#eternalism

[janusfnc14]

@sevastiel I shall Format as asked :)

Here is an interesting Reddit convo discussing how Eternalism likely works in Warframe!

This makes sense, as Wally does seem to be capable of overwriting things!

Isleweaver is him attempting to overwrite Duviri with Hatefic, and 1999 is only alterable Hex-Quest Style because Wally snuck into the Loop and springed the proverbial mousetrap

It’s great to have someone point out that Eternalism may NOT mean ‘Multiverse’, and that the force that allows for Multiverse Nonsense is The Void, specifically, and how it interacts with The World Of Dust!

Plus the idea of Wally outright Weaponizing and creating (conceptually embodying, even) Timelines to throw them at us is very Fun and Scary.

And it means that Warframe’s WoD/Normal World ISN’T a Multiverse but can BECOME one if the Void gets too rampant. Because whilst the WoD is very much Finite, from the perspective of Infinity all choices are equally valid (or invalid) and with the Void, perception seems to be reality to an extent!

Something something Wally’s Head looks like the Split Experiment in Quantum Physics, and Particles in that experiment act differently depending on if they’re Observed.

This seems an Important design choice, but I can’t decide if the ‘Thing that is Changed when Observed’ applies to just The Void, or both the Void AND the WoD as a Recursive/Mirrored act of Observation!

When you look into the Abyss, the Abyss looks back…. then gives you Space Ninja Powers, and breaks Time to hit you with your Dead Wife.

[matthewreiter]

I hope little Natah can be a companion someday, but one thing, I think this could be Natah's child if she never went through the gap that made her sterile under Eternalism.

[doubleupthescore]

Time for unpopular opinion.

I support Entrati. Yes, you feel me - I made a great work and avoided all 'yesbroheisbad' choices in dialogues with Hex and etc. I can't support my friends when they tell me things like 'booo, Luvoid, he could do better, he ruined too much, he is baaad, boooooo'.

Hold on. Here are we, Destined Tenno, a Great Mystery Drifter, Cool irl Player, ok. Here is Entrati - a science person, who made The Worst Possible Mistake that Noone Could Ever predict, who faced The Worst Evil - for a long time alone, solo, face to face, and Entrati did his best to keep Origin safe from The Devil.

Later he had to erase his existence and say bye to his family, friends, his life. He could not trust nearly everyone even himself.

He created The Plan how to kick Indifference's butt outta here and he already expected US to show up one day but we were never promised so he could not count on us.

And then he left with keeping precious Loid as safe as possible and as guarantee that at least someone will be still here to continue, to tell truth, to lead the fight, if Entrati fail - the more ppl knows, the more would be in a literal danger, cuz Indifference react when you are attentive to it, you become a flaw, a door.

When we catch up with Entrati, he already made his decision to sacrifice 1999. He didn't know we will show up. We changed situation, we helped Entrati in the way he will never goal alone without us. He had to destroy one world to save eternity of others. He did a hella of hard work with all that cooking with infestation plus gaining trust of ppl plus calculating events. He needed that energy. Remember, one world in exchange for eternal pool of them. You can't eat a pie and still have it, yeah?

So, look, eternalism is amazing yet none of the worlds are magic golden key with the fairytail solution for winning against Indifference. Every world is real world and real world isn't sweet and rainbow and not even fair mostly as you expect it to be from your point of view.

You may still say that Entrati is bad. Ofc. I'm here to explain my opinion, not to change yours. But I say - my homie Albrecht doing his job and he's doing it so damn good. Origin still exist and Indifference didn't nullify everything. My praises for this lonely man.

And ofc he can do mistakes. Maybe erasing 1999 could be that mistake, maybe he already did 9999 of such a mistakes and only now he found out right sequence for actions that we ruined. Still - any better ideas? I doubt you could find any if you try his shoes. Help him, don't blame him. We already could lose him as we lost Rell and with this loss we could have no hope at all. That the only thing I know for real.

[blaurascon]

warframe spoilers under cut but i have a free thinkin thoughts theory for yall to play with

what if, in another eternalism thing, there is a timeline where the *parents* get void powers, and the *children* go rabid feral

wally seemed keen on finding out what happened if you pitted children against their parents. i feel like he'd find the reverse interesting as well

as i understand things the drifter and operators' potential other timelines all got cut down to just their two, so i don't know how viable of a thought this is. but it's Interesting. have fun

[cosmonautistic]

"In terms of the perception of time, many physicists would argue that the perception of time, the flow of time—that the past is no longer real, the present is real, and the future is not yet real—is an illusion, or a mental construct, or something imposed by the brain. And this is the debate between what we call eternalism, or the block universe, and presentism. So under eternalism, the past, present, and future are equally real. And under presentism, only the present is real. And that's how we perceive. And this is the fundamental debate about what's the nature of time. And there's this ongoing debate where the physicists say, "Hey, you neuroscientists figure this out, because obviously time is not flowing. Why does it feel like it's flowing?" And then the neuroscientists say, "Well, you physicists figure this out, because, you know, time is flowing." But the physics is really mostly the interpretation in which, because of relativity, the physics doesn't have a specific point—"you are here" doesn't say there's anything special over here. The equations of physics are time-symmetric, or time-reversible. So that leads to one interpretation: that the past, present, and future are equally real, much like space. You can be anywhere in space; you can be any moment in time.

But I've argued that I think the brain is telling us something true about the physical universe—that it is because we've evolved to survive in a universe governed by the laws of physics, in a mesoscopic part of that universe, not at the micro, not at the cosmo, but at the mesoscopic level, to survive in this world governed by the laws of physics. So I think, and have argued this point, that it is really flowing, and our brain creates this conscious perception of the flow because it's a real part of what we experience, and of the universe."

[onyxcrimsonblur]

Vermillion

When I made Vermillion, I didn't want him to be a traditional genderbend.

Violet

While he and Violet have similarities, I wanted them to be distinct from each other.

So, they have similar features, traits, and favorite things - their journeys are different enough to make them nearly two different people even though they share the same void signature and soul, essentially.

[omegaphilosophia]

Theories of The Philosophy of Time

The philosophy of time is the study of the nature of time, including the ontological status of time, the relationship between time and causation, and the various ways in which time is experienced and represented. It involves questions such as whether time is an objective or subjective feature of the world, whether time has a direction or is symmetrical, and whether time is a continuous or discrete phenomenon. The philosophy of time is closely related to other areas of philosophy, such as metaphysics, epistemology, and the philosophy of science.

There are various theories and debates within the philosophy of time, some of which include:

The block universe theory: This theory suggests that all of time exists as a block, with each moment in time equally real and determined. This means that past, present, and future are all equally real and exist simultaneously. The theory suggests that everything that ever happened, is happening, or will happen already exists and is fixed.

B-theory of time: This theory is related to the block universe theory, which holds that time is tenseless and that all moments in time are equally real. This means that there is no objective difference between past, present, and future - they all exist equally. According to this theory, time is similar to space, and just as we can move around in space, we can also move around in time.

Relativity theory of time: A scientific theory developed by Albert Einstein that suggests that time is relative to the observer and dependent on the observer's relative motion and position. According to this theory, time passes more slowly for objects that are moving relative to an observer than for objects that are stationary. This effect is known as time dilation. The theory also suggests that time and space are not separate entities but are intertwined, forming a four-dimensional spacetime continuum.

Perdurantism: This theory posits that objects are four-dimensional entities that exist across time and persist by having different temporal parts at different times. This view is sometimes called "four-dimensionalism" or "eternalism". According to this theory, an object is not a single entity that stays the same over time, but rather a collection of temporal parts that come together at different times to form a complete object. For example, a person is not just a single entity that exists at a particular moment in time, but rather a collection of temporal parts (e.g. cells, organs, memories) that exist at different times and come together to form a complete person.

Endurantism: This theory posits that objects are three-dimensional entities that persist over time by having the same parts at different times. According to this view, an object is a single entity that stays the same over time, and it has the same parts at every moment of its existence. For example, a person is a single entity that exists at a particular moment in time, and it has the same physical and psychological parts at every moment of its existence.

The Growing Block Theory: This theory posits that only the past and present exist, with the future being continually created as time moves forward. In other words, the present is constantly expanding, and the future is not yet determined.

The Presentism Theory: According to this theory, only the present moment exists. The past is no longer real, and the future is yet to come into existence. This view holds that the present is privileged and that the past and future are merely conceptual constructs.

The Eternalism Theory: This theory views time as a fourth dimension, similar to space, and asserts that all moments in time exist simultaneously. This means that the past, present, and future all exist at the same time, and our experience of time is just an illusion. This theory has some similarities to the block universe theory but rejects the idea of a fixed future.

Four-dimensionalism: This theory claims that objects persist in time by having different temporal parts at different times. According to this view, time is considered to be a dimension, similar to space. Just as an object can have different spatial parts, it can also have different temporal parts. In this way, an object is not considered to exist at any particular moment in time, but rather it exists across a whole span of time. This view is sometimes associated with the theory of special relativity in physics.

The causal theory of time: This theory posits that time is defined by causation. On this view, events are ordered in time by their causal relationships. An event is considered to be earlier than another event if it is causally prior to that event, and later if it is causally subsequent to that event. The causal theory of time is often associated with the work of the philosopher David Lewis.

The tensed theory of time: The theory that time is fundamentally characterized by a distinction between past, present, and future. According to this view, the present moment is privileged, and the past and future are real but in different ways. The past is considered to be fixed and unalterable, while the future is open and uncertain. This view is often associated with the philosopher J.M.E. McTaggart, who famously argued that time is an illusion because the A-series of past, present, and future is contradictory.

Overall, the philosophy of time involves complex and often contradictory theories, which continue to be the subject of ongoing debate and investigation.