#lostbelt 2

[gfre0]

[ritsukakyrielight]

Ophelia Phamrsolone the embodiment of "she should have been at the club"

[lemonadehtwooh]

playing LB2 a bit more and slight spoilers but Why is Napoleon low-key charming. This man said "Oh la la", how am I supposed to take him seriously. However I also find this very suspicious

[otonashi2003]

無間氷焔世紀 ゲッテルデメルング

[versegm]

[Listen while you can]

[akkreti]

Scathach-Skadi: I have everything under control.

Sitonai: Right, is that why everything’s on fire?

[worldweaverofmediocrity]

Seeing that you've been going thorugh the lostbelts of late. What's you're current opinion on all of them?

to put it in semi-precise terms, my Ritsuka operates under the quad feelings of: "How many Gerdas looked up at the sky and were impaled by trees?" + "This is the world Romani Ars Nova'd for, there is no way in any of the afterlives that I will let this world die so easily." +

"I have spent an unknown amount of time protecting this world from Ars Goetia, the Ritual of Humanity's Incineration/the Remnants of the fractured Ritual/whatever was in the events. There is no reason to stop protecting the world now." +

"Just because I have to kill your world to save my own, doesn't mean i can't chronologize your world so that you may be remembered."

I'm actually really tempted to write a fanfic that actually allows Ritsuka to use the whole "I'm saving my world." response to Qin from part 3. Ritsuka, as one of the people who faced most/all of humanity/the world's cruelty, acknowledges how diastourous the world may be. ...if Chaldea, and others like them, did not exist.

however they do.

Isn't that why you are fighting me? for we have the same job, we would have been friends (indeed we were before the whole confusicsm thing) if we were on the same side.

what's that? you don't know about Ars Goetia? then I have done my job correctly.

or as someone far more equlent than me (I can't even spell the word): https://old.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/k3sbzj/cosmos_denial/ge574sp/

4-6 I have yet to actually play, so I only have second hand info and thus only have second hand opinions.

[falisma275]

Me going insane about parallels between Tsukihime and Lostbelt 2

Okay, so straight to the point Surtr and Ophelia's relationship is meant to parallel and be the reverse of Shiki and Arcuied's relationship. So for the superficial stuff, both situations involve literally two individuals who form a connection due to a mystic eye that causes one of them to change their outlook in a profound manner and fall madly in love with the other. Shiki and Arcuied met due to Shiki's own instincts taking over, which led to him using his mystic eyes to cut Arc. This impact on Arc was so profound that it basically changed her personality. For Surtr and Ophelia, due to Ophelia's mystic eyes, she met lostbelt Surtr before any of the events of the lostbelt. That moment was such an impossibility that it became so profound for Surtr that he desperately wanted to do anything for her as thanks.

But since we're past the superficial stuff, this is where all the differences lie. Because while these events, while similar, only truly apply traits and abilities, these characters are not who they are. Shiki isn't Ophelia, and Surtr isn't Arcueid. But for the two humans, they do have different mystic eyes, which reflect their own actions. For shiki from his own understanding of life and its simple fragility he wants to always attemping to never be passive even in situation where even his own memories are a lie to him and abandoned any connection he had with his former family because of what he vaules. Ophelia, on the other hand, is so indecisive because her family's training stole her agency. In a twist of fate, a person can force another to follow a certain path with her mystic eyes, said person have no decisiveness of their own. Other parallels are what they value, how they treat their partner's predestined path, and how they deal with the mistake they made.

For Arcueid and Surtr, while they do have parallels, like them being both super weapons made by the world using (supposedly) blueprints from an alien species, The most important part is how much that moment affected them. While I would hesitate to use the remake in this thesis (even though it's like the whole reason why I started writing this idea), it's better to show a clear example of the difference between the two. To put it in layman's terms, as a machine, Arcuied is way too broken, and Surtr isn't broken enough. With Arc in the Ciel route, she was forcing herself to become human, which is clearly not good for her; she was basically going against her own functions. But with Surtr, despite wanting to do anything for Ophelia, it just kept on going back to burning the world at the end. He was still the ending of Ragnarok and could never truly stray away from that, even till the end.

Anyway, there's more to get into in Lostbelt 2, like how Napoleon is reverse Ciel or how hilarous it is that Brynhild technically takes on the role of Roa, and how her relationship with Sigurd is reverse reverse Shiki and Arc. Or how Ophelia's endgame is becoming Shiki technically. Or-