#online arguments

[obelisart]

Online Arguments.

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(The boys are breaking up but one of them is toxic. Guess who.)

[evergreen-fangs]

dni if you smell like shit and think it’s okay to bring up a dead relative in online arguments

[irritatednick]

I'm approaching my limit with arguing about Charlie Kirk on X and the platform in general. I engaged with like, two threads to lay out my logical thinking about peoples' arguments mostly for myself and not like, to persuade people to the truth or whatever. But I'm finding that these conversations are not productive. My points have been misinterpreted and conclusions drawn from them based on what they think I believe and now what I actually said; even after clarifying they forget it and pigheadedly reassert their framing of my position; they go on tangents that change the subject; they look for evidence to condemn the Left that, if admissible, would implicate the Right way more. I'm losing my mind.

[dusk-the-skiploom]

[kawaiiibunnii]

It pisses me off SO bad when I'm in an online argument with someone and they keep calling me "babe". "sweetheart". and other pet names. like bitch wtf????

[yonderghostshistories]

1 thing i have managed to do is try to not get into unnecessary arguments with people online, even if i think they’re annoying lol (which is weird cuz, contrastingly, in real life if i’m absolutely pushed to my buttons by someone i can be a very argumentative person sometimes lmao)

cuz ig unlike irl, in the online world I can be able to avoid and ignore arguments online cuz ya’know I can scroll past them and just ignore them.

Unless someone online is being a super duper dickhead or is just spreading misinformation or smth (which tbf that is when an argument is necessary in that context lol), I otherwise just try to ignore them and I just roll my eyes in annoyance instead and move on.

It isn’t easy sometimes but like so far I’m doing good lol.

[totally-cis-offical]

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[todaslocas]

How to debate right wing trolls online (and win)

I've been in a few arguments online recently, and I've found these steps pretty useful in shutting people up. So, here's how you should go about debating right wing trolls online:

Step 0: If you have the means to do so, delete their comment/reply. There is no use debating them if you have control over who sees what they said. Sites like Youtube allow you to delete comments on your videos. There is no shame in doing so.

Step 0.5: If you aren’t mentally prepared to debate someone arguing in bad faith, let it be. It can be exhausting, and your mental health is worth more than some jerk online.

Step 1: Find out if they are operating on belief or emotion. Belief is inherently based in emotion, but many trolls are operating on a belief only in themselves. Like most bullies, the most common reason for this is because they are not doing well emotionally and choose to take it out on others. If the substance of their initial argument relies on personal attacks and insults, ask if they’re ok. Not only does it potentially throw them off if they were prepared for an actual argument, it extends a hand to them and offers help. It usually won’t result in anything other than them leaving the argument, but sometimes it can genuinely be a helpful moment in their struggles. However, if their initial argument relies mostly on beliefs and an “attempt” at a fact based debate, asking this question can come off as a personal attack and make you look worse in the long run, even if you explain what you were trying to do. If this is the case, move on to step 2.

Step 2: Remain calm and remember why you’re debating them. Do not get emotional, do not swear, and above all, attack their ideas, not their character. You are not trying to convince them of anything, it will not happen. You are trying to convince all the people on the fence who are reading your exchange, and shut them up as quickly as possibly. This will also come in handy later.

Step 3: Pay attention to their tactics. Innuendo Studios’ “The Alt Right Playbook” is a great way to familiarize yourself with these tactics. They are meant to steer you away from your winning argument and make you look worse. No amount of good faith arguing will make you look better after one of them has been deployed. Which is why you must…

Step 4: Attack their tactics. To most people, these tactics don’t seem very conductive to a good faith argument when they’re spelled out. Go through the flow of the conversation and explain what they’ve done to try and manipulate it in their favor. If you point out that they need to use backhanded tactics to make themselves look reasonable, all of their arguments are invalidated. To put it lightly, this does not make them look very good. If they aren’t using any of these tactics, move on to step 5.

Step 5: Attack their language. If they aren’t using any backhanded tactics, they are probably insulting you. Because you haven’t been emotional or insulted them, they know nothing about you. But you know something very important about them. They are a jerk. Use every one of their insults and personal attacks to build your case for why they’re being a jerk and a bully. Most people (especially the people you’re trying to convince) don’t respect the opinions of people like that. After steps 4 and 5, they should have no recourse other than to double down (in which case simply repeat steps 4 and 5 until they quickly get bored) or apologize and start acting like an adult.

Step 6: Congratulations. You have either got them to shut up, or you’re having an actual honest to god conversation with your opponent. If you’re in the latter camp, the good news is that the right has been encountering a problem for a long time that their opinions suck and are vastly unpopular. You have facts on your side. Good luck.