Chris Elston: This next video– that is on the right side of the screen, that is a male named Marci Bowers. That's a man. The woman in the center is Dr. Johanna Olsen-Kennedy. This was a leaked video. This was an internal video conference they were having, and they're discussing the ability of boys who started puberty blockers at Tanner stage 2. Tanner stage 2 is the beginning of puberty. This is when you first develop pubic hair, it's when girls' breast buds first start to form. So these kids are all 10, 11, 12 years old, and that's when they start them on these drugs.
Again, these drugs have never been approved for this purpose. These are prostate cancer drugs. These are drugs for endometriosis, for uterine fibroids, but they happen to stop puberty.
So they're discussing how it's destroying the future sexual function of all these boys. They admit to this, and I want you to hear it from them.
Marci Bowers: The second was an observation that I had that every single child who was– or adolescent– who was truly blocked at Tanner stage 2 has never experienced orgasm. I mean it's really about zero. These are just assigned male at birth, so trans-feminine. It's because they never in their lives are exposed to testosterone. That doesn't change.
So blockers prevent the rise of testosterone, and they don't really go on testosterone at or around surgery or into adulthood. So we don't know. They're going to have this sensation. There's no question about that. But are they going to be able to achieve sexual satisfaction?
It's important in relationships, and I know that from my work with female genital mutilation survivors that the lack of being able to be intimate with a partner is very important. So this is what really raised the red flag for me, is to say, look, we need to have our eyes open about it. I think it's been beneficial talking about it. I know Jo and many others have reported to me, you know, they've changed their approach a little bit in their informed consent models and that we're talking about masturbation now. We're talking about, okay, that's an area of the body that's got very dysphoric for you. But you know what? All a penis is, is just a large clitoris. I mean, it's all the same material. It really is. So, so, you know, use it for, for, for the pleasurable purposes, partially that it was intended. And, you know, we'll see what happens.
But these are, these are to be answered questions. So can we avoid puberty and get good adult results? And secondly, how do we, how do we assure someone that they're going to be able to be sexually responsive? Do we remove the blockers during the course of their adolescence and let a little bit of puberty come back? Do we delay it a little bit, maybe into Tanners three or four, maybe before they have their first orgasms? Maybe.
Elston: I apologize for the graphic nature of this. It's important to understand that's the president of WPATH. That all the countries that you represent, they write the standards of care. All the countries, gender clinics, all follow their standards of care. The UN pushes their standards of care. The WHO pushes their standards of care.
That's the president. And what's he saying there? He's saying, what do we do? Do we let a little bit of puberty happen? Do we take them off the blockers, let a little puberty happen? Do we delay the puberty blockers? They don't know what they're doing. They don't know. He admits it. This is an experiment on children, the most vulnerable children among our society.
