seen from United States
seen from Iraq
seen from United States
seen from Singapore
seen from United States
seen from United States
seen from Germany
seen from Colombia
seen from China
seen from Türkiye
seen from United States
seen from Iraq
seen from China
seen from United States
seen from Russia
seen from Ukraine
seen from China
seen from China
seen from Russia
seen from United States
What is your favourite* Deltarune chapter?
Chapter 1
Chapter 2
Chapter 3
Chapter 4
I only play mobile games / Results
*This poll is not about any objective criticism on how well the chapter is written or how much it brings to the story! It is about personal feelings and preferences, which atmosphere you vibed with more, which cast of NPCs you liked etc! It is about feelsies...
You shouldn't be posting this kind of shit lol. You're an adult, these are children. You are clearly making them uncomfortable and not only that but spreading their accounts. 'I don't have traction so it doesn't matter' it's about respect. Most adults can figure out that constantly being ontop of kids yelling at them, calling them names, and posting personal information about them isn't okay. 'They told shippers to kill themselves' they're kids. You block them and move on, they do dumb things, you taking it personally and going off the rails however, is absolutely moronic and cruel asf. This isn't the first time you've done this shit either, you LIKE being seal clapped by your friends and being a piece of shit. delete those posts, and leave the kids alone fuck sake.
1) One of the dumbest things about this situation is that I did not even know that the person who made initial Tweet telling people to kill themselves over liking a ship was a minor. I saw absolutely unacceptable Tweet, and I responded to it for how it deserved to be responded.
2) You guys pull the "just minors" card all the time, and what you guys are saying is WAY more insulting towards minors than just posting the screenshots of something ALREADY fully available on Twitter. YOU are the one insulting minors' intelligence and morals by acting like they're somehow conceptually incapable of being responsible for unacceptable and genuinely evil shit. Like, are you implying that nobody simply knows that being a bully over interests and lying is bad until they turn 18?
3) You are straight up making it sound not for what it is
You block them and move on, they do dumb things, you taking it personally and going off the rails however, is absolutely moronic and cruel asf
Of course I took it personally when one of them literally went to dig out a post from over two years ago that was not even racist + long ago deleted after friend explained me what was not right about it just to accuse me of racism (literally where?). Of course I took it personally when one of them ALSO literally screenshotted a random bio that was never mine and lied on their Twitter that it was mine.
It is not "just a dumb thing kids do let them have their childhood uwu", it is lying and slander. It is not "moronic and cruel" to call their actions for what they are.
4)
delete those posts, and leave the kids alone fuck sake.
If I deleted the posts, would they do the same with their posts? Of course not. If they somehow deleted their posts, could I be confident that they would not still keep screenshots and use them every single time I do the awful crime of sharing lore about Bloodborne or otherwise inconvenience them? Of course not. Will they leave me alone tho? Of course not. I will respond to the Twitter comments I get when I see them until they simply stop.
Also I won't fucking negotiate while being talked like that. Seriously, you could literally hold me at a gunpoint and I would still not do what you tell me. I don't understand why some of you guys thought that I would ever do what you ask from me when your "asking" is just insulting me and pulling "b-but minors can't be decent people it is a skill you only unlock as an adult" card over and over and over and OVER. You talk to me like you are well aware of my personality, so how do you not know that I never allow anyone to threaten or insult me into doing what they want?
5) These people would have acted the exact same way even with their names censored. They just need an excuse. If it wasn't "but she didn't censored out the names", it would be something else. You've seen yourself that they move goalposts towards whatever is a convenient at the moment.
6) I responded to the original person that told people to die over liking a ship (because no you don't JUST block someone who says this, and no I did not even see their age either), then their friends responded to me responding, then I was responding to their responses, and so on and so on.
7)
This isn't the first time you've done this shit either, you LIKE being seal clapped by your friends and being a piece of shit
No, this IS, in fact, the very first time I picked a fight with Soulsborne Stans Twitter. If you imply that I "was a piece of shit" before then you are one of the people who believed dumb slander posts by Percy and Marble on Tumblr, therefore you are my enemy by PROXY. I can't stand people who read obvious bullshit and just believes it, anyone with basic common sense would understand how much nonsense those posts are. And I won't do what an ENEMY tells me. Get out.
8)
'I don't have traction so it doesn't matter' it's about respect.
So me preemptively defending myself from that manipulative thing people do when they delete their posts and then lie about the posts not being that bad to make the person look worse is disrespect? So I should respect people who are being bullies on Twitter? And also liars? It is crazy with how many absolutely absurd things you are okay with, but the moment I defend myself is where you draw the line?
Again, I posted it where my friends can see it so they know what actually happened when those people will go in their inbox and DMs to try and twist the situation in their favour. Which IS something people like this do.
9) Again, these posts literally don't matter. YOU guys WANT them to matter. There was exactly one thing that should have been censored out and I did that. These Tweets are fully available on Twitter already, it literally doesn't matter if they're seen somewhere else because Twitter is where real online activity happens anyways. Your demand not only doesn't make sense no matter how you approach it.
LOL that Gehrman Hater deleted their post and wiped their blog. If you're too weak for this fandom with mature themes, get the fuck out! Good job bullying these idiots out of the fandom, if they can't handle discourse they shouldn't be anywhere near fandoms and don't deserve to be here 👏 but they deserve to be told off. AND they made a sad little post complaining about it like it changes things. Thank you for taking out the puritan trash again, they don't need to be anywhere near us.
(In relevance to this ( x ) debate)
I have to respond in this blog instead of my more used @katyspersonal because you have that one blocked. I assume it was not anything person
.......Wow, that's rich, "anon". Really. I forgot to even think about these things happening, but it is clear for me now what you are really getting at.
Admittedly, I've expected the OP to just block me and maybe delete the post (since there was nothing to argue against my evidence). I honestly think that wiping the blog and changing username is a bit too drastic, but it is his choice how to react on being proven wrong. I had no control over how he would respond, I simply retorted against misinformation like I always do. You have only half-point that Bloodborne fandoms does notoriously hate lore discussions and only wants their fanons validated.
HOWEVER. For one, he is NOT a Gehrman Hater himself! He was simply drastically wrong about Gehrman in his post, but he didn't express any negative bias against the character or his fans! Nor he is a "puritan trash" (unless some of now-deleted posts gave away such attitude, in which case remember to not throw such strong words without evidence). Nor someone who fell for mistranslation blunders and popular parroted takes (ie 'Doll is idealised housewife made to be submissinve') is automatically an idiot- and I say it as someone who used to throw this insult around generously in the past, but never again. And last but not least: I did not fucking bully anyone.
Your ask is a very obvious bait, and by merely sending it you have insulted my intelligence no less than how you've insulted that of mytypeismohg/swallowyourmemories. It has nothing to do with the exchange that actually happened. But what are you baiting me for? There are two explanations for your bait that I can concur from it:
FIRST OPTION: You wanted to trick me into accidentially "admitting" on approving of bullying and harassing people with inaccurate takes in the fandom, so you could run around and yell "LOOK LOOK guys, katyahina is just a bully!!! This is the true face of Gehrman defenders!!! Stop citing her takes unless you want to be associated with a bully!!!". In which case you have failed, because here is the exchange, linked at the start of this post, for everyone to see that I did not bully the OP but simply debunked his points in a completely neutral manner. Everyone can also figure that OP is a grown ass person who makes his own choices on how to react.
SECOND OPTION: You live in your own world of delusions where people who defend Gehrman whenever this discourse pops up ARE, genuinely, just evil bullies, and in sending this ask you have attempted to get under my skin. In other words, you have deliberately formulated this ask as an "ugly mirror" of my actions in the fandoms, so I would read it, """realise what I have done""" and reflect on myself. In which case, again, you have failed, because I've done nothing wrong. :p I disagreed in a neutral way and debunked points that were simply wrong and contradicted canon, which is everyone's right in the internet!
Regardless of whichever it is, you are strongly disconnected from what actually happened. Also regardless of whichever it is, you seem to be very strongly occupied with how people in the fandom read Gehrman, Maria and the Doll, to the point of going out of your way to pull this trick. And also regardless of whichever it is...,
..at some point, @fantomette22 was baited by Percy in the exact same way, over exact same topic, with exactly the same amount of detatchment from reality and the exact same disregard for the basic intelligence of a person they tried to manipulate. ( x ) ( x ) Back then, we also could not figure out whether they wanted to trick Fantomette into accidentially admitting on being misogynistic or they wanted to give her the "ugly reflection" manipulation (you can see I rolled with the former). All because she drew Gehrman and Maria having a child in the AU where they lived both. In any case, it seems like there is someone in Bloodborne fandom who is extremely controlling over the most popular fanon on Gehrman, Maria and the Doll remaining the ONLY acceptable way to read these characters, so they use this exact tactic to paint them in a bad light and/or believe they are genuinely bad people. You are having a relapse episode, aren't you?
....well, even if you are not who I think you are, you've stepped on quite a landmine with this one. In any case, just accept that Gehrman badly suffered from mistranslations and bad faith and people who are not okay with this are not disappearing anywhere. Disagreeing is not bullying! Manipulation can be considered as bullying, on the other hand.
P.S.: Since I know how this hellsite is, here is the reason I am using he/him for the OP:
It is he/him at the time of making the post
Something that I absolutely love about the Edgedancer Kaladin AU is that it's not just that, right? Because yes, it starts from the idea of changing one thing about the world. And yet it becomes so much fun to explore all of the different potential ramifications of that change.
It is the "What if Kaladin was an Edgedancer?" AU, but it is also the "What if Moash was a Skybreaker?" AU, the "What if Eshonai lived and became a Willshaper?" AU, the "What if Dalinar died on the Shattered Plains?" AU, the "What if Helaran had lived?" AU, and the "What if Adolin was a Windrunner?" AU all rolled up into one.
And it provides so many interesting character opportunities to play with. Idk, it's just cool to see so many different ideas spring from one question
One thing I really like about Funger is how it portrays the decline and growing mysteriousness around its old gods as Alll Mer and the new gods came into the picture, honestly pretty accurate portrayal of how pagan gods became ominous and terrifying as Christianity spread and older religions became obscure. Termina takes this even further by having advancing technology and the mere existence of Logic sort of questions the religions that dominate the world.
The wilted rose image was NEVER meant to be an imagery of SA happening?
Alright so, I now kind of want to talk about the change a bit more seriously:
I think that the cornerstone of any discussion regarding the change should be a very simple fact: Chapters 3, 4 and 5 were meant to come out in a TANGENT!
Chapter 5 provided more context on what the flowers symbolise in Deltarune's lore: fair and expected enough, they are the markers of dreams and love!
The wilted flower imagery is still valid, for this same reason! The red rose is a universal symbol of love at its most passionate, and Noelle does hold very strong love for Susie... But also, for Kris as well. Noelle has been pining for Susie for quite some time, but also she yearns to reconnect with Kris and SHE is the one that initially leans in for a kiss with Kris in the couch scene!
...a kiss that Kris denies. Perhaps, because of knowing it weren't really them that allowed the things to come to this point. Perhaps, because they actually like Susie. Or, perhaps, because there were some things they felt compelled to "show" to her.
The scene in Chapter 4 gets quite literally lit up with the red, and it is also important. The red light in Deltarune's setting is the marker of connection with the "divine beyond"! It is the Red human SOULs that are so far the only ones proven to be connected with the Player, it is the color marker in which Carol addresses YOU (again, the Player), it is the light in which Kris' eyes glow when they are opening the Dark Fountains, EXP and LVL are also red according to Sans and they're the stats in which the Player erases Kris and creates a "Chara". Needless to mention that during Weird Route, Kris gets similarly "erased" by Player's influence as Frisk once was! Just remember how the narrations upon checking here and there in Chapter 5's Weird Route became 'blank'!
Toby is not shy of addressing dark topics in his stories, but in this case I would say the intended message is that Kris somehow was able to "show" Noelle the beyond. As plain as it would be, I think they could simply pass her the knowledge through their eyes. For example, Spamton, who was also ruined by seeing something he was not meant to see, reported seeing something so bright that his eyes were burning!
So, why the flower wilting? As a marker of the things that were meant to flourish but now never will!
Noelle's love will never flourish now; her crush on Susie becomes meaningless in the comparison after what she has seen and her born-anew crush on Kris got harshly rejected literally as soon as it appeared! Noelle's dreams will never flourish now either; she already had very little to hold onto earlier due to her mental state and now completely resigned to just "leaving". Regardless of what you believe happened in the lake, she does not believe that where she and Kris are going is JUST death. She is fully convinced that they are going somewhere "real", away from the artificial world of the videogame's bounds. Much like Jevil once have, she deems everything worthless now.
The thing is, this imagery IS quite hard to decipher without the provided context from Chapter 5. There was a miscommunication of what intention Toby really wanted to convey due to a lot of things missing, so fans commonly interpreted it as 'wilting rose = "defloration" = sexual assault'. Not unreasonably so, either: Chapter 2 of the Weird Route literally had 'marriage' symbolism and themes of coercion and... well, characters were literally on the couch, right?
But the very fact that Toby removed the wilted rose proves that he was NOT happy with this becoming a widespread assumption! Toby is not... particularly cowardly when it comes to being questioned. HE of all people would not worry about Twitter users interpreting him as a weird creep for allowing the players enact a SA scene between two teenagers, for two reasons. One: many people thought something so dark was powerful and interesting, the presumed backlash wasn't as bad. Two: Toby is friends with several "problematic" people and is strongly against censorship in fiction and fan creativity. Forget "Toby chickened out and decided to be toothless", he is not this type of writer.
The only way I see him worrying about the reception is only if it was wrong to HIS vision! There were similar instances of Toby gently pushing the fandom to understand better with the morality of his characters! For example, he had to add a dialogue for the Spade King to clarify that he was as nuanced and sympathetic character as everyone else and addressed Chara being "sweet little chocolat" that Asriel DID love dearly on his OWN accord without any brainwashing on his streams, as a response for the fandom portraying them as pure, irredeemable, one-dimensional evil in its highest form.
As for "what was he even expected?" question? Again: in HIS mind, Deltarune existed as a whole, and when he was including the wilted flower scene HE had Chapter 5 in mind, unlike us! Besides as a fellow writer that contains 500 terrabites of not spoken out loud lore in my head I can testify that you can and WILL get tangled in your creativity to the point it becomes harder to tell which one of your thoughts are self-explanatory and which require context!
Unlike the flower imagery, the connection between the glass and broken dreams was already foreshadowed since Chapter 2. And so, replacing the flower with the broken glass was an arguably better way to connect the Chapter 4's scene with pre-established symbolism and what was MEANT to be conveyed!
In retrospective, broken glass imagery works very well: Noelle described her apathy and depression as "looking at herself through the glass" and now that she finally saw a VERY bright and solid goalpost above everything else, that "glass" cracked. But at the time before Chapter 5, the only way to give fans a hint was going with 'you know, fallen star cried and its tears formed a glass, glass shards are formed from broken dreams and now we are destroying Noelle's dream about having meaningful connection with Susie and just salvaging something from simple things in life! you know!'.
Glass imagery is the only way to properly connect overarching symbolism whereas needing to keep the message itself but also account to the missing Chapter 5's important insights! I fully believe that rose imagery would be kept had Deltarune came out in full at once, or at least had Chapter 5 came out with 3+4 bundle! What can I say? Development issues can cause debatable changes sometimes!
whatever creature that is
Tenna is so desperate for relevancy and attention he resorted to ragebaiting people on Xitter to get any. This is all your fault, folks. You stopped watching TV entirely and this is the result. Hope you are happy. Hope you can sleep well at night after what you've done to his mental state.
literally no one:
some boring lewser from twitreddit (that also has no hoes): I hate it when there are LARPERS in our cool Deltarune fandom that don't bother ACTUALLY researching lore! You are disrespecting Toby's vision! It must be so terrible to be Toby seeing the way some of ya'll treat his Themes And Such TM!
humble Toby, taking time to create a whole group of characters as satire of the type of fans that take these things a little TOO seriously:
green Pippins: 'LARP' is an abbreviation for Live Action Role Play! It's CASUALS! The word you're looking for is CASUALS!!!
