so weird when people start talking about how "men can't be oppressed simply because theyre men" and then start listing all the reasons that- huh- men *can* be oppressed simply because theyre men, and then trying to put a different spin on it???
so youre going to tell me that men being told "don't cry" "dont do *that* job that's for *girls*" "that couldnt happen to *you*, youre a *man*" is.. not men being oppressed... because.. theyre men...??
trans/misogyny and trans/misandry can and do co-exist. because misogyny is oppression against women and/or women-aligned people and/or people perceived as women in some way, and misandry is oppression against men and/or men-aligned people and/or people perceived as men in some way. often at the expense of the other group.
telling a woman, "don't do *that*, thats for *men*, do *this* instead" - that is misogyny and misandry. how? because you're implying that a woman cannot do this so-called "manly" thing, because it's "not suitable for girls", and then telling her to do this other thing instead, indirectly implying that this more "feminine" activity is *for* women, and therefore *not* for men... which implies that men can't do that thing because it's not "manly" enough.
the reason trans/misogyny and trans/misandry co-exist and overlap is because it is, at it's foundation, oppression. it is the oppression of a certain group of people because of the idea that certain genders cannot and should not do activities (and etc.) that society have deemed unacceptable for that group.
women not being taken seriously by healthcare providers, simply on the basis that theyre women? misogyny (and misandry, because it implies that men have a different [higher] level of knowledge/autonomy of their bodies than women do, which is frankly untrue)
men not being taken seriously by SA/R help/survivors, simply on the basis that theyre men? misandry (and misogyny, because it implies that only women could be so "weak" [untrue] as to be able to have been SA/R'd, which is patently untrue)
women being told to go into nursing instead of doctorate school, simply on the basis that theyre women? misogyny AND misandry
men being told to go out and get a job instead of staying at home to help with the house/kids, simply on the basis that theyre men? misandry AND misogyny
do you see the pattern? the answer to solving or helping trans/misogyny is not to turn that rhetoric back on trans/men- that's what's already been happening! misogyny CANNOT exist without misandry, and misandry CANNOT exist without misogyny. oppression cannot exist without oppression.
if you are not in control of your emotions (unless it is, perhaps, anger), and unless you like these certain things? you're not a *real* man, then
if you are not emotional/reactive to things (unless it is, perhaps, anger), and unless you like these certain things? you're not a *real* woman, then
to defeat misogyny and misandry (gendered oppression), then you cannot perpetuate the idea that one gender is better than the other, or that only certain genders can do certain things. you have to break the idea that only certain ideas/tasks etc. are for certain genders. it cannot be *equality* unless all are equal. it doesn't mean boost women up while tearing men down, it doesn't men keeping women oppressed, it means evening the playing field.
allow women to be publicly strong, publicly weak, publicly *everything* that is human because being strong, smart, weak, emotional, angry, joyful etc. is not gendered.
allow men to be publicly strong, publicly weak, publicly *everything* that is human because being strong, smart, weak, emotional, angry, joyful etc. is not gendered.
tldr: trans/misogyny and trans/misandry do co-exist and overlap, and to destroy one means having to destroy the other- there is no other way to defeat oppression. oppression means to be *oppressed*. if you defeat one and not the other, you free no one- for now you are caught yet again in the endless cycle of oppression, now you're just the ones on top/the oppressors. im sick and tired of people denying the existence of one or the other.