#neuroplatonic

[pride-stars]

Neuroplatonic : platonic attraction affected by one's neurodiversity.

[radiomogai]

We're behind on the MOGAI ABCs lmao

Family, Friends - what's your relationship with the concepts of friendship and family? are you out to your family and friends, if you have them?

Fuck if I know

To put it less succinctly and not as crudely: we aren't sure, and there's been a lot of long-time questioning around both family and friends, about our platonic and familial orientations, all of that

^ I don't have a divider for readability so you get critter

Collectively, we&'re aplatonic. Or, more specifically, we're darkgrayplatonic, we're narcplatonic & neuroplatonic, we're aplatonic-adjacent, and platopunk. Translation being, we experience platonic attraction so rarely it's usually preferable to just call ourselfves aplatonic outright, our NPD and other conditions (schizophrenia being another one of the big ones) are part of why we're aplatonic and have a big impact on how we approach friendships (and how platonic attraction is experienced on those rare cases we have it), and we kind of make our own way with how our friendships go

We get asociality as one of our most common schizophrenia negative symptoms. When we do take platonic interest in someone, it's usually because we see them as admirable and someone that would elevate us& to know. We like hierarchical friendships, though there's a lot of ways that can go. One thing we've found kinda amusing is that a lot of the people we get platonic crushes on have ASPD and/or DPD; it's not intentional, just a pattern that keeps on popping up

And it took us a long time to realize we're aplatonic. We wanted to be aplatonic, we felt envious, but it didn't fit. And then in hindsight, a lot of what we thought was platonic attraction was community attraction, or communal attraction, or presential attraction, all of which we& experience pretty frequently. Platonic attraction itself? Not so much

We're not usually interested in making new friends, we're happy with those we've got. We don't want to be called someone's friend unless we have mutually, explicitly agreed that we have a friendship going on. And we& value our acquaintanceships and community members a *lot*! Something else to write an experiences post on eventually. We just don't want to try and force them into that 'friend' box. That's not what they are and we don't want them to be that, we're happy with our relationships as they are. And this has taken us yeaaaaars to figure out

Family-wise... we&'re questioning if we're afamspec, but it's been difficult to figure out. We get in loops all, do we actually not experience familial attraction, or are we just traumatized? And yeah, we know that it's actually common for afamilial stuff to be trauma-related, but if it *is*... We've got the concern that labelling it as afamilial would lead to a mental shift making us& really firmly averse to the idea of repairing those familial relationships we've got. And while we flip-flop on that, it's uh... the body's father, at least, he's trying. And we can really, really see that he's trying. And I don't think we want to give up on him, cause it's clear he's not giving up on us

Which... I guess that I wrote that at all is a point towards the allofamilial side. I know we& experience familial attraction in-system. There's a pair named Zahav and Dror that most of our fronters feel familially towards, they kinda got put into the dads role and seemingly have embraced it. I don't personally care about them but I was born yesterday and split over an argument with the body's father so I'm just kinda against the idea of having a dad in general, but that's just me. I know in another system in this body, there's a good handful of fronters who've got some sort of group mom thing going on, so, in-system familial attraction

And we've mentioned it before but our cultures impact the whole questioning afamspec thing too. Judaism heavily values family, and in a way we& feel we would be betraying our ancestors somehow to not marry and have kids with another Indigenous person from our nation or cousin nations. It's all complicated, I don't know

And in terms of being out! Yeah it's pretty fucking obvious lmao, at least that we're queer. I don't know what the body's family does and doesn't know about our identity, I think they think we're a trans man and for the most part we let them, they surely know there's nonbinary stuff going on even if they don't have language for it. Body's parents still deadname us all the time but our siblings use our actual name. Body's dad does our t shots sometimes

Friends-wise, vast majority of our friends are online, and online we're... Online we run radiomogai lmfao. Offline, we've got one friend, who also knows. Even talked to them about occunous stuff. We're out fully offline, have microlabel keychains and all that, not that anyone ever recognizes them. Most of the time we're either clocky or ambiguous, depending on your mindset, and we openly only use it/its and neopronouns offline, so... Our acquaintances, familiar faces, all of that, people know we're queer, regardless of how many actual details they're aware of

Wow this got long @dragonpride17 @mogaiexperiences

[jamiieeez]

Neuro- Orientations related to haveing BPD

The flags are based on this[link] BPD flag. The terms in this post are exclusive to those who have BPD. Those with informed self-diagnosis can use it as well!

BPD-Fakeromantic/FP-Fakeromantic

BPD-Fakeromantic or FP-Fakeromantic is an neuroromantic and arospec identitiy that can also be interpreted as a subset of nebularomantic[link] where one is aro(spec) and has a trouble to identify romantic attraction due to their BPD. This is often due to thinking one experiences romantic attraction when actually just being obsessed with a person/ this person being one's fp and only after this obsession ends being able to tell it wasn't actual romantic attraction (if even that). One may also always when this happens think "this time it's different, this time these is actual romantic attraction" but it's not attraction. Since this identity is often connected to having an fp I gave it the alternate name "FP-Fakeromantic" I made this label for other types attractions with the same definition just with their specific attraction types.

Since these all these lables can be seen as a subset of the nebula- attracrions: here[link] is a post where all these lables are explained or linked.

BPD-Fakesexual/FP-Fakesexual | BPD-Fakerose/FP-Fakerose

BPD-Fakequeerpaltonic/FP-Fakequeerplatonic (two flag versions)

BPD-Fakeplatonic/FP-Fakeplatonic | BPD-Fakealterous/FP-Fakealterous

BPD-Fakesensual/FP-Fakesensual | BPD-Fakeaesthetic/FP-Fakeaesthetic

BPD-Fakephysical/FP-Fakephysical | BPD-Fakeemotional/FP-Fakeemotional

BPD-Faketertiary/FP-Faketertiary | BPD-Fakeattractional/FP-Fakeattractional

[neurorientation]

Currently low on spoons.

Welcome to the neuroorientation archive, run by @keyringmogai. This blog archives all neuro- attraction labels, including, but not limited to: platonic, sexual, romantic, sensual, allion, aesthetic, and queerplatonic terms. Feel free to tag us!

Queue is set to 4 posts a day, 4pm-12am EST. We tag by attraction type and theme.

No DNI, as this is an archive.

[radiomogai]

Hi hi! Just read some of the pinned things (lovely formatting by the way, genuinely a super fun read) and I had a couple questions ^^

1. What would you consider being parasocial towards you? I assume this means considering you ones friend without asking or assuming one knows you when they don’t but I’m curious on what the boundaries are there

2. What are your experiences being aplatonic-spec? We recently found that most of our system is likely friending aplatonic-spec (if that’s the right term) and would really love to hear another perspective on it

Don’t feel pressured to answer both or either question, it’s mostly just our own curiosity rather than clarification purposes ^^ sending lots of good wishes either way !

for question 1: considering us to be one's friend without asking or assuming one knows us when one doesn't is a big part of it yeah, but there is more. it's also things like putting us on a pedestal as someone who can do no wrong and thus defending us even when we do fuck up, it's also things like expecting perfection or near-perfection from us and then getting super hostile when we can't meet those standards

calling us slurs even in a joking way {this is something we sometimes do with friends but it is not at all appropriate for a stranger or acquaintance on Tumblr to say to us!!}, putting words into our mouth. just generally treating us like we're an idea or concept, or expecting us to be infallible and take consistent cruelty with grace. forgetting that, hey, we're a person behind the screen, a person with a life outside of this, a person with a history and experiences that y'all don't know and aren't entitled to know. that's another one, acting entitled to our thoughts, or experiences, or attention

for question 2, while we call ourselfves just 'aplatonic' a lot for ease, a more detailed and more accurate description of our collective platonic orientation is that we're grayplatonic, neuroplatonic largely because of our NPD {though we haven't found a more specific term for that yet, we'll do it. eventually.}, and platonic non-conforming. still figuring out what our collective platonic stance is, if we have one lol

platonic attraction is uncommon for us, but we do experience it! when we do experience it, it's usually in a way that relates to our NPD, because it's experienced towards someone that we consider to be equal to us, superior to us, or almost to our level

as an aside, while we don't have one collective way of experiencing the internal hierarchy NPD thing, the majority of us experience it in a way that's... it's not that other people are bad, it's that we're simply better. we rarely will mentally sort someone into like, negative numbers i guess, we just usually sort ourself into a higher number than basically all others unless we're having a narc crash. anyone who gets mentally assigned a higher score than we give to ourselfves {outside of narc crashes} tends to become an FP. but. that's a tangent lol

so, back on topic. our view of friendship is that it's a commitment, and that agreeing to be friends with someone means there's responsibility on us. being friends with someone is, to us, unrelated to enjoying their company, or the way they think, or speaking to them regularly. if we're someone's friend, it means we have a responsibility to check up on them, learn and better keep track of their personal needs and what's going on in their life, and be there for them even when we don't want to. because we made a commitment, and we'll honour it

we don't need platonic attraction to have a friendship, and we have friends that we aren't platonically attracted to, but having platonic attraction towards someone means that we actively want to have a friendship with them, we actively want to make that commitment. not, "i'd say yes if asked, but i don't mind if it doesn't happen", not "i feel obligated to perform these duties", not "i'd say yes to a friendship with them if i thought it would benefit me", but desiring a friendship with them because of our own emotions towards them

uhhh this is a long ramble as it is and i started getting into like... our asociality and self-centeredness before realizing oh!! that's another topic pretty much entirely huh!! mayhaps at some point i will talk about it anyway... we worry about annoying people by talking about ourselfves and our experiences too much but given we've had several asks about the new pinneds saying it's really nice to know more about us, and that poll we did got a ton of people saying they do want to see more experiences posts {as well as the other stuff!!}, shrugs!!!

[jamiieeez]

Neuroattractional

Neuroattractional is when all of someone's attraction types are influenced by their neurodivergency. Exclusive to Neurodivergent people.

[your-bigender-big-brother]

is neuroplatonic specific to aplspec ppl? if not, would neuroaplatonic fit?

Neuroplatonic is specifically for aplspec folks. I can relate to it for sure but I prefer not to use orientation microlabels for myself. I try to keep it simple.

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