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@lilithfairen @matrixdragon @murphymakestherules @lee-rambles-about-rwby
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@lilithfairen @matrixdragon @murphymakestherules @lee-rambles-about-rwby
https://www.tumblr.com/lilithfairen/715426586230456320/ozpin-one-of-my-students-was-the-fabled-rusted
Today's pleasing mental image. RWBY on the Astral Express. Who would break and hug the heck out of Pom-pom first?
Weiss is going straight for Pom-Pom, she loves that fucking thing. Full on March 7th-style dressing them up in cute outfits and cooing over everything they do.
New review from Lilith Fairen where I really begin to wonder if she has reading comprehension so poor that I should feel guilty for being harsh to someone with a mental disability. The lack of fundamental comprehension is that bad.
Either that or she does this on purpose because like CanonSeeker, she thinks that "criticizing the critics" aka bullying, is a sane thing to do.
But of course Lilith doesn't comprehend the first thing about criticism because it has to come from some sort of intellectual place. But she doesn't do that. She's just hating because she hates Celtic Phoenix/Raymond, and not for anything that he's done, but because he's a fan of a show she dislikes: Madoka Magica. She is peak petty and childish.
Where as most so-called "capital C Critics" and "RWDE" are genuine fans of RWBY and look at it through this lens of being a fan, Lilith is not a fan of FRWBY. She doesn't understand the point of it, doesn't comprehend it. It's rather sad considering she's a writer and should know how writing works, and that it can involve editing. Someone who is more artistically inclined takes their criticism to an artistic level, but she doesn't understand this.
Anyway, by now it's clear that I'm not really responding to Lilith or any of her pathetic ilk because they're going to keep doing this no matter what. My goal isn't to communicate with those who have gouged out their ears in order to keep hating. My goal is to make sure anyone who talks about Fixing RWBY and becomes curious about it will see how Lilith and people like her twist things around to lie about a fan project done out of passion, telling people its done out of spite because people like her cannot stand it when people are more successful and popular than her. Especially if it's a man, doubly so a Madoka Magica fan.
You have an illness. You are mentally obligated to make yourself unhappy. Dislike FRWBY all you want, but no one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to watch a fan video. Having gone through all the saved logs of your previous tumblr, I know for a fact that you have a visceral need to be unhappy. You can't help yourself. Seek therapy or at the very least unplug your internet. Go outside, breathe some fresh air. The internet has obviously not been good for you.
Thing you miss most about Texas and (if you're comfortable with it) thing you are happiest to be away from.
Thing I miss most about Texas?
Nothing.
Things I am happiest to be away from?
All of Texas. Holy crap that place was awful and harmful to my health. So many awful things happened to me there and I kept hearing "BUT AUSTIN IS SAFE" every time and I would go on to explain how ALL THE WORST THINGS THAT HAPPENED TO ME HAPPENED IN AUSTIN.
Texas is BAD.
Character Reactions, God of Light, RWBY.
send me characters and I’ll tell you:
First impression: oh my god it’s the gods
Impression now: FUCKING SON OF A BITCH CANNOT WAIT FOR RUBY ROSE TO BECOME THE GODSLAYER
Favorite moment: Explaining Salem’s immortality to her.
Idea for a story: What he and his brother are doing with other worlds while canon is going on.
Unpopular opinion: Him coming back to Remnant is not going to be a good thing at all.
Favorite relationship: With his brother.
Favorite headcanon: Oz was just as misled by the God of Light as his followers were by him. What GoL wants isn’t actually for humanity to be united, it’s for them to be worshipping him again.
Doodle request of Ruby cuddling the Cat.
Nothing like a good cry with a cat that doesn't really get it to lift your mood
How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
According to the Poetry Foundation, a woodchuck would chuck “As much wood as a woodchuck could chuck, if a woodchuck could chuck wood.”
Researchers at Cornell determined that a woodchuck could chuck about 700 pounds.
I know I shouldn't expect anything to come from this, but Lilith posted something that actually excites me. Because it's something you can actually chew on and discuss.
(Why bring up Critter here? Is she just a posterchild for you? I hope you don't think I'm Critter because lol)
Lilith proving she doesn't understand what critique is for or how to implement it. I mean, we kind of all knew it, but it's nice of her to actually say it herself. Because she thinks critique is nothing but spewing obscenities for the purposes of bullying, and not, genuinely looking into what you perceive as an issue with something and explaining why it's a problem to you for others to agree with or disagree with.
No one has 'pride' in being a critic, and that's a stupid concept to begin with and shows just how off the mark she is. How far away she is from understanding anything.
The problem I have with you, is that you do not critique Fixing honestly. There have been people who have legitimately critiqued Raymond's work and there was discussion to be had there.
One person talked about how he thought Nora's arc, feeling guilty over being so jealous of Pyrrha and never reconciling their differences before her death was poorly done. That's fine as a criticism.
Another person more recently (due to me responding to you) looked at the show and thought that it was hypocritical of Raymond to say he didn't want to 'cop-out' on things like Pyrrha's death and yet brought Roman back. That's also fine as a criticism.
A lot of people (including me) criticized Raymond for replacing Oscar with Roman, as much as people liked the idea of Roman, because they wanted to see what Raymond would have done with Oscar. That's also valid criticism. I think Roman replacing Oscar is ultimately fine, but it's still disappointing due to the anticipation and expectation. (Hell, Raymond is on record as saying he hates Oscar and yet I've given him an Oscar in a (heavily Alt Uni/template for OW) rewrite scenario that Raymond absolutely loves. Because if canon isn't going to deliver, and the one rewrite I actively follow isn't going to deliver, I must do it myself.)
You on the other hand say that the show is shit because Raymond hates women. That he's queerphobic and an alt-righter. That's not valid criticism, that's attacking Raymond's character. You purposefully lie about the contents of the project to paint Raymond in a bad light. Everything you say about it is all meant to say how Raymond and the SH are bad people. Do you not understand the differences?
Even when people criticize M&K they're (mostly) not attacking them as people. And those that do, I disagree with them. But I don't care about engaging with RWBY outside of Fixing, so I've never commented. Even then, the majority of that talks about their behaviour in relation to how their views and beliefs and behaviours may inform their writing of the show. They talk about them as professional writers being paid by a company to write for a show. Once your work is out there, it's fair game for criticism and it's not evil of people to have problems with your writing ability and criticize it. No, not even wrong to criticize Raymond. But how you criticize is the key difference, and that is where you fail.
Libeling someone about their character and motivations because you don't like their fan project is why I started responding to you. Because that is abhorrent behaviour toward another fan of the show.
Rewriters don't have to come up with original plots. Depending on what the rewriter wants to do, it can be vastly different or similar to canon. With Fixing RWBY, Raymond liked enough of the canon show to see that it could be good. But there were a number of glaring issues that dragged the story down. Pointing those out and coming up with scenarios where those are rectified doesn't make one less creative. One criticism that a lot of people had was character bloat.
That comes in two parts:
The amount of characters that appear on screen who now have to have screen time devoted to them.
The lack of anything of substance to justify the characters' existence or make them feel like characters.
Why are these things a problem for people? Because if you aren't going to do much with the characters at all, then you're taking away screen time from the people who should be important: Team RWBY. This is why people criticize Jaune. As much as people like to claim he's meant to be a subversion of the typical shounen hero, he certainly gets a lot of big character beats played straight. Character traits and beats people think should have gone to someone from Team RWBY, or at the very least should have come after Team RWBY got their share. Because they're the title characters, yet people do not believe the show pays enough attention to them.
Now, do I believe you might possibly have valid criticism? If I'm generous, yes. You claim that he gives all of these character moments to various male characters. I disagree and I point out my reasoning as to why. So why do you believe he doesn't focus as much on the female characters? What constitutes the female characters having enough screen time for you to no longer be unhappy with Fixing?
As it stands, with how you go about your criticism, I can only conclude that you just dislike the inclusion of men at all in Fixing. Which, I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous. RWBY is a female-led story, yes, but it's not a female-only story. It's not in canon, and it's not in Fixing. Male characters are going to have some presence in the story. The issue is how much, and more importantly, how much in comparison to the girls based on their arcs.
If, for instance, you say that maybe Blake talking out her issues should have been given to another female character. That's fine and valid as criticism. I could argue that all the female characters are a little too close to the issue and that wouldn't feel comfortable, especially since Blake still feels like an outsider in the group despite Ruby's attempts at mending that. Even Nora, and Neo is best friends with Yang, which might make such a conversation uncomfortable. So where does that leave Blake? You could force an interaction with a female NPC, but that is an unnecessary character added for one scene. No one is going to care about them. Or, you can add in Cardin and Russell, who are replacing one-off characters Dee and Dudley, as they are far removed from the group dynamics.
Now, Velvet could have fit this role perfectly, but that also comes with it's own set of issues. Namely, why would Velvet be following Team CRDL and not sticking with her own team? Sure, she and Cardin are friends, but they're not tied to the hip. But if it had to be a female character, I'd think Velvet would have been the perfect choice. But there'd be a lot of hoops to go through, and if replacing CRDL with CVFY, one member of Team CVFY would have to die.
That's... that's just fandom, man. Like I don't know what to tell you. This isn't unique to RWBY, it's just human nature. That's especially fandom that's been going through a dry spell of mainline content. Or do you mean Nitpick November, where the literal point was to talk about nitpicks because everyone accused critics of only talking about things that didn't matter?
What counts as worthwhile vs minor and inconsequential things, by the way? Who dictates what can or cannot be viewed as important? Immersion is not universal. Different things can take different people out of the story. Things that I miss, you might have stumbled with and vise versa. Something one person can overlook is something that bothers another person. Are you implying that there is a 'right' or 'wrong' when it comes to what people experience? And I'm talking about legitimate experiences here, not twisting something to fit a narrative. Since you mentioned Critter, I know for a fact that she ignored a lot of things that bothered her because she wanted to enjoy RWBY. She talked about it in her videos. And I sat there wondering why she'd tolerate so much, hand wave so many things that bothered her if it caused her a lot of grief. But that's what happens when you have passion for a show and it degrades in quality. As an outsider, I never got attached to the show to feel that frustration and desperation. But I've felt it with my own fandoms, so I can empathize.
Ironwood's actions are not minor in the story for V7&8. That deserves to be scrutinized, especially if people were unsatisfied with it. And people were also unsatisfied for different reasons. Sure, some people might have wanted him to be a good guy. Others did see where the writers were going with him but thought they stumbled and fell on their face just before the finish line. Others take issue with certain aspects and not the whole.
Characterization is more subtle and requires deeper dissection in order to properly define and justify. Ruby no longer focusing that much on weapons is a minor thing, sure, but people lament the flavour - the spice - it brought to RWBY, and it's little things like that which makes the meal. If enough spice is removed, you're left with blander food even though the larger meal is still intact.
Some do. Again, it depends on what the goal is. Specifically with Fixing, the goal was to try and preserve as much of canon as possible, but not being precious with it. It's disingenuous to look at other people's complaints and apply them specifically to one person in particular. He might not agree with those other people. 'Critics' aren't a hive mind and they can disagree with each other.
You haven't demonstrated anything of the sort. Would you have a problem if it was Oscar and not Roman getting all of these scenes? Then again, you've complained about Arslan getting any kind of development, even if it's just a few minutes sprinkled here and there, and she's not a male character. Velvet also got a lot more development in Fixing, even outside of Cardin, and the same with Neo. This is why I say you're disingenuous. You cherry-pick who you're going to focus on as getting development.
Team RWBY and Nora all have significant scenes for themselves and for their development.
Blake's entire arc in Menagerie was expanded and Sun kept his role as 'sidekick' to Blake. He didn't overshadow her at all.
Yang's arc had Neo to bounce off of and Neptune was a cameo. He only appeared briefly at the very end when Yang finally went to physiotherapy.
Weiss had an arc all to herself after leaving her home where she bounced off Vernal and Raven, two female characters. Shiloh was a background element, important enough only because he had a special relationship to Vernal.
Sienna gets more in the way of we see her actively working in the White Fang and with Adam where it's not just something spoken about in dialogue the moment she appears and a few minutes before she's killed off. We see her deteriorating relationship with Adam as their ideologies differ. We're shown, not told.
Ilia gets more in the way of showing her internal conflict with how the White Fang is moving and her dividing loyalties between her beliefs and where the movement is going before she meets up with Blake.
So... why are these things ignored if you have such a problem with Fixing not focusing on female characters? In order for your criticism to be valid, the criticism actually has to reflect reality. You don't get to ignore things that are inconvenient to your narrative.
The meat of the story they love to criticize ceases to be a problem as long as male characters lead the group.
Huh. I don't remember the scene in Fixing where Roman declared himself leader and suddenly everyone - RWBY, JNR+Q are now following his lead. I seem to recall that had it been up to Roman, he'd ditch everyone and search for a way to pick Ozpin out of his body, fuck everything else. If you're talking about the one scene where Ruby goes off with Roman to actively search for leads, that was him leading a single investigation of many with only a single person beside him. Hardly what I'd call 'leading the group'. Like I mentioned before, Ruby went along with him as his handler, because no one trusted him yet. They still don't.
Like the concept of Raymond saying "60% of RWBY is fine, but we gotta touch up the rest of it" is completely lost on Lilith here. In her mind it can only be that either all of it is perfect, or none of it is.
(percentage is a random example)
Ah, and here I thought the 'husband' line was purely an Eren talking point. Do you not understand the concept that people can have children outside of wedlock? When did they say that Shiloh was Raven's husband, in or out of Fixing? They said he was Lily's father, not Raven's husband. Those are two separate concepts. In fact, Raymond explicitly says that they are not married. Raven just has her pick of the men around camp to get frisky with because she can do that as chief. Also, he was not 'random' in canon, either. He belongs to Raven's tribe.
I've explained why this is bullshit. Lilith is a broken record. Pointing out you're a fucking moron isn't 'flipping our crap' it's pointing out you're full of shit and why. RWBY has flaws. All shows have flaws and you are legitimately delusional if you think there can exist anything in media that is perfect. And the very fact that you have to lie about Fixing proves that you have no ground to stand on. Because if you did, then you'd be able to engage with it honestly, like other people have. You want Raymond's Fixing to only be about men so you can hate on it because you hate anything that men are involved in. That's why you ignore any time women do anything in it other than when it suits your lies.
If you cared about women's representation, you'd focus on where he falls short on their focus, not spend all your time screaming about a joke character getting 3 minutes more screen time and a main villain for the volume being the goddamn main villain of the volume.
And because MatrixDragon loves commenting on Lilith's garbage
I'm sorry, what? 20-25 episodes per season is a "real world limitation" of what can be animated and put on screen? Girl, you don't know anything about what you're talking about and it's probably best if you kept your mouth shut because this is highly stupid.
That shit is standard and even on the low end of the spectrum when it comes to season-long episodes. RWBY takes an entire year to get through its volumes with less than half the episode count most other cartoons with year-long productions have. These episodes aren't overly long, either. They're shorter than standard episode length.
"Real world limitations" don't make me laugh. Episodes that don't have a lot of action and fight scenes are standard fare and easier to animate and allow the budget to go where it needs to, like the fight scenes.
We all know that Rooster Teeth has issues paying its animators, so if that's the 'real world limitations' you're talking about, that's not a limitation on the story or the animators needing time or whatever, that's the company being garbage. Other companies can pay their animators and direct them in a way that doesn't lead to crunch and doesn't have to lay off artists because they're not bad at management. They also don't make artists work on multiple different things at once. A show that doesn't have that many episodes being produced through the entire year has no excuses.
Rushing through shit because you need to have action in most of your episodes is stupid. Not properly setting anything up because you're afraid if you don't start the season off with a fight scene to entice your audience is pandering and condescending. But who knows, maybe you don't mind being treated like you're dumb as long as you get the dumb action schlock. It ultimately doesn't matter. But Raymond's Fixing is not worse because he took the time to set things up that isn't just random fighting and if you cannot comprehend that, then maybe you don't know anything about storytelling either. You certainly don't know anything about animation and don't pretend you do.