Corruptiongate p.4: The vanishing never-existence of Jonathan Byers, Suzie Bingham, Barbara Holland — and the drama of the real finale + doppelgangergate
[ p.1, p.2, p.3 + visual erasure of Will in s2 ]
Jonathan seems to be a character created by the Lab to give Will a brother. Jonathan could be visually based on David Bowie and performing tasks of supporting him and also introducing Will to music, which would keep Will in the simulation.
(although I’m not sure that he as Jonathan acknowledges it, and probably is genuinely living in Nina and loves his ‘brother’)
But Jonathan isn’t just an empty hologram.
(meanwhile, notice how the colour palette of Jonathan’s room, including the Bowie shot, duplicates in Will’s t-shirt)
…Have you ever wondered why we love Robin so much?.. Why she is such a good friend to Will? Why she has basically substituted Jonathan for him? Why is she so good at music and even knows what Will would like, barely being acquainted to him?
(we’ve known for a long while that Holly is Mike, and who knows who’s Max atp, but Ig, this door also has a lock on it)
my og post with 👆 visual analysis + @beaulesbian meta finds
Robin is good at music like Jonathan, Robin likes Nancy like Jonathan, Robin is Will’s support like Jonathan. Robin knows the kids. Bc Rockin fucking Robin IS Jonathan.
And it’s Robin who plays Jonathan, not vice versa, bc👇 Steve and Robin are Brenner’s numbers 👇
(It can also explain the absence of their parents)
The way I see it is that Robin was placed in the hologram when, let’s say, Will needed a brother figure; as soon as he’d grown up, he got a queer friend who helped me where Jonathan could’ve but he wouldn’t understand Will that much. All this time it was one character, who was originally a girl, but changed their gender to fit in Will’s life.
Jonathan yearning for Nancy while Stancy, anyone? (now I even see Steve in Dan. And El)
this also explains why the characters keep quoting each other: sometimes it can be literally just one character, or it can be switching-arcs-s5 (like in @warmglowhc example of Dustin being Mike), or repeating storylines, mixed up with each other.
(do we still remember that Priah wasn’t that satisfied with Erica’s ending? could that be bc Erica is not real either?)
What fascinates me is the tendency of switching genders of the characters, depending on what was needed for Nina tv-season:
At this point I believe that Dustin is in the lab, same as Henry is 001; but Suzie and Barb are their versions needed for other characters for the plot.
❗️Along with this there’s a pretty solid evidence for stonathan endgame by @strange-anni which also matches Will’s erasure from the narrative; so far I’m not exactly sure how it aligns, but as there are also shots of Robin and Jonathan together, I believe in the simulation they can be duplicated (doppelgangergate, anyone?): like, here’s a nurse looking like Nancy, aside from Vickie being Nancy:
Ted and upper Hopper doppelgängers are from @erikiara80 (one, two) the last one is from my post here
and as for this gang, I’ve always felt like they are a crew here, so I even assumed that they might be just the “agent smiths”, however, as we’ve just seen, I still believe that just partly —
I think it’s gonna be the drama of the real finale:
some of our characters are just a program, but they’re attached to each other, they have feelings, and they might be not ready for this to end.
Stonathan might be endgame inside Nina, if Steve chooses to stay. Ronance will become endgame irl. Max’s been sus too long not to be a program, so does it speak in Lucas staying in Nina? (We’ve had theories that Lucas could’ve stayed with her version wherever she is, and somehow we’re back there?) If Steve stays for Jonathan, Dustin might stay for Steve. It also means that Eddie might get back into the picture, but generally we need to lock in sfm with doppelgängers, as it’s a huge hint at who’s real.
The ticket from Tales quite truly foreshadowed:
[ main corruptiongate posts ] [ other key theory posts ]
p.s. here’s one more genderbend and self-insert from this post by @lesikm
Just recently we have discussed that we don’t know why El was looking at the camera in Nina as if Brenner could see her: my assumption to that is that he also visits his holo-worlds.
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Imagine el helping trans fem mike braid her hair!! I swear- too cuteeee. And maybe t4t trans masc el and mike helping eachother, like mike showing el how to bind safely and well and how to deepen your voice, and el helping mike with braiding his hair when it gets longer, because he never felt like learning
So apparently Laci Green is a bad girl now. I'm not even going to try summarizing the Incident. Not that I'm trying to belittle it, I just don't feel like I need to expend the energy to understand it.
So maybe whatever she did there was fucked up. So maybe she's making it worse right now by trying to defend her point and punching back at what she insists on calling SJWs. (I hate that word so much, with all its alt-right implications. Can we please burn and bury it?) So maybe she's in the wrong there. Fine.
But all those people saying "this is the last straw" and pouring on the hate as if this invalidates everything she's ever done, that just makes me mad. Especially because it's not a one-time thing. People do good work, then they fuck up one time or somebody discovers one thing about them that's terrible. Suddenly everything they've achieved is tainted and you can't quote them, buy their books or link to their videos any more because Haven't You Heard She's Actually Terrible?
I'm not playing this game. Not with Laci Green, not with anyone else. Along with Scarleteen and some people I'm not allowed to name, Laci Green's videos helped me get through puberty with my brain, body and body image in something like working order. I'm going to keep watching and sharing those of her videos that I find useful, and I'm going to keep pointing my friends her direction for (tentative) answers to all kinds of sex, gender and body questions.
At the same time, I don't feel the need to defend her in this trans-shaming thing that's going on. Not just because I don't fully understand it and it doesn't interest me, but because I don't think she can't be wrong here just because she's often right about other things. (And yes, this works the other way around. You can still be an atheist even though Richard Dawkins is sexist. You can still be a vegetarian even if Hitler... you get it. Godwin's law: check.)
You know the joke. "See that house over there? I built that house. But do they call me Harry the House-Builder? Nah. And these young people there? My kids. I raised them, fed them, got them all the way through puberty. But do they call me Harry the Good Father? Never. But you screw ONE goat..."
