Daenerys/Viserys: see other people get loved and respected and they want that.
Daenerys/Viserys: choose fear and violence (he threatens Dany; she burns KL)
But it gets better
Daenerys/Viserys: threat their loved one (specifically one person in their life) — Viserys threatens Dany and her unborn child, Dany threatens Sansa (it’s all her fault. She did this, when speaking about Varys) and the other Starks.
Jon/Drogo: 👀👀
Daenerys/Viserys: smile when they think they’re getting what they want (a crown and Jon next to her “breaking the wheel”)
Jon/Drogo: after having appeased Dany/Viserys with words (“I’ll give him a crown” and makes her believe he believes in the world she will build “you are my queen”) — KILLS THEM because they have threatened their loved ones.
Drogo: promises Dany and her unborn child the Iron throne (her father’s seat)
Jon: “Ned Stark’s daughter will speak for them (the North) she’s the best they could ask for”
Drogo/Jon: both kill a mad/power hungry Targaryen to protect the women they love and ensure they have their father’s seat for their future children.
Jon Snow & Sansa Stark Book Parallels & Mentions 1/∞ : Jealousy about Joffrey
His half sisters escorted the royal princes. Arya was paired with plump young Tommen, whose white-blond hair was longer than hers. Sansa, two years older, drew the crown prince, Joffrey Baratheon. He was twelve, younger than Jon or Robb, but taller than either, to Jon's vast dismay. Prince Joffrey had his sister's hair and his mother's deep green eyes. A thick tangle of blond curls dripped down past his golden choker and high velvet collar. Sansa looked radiant as she walked beside him, but Jon did not like Joffrey's pouty lips or the bored, disdainful way he looked at Winterfell's Great Hall. A Game Of Thrones, Jon I
"Jon says he looks like a girl," Arya said.Sansa sighed as she stitched. "Poor Jon," she said. "He gets jealous because he's a bastard." A Game Of Thrones, Arya I
Hiii! Do you ever see GoT writers, actors or even D&D confessing their plan of Jonsa or the reason Jonsa parallel Ned&Cat and even Jaime&Cersei? Something in the line of: okay, this was the plan but we changed our minds because X. That would give me soooo much peace. The foreshadowing and parallels were so obvious it makes me anxious when I remember the real ending.... even if they never get together. But what happens in between.
I would love an explanation too! I sometimes try to put myself in D&D's shoes and imagine what their platonic explanation could be for all the parallels/contrasts they created for Jonsa, and I actually think that the Cersei and Jaime connections would be the easiest to rationalize, but the fact that they also paralleled them with Braime is what makes it seem like it wasn't just a healthy sibling duo in contrast to Cersei/Jaime, it wasn't just about showing us the difference between Cersei and Sansa as leaders, it felt romantic! Especially as that convo carried through to the ending, Jon and Jaime were being paralleled and juxtaposed, both choosing their sisters over someone else, but Jaime choosing his "evil queen," Jon rejecting his, which means, you can't say it was accidental, they were intentionally doing that in s7-8.
Obviously, in the books the NedCat 2.0 idea will be a thing, we've already gotten comments about Jon and Sansa individually looking like the og, so D&D inserting that with the redux of NedCat scenes, ok, not necessarily romantic, maybe just a nod to the books, maybe they overdid it, but their motives were pure. Except, they included the choking LF scene. Jealously, rage, desire to kill. Sure, of course, LF deserved it, but then they also had Sansa be angry and jealous in s8, and again, there are platonic explanations for some of it, but it crosses the line, particularly in the feast scene. At that point it feels like it's more, something else.
(And let's not even talk about the parallels with Robb and Talisa, Sam x Gilly, or Gendrya.)
But will they ever tell us anything? Well, let's say TWOW comes out in a year or two and Jonsa is a thing in the books. We absolutely would have the entire fanbase revisiting Jonsa's odd chemistry in the show and rethinking things, and I bet, yeah, we'd finally get a reporter who would ask a useful question regarding the Jonsa scenes. Or, say Kit goes for it in Jon's spin-off, we'd definitely get some new insight into the acting choices he made in s6-8.
Absent of that, I can't imagine getting confirmation? Mainly because, it's not just an unpopular ship, it's hated. Dany stans, Targ stans, Jon stans, I saw all of them taking comfort in the midst of their rage and grief that at least Jonsa didn't happen. Any hint that show Jonsa in some form was real is probably the only thing that would make people hate the last season/finale more. Considering how disgusting our fandom is (they harassed child actors because they hated the characters they played, they ship the actors with other actors, bully them off social media, stalk them...) I don't see the upside of bringing it up and there is a big downside.
If they had the cover of Martin's books or a new show, D&D could say they didn't do it because it was weird but here's how they hinted at it or Kit could say it grossed him out but he tried to subtly include it. Presented that way, people could be sympathetic to them, not blame them, so I could see that. But if they just announced, "Yep, Jon had Targy feelings for Sansa," I don’t think people would take it well!
Has anybody ever talk about how eerily similar Jon and Sansa’s “resurrection bath” is?
Sansa Stark in 5x06 - Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken
Jon Snow in 6x02 - Home & 6x03 - Oathbreaker
A few things:
While Sansa is not dead, her bath is a form of a “resurrection” ritual. She was resurrected from Alayne Stone to become Sansa Stark again through the washing of her hair dye. Her hair color is the one thing that differentiate the identity of Alayne and Sansa. And while Sansa is not dead, the showrunners reminds us that bathing is usually a ritual done to a corpse. Here is the first scene from the episode where Sansa has her bath, courtesy of Arya.
Arya Stark in 5x06 - Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken
Although of course those corpses did not rise after the bath and say their name, rather they stayed dead and Arya covered their bodies.
While Jon is really dead and a corpse bathing is a perfectly normal ritual, what’s curious is why his resurrection involved a bath ritual when he is resurrected by a fire priestess? For example, here is Beric Dondarrion resurrection.
Thoros of Myr and Beric Dondarrion in 3x05 - Kissed by Fire
While Jon and Sansa’s bath has a similar atmosphere which is dark stone, water and fire (more on Sansa’s), Arya’s corpse bathing ritual didn’t have the fire element (but have the sun instead) and Beric’s only have fire and dirt.
Then there’s the resurrection of Jaime Lannister who has all of those elements: (lighter and more colorful) stone, water, fire, dirt and sun.
Jaime Lannister and Brienne of Tarth in 3x05 - Kissed by Fire
Not a resurrection? Oh, but it is. He went in as the Kingslayer, did his confession and emerge saying his name Jaime Lannister, just like Sansa.
