#endeis

[gaelthebard]

Depending on who died first would Aeacus even allow Hippodamia to have a decent afterlife considering his own tragedy of losing his illegitimate son mirroring Pelops & Chrysippus so closely?

Would he see too much of Endeïs in her?

[fleurbleedinghearts]

I love the pieces of information about Aeacus's family from Pausanias

Apparently Pausanias knew a version of the Neoptolemus death myth where Pylades helps Orestes kill the evil ginger abomination grandson of his great-grandfather's murderer.

And Pausanias also believes Pylades avenged his great-grandfather in the process, neat!

Endeïs is very much alive here, and like Hippodamia of Pisa, seems to have actively encouraged her sons to kill their half-brother.

I prefer the idea that Phocus is illegitimate, due to Aeacus having an explicitly alive wife (it also adds a personal touch of bitterness to Telamon's treatment of his own bastard Teucer due to him feeling inferior to a bastard, who Aeacus loved more than he loved his legitimate sons) and also because

Pausanias mentions the myth of Phocus setting off from Aegina to found his own Kingdom a couple times, which came to be known as Phocis after him and was ruled by his descendants

If he was a firstborn legitimate son, wouldn't it make sense if he was the heir to Aegina? He was even the son of a Goddess on top of his father favoring him to his half-brothers.

It's hard to see Phocus as older, him founding his own place as well as making a family of his own away from Aegina makes me think he was trying to avoid the Chrysippus/Pelops vs Hippodamia/Atreus/Thyestes situation that his family was starting to resemble.

It's a shame that Telamon and Peleus killed a guy who showed no signs of competing in a power struggle with them. He probably only came back to Aegina temporarily to visit his father.

Before I wrap this up, here's one last passage (Telamon unsurprisingly still sucks)...

...no one's ever going to convince me that Aeacus had a sweet afterlife planned for Telamon after he became a Judge

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I'm seriously curious about what Endeis is supposed to be in the version where she's the daughter of Chiron and Chariclo. Is she a demigoddess? I mean, Aeacus has a nymph mother and an Olympian father and he's not a god, he's a demigod. Maybe Endeis doesn't have to be a nymph, maybe she is a demigoddess. Because I don't remember her being referred to as a nymph…

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