying that they aren't machines at all, but that they're more than just machines too. It's why Rose's line "THEY ARE NOT MACHINES! THEY ARE ALIVE!" really makes me so angry. No, ya dunce! They ARE machines! They always have been machines and they always will be. Ffs, David Cage! Look what you've done! Treat your audiences like they're stupid and they WILL be stupid!

[troqicalucz]

ITS TIME TO TALK ABOUT SIXTY!!! connors evil twin brother.. . .

sixty sees himself as a completely separate person from connor—while the connor we know (52+) refer to their old models as their predecessors or even an extension of himself. usually using "I" or "me".

example 1: with hank in the stratford tower elevator after dying. "Why did you shoot me last night?"

example 2: with amanda (i dont feel like searching for a clip, but connor does refer to a past model in the first person)

sixty refers to connor as well, his own person, and therefore, seeing himself as a completely separate person from connor. even though he has connors memories... probably up to when connor met w amanda before confronting markus/north. (but also they did say data is lost when they transfer memories). the only thing that makes him different than connor is probably that data that was lost, hes a machine and whatever bullshit amanda DEFINITELY spouted into his mind before his mission.

ALSO! sixty refers to connor as a 'he' instead of 'it'; sixty is humanizing connor.

example: "HE really liked you, Lieutenant. That's what killed HIM."

even though connor referred to androids and himself as it (minus kamskis when talking abt chloe).

Sixty also appears to be more... sadistic & cocky than connor. he clearly sees himself as the 'better' connor due to not being deviant.

he quite literally prolongs connor's death in order to give his little "haha fuuuuccckkkk youuuuu im better than you !!!!" speech by shooting connor everywhere BUT where it would kill him instantly. (sadistic + deviant tendencies, hes doing more than he needs to accomplish his mission). and not to mention how he shoots connor like a hundred times in one option, like hello, overkill much?

id argue sixty is more deviant than connor was at the start. even though his software instability should... WAIT. maybe since connor didn't actually DIE and get replaced, sixty kept connors software instability from his memories? I'd imagine amanda manipulated sixty (as weve seen her do with connor) that he wouldn't disappoint her and that he was 'better' - also probably with the threat of death. ex: "if you dont stop him, you will be deactivated." blah blah blah manipulation stuff

ANYWAY. I love sixtys character and how he so #sonotdeviant .

COUGH.

video from lqixxzii on tiktok

...whoops who put that there!!!!

[eroswmorals]

bullshit.

death becomes her isnt just about staying young forever to seduce a man. that's always what people introduce it as, it's always "this is a story about two frienemies who are obsessed with staying young and beautiful while they fight over a man" but i don't think that really captures it quite enough. death becomes her is about obsession and competition in incredibly toxic relationships.

for madeline, sure, she is obsessed with people's perception of her and seeks validation from it, but what really triggers her to do these drastic things to herself to stay beautiful and have the attention on her is helen. and vice versa for helen. she is not all that obsessed with her appearence, from the looks of it, she does it all because of madeline. the interaction where they accuse each other sums it up perfectly. helen says, "i took the potion years before you!" because she has no problem admitting that she needed it. it was never about looking better, anyway, it was about executing revenge on the woman who ruined her life. madeline, on the other hand, says she took the potion but, "not that i needed it that much." because for her, it was about being pretty, but only to make helen jealous and to feel like she was better than her. she does everything she possibly can to be better than helen because she feels like helen does not respect her.

on another note, it pisses me off when people give ernest more credit than he is due. he just happened to be there, he just happened to be the thing that mad and hel fought over. it's not because they're in love with him, really, (helen probably was to some degree at first, at least in the movie) he was a pawn the whole time! in the musical, helen sings "that was then, this is now" and the whole song was about how she will finally "win" in the competition of who is better against madeline because of ernest. the song really just highlights that she's using him to get back at her. she even goes as far as to call ernest her "boring old willow tree!" and for madeline, the point has also been solidified when she and hel had the shovel fight and she admitted to stealing her men on purpose.

it makes sense that the basis for the interpretation of this movie and musical is that mutilating yourself to be beautiful is never a good idea, that is a very good point. but i think that people don't see the more specific theme, one about destructive relationships and unnecessary competition with other women, because they sort of misinterpret lisle/viola's whole sha-bang about aging and beauty. they are representations of society, that encourages these competitive relationships (especially between women), but the point is not just "stay young and beautiful forever" it's more like "you need to be better than this person/these people or youre disgusting" this is a story about a relationship that many people, to a lesser extent, can experience in their own lives where there's an endless cycle of one-upping and hurting each other for all of eternity. don't you dare tell me they care about that stupid bullshit plastic surgeon for a second or that the premise of the story revolves around him and seducing him and not their own toxic (YURI) relationship.

thank you for coming to my ted talk.

[antisepticcoward]

Another thing I noticed in DBH?? Was like

The difference between androids that deviated naturally and androids that deviated from another’s input

Like Markus/Kara/North/Connor etc all act extremely human and they have these little quirks to em

Best example being Markus vs the rest of Jericho

The leaders all act very human and move a lot and are very expressed yet the Deviants that turn defiant via Markus seem to still act very robotic but they’re just on HIS side instead of being servants to humans?? Like they follow everything he does, they do whatever he says, they just do it for HIM and not the humans.

Like we aren’t converting them to become FREE or become PEOPLE we’re converting them to the OUR side of a war, they aren’t people they’re just on Markus’ side

It’s just weird to me ig?? I totally get it tho I wouldn’t wanna have to animate 60002928 robots doing quirky things all the time😭

Another example is the difference between Connor and Sixty

Even though Sixty ISNT a deviant and he’s just pretending to be im still using that as an example.

During the segment in cyberlife tower Connor seems to move around a lot n fidget and he talks a lot more animatedly than the thing PRETENDING to be a deviant- he just acts very closely to how the deviants that are converted act??

[detroitbecomekarasbitch]

“I only play Detroit become human for Connor’s story lol I don’t care about Markus or Kara haha”

Literally shut the fuck up

[vanhilla]

ugh i really wish that ai amanda had a bigger connection to human amanda.. if only dbh had an infinite budget with infinite time and better writing i know it wouldnt be possible or logical but im imagining instead of connor using the backdoor in the zen garden at the end he can try deviating her by reminding her of her life and kamski just pretend like shes either the human amanda uploaded? transferred? into some artificial consciousness or she somehow has access to amandas memories. if not that atleast some desire to be free and getting frustated at being trapped in the garden... idk... i fear im an amanda sympathizer... her character just had so much potential that got severely underutilized, even something as simple as hearing her voice in scenes where she isnt present (for example at connor deaths or moments with significant choices like well y'know becoming a deviant, if markus is the angel on connors shoulders then amanda is the devil) would be sooooo fire.. if ur not gonna redeem her atleast double down

[my-name-is-markus-with-a-k]

It's pretty funny to question why hankcon fans ship hankcon and why do they have to make everything about romance.... like why does anyone ship anything then? Why single out hankcon shippers specifically? Just because you interpreted their relationship one way doesn't mean hankcon people are less valid somehow because they interpreted their relationship differently

It's also pretty funny because 90% of the dbh fandom ships r9, which is a ship between two characters that never even interact, and you're going to question the people who ship the two characters who arguably spend the most time together in the entire game? Especially when r9 is just a hankcon knock off to begin with.

I've said as such before but if you changed nothing about hank except make him 15-20 years younger, no way would there be this constant discourse about how some people see their relationship as romantic.

[jaijaitbinks]

Gonna say somethin' rq.

Heads up: This is NOT my usual re8/Wintersberg post! It's a rant(?) about a part of the dbh fandom

So, recently I've been revisiting my love for Detroit: Become human and the ship HankCon, because I'm just really attached to them both, and I don't understand why the hate for that ship has been going on for 3 years.

Like, it's such a good pairing, no matter what way you see it??

Romantic? There's a shit ton of slow-burn fluff opportunities awaiting. An alcoholic detective learning to open up again after the loss of a loved one, slowly but surely falling in love with someone he once despised for being the same species as the one he blamed for that loss x a robot just barely learning about himself and feelings as a whole, looking to the detective for guidance and falling for him along the way?? Fucking YES. PLEASE.

Familial? Cute father-son bonding moments + an overprotective father figure, gradually opening up to having some semblance of a family again is here. (Not my cup of tea, since (from my own perspective and understanding) it doesn't seem logical, for lack of a better word. But if that's your thing, you do you.)

Platonic friendship? Good cop, bad cop duo, ready to kick fucking ass. Best goddamn friends in the entire DPD.

There's no bad relationship to give them, and I can't see why some people are so adamant about pushing the father-son dynamic to the point of shaming the community that ships them. I like how the fandom sees their relationship in so many ways, but so many people are just. Ranting off and pushing that dynamic so hard, going on to the HankCon tags and leaving comments and shit like that (on multiple sites. Not just Tumblr).

It's just so dumb to me. There's no proof that the dynamic is "canon" or "meant to be", and I don't understand why that is one of the main arguments used to justify their persistence and shit. The ship isn't problematic either, so the fact it gets under their skin so much is lost on me.

Plus, the shippers are actually pretty chill. Both in general and with the hate. They just defend themselves from the personal attacks and go off to do their thing. It seems so unfair to me, sending hate, especially in the ways I've seen.

Just let the shippers do their thing! They're not harming you by shipping fictional characters :/