Bless.. This shit ppl seriously take this thing bb says in a rush to venom more important than the whole tritt tapes....
[ God fucking RIGHT??? Like did anyone even actually LISTEN to the fucking tapes? ISTG everyone was so excited to see John’s fall from “hero” to “villain” that they are just kind of making shit the fuck up and pulling assumptions right out their asses rather than looking at the facts.
What gets me so fucking pissed is the whole post about “John being the villain since Peace Walker” or even posts trying to claim that Huey is “innocent” and it was all John’s doing AHAHAHA?!?!!?
No. We are very explicitly told that Huey is the one who went behind John and Kaz’s backs in order to write a secondary letter to the IAEA expressing that they had changed their minds and were totally cool with the idea of them coming and inspecting Mother Base. We’re also told he’s responsible for the leak on (Diamond Dog) Mother Base and we also know that he killed Strangelove. I’m sorry there’s no blaming that shit on John, you dim fucks.
Motherbase getting destroyed was Skullface’s doing but ultimately Huey’s fault.
SO YEAH THAT INDIGNATION AND LOSS AND OUTRAGE THAT WE SEE BB GOING THROUGH AT LOSING HIS MEN? THAT FIGHTING-UNTIL-THE LAST MOMENT AS THE STRUTS ARE COMING DOWN ALL AROUND HIM THAT HAPPENS IN GZ? THAT WAS FUCKING REAL
Paz blows up and their helicopter crashes. John falls into a coma. When Kaz himself passes out, Zero has managed to locate where they are and fucking steals both John and Venom for his plans to keep John safe. [then later he just dicks with Kaz on the phone like a fucking asshole oh m y g o d]
We learn that OH YEAH ZERO IS THE ONE WHO CHANGED VENOM’S FACE. THAT WASN’T JOHN’S ORDER. JOHN WAS IN A COMA. AHAHAHAHAHAH FUCK THE FUCKING MORONS WHO THINK THAT VENOM SNAKE SERVING AS A BODY DOUBLE/PAWN FOR BB IS ALL JOHN’S PLAN BECAUSE IT CLEARLY WASN’T???
Ocelot and Zero don’t exactly see eye to eye on everything but they’re still on respectable terms with one another. Ocelot is the only one Zero trusts to be inside of the loop in taking care of John
Zero visits John in the hospital and BOTH Venom and John are in a coma. So either Venom fell into a coma himself (likely during transit from one hospital to the other) or his coma is a manufactured coma while they project John’s personality and memories onto our poor cinnamon bun medic.
When John finally does wake up, it’s about the same time Venom’s been coming in and out of it. He and Ocelot have some nice little chats.
in said chats we learn the plan is to use Venom as a body double for John, while John will actually serve as a body guard for his own double. That way they can keep the limelight off of John for a while since “the whole world wants him dead”. THIS MEANS JOHN DID NOT COME UP WITH THE PLAN. THE PLAN WAS ALREADY IN MOTION. THE PLAN WAS ZERO AND OCELOT’S PLAN - MOSTLY ZERO’S THOUGH, SINCE OCELOT CHANGES UP THAT PLAN LATER ON.
IN FACT: John actually seems initially a little hesitant about the idea, but Ocelot assures him that Venom took a BOMB for him so a) that means he ‘gave up his life for him in that moment’ (which clearly means that they can do whatever they want with him right lol?) and therefore b) he would be willing to take this on as his ‘final mission’.
Furthermore - we know that later on Ocelot implies ‘at some point’ (he probably assumed sooner rather than later) Venom would fulfill his purpose and have to die: he says there “can only be one” Big Boss. That there is “only room for one”. Saying that + saying Venom pretending to be Big Boss is his ‘final mission’ seems to confirm to me the idea that Ocelot didn’t anticipate on Venom being around for as long as he is. But JOHN NEVER GIVES HIM ANY ORDERS TO OFF HIM. SO. You know, again, John isn’t a 100% evil dickbag. LMAO
When Venom wakes up John obviously shows vested interest in keeping Venom alive, but he does not seem 100% emotionally removed from the situation like a truly evil and manipulative person would - his concern for getting Venom out of there seems pretty legitimate - he’s ANOTHER SOLDIER, and insofar as he knows, the game plan at that time is that he is supposed to play as this other soldier’s bodyguard;
Case and point: when they crash the ambulance John’s first course of action is to get Venom out of his buckle and help him out the ambulance - until Ocelot shows up.
Ocelot tells John to take his bike and lie low. I honestly feel like this was a spur-of-the-moment thing that John had no idea about because he hands him off the passport and papers like ‘this is the new game plan’, and they go off in different directions. THIS bit is speculation but: I honestly believe Ocelot didn’t feel like he could truly (make himself) forget about John if John was right there, playing body guard to his body-double. It was obviously hard enough on Ocelot to forget him in the first place, but to have John RIGHT THERE would have been murder on the poor cat’s psyche.
Since the original plan fell through, and now John has to go into hiding NOW is when John decides “lol I’mma make my own Outer Heaven, that sounds like a pretty good idea while I’m killing time”. I mean, why the hell not? He has dick all else to do. Venom’s keeping Cypher’s eye distracted so that allows John to do as it was his (and Kaz’s) idea to do before: to build up an army. Only this army is going to be an army-nation.
THAT is the actual rundown of facts contained within “The Truth”. OH. And to the morons who don’t get it. Big Boss did not just cast Kaz aside, either. SURPRISED? Ha, I’ve got some little bits of evidence I’d like to point out that helped me to draw this conclusion. It’s not just wishful thinking.
When Ocelot and John are having their little chat, Ocelot calls Kaz John’s friend. That might seem kinda Trivial, but when you compare that to the way that John reacted so vibrantly to Ocelot calling Eli his son, it kind of makes a big difference. John doesn’t dispute Kaz being his friend. He doesn’t say “no, we were never friends. I was just using him to this end.” He also didn’t elect for what happened to Venom and he isn’t responsible for mother base getting destroyed so there’s literally no reason to assume that they are on any kind of bad terms.
Although Ocelot is pretty quick to spin a web about Kaz hiring him to come and find him (which, Kaz might have thought to be true in a sense, since Zero DID tell Kaz that if he behaved himself he’d lead him to a series of clues which would eventually lead him to Ocelot. So Kaz very well could have been under the impression Ocelot really was legitimately on his side about finding John), Ocelot really doesn’t mention anything about Kaz’s whereabouts and location to John, meaning it’s really easy to assume John simply didn’t know Kaz was actually in trouble. Ocelot seems chill bout everything, so there’s no need to worry, right?
I fully believe most of Ocelot’s interactions where he is being deliberately antagonistic towards Kaz to be largely a testing “probationary” period, in a sense of the word. I’ll get to that even more in the final bullet point but - just kind of, think about it: Ocelot couldn’t even trust himself with the truth of where John was. He put himself under hypo-therapy and drugs to convince himself that Venom was actually John. If he couldn’t trust himself, then no way he’d trust Kaz - who Zero obviously doesn’t trust, so why the hell should he? Because John did. But even so, I noticed a lot of peculiar behavior from Ocelot that can’t really be explained in any other way but this: he’s testing Kaz, and the other men. Ocelot seems to be pretty keen to doing things that could potentially be putting “Big Boss” in danger. Mainly, bringing quiet on board (and electing that she be a “buddy” with him on the battlefield). His excuse of “she SAVED the Boss” is pretty flimsy, when you think that SURE AS FUCK Skullface wouldn’t care about killing off just ONE jet pilot if it meant getting a spy into mother base. Considering how much of a double, tripple, quadruple-crossing little fuck Ocelot is he would have known that. It doesn’t make sense. It’s entirely irresponsible - UNLESS You consider Venom isn’t the real Big Boss. His life doesn’t ultimately matter to Ocelot. Not the way that John’s does. If Quiet had killed him, it would have been a waste, but it wouldn’t have been the end of Ocelot’s world. THIS is the purpose of even having a body-double: to keep John safe. With THAT in mind, it makes more sense, why Ocelot pushes for some of the things that he does, while Kaz is a lot more logical (and emotional) about keeping Venom safe.
Just a little thing but: John wears the Diamond Dogs emblem. Kaz created Diamond Dogs. John wears the Diamond Dogs print leather Jacket. Sure Ocelot brought it for him but, do you think he’d really be sportin’ the emblem if he was like “NO DICKS TO KAZ HE CAN FUCK RIGHT OFF”. I mean, he threw The Boss’ bandana into the ocean when he was pissed at her, after having held onto it for so many years. No. This is a man of sentiment. He is in no wise against Diamond Dogs or out to see their downfall. In fact, that would be highly counter-intuitive to his plan of creating a nation where soldiers are free to fight for their own reasons???
Back to the idea that Ocelot was testing Kaz; we’re not told how Kaz finds out that Venom is not the real Big Boss. But instead of denying it further or trying to brush things under the rug, at this point he decides to come clean to Kaz. A lot of people think this bit is some how a ‘ha ha John likes me better than you’ bit of vindictive spitefulness, but I actually got out of it the exact opposite: by this point Kaz had proved himself loyal and true enough to Big Boss that OCELOT TRUSTED HIM: he tells him that “The Real Big Boss” is building his Outer Heaven somewhere else, and that the two of them are to continue aiding the “Fake Big Boss” UNTIL THINGS ARE READY. UNTIL. Meaning that Big Boss STILL HAS A PLACE FOR KAZ IN THE REAL OUTER HEAVEN. I mean, why WOULDN’T he? But as if that wasn’t enough of a smoking gun - Ocelot actually proceeds to try and get Kaz to stay??? By stating “you know, sooner or later there’s only going to be one Big Boss. There’s only ROOM for one Big Boss.” he’s actually making the argument that Kaz simply needs to BE PATIENT. Bide his time like Ocelot is. They can BOTH have John to themselves again, just so long as they keep playing their roles. But it’s too late: KAZ has already made up his mind about feeling hurt and betrayed. KAZ is the one who decides “Big Boss can go to hell.”–KAZ is the one who misunderstands - LIKE EVERYONE ELSE - that John’s actions towards him are not deliberately malicious. They’re simply presumptuous. Like John and Ocelot had both assumed that Kaz would just be chill with this. But no, Kaz feels (pretty rightfully) pissed the fuck off and betrayed for having been left out of the loop. But you know, It wasn’t done JUST to hurt Kaz. Even Ocelot couldn’t trust himself; he had to alter his own memories just to be sure he could keep John safe. It all comes down to a rather nasty misunderstanding of each other’s will. And in the end, isn’t that what MGS is ENTIRELY about? All of the games major events stem from a misunderstanding of the Boss’ will, and then a massive butterfly effect of having the wrong idea follows suit.
John is actually NOT THE VILLAIN we’re painting him as. Don’t get me wrong, he’s not the HERO by any means. But MGSV isn’t about black and white morals - it isn’t about heroes and villains. It’s about two very dark shades of gray. It’s something I don’t think enough people are comprehending: If John was really pitch black, he could have no redemption arc in MGS4.
Consider the main theme song which is associated with John: “Here’s To You.” - It’s about not one, but TWO “terrorists” wrongfully convicted and put to death. TWO. One could read this as The Boss and John, although recent events could lead one to make the case for John and Venom. But either way: what happens in MGS3 is a FORESHADOWING. That John, the purported “villain”, the man that we are TOLD is the “bad guy", is doing right by his own mind’s eye. He - and Venom - still believed that together they were pursuing their own “liberty”, even though by that point in time they have completely lost sight of the very thin line of morals and ideals that they once used to have.
We will NEVER get to see a redux of MG1 and MG2, which is a TOTAL tragedy. There is SO MUCH potential there. BUT, one thing is VERY clear to me: Big Boss ain’t the PURE SATANIC EVIL DEMON MONSTER OF A MAN FROM HELL OMG THE WORST HUMAN BEING TO HAVE EVER LIVED that the fandom is makin’ him out to be.
YOU ARE ALL BEING DECEIVED BECAUSE AIN’T NONE OF YOU LOOKING AT THE FACTS.
